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thanu
11-17-2004, 05:39 PM
Why is everybody bashing Coria? Some people here say he has a bad attitude, but honestly, what player doesn't have a bad attitute besides Paradon and Younes El Aynaoui? Just about every tennis player I've seen b!tches about calls, and throws a tantrum like a 4 year old child. I remember one match where Sampras told an umpire "Don't you dare talk to me like that." John Mcenroe was 100 times worse than Coria, yet people still like him. Coria is my favorite player. His "gets" are amazing and his down the line backhand is second to none. He's the fastest player I've seen (yes, he seems faster than Hewitt to me). I like how he hits so many drop shots, no matter what surface he's playing on. Also, why are people talking as if he's a 2nd tier player? He's in the master's cup, even though he hasn't played a tournament in months. He had a good chance to beat Roddick in Miami if it weren't for kidney stones, and he played him tough in last year's masters. Beat Safin a few months ago.... I just don't get it. Maybe if he was an American people would like him? That's another thing I hate about tennis, too much nationalism. I remember Cliff Drysdale mention Paradon was Thai like 30 times during a set aganist Agassi at this year's Australian Open. When it's a Spanish player playing Roddick it's "The Spaniard vs the American." Why must every match be Davis cup like?

-Thanu

P.S - Maybe I should have posted the 2nd part of my rant in the rants and raves section. Oh well.

Zverev
11-17-2004, 06:08 PM
Yes, definitely, tennis should de-nationalised.
Because, really, it doesn't have nationality.
Also it's individual sport....I am just think of my favorate players...American, Russian, Australian, German....

As a matter of fact I have totally forgotten once that Haas was German, and then I heard him speak in German,
and that puzzled me for half a second...funny..

It's all these stupid officials, trying to put stars and stripes everywhere... jingoism..

VictorS.
11-17-2004, 06:28 PM
thanu, i totally agree. IThe only bad thing I can remember about Coria was the fact that early on in his career....he tested positive for a banned substance. Not sure if that was ever overturned or not. I believe he served a 6month ban for the offense. But I think he's an excellent talent...and is capable of doing some damage on surfaces other than clay. Of course, if guys like Safin and Federer are on their game, he really doesn't have a chance against those guys on hard...but who the heck does???

Shaolin
11-17-2004, 07:44 PM
Hes constantly pulling out of matches with injuries and seems perpetually hurt. Its like the guy is made out of balsa-wood. He does have an awesome backhand, but theres not much else to get excited about, IMO. He just seems like a little Hewitt with less power. Anyway, I dont exactly hate the guy, just not a fan.

tetsuo10
11-17-2004, 08:06 PM
Coria's strokes are awesome to watch. But I agree, he's constantly "hurt," which doesn't endear him to fans. Fans like to see player tough out injuries. I think he could use some bulking up in the legs.

K!ck5w3rvE
11-17-2004, 08:36 PM
French Open final.....he had Gaudio, then he starts sooking and playing 2yr olds tennis......for no good reason. He says he was injured, but he played well enough in the 5th set when it counted.

Type40
11-17-2004, 10:22 PM
I don't dislike coria, but to me he seems like a classic clay courter, and I always view clay spacialists in a different bag. THey are specialists, and somehow they don't seem to be bonafide greats because they can't play on hard courts or grass. Kuerten is another one. To me they don't really register. Just an opinion.
Sure to be controversial.

Marius_Hancu
11-17-2004, 10:31 PM
Coria's strokes are awesome to watch. But I agree, he's constantly "hurt," which doesn't endear him to fans. Fans like to see player tough out injuries. I think he could use some bulking up in the legs.

He's bulked up.

Strokes, movement and anticipation - amazing.
Character: reminds of Rios ... edgy and shifty.

BLiND
11-17-2004, 11:43 PM
I have no problem with Coria... I've seen a few matches of him, and I don't think he has a bad attitude.

I also seem to remember him (on clay) correcting the linesman, to give his opponant the point... thats doesn't happen very often.

He does seem however, very arrogant about his game... but maybe thats just his porsona, and not actually what he is like.

Actually I hate his girlfriend more than him... she just looks the cheap tart, after the money, but don't tell him I said that ;-)

rhubarb
11-18-2004, 12:59 AM
Actually I hate his girlfriend more than him... she just looks the cheap tart, after the money, but don't tell him I said that ;-)

His wife actually ;) - they were married just after Christmas last year.

BLiND
11-18-2004, 05:19 AM
no wonder she supports him so much.... 50% of all that prize-money ;-)

davey25
11-18-2004, 05:28 AM
I think people recognize Coria as one of the best, if not the best clay-court player in the world today. Nonetheless he has failed on several attempts to win the French Open. He can't be considered a serious threat on other surfaces, his run to the final as the Nasdaq nonwithstanding. The draw really opened up there and Gonzales choked in the semis.

Peter Samprer
11-18-2004, 07:03 AM
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:3y_Pn2-E3pkJ:www.eldebate.com.ar/2004/03/09/edinap11-12-fbreve-12TEN-ATP_ARGENTINA-CORIA-551.jpg

there goes my answer...lol!

@wright
11-18-2004, 07:13 AM
He should have been cast as an ork on lord of the rings...

pound cat
11-18-2004, 07:43 AM
Or Harry Potter for the Spanish speaking market???

larrhall
11-18-2004, 09:21 AM
Most the hatred for various pro players - Coria, Spadea, Rusedski, etc. - is a combination of hacker jealousy plus an acting out of the wannabe syndrome. Most posters at one phase or the other imagine themselves either on tour or somewhere close to it. When they wake up - and it's hard to do - then the next best thing is to assume you 'know' the pro players. So if the majority of pros, for example, appear to dislike Rusedski, and if Rusedski criticizes a Top Dog (one of my past favorites, Sampras), then he's a fair target. He moved from Canada to England, having a British mother, so that's proof that he's disloyal, etc., characteristics that most players and fans disapprove of. Spadea does childish or put-on routines, or perhaps it's just his sense of humor, so we all become experts in his personal life.

I suspect that in Coria's case - aside from what may be legitimate reasons to criticize him - lots of folks are jealous that a short skinny kid without 'weapons' aside from great speed and drive and very clever play - should be a Top 10 player. So it goes. Watch Gaudio or Massu in action and they throw temper tantrums way beyond anything I've seen from Coria...but he had terrible cramps in Paris, apparently, which many posters 'knew' was gamesmanship...and they 'knew' this because he'd had strange medical problems before (back). A match against Roddick in Miami comes to mind. And Roddick, a very popular player to many (not all by any means) seemed visibly unhappy with Coria, and so that seals it.

Well, he may be somewhat immature at times or get extremely nervous, but it's a real pity that tennis 'fans' can't see his tennis for what it is and take from it instead of playing the wolf pack.

Rickson
11-18-2004, 11:58 AM
Coria's a good player, but it really was selfish of him to play in the MC while he's still injured. Coria should have given up his spot to a healthy player.

AndyC
11-18-2004, 01:26 PM
I suspect that in Coria's case - aside from what may be legitimate reasons to criticize him - lots of folks are jealous that a short skinny kid without 'weapons' aside from great speed and drive and very clever play - should be a Top 10 player.

Those are exactly the reasons I love to watch Coria. He's very much a thinking man's player.

Peter Samprer
11-18-2004, 02:24 PM
a good player always get criticize. go coria!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39568000/jpg/_39568617_coria_getty_245.jpg

http://www2.uol.com.br/tenisbrasil/circuito/coria_capa.jpg

http://sports.fr/fr/tennis/images/fiches/coriaguillermo.jpg

Rabbit
11-21-2004, 07:29 AM
When they wake up - and it's hard to do - .

I agree wholeheartedly with Larry. Delusions abound on these boards. One of the wildest was a 50-something year self-rated 4.5 who made the statement that if he continued to work on his game the highest rating he could hope to achieve was 5.5. Now that statement was clearly made by someone who had no idea what constituted a 5.5 ranking. That statement proved how shallow some people's oar runs in the river of reality. We all have our dreams or delusions of grandeur.

I do disagree on one point. Criticizing a player is not exactly making a claim that one knows the player. Certainly my disdain for some political figures in this country does not come from first hand experience. If we all had to base our opinions only on first hand experience well there would be a lot fewer opinions in this world.

I also really don't like the word hate. Hate would imply that one has first hand knowledge or experience with one of the players and that player had given one reason to hate them. I haven't seen evidence on these boards that anyone hates Coria. Coria is very competitive, if I may be permitted the observation, but so are all the other top guys (once again an observation on my part not based in actually playing against them). But, I have never seen Coria employ overt gamesmanship. I can't say that for everyone in the professional game though.

But, there are some players you watch and they just plain seem more likable than other ones. Now this too is a personal observation not based on personal experience, but it appears to me that the personality of the player comes out more when they start playing senior events. While John McEnroe is still a turd, the other guys, Thomas Muster, Richard Krajicek, Jim Courier, Matts Wilander to name a few, seem to have fun on court and would be fun to tip a few back with. In short, they seemed to have lightened up a lot. I could be totally wrong, but hey, that's my opinion, and after all, isn't that what these boards are about....opnions?

larrhall
11-21-2004, 07:50 AM
You are a sad character, Rabbit. My post earlier referred to many mistakes, including my own. The statement about becoming a 5.5 was made several years ago. In fact I was forty-something and playing some good tennis at the time. I was hyped about the game and got carried away with enthusiasm. In fact I have posted probably 10 times since then confessing that I'd gotten carried away.

In any case, my posts are never about you until you attack me. Even in those cases, I mostly ignore you.

You don't like the word 'hate' but you are a hater, digging into wounds that are 4-5 years old and more.

larrhall
11-21-2004, 07:55 AM
Your ripping of Roddick, finding nothing good in him and ripping his game is a perfect example. I found things to criticize and things to praise, and when you posted, apparently quite sincerely, crowing that he might be done, you went ballistic when you were called on it. We who had read all your previous eviscerations of Roddick were 'crazy' - I knew that you used the word because I was one of your critics on that thread, and responded. My response was based on my perception of your character on these boards. It's based on years of you attacking me personally, all because I said, accurately, that your views on Volkls were to be taken with a 'grain of salt' due to your passion for the C10 Pro and your 'I know the Volkl guy' thing. My comment was gratuitous. I stated several times that had I known it would lead to you trying to annihilate me on the Boards, I would have left the issue alone. Good luck with your craziness, man, you have plenty of it, out 4.5 Mississipppi guy.

Rickson
11-21-2004, 07:56 AM
I don't hate Coria at all, I just hated his decision to play in the TMC this year while he wasn't fully recovered. I'm really pulling for Coria to make a good comeback, but it's important for him not to simply enter tourneys for the money, but to be ready and healthy for them.

Rabbit
11-21-2004, 09:11 AM
The statement about becoming a 5.5 was made several years ago. In fact I was forty-something and playing some good tennis at the time. I was hyped about the game and got carried away with enthusiasm. In fact I have posted probably 10 times since then confessing that I'd gotten carried away.


Was that you? Gosh, I had completely forgotten who to attribute that to. Ten posts confessing that you had gotten carried away? Looks like you've gotten carried away again, I defy you to show me these ten posts (or any number close). Come to think of it, I do remember telling you then that you didn't know what you were talking about and you getting really nasty. Hmmmmm seems I was right then?


Your ripping of Roddick, finding nothing good in him and ripping his game is a perfect example.

Once again, Larry, you've lied. I posted this on Roddick on the 19th of November.

Roddick's behavior and post-match comments have been winning me over as well. Even after losing the biggest final of his life at Wimbledon (it is still the premier Grand Slam), he was gracious. When asked about his "rivalry" with Federer, he said "I have to win a couple of these in order for it to be called a rivalry". I am also warming to his sense of humor. Calling a chair umpire "Captain Obvious" was great.


I hardly call that post ripping Roddick. I also have said very recently that IMO he's making a mistake trying to do too much S/V ala Lendl. But, you choose to paint those things as 'attacking' and mean-spirited. Like so many of your ilk, Larry anything that is said that disagrees with you is ripping. How can yours be simple, clean, constructive criticism and everybody else's be ripping?

And, let's clear the air here. My total distrust and dislike of you does not come from the incident you referred to. No, it comes from some vile e-mails you sent me (and others) and from the constant innuendo and veiled reference. And, who am I talking to here? Doc Racketts? Elvis Peawood? Biff Cardiff? Truth be told, your post referring to Rusedski et al had nothing to do with you. No, it was a pointed reference to my making fun of Rusedski. And since when did making fun of someone become hating? Is your sense of humor as small as your credibility?

Sorry to tell you this Larry, but you're nowhere near as smart as you think you are. And, if I could quote you here:

It's been my privilege to offer my comments and opinions on frames, lo, these many years. Now, like everything else, that time has come to an end.


You should really quit seeking the pathetic sympathy post begging you to stay. I'm not sure, but I think that is retirement number 39. Tell you what, Precious, you place nice and I'll play nice. But don't think that I can't tell when someone is ******* down my back all the while telling me it's raining.

Deuce
11-21-2004, 09:11 PM
I, too, seem to recall Larry 'retiring' from these very message boards just a few short weeks ago.

And a few short weeks before that.

And a few short weeks before that.

And a few short weeks before that.

And a few...

Well, y'all get the idea.

Larry - I've a simple question to ask you. A question which is quite legitimate, pertinent, and, I believe, fair. A question to which, I assure you, there are no strings attached. A question which I believe your public deserve an answer to; a question which, should you decide to answer it, will enable you to 'clear the air', and to let your true, honest motivation(s) be known; a question which offers you the chance to tell your side of the circumstance(s). A question which, most importantly, will allow you the opportunity to re-establish your credibility and to vindicate yourself against the ugly accusations laid against you:

Why do you so regularly and so often announce that you are leaving these message boards (I believe Rabbit's estimate of 39 times is perhaps somewhat excessive; I estimate 31 times myself), only to return following each and every such announcement and repeat the process?

Phil
11-21-2004, 09:25 PM
Rabbit wrote:

That statement proved how shallow some people's oar runs in the river of reality.

Simply a Rabbit Classic (TM). Poetic, even. Sorry guy, but I'm gonna have to steal that one for my arsenal. Just keep 'em coming!

@wright
11-22-2004, 06:17 AM
"a 50-something year self-rated 4.5 who made the statement that if he continued to work on his game the highest rating he could hope to achieve was 5.5."

I agree this was a somewhat absurd statement. We all know that with a little work, a 50 year old can easily play at the 6.0 level.

Rabbit
11-22-2004, 06:30 AM
Simply a Rabbit Classic (TM). Poetic, even. Sorry guy, but I'm gonna have to steal that one for my arsenal. Just keep 'em coming!

Phil, my friend, you are more than welcome to it. It is a Rabbitism, straight from the sick, demented mind that controls these ten fingers (rented though they may be) on this keyboard. For the record, Larry helped me with the sick, I added the demented on my own. 8)

Let me add that Larry has sent me an e-mail indicating, terse though it may be, that his comments about wannabes and the pros was not directed toward me. I interpreted the post as a slight to me since to my knowledge, I am the only one who points Greg Rusedski up as an object of ridicule. And, for the record, I stand by that ridicule because Greg deserves it. :)

Larry has indicated that it was self-effacing and directed more toward himself. If that's the case, then let me publicly apologize for any mis-statement that I may have made. Let me also add that in the future, if Larry makes what I consider pointed remarks, I am going to let them go. I will consider any such remarks made by Larry as self-effacing (for you younger members of the boards, that means directed at himself).

Now should Larry use the R-words (Rabbit or Robert for you younger members of the boards), or make any comment about the Magnolia state or people who live in the South in general, or left-handers I will take that personally and then the gloves are off.

Bertchel Banks
11-22-2004, 06:52 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with Larry. Delusions abound on these boards. One of the wildest was a 50-something year self-rated 4.5 who made the statement that if he continued to work on his game the highest rating he could hope to achieve was 5.5. Now that statement was clearly made by someone who had no idea what constituted a 5.5 ranking.

????

You are a sad character, Rabbit. My post earlier referred to many mistakes, including my own. The statement about becoming a 5.5 was made several years ago.

Oh

One of the wildest was a 50-something year self-rated 4.5 who made the statement that if he continued to work on his game the highest rating he could hope to achieve was 5.5.

ROTFLMAO!!