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perfmode
11-22-2004, 04:02 AM
How exactly does he get away with 1/2 volleying a one hander that's even better than Agassi's? It's unbelievable. Even Hewitt was saying that Fed is unbelieveable.

He hit a half volley backhand winner across court. Every other player in the world wouldn't make that shot, especially under the circumstances.

That's coming from the #2 player (right now) in the world.



How exactly does he get away with it? I can understand the FH side. He comes in at the ball relatively flat and hits through the ball but his BH side looks just like any other great one hander. What do you guys think? I'm just amazed. BB, maybe you can explain it a bit. You know a lot more about this than I do.

@wright
11-22-2004, 05:56 AM
Federer has impeccable timing. That is the thing that makes or breaks a half-volley. If you can time it right, you add power to your shots AND rob your opponent of valuable reaction time. He hits flat or with heavy spin off both sides, which helps keep his opponents guessing even more.

jun
11-22-2004, 05:59 AM
he recoginizes such balls really fast, very very good hands, and coordination...

it's pretty much talent, and years of practicing.

Rabbit
11-22-2004, 06:32 AM
I think it's just plain luck.

perfmode
11-22-2004, 06:48 AM
I think it's just plain luck.

I guess that makes Mirka the epitome of lady luck. He never misses.

Golden Retriever
11-22-2004, 07:12 AM
I think Federer probably knew where to hit the ball BEFORE the ball bounced and acted on it. That means he swings at the ball before the ball bounces. He is probably the only man in the world who can do that on a consistent basis.

Lambsscroll
11-22-2004, 07:22 AM
I think with his small grip and of course his talent, shots like this are possible.

He manipulates the ball with his wrist.

The tennis guy
11-22-2004, 08:02 AM
Anticipation, footwork, and hand-eye coordination.

perfmode
11-22-2004, 08:06 AM
I think Federer probably knew where to hit the ball BEFORE the ball bounced and acted on it. That means he swings at the ball before the ball bounces. He is probably the only man in the world who can do that on a consistent basis.

Yeah. His swing begins before the ball hits the ground on a regular basis.

gully
11-22-2004, 09:37 AM
Aside from footwork, and the lack of a natural slide, isn't this one of the reasons that Agassi won the French only once -- that the surface neutralizes, if only a little, his ability to hit a punishing short-hop ball?

For Federer, though, there are enough other weapons so that the lack of this one should not hurt him at Roland Garros. There, the difficulty may come from the great number of excellent specialists lurking in the draw and the difficulty of making the decisions about when, and how, to come in -- decisions that Sampras found difficult to make consistently (at least over a two-week period).

SliceServe
11-22-2004, 09:55 AM
Many of good responses:

Timing
Anticipation
Footwork
Hand-eye coordination

But your just looking at the technical reasons. Most important.... He has incredible CONFIDENCE in his strokes to be able to pull these shots off time and time again.

Safin utterly "blasted" many balls within inches of the baseline and Fed hit right through them and returned them deep with pace. This is one of the reasons why Fed is above and beyond the rest of the pack. You simply can not push him off the baseline regardless how deep and hard the ball is struck. This is the complete opposite match strategy of Roddick (15 feet behind the baseline during rallies) I'm sure there are many pro's in the top 50 that can pull this off in practice but lack the confidence to successfully pull it off in real match play. Aggasi was able to do it. McEnroe also picked the ball right off the court during baseline rallies but no where near the explosive power of Federer.

I got a kick when during the after match interview he mentioned that he came into this tournament "unprepared due to injury". So this is how he plays unprepared? Come on 2005. I want to see someone win the Grand Slam in my lifetime.

perfmode
11-22-2004, 10:07 AM
Many of good responses:

Timing
Anticipation
Footwork
Hand-eye coordination

But your just looking at the technical reasons. Most important.... He has incredible CONFIDENCE in his strokes to be able to pull these shots off time and time again.

Safin utterly "blasted" many balls within inches of the baseline and Fed hit right through them and returned them deep with pace. This is one of the reasons why Fed is above and beyond the rest of the pack. You simply can not push him off the baseline regardless how deep and hard the ball is struck. This is the complete opposite match strategy of Roddick (15 feet behind the baseline during rallies) I'm sure there are many pro's in the top 50 that can pull this off in practice but lack the confidence to successfully pull it off in real match play. Aggasi was able to do it. McEnroe also picked the ball right off the court during baseline rallies but no where near the explosive power of Federer.

I got a kick when during the after match interview he mentioned that he came into this tournament "unprepared due to injury". So this is how he plays unprepared? Come on 2005. I want to see someone win the Grand Slam in my lifetime.

Seriously. We all doubted him when we found out about his leg (thigh?) injury a few weeks ago but he amazed us once again. Maybe he's just a modest guy.

BreakPoint
11-22-2004, 11:27 AM
Federer uses his wrist a lot on his backhands and is able to roll over the ball on half-volley backhands, imparting quite a bit of topspin on the shot. He's able to hit successful crosscourt passing shots with this stroke because he robs his opponent of time in getting to the net by half-volleying the shot. The topspin then causes the ball to dip before his opponent is close enough to the net to make a good volley, making it extremely difficult for his opponent to even get their racquet on the passing shot. :shock:

JohnThomas1
11-22-2004, 11:37 AM
Unreal talent and timing.

Rickson
11-22-2004, 12:40 PM
How exactly does he get away with 1/2 volleying a one hander that's even better than Agassi's? It's unbelievable. Even Hewitt was saying that Fed is unbelieveable.

He hit a half volley backhand winner across court. Every other player in the world wouldn't make that shot, especially under the circumstances.

That's coming from the #2 player (right now) in the world.



How exactly does he get away with it? I can understand the FH side. He comes in at the ball relatively flat and hits through the ball but his BH side looks just like any other great one hander. What do you guys think? I'm just amazed. BB, maybe you can explain it a bit. You know a lot more about this than I do.
BB only posts in the tennis tips section so I don't think you'll get a response in this thread from him.

Datacipher
11-22-2004, 12:41 PM
Many of good responses:

Timing
Anticipation
Footwork
Hand-eye coordination

But your just looking at the technical reasons. Most important.... He has incredible CONFIDENCE in his strokes to be able to pull these shots off time and time again.

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Exactly SliceServe...exactly. Timing and confidence. Timing and confidence. Think about it Perfmode, you answered your own question...it's not mechanical magic on the backhand side....he does the same thing on forehand side. He does not have special tweaks on both sides that only he knows. The key is timing and timing comes from within. Someone also pointed out that Mac and Agassi did the same thing....so did Connors...you can't find a bigger variety of strokes than that group. They all new how to play great tennis though. That is a pervasive problem I always see in TW, in the instruction forum. The guys there dont' understand that the most important thing in tennis is not intellectually breaking down strokes. Great tennis doesn't come from this and in fact will be held back by this. Now, I like to do that purely out of tennis curiousity but with the understanding that if anything, my game will suffer if I try to do that on court.

Naturally great mechanics are invaluable. But great mechanics are natural. They happen automatically. That is where the ideal models came from in the 1st place. From great athletes doing the natural movements the human body was inheritantly designed for.