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MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
12-12-2007, 08:04 PM
Sources: Mitchell Report to name MVPs, All-Stars, won't address amphetamines

NEW YORK (AP) -- The Mitchell Report exposes a "serious drug culture within baseball, from top to bottom," fingers MVPs and All-Stars and calls for beefed-up testing by an outside agency to clean up the game, The Associated Press learned Wednesday.

The report by former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell will include names of 60 to 80 players linked to performance-enhancing substances and plenty more information that exposes "deep problems" afflicting the sport, one of two sources with knowledge of the findings told the AP. Both sources said the report would not address amphetamines.

The two sources were familiar with discussions that led to the final draft but did not want to be identified because it was confidential until its scheduled release on Thursday. They said the full report, which they had not read, totaled 304 pages plus exhibits.

One person familiar with the final version would only speak anonymously but described it as "a very thorough treatment of the subject" and said some aspects were surprising. He said the report assigns blame to both the commissioner's office and the players' union.

MLB's "not going to love it, the union's not going to love it," he said.

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The report comes at the end of a year when San Francisco Giants outfielder Barry Bonds broke the career home run record, only to be indicted three months later on charges of lying to a federal grand jury about steroid use.

One source said that while the report will cite problems "top to bottom," it also will expose "deep problems, the number of players, high-level MVPs and All-Stars," as well as clubhouse personnel who allowed steroids and other banned substances in clubhouses or knew about it and didn't say anything.

None of the player names had leaked out Wednesday night.

The rest of the report, the sources said, will focus on recommendations that include enhanced year-round testing and hiring a drug-testing company that uses the highest standards of independence and transparency. Baseball's program currently is overseen by a joint management-union Health Policy Advisory Committee, with an independent administrator approved by both sides.

The report also is expected to recommend that baseball develop a credible program to handle cases with evidence of athletes receiving or taking drugs but not testing positive for them.

Just last week, Kansas City's Jose Guillen and Baltimore's Jay Gibbons were suspended for the first 15 days of next season, and media reports said they had obtained human growth hormone in 2005, after baseball banned it.

Mitchell, a Boston Red Sox director, planned to release his report at 2 p.m. Thursday at a news conference in New York City.

Baseball commissioner Bud Selig will hold his own news conference 2 1/2 hours later.

Much of the first part of the report will be based on evidence obtained from former New York Mets clubhouse attendant Kirk Radomski, and from information gleaned from the Albany district attorney's investigation into illegal drug distribution that focused on Signature Pharmacy of Orlando, Fla., the sources said.

Radomski was required to cooperate with the investigation as a condition of his federal plea agreement last April. Radomski pleaded guilty to illegally distributing steroids, HGH, amphetamines and other drugs to players and is awaiting sentencing. Some professional athletes have been linked to the Signature probe, though none has been charged.

Rob Manfred, baseball's executive vice president of labor relations, reviewed at least part of the report this week to ensure no confidential information from the drug-testing program was disclosed, a person with knowledge of the union's discussion with Mitchell said, also on condition of anonymity.

Despite repeated requests by the players' association to Mitchell's law firm, the union had not been allowed to review the report, that person said.

"I certainly hope after 21 months and getting zip by way of cooperation from the players' association that they'll come up with some recommendations for improvement," said World Anti-Doping Agency chairman Dick Pound. "If not, it's a complete waste of time."

But he said he's not sure baseball would follow any recommendations.

"My guess is that the management side probably would, but the players' association will dig in and continue its steel-town union approach to life," he said.

Agents have said they expect the report to be highly critical of players and the union for largely refusing to cooperate with Mitchell.

Bob DuPuy, baseball's chief operating officer, sent an e-mail to owners and team presidents in advance of the report with instructions how to respond to media inquiries.

"We look forward to carefully reading the results of Sen. Mitchell's investigation," the recommended response said. "Protecting the integrity of our game is vital, and we intend to study his findings and recommendations, and will not comment until we have done so."

Baseball did not have an agreement to ban steroids until September 2002, did not have testing with penalties until 2004 and did not ban HGH until 2005, when it also instituted a suspension for a first positive test.

Mitchell was hired by Selig in March 2006 after the publication of "Game of Shadows," a book by two San Francisco Chronicle reporters about Bonds' alleged steroid use. The rise in power in the 1990s, which drew national attention when Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa chased Roger Maris' single-season record in the Great Home Run Race of 1998, was accompanied by a rise in suspicion.

Maris' record of 61 homers had stood since 1961, but McGwire hit 70 that year and Sosa had 66. During the chase, the AP reported McGwire had used androstenedione, a supplement then available over the counter that produced testosterone.

A bulked-up Bonds then shattered McGwire's record by hitting 73 homers in 2001.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-mitchellreport&prov=ap&type=lgns

AM28143
12-12-2007, 08:24 PM
I've heard rumors Andy Pettitte's name is on the list.

Also, since Mitchell recieved much of his info from a NY trainer, expect a lot of Yankees and Mets to be named.

Should be interesting, can't wait for 2 p.m.

tzinc
12-12-2007, 11:32 PM
I can't wait for this. If they name names based on hearsay and sources etc they better be ready to get their butts sued of for 1,000,000s of dollars. If they name someone and they have NO PROOF they are going to get litigated up the kazoo.

AM28143
12-13-2007, 06:35 AM
Looks like Clemens and Pettitte are both on the report.

irishcommodore15
12-13-2007, 06:39 AM
I heard on Mike & Mike in the Morning that "several prominent Yankees will be named. But no Mets player on the current team roster is going to be named."

norcal
12-13-2007, 07:55 AM
Here's what I'm hearing, we'll see how accurate the list is in a little while:

Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Rich Garces, Troy Glaus, Jason Grimsley, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.

Ronaldo
12-13-2007, 09:10 AM
Seems odd that list excludes two obvious names, Jon Kruk and David Wells both bulked up near the end of their careers. Where's Jose Lima time?

AM28143
12-13-2007, 09:21 AM
Seems odd that list excludes two obvious names, Jon Kruk and David Wells both bulked up near the end of their careers. Where's Jose Lima time?

I'm sure Mitchell will fail to indentify some.

norcal
12-13-2007, 09:28 AM
Keep in mind the players that tested positive were notified they were going to be tested. Imagine the number if they tested without letting the players know beforehand.

And that list is rumor, it's not official.

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
12-13-2007, 09:31 AM
We will have to wait for a few hours for the official list.

raiden031
12-13-2007, 09:32 AM
I got a few questions since I don't really follow baseball.

1) Was this list compiled as a result of one large recent test of players?

2) If not, then why would the many people on the list not already have been suspended previously due to their positive steroids test?

3) Are people on the list as a result of claims by others, or it just based on positive tests?

AM28143
12-13-2007, 09:33 AM
We will have to wait for a few hours for the official list.

It should be leaking to the media beforehand.

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
12-13-2007, 09:38 AM
It should be leaking to the media beforehand.

All morning on ESPN this is all they have been talking about, but Clemens and Andy Petite are the two big names so far...

Bonds,Sosa and McGwire doesn't surprise me at all.

AM28143
12-13-2007, 09:41 AM
The list will be released to the media at 1:45. Stay tuned.

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
12-13-2007, 09:45 AM
Here's what I'm hearing, we'll see how accurate the list is in a little while:

Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco DUH!!!, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Rich Garces, Troy Glaus, Jason Grimsley, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, :shock: Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, former RBI King, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, DUH!!, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols :cry:, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn or Mo, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.


This is a heavy list, and being that Darrlyl Kile and Ken Caminitti are both dead. I don't think it's fair to mention those players, because they can't even refute the accusations. Along with that, how will this new concrete revelation affect the MLB.

iradical18
12-13-2007, 09:45 AM
I can't wait, it's 10:47 PT and it should be on in a few minutes.

shintan17
12-13-2007, 09:48 AM
I am not surprised by the possible list above at all..

These guys are doing whatever it takes to hit the ball further and throw the ball faster with more accuracy.

I am pretty sure so many of them were on roids when they were not banned in 90's.

tricky
12-13-2007, 10:26 AM
This is a great, great day in baseball. Christmas came early this year! :D

Dodger talk: Some people are speculating that our former GM may have tried to trade out the guys who were believed within the clubhouse to take steroids. That include Lo Duca and Mota. But, obviously, you couldn't trade Gagne without causing a revolt from the fans, so he stayed.

ShooterMcMarco
12-13-2007, 10:34 AM
Wow Pujols and Pudge huh, I thought they were legit, so much for that idea.

tricky
12-13-2007, 10:43 AM
Oh and way to go ESPN running another speculatory article that the report was not going to show anything new. Well it did. This report is awesome. You got athletes writing checks to their steroid dealer.

NoBadMojo
12-13-2007, 10:46 AM
And people somehow seem to think that tennis is immune from players taking PED's?

Long ago there was a report that Pete Rose's son <who plays/played in the Minors> hooked up pretty much the whole team with some synthetic steroid...some chemical used to take barnacles of ships and such.

I say either ban and ENFORCE a no PED policy or just let them all take them as they like. At least the playing field would be equal and not <in part> about who has the better medicine cabinet.....better performance through chemistry.....baaah

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
12-13-2007, 10:46 AM
Now will some of these players that have significant impact on the history books, will their accomplishments be completely striped from the record books???

Bonds, Clemens, Mcgwire, Sosa??? :confused:

tricky
12-13-2007, 10:52 AM
It just reiterates what many sabremetric guys don't want to admit. Records (and therefore "sports history") don't mean as much as we want them to.

The problem isn't baseball's integrity (football abuses drugs far worse); it's that now baseball has to admit that its history is meaningless in evaluating the current generation. And baseball without history suddenly becomes just another sport.

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
12-13-2007, 10:54 AM
ESPN is giving an earfull, plus some visuals. :shock:

I am really disappointed by this, and for those that were quick to chastise Barry Bonds, it goes to show he isn't the only one that was shooting up. :cry:

Fernando Vina, Albert Pujols, Petite, Clemens, Tejada............................................ .................................................. .......................

Breaker
12-13-2007, 11:14 AM
Looks like Ken Griffey Jr. is one of the only locks for first ballot hall of fame now, he'll have over 650 home runs cleanly, probably one of the only guys in this generation who could say that.

Moose Malloy
12-13-2007, 11:18 AM
Well, at least we don't have to hear about the Patriots all the time for at least the next few days.

ShooterMcMarco
12-13-2007, 11:23 AM
Well, at least we don't have to hear about the Patriots all the time for at least the next few days.

QFT, yeah seriously its ridiculous how much exposure they get.

Ronaldo
12-13-2007, 11:26 AM
Well, at least we don't have to hear about the Patriots all the time for at least the next few days.

Hope they ground the Jets Sunday

Breaker
12-13-2007, 11:36 AM
Hope they ground the Jets Sunday

I'm thinking 65+ points for the Pats, but it's irrelavent since the Colts will destroy them in the AFC Championship.

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
12-13-2007, 11:39 AM
I'm thinking 65+ points for the Pats, but it's irrelavent since the Colts will destroy them in the AFC Championship.

The Pats won't lose to the Colts this time, the mistakes that the Pats made in their November meeting, they won't make again if they meet in the AFC championships.

Breaker
12-13-2007, 11:42 AM
The Pats won't lose to the Colts this time, the mistakes that the Pats made in their November meeting, they won't make again if they meet in the AFC championships.

Unless the Pats get a running game to play in the snow the Colts have a great chance, as long as Addai is used and they don't rely too heavily on Manning's arm, Peyton in snow in the playoffs doesn't bode well if he throws a lot.

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
12-13-2007, 11:45 AM
Unless the Pats get a running game to play in the snow the Colts have a great chance, as long as Addai is used and they don't rely too heavily on Manning's arm, Peyton in snow in the playoffs doesn't bode well if he throws a lot.

Your talking a lot of variables, that could come into play. But, as much as it hurts, I would have to agree... somewhat. :(

NoBadMojo
12-13-2007, 12:22 PM
Unless the Pats get a running game to play in the snow the Colts have a great chance, as long as Addai is used and they don't rely too heavily on Manning's arm, Peyton in snow in the playoffs doesn't bode well if he throws a lot.

I dont think anyone can beat the Pats unless Brady goes down. if he does, then lots of teams can beat the Pats. The Pats produced a whopping total of 22 rushing yards for the game vs the Steelers and it wasnt even a close game. So much for needing a running game in the NFL.

tricky
12-13-2007, 12:33 PM
Yeah, but the Colts cover 2 scheme will take advantage of the Pats not having a running game. They had the Pats for almost the entire game, plus a snowy Foxboro will not benefit this Pats offense like it has in previous years.

I'm picking the Colts upset to the Pats at Foxboro this year. Otherwise, yeah, nobody is beating the Pats this year.

Looks like Ken Griffey Jr. is one of the only locks for first ballot hall of fame now, he'll have over 650 home runs cleanly, probably one of the only guys in this generation who could say that.

Thing about this list is that it doesn't, in any way, absolve those who are not on it. The committee didn't have subpoena power, and George Mitchell has vested interested in the BoSox franchise. I think the only BoSox player that was listed was Gagne.

ShooterMcMarco
12-13-2007, 12:41 PM
Jason Veritek was listed too

AM28143
12-13-2007, 12:53 PM
Jason Veritek was listed too

No he wasn't

ShooterMcMarco
12-13-2007, 12:55 PM
Ok guess not, the list I saw must've been a rumored one

tricky
12-13-2007, 01:08 PM
Here's the official blackbook

http://deadspin.com/sports/the-official-list/the-complete-list-of-players-mentioned-in-the-mitchell-report-333634.php

edmondsm
12-13-2007, 01:10 PM
It's funny that Canseco's name is on there. Just a waste of ink. I was suprised that Mark McGuire's name was not on the list.

tricky
12-13-2007, 01:17 PM
I was suprised that Mark McGuire's name was not on the list.

The report itself wasn't really an inquiry into who exactly was taking steroids across the league. The committee didn't have the legal authority to make that kind of comprehensive investigation. Everybody who worked with them cooperated with Michell under their free will.

And that's the thing. Even without having the access it needed, it found THIS much.

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
12-13-2007, 01:47 PM
Chuck Knooblauch is on it too, who would have thunk his problems throwing to 1st base was because of steriods. :shock:

tricky
12-13-2007, 01:52 PM
Yeah, some of the names really surprised me. Chuck wasn't exactly a power hitter type.

Also, having David Justice up there is a little disturbing if you recall Halle Berry's charges of domestic abuse between them.