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Shahar26
12-15-2007, 11:07 AM
It really ****es me off when Hollywood takes a really good movie, and purely based on greed decide to make a sequel to it.

I know it's hard for studios to make money, not that many films end up making a profit, so when they have a movie that does well, they jump on the opportunity to make more money with #2 and #3.

I don't mind it so much when it fits the plot (and the end of the first one), but when you take a movie that had a perfectly good ending, and make a sequel that doesn't make any sense, you just leave a bad taste with the viewers.

1) Pirates of the Caribbean #2,#3 - I don't even know what to say.

2) Matrix #2,#3 - I didn't even bother with #3.

angharad
12-15-2007, 11:21 AM
I completely agree with POTC 2 and 3. The brilliant thing about the first one was that none of Jack Sparrow's mannerisms (and about half of his lines) were written in, but ad-libbed by Johnny Depp. After seeing the success of that, the writers tried to write the character that way, and it felt much more forced. The second was a mishmash of too-long action sequences and skewed folklore. I'll be honest and say that I didn't even bother seeing the third...I read the script online shortly before it came out and decided that it wasn't worth paying $10 or more to see it in a theatre.

Shahar26
12-15-2007, 11:26 AM
I'll be honest and say that I didn't even bother seeing the third...I read the script online shortly before it came out and decided that it wasn't worth paying $10 or more to see it in a theatre.

F**K the $10, I want those 2.5 hours back!!!!!

Hot Sauce
12-15-2007, 11:33 AM
Oh man don't even get me started about POTC 3. It was absolutely TERRIBLE!

richw76
12-15-2007, 11:38 AM
karate kid part 3 and 4. All the bat,mans before Batman beginning, the last one and every sequel in the 80's and 90's. Like waynes world, etc.

Bodacious DVT
12-15-2007, 11:42 AM
star wars I, II, & III
Ringu
Dumb & Dumberer

pretty much any sequel that was made because the first one did well.

SFrazeur
12-15-2007, 11:49 AM
Pirates of the Caribbean. The first one was great. Bright, funny, energetic. The sequels. . .er. Dead Man's Chest had some of the energy, and was fun in places, but over all it was too long, too little content. At Words End, is depressing. It lacks energy, it's just not fun, or thrilling. The first one is like the fun of a ride, the others were like waiting in line for the ride, but no pay off after.

I liked the Matrix, and I would have liked the sequels if it was done in one movie. But three is the magic number. What is wrong with a having a duology? I do not know.

Back to the Future, the first movie, is great. It still stands as fun and original, and thrilling. I liked the Part II for what it was trying to achieve, but I had a hard time caring. Part III. . .It has some fun, but it lacks having a real point to the overall arc.

As for the prequels to star wars. I did not like where it began. I much would have rather it started around the time that Episode II, or III did. Revenge of the Sith is the second best of the Star Wars movies.

#1 Empire Strikes Back (Duh)
#2 Revenge of the Sith
#3 New Hope (Star Wars, for the purists)
#4 Return of The Jedi (originally going to be called Revenge of The Jedi)

The Mummy was fun, campy but fun. Return of The Mummy. . .Return my 2 hours please.

-SF

ubel
12-15-2007, 12:06 PM
... I'm looking forward to the AVP sequel..

*puts on his flame-******ant jump suit*

Teh_pwnerer
12-15-2007, 12:21 PM
u crazY? all of star wars movies are worththe money.. 10 bucks its way to much tho, we pay 3,5 here for each movie:O

35ft6
12-15-2007, 12:34 PM
Really, it's more like "what were good sequels?" The default is sequels usually suck. It's often fun pointing out the exceptions, but when terrible sequels is overwhelmingly the norm?

Good sequels: Godfather 2... Indiana Jones 3... Empire Strikes Back... X-Men 2... Bourne Identity 2... Anal Debutantes 13

TheShaun
12-15-2007, 12:42 PM
slap shot 2 :( why did i think it was going to be a laugh?

richw76
12-15-2007, 12:45 PM
Really, it's more like "what were good sequels?" The default is sequels usually suck. It's often fun pointing out the exceptions, but when terrible sequels is overwhelmingly the norm?

Good sequels: Godfather 2... Indiana Jones 3... Empire Strikes Back... X-Men 2... Bourne Identity 2... Anal Debutantes 13

I agree on debutantes and anything that has A z z in the title.

But seriously I think Terminator 2 was better than the original, and Almost all the 007 movies were good, Oceans 12..... think that and what 35ft6 said is about it?

35ft6
12-15-2007, 12:50 PM
^ Casino Royale is the only Bond movie I've ever liked.

angharad
12-15-2007, 12:58 PM
But seriously I think Terminator 2 was better than the original, and Almost all the 007 movies were good, Oceans 12..... think that and what 35ft6 said is about it?

I thought Spiderman 2 was better than the first, but the third was pretty bad. Ocean's 12 was good as a standalone, as it was originally intended, but I didn't like it as a sequel to Ocean's 11.

Polaris
12-15-2007, 12:59 PM
Really, it's more like "what were good sequels?" The default is sequels usually suck. It's often fun pointing out the exceptions, but when terrible sequels is overwhelmingly the norm?

Good sequels: Godfather 2... Indiana Jones 3... Empire Strikes Back... X-Men 2... Bourne Identity 2... Anal Debutantes 13

More good sequels:
The Two Towers
Return of the King

Though, in a sense, they cannot be called sequels as they were shot at the same time, but released after gaps of one year each.

Freedom
12-15-2007, 01:12 PM
They're still sequels...they're the next bit of the story.

I think sequels rarely surpass the original. Empire Strikes Back is a good execption (over A New Hope.)

A.J. Sim
12-15-2007, 01:17 PM
Aside from Alien and Aliens, I didn't much care for Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection. Also, Terminator 3 was awful compared to the first two movies.

Just my .02

Tennis-Chris
12-15-2007, 01:22 PM
It really ****es me off when Hollywood takes a really good movie, and purely based on greed decide to make a sequel to it.

I know it's hard for studios to make money, not that many films end up making a profit, so when they have a movie that does well, they jump on the opportunity to make more money with #2 and #3.

I don't mind it so much when it fits the plot (and the end of the first one), but when you take a movie that had a perfectly good ending, and make a sequel that doesn't make any sense, you just leave a bad taste with the viewers.

1) Pirates of the Caribbean #2,#3 - I don't even know what to say.

2) Matrix #2,#3 - I didn't even bother with #3.

The only sequels I can think of that succeeded are from the Godfather. I. II and III are all exceptional movies that could stand alone on their own.:mrgreen:

Polaris
12-15-2007, 01:34 PM
... I'm looking forward to the AVP sequel..

*puts on his flame-******ant jump suit*

Damn you, ubel, you're a sadist :).

iradical18
12-15-2007, 01:37 PM
Four words: Son of the Mask. I didn't even watch it, but I know it's terrible.

GoochMoney
12-15-2007, 01:40 PM
Rambo...the one they are advertising now...c'mon Sly??? WTF...move on already!

richw76
12-15-2007, 01:49 PM
Aside from Alien and Aliens, I didn't much care for Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection. Also, Terminator 3 was awful compared to the first two movies.

Just my .02
That's the One I couldn't think of. I'd say Aliens was the ONLY sequel ever that was superior to the original.

Shahar26
12-15-2007, 01:50 PM
More good sequels:
The Two Towers
Return of the King

Though, in a sense, they cannot be called sequels as they were shot at the same time, but released after gaps of one year each.

Those are based on books, which for the most part, means they are good.

Much like Harry Potter, and Bourne trilogy, which I think are very good.

Breaker
12-15-2007, 01:51 PM
Super Babies, Baby Geniuses II.

Mainly because the first one shouldn't have been made, though I didn't see either.

drakulie
12-15-2007, 02:08 PM
Jaws 3
Amiityville horror 2 and 3
Friday the 13th, part 2 - 15??
Nightmare on elm street part 2 - 17??
halloween, part 2 - 27 ??
Back to the Future 2-3??
Rocky, 4-7??
Exorcist part 2, also the "prequels" (both of them sucked).

richw76
12-15-2007, 02:14 PM
Jaws 3
Amiityville horror 2 and 3
Friday the 13th, part 2 - 15??
Nightmare on elm street part 2 - 17??
halloween, part 2 - 27 ??
Back to the Future 2-3??
Rocky, 4-7??
Exorcist part 2, also the "prequels" (both of them sucked).

Common not Rocky, Rocky 4 was awesome. And the last Balboa one was ok. :-)

Rocky4 was a cold war parody of itself, which made it great.

drakulie
12-15-2007, 02:19 PM
^^ OK, fine! maybe I got a bit carried away. The Drago one was pretty good. "I must break you".

richw76
12-15-2007, 02:28 PM
^^ OK, fine! maybe I got a bit carried away. The Drago one was pretty good. "I must break you".

:-) More awesomely bad Rocky IV quotes.

"No, maybe I can't win, maybe the only thing I can do is just take everything he's got. But to beat me, he's gonna have to kill me, and to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me, and to do that, he's gotta be willing to die himself and I don't know if he's ready to do that. I don't know, I don't know."


"You see? You see? He's not a machine, he's a man, he's a man."
"He's not human. He's like a piece of iron. "


"If I can change, you can change, everybody can change!"

drakulie
12-15-2007, 02:32 PM
^^^ LOL. That's great!

You forgot one>>

Adrian shouts loudly>> "Rocky"!!!!

Leelord337
12-15-2007, 02:39 PM
Fast And the Furious 2 and 3. (Nothing compared to the 1st one. It started a movement to fixing up imports.)

All the Home Alone's without Mcully Culken.

hjminard
12-15-2007, 02:45 PM
My Top Five:

Porky's II
Godfather III
Star Wars: Episode I
Dumb and Dumberer
Staying Alive

richw76
12-15-2007, 02:55 PM
Fast And the Furious 2 and 3. (Nothing compared to the 1st one. It started a movement to fixing up imports.)

All the Home Alone's without Mcully Culken.

I agree about 2 and 3 sucking. The only reason to watch was for the cars. Some were incredible especially the american muscle

for the import/customization movement, Are you NUTS! I'm from Miami and when I was in HS in the early 90's the customization market was already Huge. The movie may have brought it to Utah, and Montana.

Bodacious DVT
12-15-2007, 03:46 PM
Fast And the Furious 2 and 3. (Nothing compared to the 1st one. It started a movement to fixing up imports.)

really? i agree with you that 2 sucked but I loved tokyo drift...

35ft6
12-15-2007, 05:17 PM
More good sequels:
The Two Towers
Return of the King

Though, in a sense, they cannot be called sequels as they were shot at the same time, but released after gaps of one year each. Yeah, I decided they weren't really sequels because they were shot at the same time, not because it's a continuation of the story, otherwise Empire and Return of Jedi wouldn't be sequels either.

Aliens is another great example. Two sites talking about great sequels:

http://www.epinions.com/content_2003738756

http://www.bullz-eye.com/mguide/features/2005/best_sequels.htm

Batman Begins is the best of the Batman movies, IMO. But, again, is it a sequel?

slice bh compliment
12-15-2007, 05:27 PM
I'm with you guys, sequels usually bite.
However, am I the only one who liked Wayne's World 2? Come on.

Oh, I saw parts of the filming of Bourne Identity. So I felt compelled to see it ... and I definitely liked it. Bourne Supremacy was really good, too, so I'd like to submit that to that very short list of sequels that were well made.

Definitely:
Godfather 2.
Rocky 2.
Empire Strikes Back.
Shrek 2.
Breakin' 2, Electric Boogaloo.

There are more, I'm sure. But yeah, you cats are right, the original is always better than the franchised, paycheck mongering second one.

Topaz
12-15-2007, 06:23 PM
^^ OK, fine! maybe I got a bit carried away. The Drago one was pretty good. "I must break you".

That one might actually be my favorite one...love the training montage of Rocky in what looks like Siberia while they cut away to shots of Drago and all his high tech training gadgets. Old school beats new school!

Freedom
12-15-2007, 06:37 PM
Transporter 2 was pretty awful...

Ditto for Shrek 2 & 3.

CanadianChic
12-15-2007, 08:19 PM
I dislike most sequels and remakes. The exception of this is Star Wars and Lord of the Rings (although I don't consider these to be sequels).

My most hated sequels:

Basic Instinct 2
Tremors (all)
American Pie (the band camp one)

Breakaz54z
12-15-2007, 08:34 PM
I agree about 2 and 3 sucking. The only reason to watch was for the cars. Some were incredible especially the american muscle

for the import/customization movement, Are you NUTS! I'm from Miami and when I was in HS in the early 90's the customization market was already Huge. The movie may have brought it to Utah, and Montana.

agreed, it was big in the north east area way before the first movie. plus they actually had substance and made the cars look nice. now.. i unno. it comes factory equipped with ground effects. wth is that :???:

ananda
12-15-2007, 08:44 PM
Did no one else like Jurassic Park II and III ?
I loved the sequels.

LOTR was actually written as one book looong ago, and broken into three for movies. Also, its not like the success of the first determined the next. They were shot together, as pointed out already.

But still, great sequels.


Did anyone see the one dozen sequels of Psycho ! Came on tv here, each worse than the previous.

SFrazeur
12-15-2007, 09:56 PM
I really liked the first Jurassic Park. I thought JPII was too long and lacked the connection with the characters to make me care if hey got scarped. I liked JPIII better; it was much shorter gave me the connection to care if they survived. The problem is the ending was too far over the top.

I thought LOTR was first a set of three books that were then put sold as one book. I sure that's it.

-SF

Leelord337
12-15-2007, 10:08 PM
agreed, it was big in the north east area way before the first movie. plus they actually had substance and made the cars look nice. now.. i unno. it comes factory equipped with ground effects. wth is that :???:

yeah, maybe so, but fast and the furious made the craze even bigger. suddenly people were driving lime green eclipses and orange supras.

ananda
12-15-2007, 10:48 PM
I thought LOTR was first a set of three books that were then put sold as one book. I sure that's it.

-SF

I can't honestly remember. Something about the war, and a shortage of paper so they printed it in three or something.

As far as JPII - i was at the edge of my seat almost throughout. And JPIII - with those birds -- freaks me out totally. I did not see it from the character angle as you have.

Heavy Metal Tennis Star
12-16-2007, 03:23 PM
Rambo...the one they are advertising now...c'mon Sly??? WTF...move on already!

thats not the 2nd genius, its rambo 4

Heavy Metal Tennis Star
12-16-2007, 03:24 PM
:-) More awesomely bad Rocky IV quotes.

"No, maybe I can't win, maybe the only thing I can do is just take everything he's got. But to beat me, he's gonna have to kill me, and to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me, and to do that, he's gotta be willing to die himself and I don't know if he's ready to do that. I don't know, I don't know."


"You see? You see? He's not a machine, he's a man, he's a man."
"He's not human. He's like a piece of iron. "


"If I can change, you can change, everybody can change!"

"If he dies, he dies!"

BeHappy
12-16-2007, 03:47 PM
GODFATHER III

the most noring peice of crap I have ever seen.

richw76
12-16-2007, 04:03 PM
yeah, maybe so, but fast and the furious made the craze even bigger. suddenly people were driving lime green eclipses and orange supras.

In Miami and Cali serious street customs were around since the late 80's early 90's. Anyone else remember the first customized supra's and those pickup trucks with the little 10'' rims, and Neon ground effects kits, with systems :-)

Also sport compact car magazine has been published since about 1990. I had a subscription which was about all I could afford on my sports authority wages. :-) I do agree that the fast and furious movies introduced the import tuner scene to my parents friends, and most of the mid west.

Rui
12-16-2007, 09:58 PM
Speed 2: Cruise Control was hideous.

richw76
12-17-2007, 08:55 AM
Speed 2: Cruise Control was hideous.

Wow, yeah I think we may have a winner. That movie was made from pure greed. So bad even Ted wouldn't be in it. Bogus! ;-)

And I know it's not a sequel but I think Hudson Hawk deserves an honorable mention.

Hudson Hawk and Speed 2 win the "Daddy gotta make a car note" award.

PimpMyGame
12-17-2007, 09:02 AM
Sister Act 2 - Back In The Habit

Dedans Penthouse
12-17-2007, 09:03 AM
The 2nd Paris Hilton film/video.

When she was asked why she was making a 'sequal' Paris explained: "I felt the first one left too many questions unanswered for the viewer." I found that answer curious, as I thought she covered all bases in the 1st one. :neutral:

on-topic: Caddyshack II (unbearable)

Polaris
01-07-2008, 09:50 PM
I thought LOTR was first a set of three books that were then put sold as one book. I sure that's it.-SF
Yes, it was a set of three books. It still is. It is only occasionally sold as a combined novel.

In my mind, I include The Hobbit inside LOTR though the writing style is quite different. I would also include the numerous appendices and the summary from The Silmarillion inside LOTR. I am an LOTR nerd :) .

timeisonmyside
01-07-2008, 10:07 PM
Yes, it was a set of three books. It still is. It is only occasionally sold as a combined novel.

In my mind, I include The Hobbit inside LOTR though the writing style is quite different. I would also include the numerous appendices and the summary from The Silmarillion inside LOTR. I am an LOTR nerd :) .

Also a LOTR nerd, and I think a movie based on the Silmarillion would be pretty cool.

I agree LOTR can't really be counted as a sequel because they were pretty much all thought out as one coherent story. In contradistinction to something like The Fast and the Furious where it was more like "Gee, the first one made loads of $$$, so we'll try to milk this cow dry."

Jurassic Park I was the best IMO, but all they needed were some badass dinosaurs and I would have watched.

I liked Ocean's 12 better than Ocean's 11.

timeisonmyside
01-07-2008, 10:56 PM
On second thought, The Silmarillion wouldn't make a good movie. Too many stories over too long a period of time.

tzinc
01-07-2008, 11:01 PM
I think you can get a good sequel Aliens, Terminator 2, Godfather 2, Spiderman 2, X2 sometimes - but only 1 - the third film is always terrible :

Spiderman 3
X3
Godfather 3

etc...

LOTR and Star Wars were always thought of and planned as 3 movies so they don't really count in terms of the 2nd Sequel sucking.

-Kap-
01-08-2008, 12:15 PM
Wow, I'm surprised to read that a few considered Ocean's 12 to be good. I found it to be so utterly forgettable, and one of the few things that I do remember is walking away thinking that it stunk. Heh. The most laughable part (and I don't mean that in a good way) is when they had Julia Roberts' character, Tess, impersonate Julia Roberts because, coincidentally, she "looked just like her!"

It had an all-star cast, but it seriously needed a scriptwriter. To its credit, though, it did feature Nikkfurie's "Thé à la Menthe" in the laser grid scene, and that's a mighty fine piece of music. 8)

Doc Hollidae
01-08-2008, 12:25 PM
Aliens Vs. Predator: Requiem

forzainter
01-08-2008, 12:26 PM
I think you can get a good sequel Aliens, Terminator 2, Godfather 2, Spiderman 2, X2 sometimes - but only 1 - the third film is always terrible :

Spiderman 3
X3
Godfather 3

etc...

LOTR and Star Wars were always thought of and planned as 3 movies so they don't really count in terms of the 2nd Sequel sucking.

Third always terrible? Last Crusade anyone? Best Indy film.....so far :D ;)

TheJRK
01-08-2008, 12:29 PM
Mac and Me.

I know it's not a sequel, but it really is the worst movie ever made. I throw up in my mouth whenever I say those three words (in that order).

Here's the link for those of you who have tried to erase this abomination from your memories.* http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095560/

*I apologize to those of you that will subsequently gouge your eyes out after looking at this.

shwetty[tennis]balls
01-08-2008, 12:38 PM
National Treasure sequel sucks *****!

angharad
01-08-2008, 12:48 PM
Yes, it was a set of three books. It still is. It is only occasionally sold as a combined novel.

I believe it was written as one novel, but broken up into 3 separate publications, each containing two books, due to paper shortages.

noobplayer
01-08-2008, 06:20 PM
im surprised no1 mentioned police academy, went up to 7 didnt they?

BackInTheGame
01-08-2008, 06:41 PM
I can't believe nobody's mentioned the worst sequel of all time yet. The king of all awful sequels. Caddyshack 2.

rightytopspin79
01-09-2008, 09:44 AM
Spider man 2 and 3.....

Rocky whatever the hell the number it was!