Jr. Orange Bowl

[NebAce1]

Is anyone playing?

and did u guys see the seeds. they're a joke. Harrison isn't seeded, and he's probably one of the best in the tournament.

[BradBaughman]

which harrison havent looked yet?

[NebAce1]

which harrison havent looked yet?

christian.

[10isDad]

Seeding should be fairly unbiased and based on several factors: world ranking, national ranking and recent results and is likely done by computer.

#1 seed Fernandes doesn't have an ITF ranking, but that's not surprising as only 18 & under events count for points. Players playing 16s or 14s do not earn ITF points. However, Fernandes easily won the 14s Eddie Herr (2 & 1 over Spencer Newman and losing only 17 games total in 6 matches!) and just got to the quarterfinals of the Prince Cup in the 18s.

Events that are 16s and 14s are not officially ITF events, even if they follow all the guidelines/rules from the ITF. From the USTA Player Development website:
While some ITF tournaments hold events in the 16s, 14s, and 12s divisions, these tournaments are technically not ITF tournaments and earn no ITF points, but have been sanctioned by the Section in which the tournaments are held. These include the Orange Bowl, the Eddie Herr, The Kentucky Derby, and the USTA International Spring Championships.

As for Harrison, his status of being unseeded likely stems from the fact that he doesn't play that many USTA events any more so his USTA national ranking is slightly lower than perhaps it could be. He's been playing ITF events (18s), so may not have as good a win-loss record as some of the other players who are playing regional tournaments

[NebAce1]

Seeding should be fairly unbiased and based on several factors: world ranking, national ranking and recent results and is likely done by computer.

#1 seed Fernandes doesn't have an ITF ranking, but that's not surprising as only 18 & under events count for points. Players playing 16s or 14s do not earn ITF points. However, Fernandes easily won the 14s Eddie Herr (2 & 1 over Spencer Newman and losing only 17 games total in 6 matches!) and just got to the quarterfinals of the Prince Cup in the 18s.

Events that are 16s and 14s are not officially ITF events, even if they follow all the guidelines/rules from the ITF. From the USTA Player Development website:


As for Harrison, his status of being unseeded likely stems from the fact that he doesn't play that many USTA events any more so his USTA national ranking is slightly lower than perhaps it could be. He's been playing ITF events (18s), so may not have as good a win-loss record as some of the other players who are playing regional tournaments

Yea i know what your saying. It kind of sucks though for whatever seed gets christian first, because i think he's definitely one of the best in the tournament.

[10isDad]

Yea i know what your saying. It kind of sucks though for whatever seed gets christian first, because i think he's definitely one of the best in the tournament.

Actually - kinda sucks for Harrison because if he wins his first match he gets the #1 seed...

[dr_punk]

I've seen some of the competitors play around my courts. Which is funny because It's kinda far from where I'm at

[NebAce1]

Actually - kinda sucks for Harrison because if he wins his first match he gets the #1 seed...

wow i didn't see that, that does really suck for him. Have you ever seen Fernandes play? How is he? It seems like it should be a really good match.

[BradBaughman]

Actually - kinda sucks for Harrison because if he wins his first match he gets the #1 seed...

hey 10s dad i read that the harrisons (plural) signed with Img ,would that be both or just Ryan it seemed to imply both! then it spoke more about ryan

[NebAce1]

hey 10s dad i read that the harrisons (plural) signed with Img ,would that be both or just Ryan it seemed to imply both! then it spoke more about ryan

both of them signed with img.

[babolatking]

i thought they went to John Newcomb?? ur are u talking about the agency not bolleterris

[10isDad]

i thought they went to John Newcomb?? ur are u talking about the agency not bolleterris

They signed with IMG to represent them 'professionally'. As far as I know, they will continue to train at Newk's with their father as their main coach.

[BradBaughman]

im suprized they signed both at the same time!!

[feyya]

i think signing may be rushing a little bit for harrisons sake. just my 2 cents

[dropper55]

Tiago Fernandez d. christian Harrison 63 60... earlier today . Maybe the seeds wasn`t so bad at all.....

[NebAce1]

Tiago Fernandez d. christian Harrison 63 60... earlier today . Maybe the seeds wasn`t so bad at all.....

Wow your right. This Fernandes kid must be good, anyone have any details on his game?

[dropper55]

[QUOTE=NebAce1;1946687]Wow your right. This Fernandes kid must be good, anyone have any details on his game?[/QUOTE

just to ilustrate what seems to happen ...remember an 80`s song from Aussie group "Men at Work" the lirycs said something like ....."I met a man from Brazil, six foot tall and full of muscles "...that is Fernandes!!!..
Until now playing 12U ,no probl for Christian ,
BUT from 14U, 16U and so on ,size and strenght counts !! i read also that this kid fernandez is playing quite well, deep, good serve ,few unf.errors( C. Harrison is only 13 y.o and he`s not tall i dont know his actual size)...

[BradBaughman]

Tiago Fernandez d. christian Harrison 63 60... earlier today . Maybe the seeds wasn`t so bad at all.....

i saw that coming christians has a nice game he plays very well and agressive ,but right now hes lacking the size ,and in tennis size is a nice bonus,

hes gonna have trouble playing up on a consistant basis he will do well for 1or 2 rounds but will waiste a lot of energy playing up against boys that dont have to move as much, they reserve a lot of energy for deeper in the tourny,he will lack that bonus!

[BradBaughman]

[QUOTE=NebAce1;1946687]Wow your right. This Fernandes kid must be good, anyone have any details on his game?[/QUOTE

just to ilustrate what seems to happen ...remember an 80`s song from Aussie group "Men at Work" the lirycs said something like ....."I met a man from Brazil, six foot tall and full of muscles "...that is Fernandes!!!..
Until now playing 12U ,no probl for Christian ,
BUT from 14U, 16U and so on ,size and strenght counts !! i read also that this kid fernandez is playing quite well, deep, good serve ,few unf.errors( C. Harrison is only 13 y.o and he`s not tall i dont know his actual size)...

my sons 5'5 1/2 at 11yrs old he was standing next to christian he was probably 5'0 -5'1 ,, he could have a late growth spurt and bloom up around 17yrs old, it happen to me i was 5'3 through high school and hit 5'10 right out of HS

[10isDad]

There's a decent picture of Fernandes at the EddieHerr website. He's standing next to the tournament director, who I'd guess is around 5' 9", and appears to be a good 4 inches taller. Spencer Newman is on the other side of the TD and it appears Newman isn't even up to Fernandes shoulders.

Christian, as talented as he is, is probably only about 5' 3", so he's about 10 inches shorter than Fernandes...

[onehandbh]

[QUOTE=dropper55;1947700]

my sons 5'5 1/2 at 11yrs old he was standing next to christian he was probably 5'0 -5'1 ,, he could have a late growth spurt and bloom up around 17yrs old, it happen to me i was 5'3 through high school and hit 5'10 right out of HS

I had a growth spurt as well. Was 5'3" at the end of my freshman
year. Grew to 5'9" by the end of the summer. Then slowly grew another
3 inches.

[10isDad]

Wow your right. This Fernandes kid must be good, anyone have any details on his game?

No details on his game, but some research shows he's got some real talent:

Dec 2007 B18 Sgles Quarterfinalist, Prince Cup, Miami FL, USA, ITF G4
Dec 2007 B14 Dbles Winner (with Vitor Galvao BRA), Prince Cup, Miami, FL USA, USTA Int'l Event
Nov 2007 B14 Dbles Winner (with Diego Hidalgo ECU), 20th Eddie Herr, Bradenton, FL, USA, USTA Int'l Event
Nov 2007 B14 Sgles Winner, 20th Eddie Herr, Bradenton, FL, USA, USTA Int'l Event
Aug 2007 B14 6th place team Brazil, 2007 World Junior Tennis, Prostejov, Czech Republic
Jul 2007 B14 Dbles Semifinalist (with Franco Gabriel Agamenone ARG), Rheinenergie Tennis Cup, Koln, Germany, ETA C1
Jul 2007 B14 Sgles Winner, Rheinenergie Tennis Cup, Koln, Germany, ETA C1
Jul 2007 B14 Sgles Semifinalist, 13-14 des Hauts de Seine, Rueil-Malmaison, France, ETA C2
Jul 2007 B14 Dbles Winner (with Franco Gabriel Agamenone ARG), BNP Paribas Cup, Paris, France, ETA C1
Mar 2007 B14 Dbles Winner (with Matheus Costa BRA), Copa Gerdau, Brazil, COSAT
Feb 2007 B14 Sgles Semifinalist, Uruguay Bowl, Montevideo, Uruguay, COSAT
Feb 2007 B14 Sgles Winner, Argentina Cup, Argentina, COSAT
Jan 2007 B14 Dbles Winner (with Matheus Costa BRA), Copa Milo Guayaquil Bowl, Ecuador, COSAT
Jan 2007 B14 Sgles Winner, Copa Milo Guayaquil Bowl, Ecuador, ITF G2
Jan 2007 B14 Sgles Finalist, Copa Indervalle, Cali, Colombia, COSAT
Jan 2007 B14 Dbles Winner (with Matheus Costa BRA), Copa Nissan, Valencia, VEN , COSAT
Oct 2006 B14 Sgles Finalist, XXIV Bahia Open, Borto Seguro, BRA, COSAT
Oct 2006 B14 Dbles Winner (with Matheus Costa BRA), XXIV Bahia Open, Borto Seguro, BRA, COSAT
Oct 2006 B14 Sgles Winner, 2006 Till Tennis Cup , Londrina, Brazil, COSAT

[dropper55]

No doubt Christian harrison is a talented player ...lets bet hes gonna get taller and stronger in a few years ...
Back into the tournament , seems like favorites are among: Fernandez , Emmet Egger or spencer Newman from USA and the kid who beats Mika de Coster and B. Fratangelo quite easy ...Diego Hidalgo (ECU) he won also Prince Cup and Eddie Herr doubles....lets see..

[BradBaughman]

this fernandez isnt wasting much energy so more then likely unless he is challenged with a tough couple of matches ,, hes obviusly to big and to strong for the field from what ive read!!! (size is a bonus) as for the 12s i think digulio has the best game suited for the 12s to win it!! most kids are not strong enough to hit him off the court nor can they power their way through him at this time they are all to small still!!

[mrmo1115]

he last to vinsant