Official thread for the USTA National Winter Championships 12s and 14s in Tuscon, AZ

[EasternRocks]

Anyone playing Winter nationals, 12s and 14s?

[GRANITECHIEF]

Granitechief Jr. is playing the 12's and then the Copper Bowl.

[BradBaughman]

we made it in we needed help though "WC" were just not accomplished enough as a player yet to qualify in the 12s !!

[10isDad]

we made it in we needed help though "WC" were just not accomplished enough as a player yet to qualify in the 12s !!

It has not as much to do with being accomplished as you might think. Your kid might be one of the better players there, but if he hasn't played enough tournaments he won't have the points to either qualify through endorsement or remaining vacancies. I know several fabulous players in various age divisions who are on the alternate list, mainly because they travel relatively little, therefore don't have near as many national points.

Unfortunately, it often takes one or more of the following:

1. $$$$$ to travel around and play tourneys counting for national points

2. Already in a location where several national tournaments exist (and have the necessary local/regional tournament points to get you into the tournament); which again means having the financial resources to play the tournaments.

Think of people in somewhere like Des Moines, Iowa. Looks like they have a total of 9 local tournaments in that city for the entire year - only 6 of which are open to all sex/age groups. All other sectional tournaments would require travel, which means gas, hotel, food, etc.

There are a big fat zero national-level junior tournaments in the entire state of Iowa, so any aspiring player who wants to get into national tournaments MUST travel.

You at least have the advantage of living in a general area that has tons of tournaments including some national-level events. According to Tennisinformation dot com, there were 348 SoCal tournaments for the boys 12s in 2007.

[BradBaughman]

It has not as much to do with being accomplished as you might think. Your kid might be one of the better players there, but if he hasn't played enough tournaments he won't have the points to either qualify through endorsement or remaining vacancies. I know several fabulous players in various age divisions who are on the alternate list, mainly because they travel relatively little, therefore don't have near as many national points.

Unfortunately, it often takes one or more of the following:

1. $$$$$ to travel around and play tourneys counting for national points

2. Already in a location where several national tournaments exist (and have the necessary local/regional tournament points to get you into the tournament); which again means having the financial resources to play the tournaments.

Think of people in somewhere like Des Moines, Iowa. Looks like they have a total of 9 local tournaments in that city for the entire year - only 6 of which are open to all sex/age groups. All other sectional tournaments would require travel, which means gas, hotel, food, etc.

There are a big fat zero national-level junior tournaments in the entire state of Iowa, so any aspiring player who wants to get into national tournaments MUST travel.

You at least have the advantage of living in a general area that has tons of tournaments including some national-level events. According to Tennisinformation dot com, there were 348 SoCal tournaments for the boys 12s in 2007.

we were told after the wc was given to us that he had qualified for the 16s ,much rather of played that level then the 12's would have been nice to compete up against the best 16's

[MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER]

Put down the crack pipe and re-read the list of 16s entered. You are really getting embarrassing.

You write in the first person over and over, (ask someone at the library what that means), as if you are trotting out there instead of sitting in your picnic web chair against the fence....

These are a collection of the best 16 and 3/4 year old players NATIONALLY - "We" would get not just beat down but bageled, and depending on the player's temperment, maybe hurt for bothering them during an important tournament.

[tenniscrazed]

Put down the crack pipe and re-read the list of 16s entered. You are really getting embarrassing.

You write in the first person over and over, (ask someone at the library what that means), as if you are trotting out there instead of sitting in your picnic web chair against the fence....

These are a collection of the best 16 and 3/4 year old players NATIONALLY - "We" would get not just beat down but bageled, and depending on the player's temperment, maybe hurt for bothering them during an important tournament.

You just had to sucker me into this didn't you? Well then so be it. By the way lil BB I think you will note Deiton was an "endorsed" player meaning that you played in the correct tourney's during the year to be "endorsed" to play the 16s not qualified to play. Only the top 128 ranked 16 with a smattering of a top 14 year old getting a wild card. Which brings an interesting point. How many kids are playing tennis so how "special" can any one of them really be.

Look at it this way 12's - 18's X 128 = 512 just this tourney. Heaven knows how many great players aren't going for various reasons in various age divisions. Multiply this equation by the number of countries that play tennis and you've got better odds hitting the big one at a Vegas casino.

BTW; Mighty we're still laughing 2 hours later. Well done

[BradBaughman]

trust me he would have held his own if he made it in! youve got to remember he would have been playing kids that have guys like you for parents rocket scientist and ex pros ya sure you are lololol !! anyways deiton would face kids raised by guys like you!! remember we allways show and when the invitaion was out for you the pro couldnt find his racquet and the rocket guy was selling missle to another country okkk lololo ,anyways if you two ever develope anything worthy of placing on the court with deiton im sure you guys can stalk us down!!!

btw mighty big mouth get a hold of Tennys Sandegren and ask him how "he thinks" deiton would do ?? oh wait tenniscraze your the one who knows how to track people down you get a hold of him! now you ladies go do your home work!! hey mighty tennis will need help with this project its homework!!

[MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER]

Best of luck in whatever-its-named-200x- children's tournament.

You know, I have to laugh when I see fields of such serious faced, life and death competitors who haven't really grown into their shoe sizes yet; And then I reflect (esp. around this time of year) when I compare them with kids I had seen just days before in places where the kids have no shoes, or maybe one foot. :oops:
Rocket guy= kind of like Rod Laver, you ol' name dropper, Thanks.

Like I said be careful of the major intersections- look twice, While our local brand of illegals are mostly Church raised and family oriented (not too many killer gangs) they don't have the best grasp of traffic signals, littering or public civility or manners (like waiting in line).

The "don't go there" area in town is mostly south and west, There is no reason to be south of 22nd Street and west of Tucson Blvd. at night- unless you are just looking for trouble. There are men around there who do not sleep until they have done evil.

Tried a new really cheap pizza that opened all over town recently- Hungry Howies, no bad and a Medium for @ $5.50 I don't know how. University area is clean and a little eclectic, If the University is open watch where you park if you go there, rabid parking ticket enforcement and towing.

Have your strings done on site (or bring your stringer) no shops in town will do them much cheaper- There are no really big or interesting tennis stores in town, rows of the latest stuff- types, those are pretty much up in Phoenix.

Tucson has a very large airplane museum by the airport if you are into that sort of thing- but frankly, a drive around the fence of Davis-Monthan AFB (for free) and you will see the largest collection of "stored" war planes on earth because of our dry weather: F-14s, F-15s, C-130s, old Phantoms from Viet Nam being retrofitted into pilotless target drones- row on row of many others all on display with windows shrink wrapped, in case they ever get that many pilots in uniform again.

Tucson also has one of the old missile silos open for tours in Green Valley (south of Tucson).
There is one of the oldest Missions in the Western chain down there as well, I may just have to swing by and remind myself of a couple things that may be just a little more important this coming "tennis season".

Happy Holidays.

[BradBaughman]

well knowing rockets you should never underestimate the size of the payload ,,allthough its small it can do some seirous damage ,,its all about how its built and who builds it !!!

thanx for the tip on the airplane museum my son studys aircraft all the time ill take him there !!If he joins the IDF at 18 i would much rather him in the air then on the ground!!

to all who have spent couuntless hours shopping this season have fun the morning of the 25th

[BradBaughman]

Put down the crack pipe and re-read the list of 16s entered. You are really getting embarrassing.

You write in the first person over and over, (ask someone at the library what that means), as if you are trotting out there instead of sitting in your picnic web chair against the fence....

These are a collection of the best 16 and 3/4 year old players NATIONALLY - "We" would get not just beat down but bageled, and depending on the player's temperment, maybe hurt for bothering them during an important tournament.

now i have time to educate the uneducated the "PHARiSEE" the mighty big mouth!!

when deiton goes to practise "we" go together ,"we" drive in the car together,"we" enter the court together,"we" walk on the court together, i feed the balls to him this is something "we" do together,

when deiton enters a tournament he picks the tournament i pay "we" do this together!!, then "we" drive there together ,"we" find a court and "we" warm him up! ,once again "WE" do this together its teamwork!!

when the match starts i study what's going on in the match ,if they split sets "we" talk about what needs to be done to finish the match, "we" have this talk between the 2nd an 3rd set , once again this talk is a talk "WE" have,

what "we" do is something you wouldnt understand its teamwork "we" do this all the time hes my son and "we" have something ""your kids could only dream of you providing a dad who is involved with them and loves them"", my son and i "WE" have a great relationship "We" have a great team,

and every time he steps on the court "we" are very involved cause of all the work "we" have put in together!!

i may be on a crack pipe but your a complete "NITWIT" next time you decide to tell me something do all of us a favor just keep your comments to your self till your can give and educated definition on a word like "WE",,now move along and go FRY some fish or sell some sky rockets to some kids as an early 4th of july gift .

[BradBaughman]

to the rest of the thread im sorry for responding and taking up space dealing with a rebuttle to this dimwit!!

[EasternRocks]

Im playing the 12s Winter Nats and Copper Bowl.

Im going to spread my identity - Douglas Mo

[ace92]

1993 is probably one of the worst years ever

[Katlion]

1993 is probably one of the worst years ever
why?

10 char

[mrmo1115]

why?

10 char



second!

10 char

[MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER]

My, but WE certainly have our panties tied in a knot, don't we?

By the way handed some of your rantings to an old pal who is a family counselor, he says you definitely need a hobby...

[easternplayer99]

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[NebAce1]

yea 1993's a tough year.

[jaZZirat]

to the rest of the thread im sorry for responding and taking up space dealing with a rebuttle to this dimwit!!

seems to be more and more of these rebuttles comming from you. Could it be that people are just getting sick and tired of hearing the same thing from you. Ive been in this game for a long time and Ive yet to ever meet such a self promoting parent. Granted Ive known a few that came close but I dont usually know them long after they find a new coach which it seems they are always doing then are gone from my life. I learned long ago to just keep taking their money and ignoring them while they are in the sport because their kid burns usually burns out in the end. its to bad since some of the kid have true potential. I appreciate you Dads because thats where my money comes from and I will even help stroke your ego while you are handing me money But truth be known I detest you. In the end you will be gone and Ill still be here. I guess we could get rid of you earlier on this forum though. If the mods would just censor or ban the name Deiton. Maybe thats not the word that should be banned maybe it should be "we". either way it doesnt matter if you cant talk about yourself or your kid then you wouldnt have anything to talk about at all.

To all you psychic's out there...

I've been told my son it the next Sampras and Federer, ya right, Big Whoopty! If he has me sitting on a yacht in 10 years then I'll believe those people, if not I'll love him all the same. So mellow out everyone.

I guess your already believing it now huh? You were self promoting from the gitgo but dude youve just become obsessed with it to the point that most people cant stand you anymore.

I wish your kid nothing but the very best as I would all children in this sport. Maybe he has the true potential and drive that coaches such as myself are inspired to teach. But as to his future potential or reaching the upper echelon I see a parent like you becoming his biggest obstacle. Be very carefull. His teenage years are comming and the child that adores you now well lets just say you wouldnt believe me. youll learn on your own.

[BradBaughman]

My, but WE certainly have our panties tied in a knot, don't we?

By the way handed some of your rantings to an old pal who is a family counselor, he says you definitely need a hobby...

your running to family counselors for advise on how to answer me ..i guess if your there trying to fix your broken family, its kinda smart to try and get help on how to answer me when your there, two issues for the price of one!!

i really didnt figure i was that important to you that you would bring me up during your sessions hope those are going well for you and your family,cant stand knowing there are troubled family out there, best wishes!!

[BradBaughman]

seems to be more and more of these rebuttles comming from you. Could it be that people are just getting sick and tired of hearing the same thing from you. Ive been in this game for a long time and Ive yet to ever meet such a self promoting parent. Granted Ive known a few that came close but I dont usually know them long after they find a new coach which it seems they are always doing then are gone from my life. I learned long ago to just keep taking their money and ignoring them while they are in the sport because their kid burns usually burns out in the end. its to bad since some of the kid have true potential. I appreciate you Dads because thats where my money comes from and I will even help stroke your ego while you are handing me money But truth be known I detest you. In the end you will be gone and Ill still be here. I guess we could get rid of you earlier on this forum though. If the mods would just censor or ban the name Deiton. Maybe thats not the word that should be banned maybe it should be "we". either way it doesnt matter if you cant talk about yourself or your kid then you wouldnt have anything to talk about at all.



I guess your already believing it now huh? You were self promoting from the gitgo but dude youve just become obsessed with it to the point that most people cant stand you anymore.

I wish your kid nothing but the very best as I would all children in this sport. Maybe he has the true potential and drive that coaches such as myself are inspired to teach. But as to his future potential or reaching the upper echelon I see a parent like you becoming his biggest obstacle. Be very carefull. His teenage years are comming and the child that adores you now well lets just say you wouldnt believe me. youll learn on your own.

obviously your just as ignorant as the rocket scientist who's going to family counseling.. ""reread"" my quote about federer /sampras , i was pointing out all the "stupid" people, who make these premature and outrages compliments about my son being the next best thing!! you definitly fit right in!!

but seeings that your to stupid to read that quote and understand it !! i could imagine your teaching skills of this game !! thanks but no thanx go watch my sons videos, you could only dream of teaching strokes like his and i do that without shelling out a dime! your not in my arena! good try though! self promoting your coaching abilities,we all do it? don't we!

as for self promoting! what am i promoting? what am i trying to get? what do any of you have to offer that i don't allready have?

Coaching! we have the best , Money! the sponsers take care of that! jeolous people ! plenty and growing,ill ad you to the list !! learn how to read and NOT take things out of context, and we can have some insightful dialoge ,maybe you can teach me something, i'm open!! maybe you can learn!!

''if'' im self -promoting! then with your own words your a joke of a coach who "lies" to parents (telling them what they want to hear),not staight up, that would take backbone!! taking there money(theif) , like i tell my son think before you speak and mine your own buisness unless someone is being wronged ,allways stand for what is right ! you should consider this wisdom before you punch the keys next time!!

[MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER]

The family counselor was a fellow University student and fraternity brother I ran into at a professional association Christmas party... Things you (again) would have no idea about- Higher education, Fraternal and Professional associations, and Christmas season fellowship.

I Emailed your last rambling, oddly dull, and repetitive rant (at a little kid, yet), and you have graduated to the strong suggestion you go up the 110- Harbor and make a quick visit to the USC public ward.

You have dozens of people tell you everyone knows everything you are going to write before you even write it, all we are doing is begging some relief-Please write something of interest- OF ANY INTEREST to anyone at all. Yet you just continue to go on and on like an annoying little drip- I guess because you are an annoying little drip, but that's no excuse for repeating the same tripe when you have nothing to say.
I am not sure how many DIFFERENT people/ posters have to say it, and how many ways they can say it, but can't you see a trend?
Not of jealous people, just people who want you to get a clue, and say something a little different besides how great your kid is (no one cares) What tennis names you can drop (no one cares) and how you are getting along with your little pals (like that pysco) race-card Williams in Florida.

[TennisCoachFLA]

Now , now guys, its the holiday season. Crazed, Mighty, Brad...play nice!

[10isDad]

Now , now guys, its the holiday season. Crazed, Mighty, Brad...play nice!

I concur...stay on topic, folks...

[BradBaughman]

The family counselor was a fellow University student and fraternity brother I ran into at a professional association Christmas party... Things you (again) would have no idea about- Higher education, Fraternal and Professional associations, and Christmas season fellowship.

I Emailed your last rambling, oddly dull, and repetitive rant (at a little kid, yet), and you have graduated to the strong suggestion you go up the 110- Harbor and make a quick visit to the USC public ward.

You have dozens of people tell you everyone knows everything you are going to write before you even write it, all we are doing is begging some relief-Please write something of interest- OF ANY INTEREST to anyone at all. Yet you just continue to go on and on like an annoying little drip- I guess because you are an annoying little drip, but that's no excuse for repeating the same tripe when you have nothing to say.
I am not sure how many DIFFERENT people/ posters have to say it, and how many ways they can say it, but can't you see a trend?
Not of jealous people, just people who want you to get a clue, and say something a little different besides how great your kid is (no one cares) What tennis names you can drop (no one cares) and how you are getting along with your little pals (like that pysco) race-card Williams in Florida.

Great story to cover up the family problems faternity bro's i like that!!! hope your sessions go well , i know a lot of people going through counseling ,its embarrissing I understand, but let me encourage you the best way to work through difficult situations with your counselor is honesty and you don't have to open up here with us , and i wont bring it up no more cause therapy is a personal issue, ill respect what you and your family are going through,

but one thing you could bring up in your next session is how you have said over and over how you were gonna leave me alone and you cant seem to do this , maybe he can help you gain self control for what you say and following through with it ,it could be liberating, Merry Christmas

[BradBaughman]

Now , now guys, its the holiday season. Crazed, Mighty, Brad...play nice!

sorry guys i once again was talkng to someone else about something i was told!! and here comes the put downs, gets old especially from someone suppossably of a higher education once again ten florida and 10is dad sorry

[EasternRocks]

I concur too. In this particular thread, please stay on topic. This thread is for predictions, thoughts, opinions, results about the Winter Nats.

Thanks You

[EasternRocks]

Mr. Baughman, may I ask if you are the father of Deiton?

I've wathched vidoes of him play on youtube.

I see his name enlisted in the competitors list of the Winter Nationals, 12s.

Thats pretty cool. I'm Douglas Mo, I'll see Deiton down there I guess.

[BradBaughman]

Mr. Baughman, may I ask if you are the father of Deiton?

I've wathched vidoes of him play on youtube.

I see his name enlisted in the competitors list of the Winter Nationals, 12s.

Thats pretty cool. I'm Douglas Mo, I'll see Deiton down there I guess.

yes im deitons dad will be flying in there 2morrow on the 25th and play starts on the 27th are you guys playing this? ,ill check usta , see you there come up and introduce your self ,hope to meet you and hope the best for for your childs play while hes there

[EasternRocks]

yes im deitons dad will be flying in there 2morrow on the 25th and play starts on the 27th are you guys playing this? ,ill check usta , see you there come up and introduce your self ,hope to meet you and hope the best for for your childs play while hes there

Lol, I'm Douglas actually. I'm flying out tomorrow, the 25th but I'm going to get there at midnight. So, I guess I'll see you at check in. And yes, I am playing it, the 12s.

See you there!

[BradBaughman]

Lol, I'm Douglas actually. I'm flying out tomorrow, the 25th but I'm going to get there at midnight. So, I guess I'll see you at check in. And yes, I am playing it, the 12s.

See you there!

sorry about that, you get in at midnight ouch! we leave tomorrow am get in around 10am i think .. hope to meet you and your family best of skills in your matches Douglas . Brad

[mrmo1115]

too bad i couldn't play the 14s.... my ranking is too low from just aging out of the 12s

im hugh mo dougie's brother so ill be going out there trying to qualify to get into the copper bowl


hey brad do you know a kid named chris dalton i think i will have to beat him inthe last round of qualies... is he any good?

[BradBaughman]

too bad i couldn't play the 14s.... my ranking is too low from just aging out of the 12s

im hugh mo dougie's brother so ill be going out there trying to qualify to get into the copper bowl


hey brad do you know a kid named chris dalton i think i will have to beat him inthe last round of qualies... is he any good?

hes from are area i ask deit he cant think of who he is ,deit may have played him but not sure ,just remember your flying to far to lose let that be a little motivation and let your skills go to work .Brad

[mrmo1115]

i am officially now in the host hotel : doubletree...

it is 11 58 pm local time and boy am i tired... it is currently 2 in the morning in the east coast ... checking in and i need to catch some shut eye

[BradBaughman]

i am officially now in the host hotel : doubletree...

it is 11 58 pm local time and boy am i tired... it is currently 2 in the morning in the east coast ... checking in and i need to catch some shut eye

we play 10:30 am randoff come up and meets us if you get the chance ,hope the best for you and your bro Brad

[tenniscrazed]

seems to be more and more of these rebuttles comming from you. Could it be that people are just getting sick and tired of hearing the same thing from you. Ive been in this game for a long time and Ive yet to ever meet such a self promoting parent. Granted Ive known a few that came close but I dont usually know them long after they find a new coach which it seems they are always doing then are gone from my life. I learned long ago to just keep taking their money and ignoring them while they are in the sport because their kid burns usually burns out in the end. its to bad since some of the kid have true potential. I appreciate you Dads because thats where my money comes from and I will even help stroke your ego while you are handing me money But truth be known I detest you. In the end you will be gone and Ill still be here. I guess we could get rid of you earlier on this forum though. If the mods would just censor or ban the name Deiton. Maybe thats not the word that should be banned maybe it should be "we". either way it doesnt matter if you cant talk about yourself or your kid then you wouldnt have anything to talk about at all.



I guess your already believing it now huh? You were self promoting from the gitgo but dude youve just become obsessed with it to the point that most people cant stand you anymore.

I wish your kid nothing but the very best as I would all children in this sport. Maybe he has the true potential and drive that coaches such as myself are inspired to teach. But as to his future potential or reaching the upper echelon I see a parent like you becoming his biggest obstacle. Be very carefull. His teenage years are comming and the child that adores you now well lets just say you wouldnt believe me. youll learn on your own.

That's what we've all been trying to tell him. It's a huge tennis world out there and all of the "blah, blah, blah", self promotion, kids promotion whatever is totally unnecessary and detracts from what we're really here for and that is to exchange ideas. Not promote the daily movement of one self, or ones child. Go set up a personal blog somewhere (google blog, yahoo blog).

[andfor]

different thread SOS. hijacking should be illegal.

[tenniscrazed]

different thread SOS. hijacking should be illegal.


I think it's that quite a few people are tired of coming to this "forum" only to discover it somehow has morphed itself into a form of a personal "blog".

[andfor]

I think it's that quite a few people are tired of coming to this "forum" only to discover it somehow has morphed itself into a form of a personal "blog".

There is a good editorial about this very thing written by Chris Evert concerning juniors being tagged and pushed early for greatness, the pro tour, etc. She hits on everything that's negitive about it that's already been discussed here. I tried to get a link or download it but can't. You'll just have to read it in the latest Tennis mag when it gets to your house or newstand.

[BradBaughman]

2nd pool pick; 1st round loss = def (ill)

Oops that won't work, they'll just replace with an alternate.

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deitons 1st round was tough 6 3 6 0

[MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER]

The weather has taken an unusual nasty turn from the NorthWest for the first day's competition- Friday morning will be colder yet... lowest temps between 6AM and 7 AM (20 degrees) feel bad for anyone with an Eight o'clock "wake up" call.
Sun comes up, and wind will kick in (again) causing those 30 degree wind chill indexes. Truly anyone's tournament, the players that can ignore conditions will have an advantage. Hope those tiny tykes in 12s keep their bunny suits buttoned.

Watching the results Boys 14-(16-18s Phoenix) and the seeds are holding form. Lots of two set victories for the first rounds, with some names losing, like for the ******* Jack Sock, and the Southwest got hit hard with both the Bermudez going down.

[NebAce1]

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[tenniscrazed]

2nd pool pick; 1st round loss = def (ill)

Oops that won't work, they'll just replace with an alternate.

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deitons 1st round was tough 6 3 6 0

Congrats. His cponsors got thiere $250 per match worth in a division no one really cares about.

[10isDad]

Watching the results Boys 14-(16-18s Phoenix) and the seeds are holding form. Lots of two set victories for the first rounds, with some names losing, like for the ******* Jack Sock, and the Southwest got hit hard with both the Bermudez going down.

I know it's slightly off-topic, but we spent much of the day watching the Boys 16s in Scottsdale. Older Bermudez was impressive in his 1st match. 2nd match was against #1 seed, Sekou Coker Bangoura. Sekou is an interesting player. He really doesn't have weapons as in big shots. He gets to everything, gets tons of balls in play, works the points well and generally waits for his opponents to make mistakes. Players who play him must get frustrated because he's smart enough not to get suckered into their game of hitting the crap out of the ball. He just keeps sending back medium-paced, very accurate shots that land deep in the court.

Younger Bermudez was matched up against another lefty (de Chatellus - really decent player, too). The younger B is not the best returner, and really struggles returning against another lefty.

Daniel Ho looked very impressive, as did Nelson Vick.

[NebAce1]

I know it's slightly off-topic, but we spent much of the day watching the Boys 16s in Scottsdale. Older Bermudez was impressive in his 1st match. 2nd match was against #1 seed, Sekou Coker Bangoura. Sekou is an interesting player. He really doesn't have weapons as in big shots. He gets to everything, gets tons of balls in play, works the points well and generally waits for his opponents to make mistakes. Players who play him must get frustrated because he's smart enough not to get suckered into their game of hitting the crap out of the ball. He just keeps sending back medium-paced, very accurate shots that land deep in the court.

Younger Bermudez was matched up against another lefty (de Chatellus - really decent player, too). The younger B is not the best returner, and really struggles returning against another lefty.

Daniel Ho looked very impressive, as did Nelson Vick.

What player would you say you were most impressed with? and why?

[EasternRocks]

I lost to Yannick Mahlangu first rd, 5 and 4. Then I won my first round back draw, 0 and 0... I'll keep my results updated...

[mrmo1115]

did deiton beat elio?

[MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER]

Here are the tournament numbers to use for USTA tournament finders service- don't know why we hadn't posted before:
BOYS 16-18s
759360107
BOYS 14s and 12s
759203607

Also available by scrolling to SOUTHWEST then DECEMBER 07
A brisk 40 degrees right now, sunny, but no wind... very playable conditions

[10isDad]

What player would you say you were most impressed with? and why?

Hard to say...Even though Bangoura doesn't display any real weapons, the way he controls the ball is very impressive. He doesn't hit big, but he is so accurate and hits so deep that he controls most points even as a pusher.

There were some pretty surprising results today. Spencer Newman beat Carlos Bermudez 0 & 1. I didn't see the match but was told that CB played "stupid" and tried to hit everything as hard as he possibly could and, consequently, made tons of unforced errors.

Nelson Vick (#4 seed) lost in 3 sets to the 29 seed.

Clay Thompson (#2 seed) lost in 3 sets to Augie Bloom (#31 seed)

[10isDad]

did deiton beat elio?


Yep, 7-6, 4-6, 6-1 according to the internet...

[BradBaughman]

Yep, 7-6, 4-6, 6-1 according to the internet...

2nd pool pick; 1st round loss = def (ill)

Oops that won't work, they'll just replace with an alternate.

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the no.2 player from florida ,"from what the people at the tournament told me"
"elio" was truly the human wall, although deiton came out moving that boy side to side for about 3hrs the kid hung in there ,,he finally ran out of gas at the end of the second set .6 1 in third! well we were lucky to get in to the 3rd round. anymore preditions welcomed!!

[BradBaughman]

I lost to Yannick Mahlangu first rd, 5 and 4. Then I won my first round back draw, 0 and 0... I'll keep my results updated...

hey it was good to meet you today and deiton enjoyed meeting you also ,hope you continue to do well ,

have you ever played that boy elio? that kid was incredible!!

[easternplayer99]

Hard to say...Even though Bangoura doesn't display any real weapons, the way he controls the ball is very impressive. He doesn't hit big, but he is so accurate and hits so deep that he controls most points even as a pusher.

There were some pretty surprising results today. Spencer Newman beat Carlos Bermudez 0 & 1. I didn't see the match but was told that CB played "stupid" and tried to hit everything as hard as he possibly could and, consequently, made tons of unforced errors.

Nelson Vick (#4 seed) lost in 3 sets to the 29 seed.

Clay Thompson (#2 seed) lost in 3 sets to Augie Bloom (#31 seed)

I'm not surprised that spencer beat bermudez b/c spencer has been playing great lately and he has the perfect game to beat bermudez

however i'm surprised that thompson lost, bloom is a very good player but i heard that thompson was a top prospect

[NebAce1]

Hard to say...Even though Bangoura doesn't display any real weapons, the way he controls the ball is very impressive. He doesn't hit big, but he is so accurate and hits so deep that he controls most points even as a pusher.

There were some pretty surprising results today. Spencer Newman beat Carlos Bermudez 0 & 1. I didn't see the match but was told that CB played "stupid" and tried to hit everything as hard as he possibly could and, consequently, made tons of unforced errors.

Nelson Vick (#4 seed) lost in 3 sets to the 29 seed.

Clay Thompson (#2 seed) lost in 3 sets to Augie Bloom (#31 seed)

You should watch Frank vs. Bangoura. That sounds like a good match, because the last time I watched Mitchell play, he was very consistent, and rarely missed. So it sounds like it will be a good match with long points. Although I think Bangoura will probably win.

[easternplayer99]

^^
mitchell frank hits the most constient heavy ball i've ever seen for a kid his age

[NebAce1]

^^
mitchell frank hits the most constient heavy ball i've ever seen for a kid his age

.......yup

[MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER]

Weather going to shape up next couple days... to "normal" low to high 60s-

As far as being impressed, frankly, I'm most impressed (as a group) by the "smaller" 12s I see running around Randolph- some of these guys are barely as tall as the net they are trying to hit over, while others are (very oddly) over-sized at almost 5 feet and size 10 feet.
Seeing them try to battle these over-sized lugs sort of explains "moon balling" to some extent; God knows it will all even up in a couple years, then being unusually oversized will not be that great of factor.
Just by looking at them, I realize completely and in stone how stupid it is to guess where these players will end up, and laugh even louder at the Tennis magazine showing 6 thru 9 year olds as "next big things".

By- in- large entertaining so far, though I saw some shakey line calls, not a lot of screaming heard- I guess they are "coached" in this later.
Try the EEGEE's submarines and Frozen EEGEEs flavor of the month, if you want an adventure, try a Sonoran Hotdog if you see a truck in your travels.
Continued "good luck" and good weather for everybody.

[MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER]

Just got back from walking around 12-14 BOYS tournament site, the Racquet Club, I have to say I've never seen so many crappy line calls in any tournament, ever.
First, please don't tell me what I did and didn't see- It is not like the ball was "blazing" or "heavy/spin" - The pace on volleys is slow enough, and there are multiple clear straight line sights at the facility, not feet from the court.

I just walked around the 32 (plus) courts, not standing for any length at any one court in particular, and I would not have to wait maybe 2 minutes per court, almost every court, before observing a blatantly bad call.

For the 12's-It came down to calls on the line were automatically out, and I saw them call ones INSIDE the lines, as well- this was the NORM, so I don't really know what game they were playing, but it sure wasn't tennis.

I'm afraid because of pressures put on them at such a small size, with adult rackets and adult nets and adult courts- The court is in effect, "cut" down in size this way, I suppose, to make up for all the other oversized requirements.

The referees were running from one to to another; Lord only knows how any two players complete a match, except that all 12s (and some 14s) must just accept and play this way.

Frankly pretty much a most shocking display of unsportsman-like behavior. Saddest and most telling, it seems a complete waste of money to haul a kid around the country, then have them all play like that, and consider the kid(s) having talent, developing, and compare standings....pfhhhh... What are you comparing?

[10isDad]

Some really bad calls at the boys 16s yesterday, as well + some near fisticuffs. One of the sites only had 2 refs on site and there were 4 courts requesting refs during the matches so they couldn't stay long.

Question to Manfred: did you at least introduce yourself to BB?

[<3Tennis]

Has anyone seen Denis Nguyen play before?
He seems to be holding his ground in the 16s quite well.

[andfor]

Just got back from walking around 12-14 BOYS tournament site, the Racquet Club, I have to say I've never seen so many crappy line calls in any tournament, ever.
First, please don't tell me what I did and didn't see- It is not like the ball was "blazing" or "heavy/spin" - The pace on volleys is slow enough, and there are multiple clear straight line sights at the facility, not feet from the court.

I just walked around the 32 (plus) courts, not standing for any length at any one court in particular, and I would not have to wait maybe 2 minutes per court, almost every court, before observing a blatantly bad call.

For the 12's-It came down to calls on the line were automatically out, and I saw them call ones INSIDE the lines, as well- this was the NORM, so I don't really know what game they were playing, but it sure wasn't tennis.

I'm afraid because of pressures put on them at such a small size, with adult rackets and adult nets and adult courts- The court is in effect, "cut" down in size this way, I suppose, to make up for all the other oversized requirements.

The referees were running from one to to another; Lord only knows how any two players complete a match, except that all 12s (and some 14s) must just accept and play this way.

Frankly pretty much a most shocking display of unsportsman-like behavior. Saddest and most telling, it seems a complete waste of money to haul a kid around the country, then have them all play like that, and consider the kid(s) having talent, developing, and compare standings....pfhhhh... What are you comparing?

Trust me at this age and level it's not uncomon. Not that it makes it OK cause it's not, they are still learning. They will learn the hard way that when you try to cheat, the other guy can get you in the end and steal the match from you. They'll learn if they are clean from the beginning of the match they'll have a better chance of the entire match going that way from beginning to end.

As proof they will learn, I played in a Sectional Open this weekend with a bunch of top college players entered and the line calling was very good overall. I've played in this tournament about 9 years and as far as line calling is concerned it's always the same, good.

[NebAce1]

Some really bad calls at the boys 16s yesterday, as well + some near fisticuffs. One of the sites only had 2 refs on site and there were 4 courts requesting refs during the matches so they couldn't stay long.

Question to Manfred: did you at least introduce yourself to BB?

Did you watch the Bangoura vs. Frank match?
Who else did you watch?

[MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER]

This cheating to win at this level makes me suspect- Is it because of the pressure of the tournament- the costs, the travel?

It has all been said before, much better than me- How many ways to describe "hollow" and "farce"? What's a victory, a tournament championship when it's built on nothing and everyone knows it? What are these parents thinking?

I guess I am not built for this National high- wire kiddy pursuit of whatever they get out of phoney children's matches.

I do think they do it because of the outside pressure (and sometimes it must be the size differences) but if that is so, what must those in charge of their up bringing- their very moral development be about?

I walked right up to a match.... only person over 5' so I stood out like a cornstalk, maybe again in the victory circle? I'll be carrying a JUMBLES magazine.

[10isDad]

Did you watch the Bangoura vs. Frank match?
Who else did you watch?

Didn't go today...

Yesterday we watched Dominic Bermudez play twice, watched Emmett Egger lose, saw Augie Bloom beat Clay Thompson, saw Daniel Ho beat Casey MacMasters + several other matches where I wasn't sure who the opponents were...

[andfor]

This cheating to win at this level makes me suspect- Is it because of the pressure of the tournament- the costs, the travel?

It has all been said before, much better than me- How many ways to describe "hollow" and "farce"? What's a victory, a tournament championship when it's built on nothing and everyone knows it? What are these parents thinking?

I guess I am not built for this National high- wire kiddy pursuit of whatever they get out of phoney children's matches.

I do think they do it because of the outside pressure (and sometimes it must be the size differences) but if that is so, what must those in charge of their up bringing- their very moral development be about?

I walked right up to a match.... only person over 5' so I stood out like a cornstalk, maybe again in the victory circle? I'll be carrying a JUMBLES magazine.

I had written a long reply and erased it. Try not to be to cynical, remember they are kids and calling lines as a littleone is difficult because of the lower angle to the court, and experience, they do improve with growth and maturity. The kids at the nationals mostly love going to these tournaments and competing with or with out parent influence, it's part of (most of) their nature. Sure some are cheating. They grow up and most become normally adjusted, quite good sportsman, ladies and gentlemen and productive members of society in and out of tennis.

[deddied]

Didn't go today...

Yesterday we watched Dominic Bermudez play twice, watched Emmett Egger lose, saw Augie Bloom beat Clay Thompson, saw Daniel Ho beat Casey MacMasters + several other matches where I wasn't sure who the opponents were...

Did you watch Samuel Lampman?
He'll be in the boy's 12 division.:confused:

[MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER]

Quick change- Favorite player's name to come out of tournament- JAMIN BALL

[BradBaughman]

2nd pool pick; 1st round loss = def (ill)

Oops that won't work, they'll just replace with an alternate.

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once again deiton sqeeked through, although the experts predicted other wise he pulled off 6 3 6 1 win over a very solid and very fair linecalling kid from the state of washington, weve gone farther then expected so were satisfied ,yah right! as for any one introducing, only a few men so no i havent met him!!

[BradBaughman]

And to the rest of the thread once again mighty does nothing but slam the parents and the kids here who have flown from around the country to play this tourny!!! ,

it really must have been hard on you mighty watching deiton play and watching him take care of buisness at a high level even you cant deny!!

no im not trying to high jack this thread about my kid its just stupid all you do is put people down!!

[easternplayer99]

mr. baughman have you seen a feisty little kid called danny kenerzerman play? he is from my section and he is very talented

[BradBaughman]

in the boys 12s there were 2 upsets, yesterday the no.1 seed went down and today the no.2 seed went down to some boy from texas another seed not sure of, its alittle interesting though all the tactics used out here with in the gamesmenship rules!!

[BradBaughman]

mr. baughman have you seen a feisty little kid called danny kenerzerman play? he is from my section and he is very talented

which seed was he

[BradBaughman]

mr. baughman have you seen a feisty little kid called danny kenerzerman play? he is from my section and he is very talented

is he the lefty

[easternplayer99]

yes he is
also he is small and has blondish colored hair

[BradBaughman]

yes he is
also he is small and has blondish colored hair

yah ive watch him a little , not enough to make a comment !!

[easternplayer99]

ok
well good luck to your son tomorrow in the quarters right?

[NebAce1]

And to the rest of the thread once again mighty does nothing but slam the parents and the kids here who have flown from around the country to play this tourny!!! ,

it really must have been hard on you mighty watching deiton play and watching him take care of buisness at a high level even you cant deny!!

no im not trying to high jack this thread about my kid its just stupid all you do is put people down!!

yea good luck tomorrow. Deiton seems to be doing very well.

[TennisCoachFLA]

Just got back from walking around 12-14 BOYS tournament site, the Racquet Club, I have to say I've never seen so many crappy line calls in any tournament, ever.
First, please don't tell me what I did and didn't see- It is not like the ball was "blazing" or "heavy/spin" - The pace on volleys is slow enough, and there are multiple clear straight line sights at the facility, not feet from the court.

I just walked around the 32 (plus) courts, not standing for any length at any one court in particular, and I would not have to wait maybe 2 minutes per court, almost every court, before observing a blatantly bad call.

For the 12's-It came down to calls on the line were automatically out, and I saw them call ones INSIDE the lines, as well- this was the NORM, so I don't really know what game they were playing, but it sure wasn't tennis.

I'm afraid because of pressures put on them at such a small size, with adult rackets and adult nets and adult courts- The court is in effect, "cut" down in size this way, I suppose, to make up for all the other oversized requirements.

The referees were running from one to to another; Lord only knows how any two players complete a match, except that all 12s (and some 14s) must just accept and play this way.

Frankly pretty much a most shocking display of unsportsman-like behavior. Saddest and most telling, it seems a complete waste of money to haul a kid around the country, then have them all play like that, and consider the kid(s) having talent, developing, and compare standings....pfhhhh... What are you comparing?

Thats why Mr. Williams pulled Venus and Serena from the junior circuit. He felt it was a waste of time. The girls were better off hitting against good adult players and learning to compete in practice matches against each other.

I truly am leaning more and more on the anti-tournament approach. Seems like things are getting worse and worse. Perhaps kids are better off just learning the game at the local club and hitting against adults who will make them work on improving rather than chasing meaningless rankings.

[EasternRocks]

i'm playing kevin t. pham, tomorrow at 10:30 am...

wish me luck

good luck to deiton tomorrow in the rd of 16, when he takes on the kid who took out mack mcdonald, in three!

cya

[10isDad]

Thats why Mr. Williams pulled Venus and Serena from the junior circuit. He felt it was a waste of time. The girls were better off hitting against good adult players and learning to compete in practice matches against each other.

I truly am leaning more and more on the anti-tournament approach. Seems like things are getting worse and worse. Perhaps kids are better off just learning the game at the local club and hitting against adults who will make them work on improving rather than chasing meaningless rankings.

Local pro used to set balls down at various points on the court lines, then put players at other positions and ask them to call a non-moving ball. It was pretty remarkable how many balls that were good were called out, even on their own side of the court.

I think it's still good for kids to compete with each other. At the least, if they're brought up right, they'll learn to stick up for themselves and follow the rules, especially if they know the rankings don't mean that much.

However, I think it is important to compete with adults - not so much when they're in their 12s, but once (testosterone-filled boys especially) start pummeling the ball, it's amazing how a 50-year old slicer/dicer, or an accomplished serve/volleyer can carve them up. It teaches them that touch, depth, spin, placement are usually much more important than power.

[BradBaughman]

Local pro used to set balls down at various points on the court lines, then put players at other positions and ask them to call a non-moving ball. It was pretty remarkable how many balls that were good were called out, even on their own side of the court.

I think it's still good for kids to compete with each other. At the least, if they're brought up right, they'll learn to stick up for themselves and follow the rules, especially if they know the rankings don't mean that much.

However, I think it is important to compete with adults - not so much when they're in their 12s, but once (testosterone-filled boys especially) start pummeling the ball, it's amazing how a 50-year old slicer/dicer, or an accomplished serve/volleyer can carve them up. It teaches them that touch, depth, spin, placement are usually much more important than power.

i agree i thinks its important to compete against other kids but you definetly need to know what your goals are, that will make a difference on where you will be playing,kids or adaults!!

[BradBaughman]

Local pro used to set balls down at various points on the court lines, then put players at other positions and ask them to call a non-moving ball. It was pretty remarkable how many balls that were good were called out, even on their own side of the court.

I think it's still good for kids to compete with each other. At the least, if they're brought up right, they'll learn to stick up for themselves and follow the rules, especially if they know the rankings don't mean that much.

However, I think it is important to compete with adults - not so much when they're in their 12s, but once (testosterone-filled boys especially) start pummeling the ball, it's amazing how a 50-year old slicer/dicer, or an accomplished serve/volleyer can carve them up. It teaches them that touch, depth, spin, placement are usually much more important than power.

would love to set up a hitting session with the bermudez kids do you know there dads phone no. ,if so pass my no. on and have him call me. thanx

[TennisCoachFLA]

Local pro used to set balls down at various points on the court lines, then put players at other positions and ask them to call a non-moving ball. It was pretty remarkable how many balls that were good were called out, even on their own side of the court.

I think it's still good for kids to compete with each other. At the least, if they're brought up right, they'll learn to stick up for themselves and follow the rules, especially if they know the rankings don't mean that much.

However, I think it is important to compete with adults - not so much when they're in their 12s, but once (testosterone-filled boys especially) start pummeling the ball, it's amazing how a 50-year old slicer/dicer, or an accomplished serve/volleyer can carve them up. It teaches them that touch, depth, spin, placement are usually much more important than power.

I also think kids should compete with each other, just not in tournaments so much. Getting a group of solid kids together at the local club/park and playing matches where everyone is on the same page as far as no moonballing and calling correct lines improves them a million times more than playing moonball and line cheat tournaments. The kids go for winners, compete hard, and actually accomplish something that will improve their games.

Back in the day Chris Evert and her brother used to do that in the parks in Ft. Lauderdale; Agassi, Courier, Arias and that gang used to do it at Bollettieri's; and Roddick and his brother and friends also grew up playing that way.

Less organized tournaments to chase rankings and more kids playing among themselves the right way would greatly improve American junior tennis players.

[tenniscrazed]

I also think kids should compete with each other, just not in tournaments so much. Getting a group of solid kids together at the local club/park and playing matches where everyone is on the same page as far as no moonballing and calling correct lines improves them a million times more than playing moonball and line cheat tournaments. The kids go for winners, compete hard, and actually accomplish something that will improve their games.

Back in the day Chris Evert and her brother used to do that in the parks in Ft. Lauderdale; Agassi, Courier, Arias and that gang used to do it at Bollettieri's; and Roddick and his brother and friends also grew up playing that way.

Less organized tournaments to chase rankings and more kids playing among themselves the right way would greatly improve American junior tennis players.


In response to this and your Williams Sisters post. I have to agree to the extent of the division. I figured that these families are paying about $150 to $300 per match over the next 10 days in AZ. I don't see how this greatly improves you as a player in a division that all agree has little correlation to them at the age of 17 - 20 boys or girls (as you can see the womens game is certainly becoming more mature).

Congrats to the winners (the cost per match is going down). I'm sorry to the losers (the cost per match has been set).

[tenniscrazed]

Thats why Mr. Williams pulled Venus and Serena from the junior circuit. He felt it was a waste of time. The girls were better off hitting against good adult players and learning to compete in practice matches against each other.

I truly am leaning more and more on the anti-tournament approach. Seems like things are getting worse and worse. Perhaps kids are better off just learning the game at the local club and hitting against adults who will make them work on improving rather than chasing meaningless rankings.

Sorry for the double post folks. But this is an interesting point. I personally know a player in the eastern section whose has an older brother that is a JC college coach. This young player practices daily with the JC players and only plays three tourneys per year. 1 tune up and a couple of sectional tourneys makes the final or semis in each one. Not to be seen for another year yet each year there is measurable improvement.

This player has a low national ranking yet could likely wipe the floor with most of the field in this players age group. The family doesn't make high risk / low return investment in tennis. They are making a low risk / high return. Just food for thought.

[easternplayer99]

^^
what age group does he play in?
also, by sectional tournaments do you mean L1+ Eastern Designated closed?

[NebAce1]

^^
what age group does he play in?
also, by sectional tournaments do you mean L1+ Eastern Designated closed?

i would like to know the same thing.

[tenniscrazed]

^^
what age group does he play in?
also, by sectional tournaments do you mean L1+ Eastern Designated closed?

With all due respect to the family, I will not say whether the player is male or female or what age group. I will say that they are taking an interesting position of quality versus quantity.

[MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER]

I'm sure I speak for all Tucson when I say "Thanks for stopping by this week, sorry for the cold snap- Congrats to the winners, please leave the towels, (crying and otherwise) at the hotels and see you next time".

Also now that I have seen the nation's best 12s, I know I don't want to see too much more posts concerning any 12 year olds playing 16 year olds

[BradBaughman]

I'm sure I speak for all Tucson when I say "Thanks for stopping by this week, sorry for the cold snap- Congrats to the winners, please leave the towels, (crying and otherwise) at the hotels and see you next time".

Also now that I have seen the nation's best 12s, I know I don't want to see too much more posts concerning any 12 year olds playing 16 year olds

Stick to selling sky rockets, as for what age division some kids play that should be left up to us experts who are developing them!!

for the rest of you juniors out there know your equipment ,check it before each match cause playing with a broken racquet or worn strings can cost you a match or even a tournament!!!

hope the best to all of you young guys and it was a pleasure meeting some of you at the tourny hope your dreams towards this sport come true ,Brad

[MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER]

I watched over 90 rackets being handed over today, the day BEFORE the Copper Bowl to be strung and worked on, some players up to eight-nine rackets; Interesting note, majority were Wilson rackets, tells you what top kids seem to be playing- a lot of (K) Factors.
Seems real development experts carry enough equipment, since they have all these sponsors, and DO check it.

Gee, given the cold snap in the weather, "us experts" were betting down the favorite (at 2 to 1) it would be the wind again; "Them darn Moonballers" were going at 5 to 2, but nobody had the long shot- running out of equipment.

[BradBaughman]

I watched over 90 rackets being handed over today, the day BEFORE the Copper Bowl to be strung and worked on, some players up to eight-nine rackets; Interesting note, majority were Wilson rackets, tells you what top kids seem to be playing- a lot of (K) Factors.
Seems real development experts carry enough equipment, since they have all these sponsors, and DO check it.

Gee, given the cold snap in the weather, "us experts" were betting down the favorite (at 2 to 1) it would be the wind again; "Them darn Moonballers" were going at 5 to 2, but nobody had the long shot- running out of equipment.

yah we made a technical mistake that we know! but we learn cause we are teachable! just pulled the wrong stick out ! anyways im glad you got to see the kid in person, now you know he has no problem hitting from the baseline ,and now you know hes for real !! will be playing the spring nationals make your prediction now! semis or finals take your pick! oh yah why didnt you introduce yourself? i dont hit, my son does, you know tennis balls lolol.

BTW out of 128 kids deit was one of 16 left with a dunlop and the winner had a babolat so much for those K factors

[MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER]

Yeah, he is the real deal- and I know he could have gone farther... I wonder about the oversized competiton.... but these were Nationals, not the Lakewood weekend invitationals, and he cut a wide hole thru them- May not have played the biggest names- but played everyone they asked him to, which is just how a tournament is set.

I can't believe these kids carrying bags as big as them and not stuffing them with rackets. First aid, hats, sunscreen, tape all can be carried and reached for "off court". I see the "big guns" have 6-7-8 rackets, sometimes even strung to anticipate weather or opponents. I'm sure (by hook or crook) you could get 6 up and going even if # 5-6 are a little beat up, and never see sunlight until being checked PRIOR to next tournament.

[BradBaughman]

Yeah, he is the real deal- and I know he could have gone farther... I wonder about the oversized competiton.... but these were Nationals, not the Lakewood weekend invitationals, and he cut a wide hole thru them- May not have played the biggest names- but played everyone they asked him to, which is just how a tournament is set.

I can't believe these kids carrying bags as big as them and not stuffing them with rackets. First aid, hats, sunscreen, tape all can be carried and reached for "off court". I see the "big guns" have 6-7-8 rackets, sometimes even strung to anticipate weather or opponents. I'm sure (by hook or crook) you could get 6 up and going even if # 5-6 are a little beat up, and never see sunlight until being checked PRIOR to next tournament.

Mighty- I dont want to use excuse straight up we lost!! let me tell you though deiton and I argued about the racket he was taking into his fourth round against the kid Karim. who deiton beat before (In May 2 and 1) the kids a big hitter big forehand. Deiton wanted to use the same racket he had been using and doing well with in his previous matches. the thing was what he didn't realize (understand 11 year old) was that he was using gut, (not his practice poly that he uses for days at a time) so it was a technical error and a major error on my side for not putting my foot down, we realized after talking to his dbls partners mom that he had used it a total of 4 matches (9hrs.) on same racket. It's still eating me up! Oh well back to the old drawing board, another day another tournament. Just a behind the scenes look at how critical this sport can be. brad

[tenniscrazed]

I watched over 90 rackets being handed over today, the day BEFORE the Copper Bowl to be strung and worked on, some players up to eight-nine rackets; Interesting note, majority were Wilson rackets, tells you what top kids seem to be playing- a lot of (K) Factors.
Seems real development experts carry enough equipment, since they have all these sponsors, and DO check it.

Gee, given the cold snap in the weather, "us experts" were betting down the favorite (at 2 to 1) it would be the wind again; "Them darn Moonballers" were going at 5 to 2, but nobody had the long shot- running out of equipment.

I had a $1.00 on that one. Someone owes me. :)

[BradBaughman]

I had a $1.00 on that one. Someone owes me. :)


tenniscrazed I have respect for Mighty he came and watched and he's man enough to call it for what it is, as for you your just a disgruntled parent who did a lot of talk and even when deit did far beyond what you wanted him to do youcant handle it ,

here this one for you if deiton plays the spring nationals he semis or finals and when he wins the gold ball you still wont have nothing good to say like i said "Disgruntled"

[BradBaughman]

BTW mighty im glad you did get to see him and hopefully will bring home the gold next time , we have i think 2 more times to try and win this in the 12 s

[JMS]

brad, what's the best Dieton has done at a national tournament?

[tenniscrazed]

"Disgruntled"

If that's the case, then how do you explain all of the different posts in different forums asking that you chill out or set up your own personal blog and post it on google. Then you can post your dailiy activities, videos, etc to your hearts content??

[BradBaughman]

brad, what's the best Dieton has done at a national tournament?

he doesnt play many he won no quit unseeded, semied wilson unseeded and rnd of 16 unseeded at the winternationals thats it!! and now that i answered you tenniscrazed is gonna be upset i answered about my kid!!

[JMS]

well who cares about tenniscrazed? :) Well Deiton going that far in the nationals he plays unseeded has got to give him the best competition to go towards his improvement

[BradBaughman]

well who cares about tenniscrazed? :) Well Deiton going that far in the nationals he plays unseeded has got to give him the best competition to go towards his improvement

thanx what age do you play and how well are you doing??

[JMS]

thanx what age do you play and how well are you doing??

I play 16s, about to be 18s. Pretty well, but not a national player, just state and sectional, It's a way to keep in shape, meet people. i could probably play at a smaller school when i graduate but i doubt i will. Just looking to enjoy college life :) but i am a hardcore tennis addict, who just can't get enough :)

[BradBaughman]

I play 16s, about to be 18s. Pretty well, but not a national player, just state and sectional, It's a way to keep in shape, meet people. i could probably play at a smaller school when i graduate but i doubt i will. Just looking to enjoy college life :) but i am a hardcore tennis addict, who just can't get enough :)

like your attitude!! what state? any where near So Ca

[JMS]

like your attitude!! what state? any where near So Ca

Haha thanks, I've met the most incredible people through tennis :) and no, North Carolina, but hopefully i'll get to see Deiton play someday!!

[BradBaughman]

Haha thanks, I've met the most incredible people through tennis :) and no, North Carolina, but hopefully i'll get to see Deiton play someday!!

weve been ask to play the spring nationals in florida in april!! and will return in november to play the ITF series at the end of the year 08 if your in town would love to meet you !!

[easternplayer99]

brad will deiton be playing in the easter bowl in palm springs?
b/c i will be going and i would love to meet and see deiton play.

[BradBaughman]

brad will deiton be playing in the easter bowl in palm springs?
b/c i will be going and i would love to meet and see deiton play.

i think we'll be playing that one ,its in our back yard, if you do play it stay in touch we could do some hitting together while were there !!

[tennisjunkie101]

Tell Deiton good showing!!

[trojankid]

Tell Deiton good showing!!

i agree good work Deiton

[TENNIS 67]

Ya Deiton great job