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Rickson
02-02-2008, 10:23 PM
Sorry to start a new thread, Sauce, but I wanted to put a spoiler tag just in case someone might be catching a replay.


PPV Fights:

-Tyson Griffin def. Gleison Tibau via Unanimous Decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27) after 3 Rounds.
-Ricardo Almeida def. Rob Yundt via Submission (guillotine choke) at 1:08 of Round 1.
-Nate Marquardt def. Jeremy Horn via Submission (guillotine choke) at 1:37 of Round 2.
-Frank Mir def. Brock Lesnar via Submission (kneebar) at 1:30 of Round 1.
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira def. Tim Sylvia via Submission (guillotine choke) at 1:28 of Round 3 to become interim UFC Heavyweight champion.

scotus
02-02-2008, 11:23 PM
So Frank Mir beat Lesnar. That's impressive. I always thought that Mir was a very good submission artist but I still thought that Lesnar might be too strong for him and the former pro wrestler has been training in submissions, too.

Rickson
02-02-2008, 11:31 PM
So Frank Mir beat Lesnar. That's impressive. I always thought that Mir was a very good submission artist but I still thought that Lesnar might be too strong for him and the former pro wrestler has been training in submissions, too.
Obviously pro wrestling doesn't mean a lot, but Brock was an elite amateur wrestler which definitely means a lot in the mma circle. Brock got his takedowns as he expected, but unfortunately for him, he underestimated the importance of submissions and Frank is one of the best submission artists in the heavyweight division. Brock had better brush up on his submission defense as well as learning some submissions of his own. The days of Mark Coleman style fighters dominating mma are long gone.

lilminihorse
02-02-2008, 11:38 PM
So Frank Mir beat Lesnar. That's impressive. I always thought that Mir was a very good submission artist but I still thought that Lesnar might be too strong for him and the former pro wrestler has been training in submissions, too.

imo brock got screwed by a questionable hit to the back of the head call. he dominated mir for all but 2 seconds of the fight.. it was those 2 seconds that counted though.

the two losses did set up a brock vs tim fight. I think brock needs a few more fights before he's ready. i dont know how he gets to fight an ex champ for his first ufc fight.

Hot Sauce
02-03-2008, 02:11 AM
I liked how Lesnar came out really aggressive, it made for an entertaining and surprising outcome.

Nog did his classic, getting beat down in the first rounds and then coming up with a huge submission. I love his game, and he deserves that belt. I even think he's good enough to beat couture.

mcpon
02-03-2008, 03:33 AM
I liked how Lesnar came out really aggressive, it made for an entertaining and surprising outcome.

Nog did his classic, getting beat down in the first rounds and then coming up with a huge submission. I love his game, and he deserves that belt. I even think he's good enough to beat couture.

How about Fedor?

Ultra2HolyGrail
02-03-2008, 09:35 AM
GO LESNAR :) About time someone can get a crowd excited. Mir was getting pounded and a bad ref call really helped mir, lots of money on Mir of course as he was the underdog.. Mir is still just a little punk even with his submission skills.

maverick66
02-03-2008, 10:00 AM
How about Fedor?

who cares about fedor anymore. until the guy fights in a good org hes gonna continue to fade away.

i was suprised lesner got such a hard fight right out the gate in the ufc. you dont give a new guy a former champ who wasnt defeated but got hurt falling off a motorcycle. and the fact that he dominated him until he got caught says hes gonna be good but lacks the experiance right now.

Ultra2HolyGrail
02-03-2008, 10:17 AM
who cares about fedor anymore. until the guy fights in a good org hes gonna continue to fade away


Fedor rocks..Atleast he has some stand up unlike Mir. He would crush Silvia and Nog.. It's a shame ufc dont have real champions in the heavyweight div.

Rickson
02-03-2008, 10:23 AM
Fedor rocks..Atleast he has some stand up unlike Mir. He would crush Silvia and Nog.. It's a shame ufc dont have real champions in the heavyweight div.

Fedor's tough, but he never crushed Nogueira in their fights. Nogueira might have been neutralized by Fedor's power, but he was never in danger of being knocked out or submitted. Kevin Randleman showed that a superior wrestler could give Fedor a lot of problems, but unfortunately for Kevin, he lacks the boxing and subs to beat Fedor. If a world class freestyle wrestler ever becomes very good at submissions, Fedor would have his hands full.

Hot Sauce
02-03-2008, 12:42 PM
I recall in one of the Fedor-Nog fights when Fedor had Nog in the corner on the ground. He was getting some big clean shots in, and any lesser of a fighter would've been knocked out already.

I think the closest time that Fedor came to losing (aside from the cut from the elbow) was against Fujita. Fujita connected with a big hook and Fedor was stumbling like he was out of it, but he quickly regained his composure.

scotus
02-03-2008, 06:30 PM
Obviously pro wrestling doesn't mean a lot, but Brock was an elite amateur wrestler which definitely means a lot in the mma circle.

Yep, Lesnar was an NCAA wrestling champ. Not as impressive as Kurt Angle's record, but impressive nonetheless.

I actually think he has a bright future in the MMA competitions.

Kobble
02-03-2008, 06:43 PM
Thank goodness Nog won.

CAM178
02-03-2008, 06:49 PM
If a world class freestyle wrestler ever becomes very good at submissions, Fedor would have his hands full.
I'm not going to disagree with you, but I am curious to see this. Fedor has a couple of things that are suspect: he's got somewhat of a glass chin, and he's a bleeder. But I have yet to see him in a fight where he was worried. In every one of his fights, you can almost see him at a certain point thinking 'Okay, I'm bored with this. Time to end it.'. . . .submission 10 seconds later. He is the best I've ever seen. He is the most complete, the best prepared, can adjust his game plan in seconds, etc. There is a reason why he is called 'Cyborg'. But I do want to see him fight Randy, and I want to see him fight some real fighters. Overall, though, he is an absolute class act, and seems to be one of the nicest and most unassuming fighters in the world.

As to UFC 81 itself, I called all of them correctly. First time in a while.

CAM178
02-03-2008, 06:51 PM
I actually think he has a bright future in the MMA competitions.
Only if he learns the ground game. Defending kimuras and armbars is not BJJ. Defending triangles to platas is BJJ. But most definitely defending leg and ankle locks is paramount. I've had mine cranked a few times, and it hurts worse than you can imagine. There is a reason why you see that face when you see a fighter get a solid leg or ankle lock slapped on.

35ft6
02-03-2008, 07:14 PM
You can just see Brock Lesnar is a strength freak. Who knows what would have happened if the ref didn't take a point away for hitting the back of the head. IMO, he's obviously on steroids, so I'm curious to see how his frame adjusts if UFC applies its drug rules to him. And true, he's got a LOT to learn. And this loss is probably good for him if he's going to take MMA seriously. Losing will spurn him to learn some skills. He probably thought he'd beat Mir the same way he beat his first opponent, and for a while it looked like he might be right.

CAM178
02-03-2008, 07:22 PM
If I had to hazard a guess, as I didn't see Lesnar's 1st fight, I'm guessing he GnP'd the guy? I just imagine him being like Mark Coleman and rushing in like a bull.

mcpon
02-03-2008, 08:49 PM
If I had to hazard a guess, as I didn't see Lesnar's 1st fight, I'm guessing he GnP'd the guy? I just imagine him being like Mark Coleman and rushing in like a bull.

He tried, was dominating, but got caught.

CAM178
02-03-2008, 09:07 PM
He tried, was dominating, but got caught.
I was talking about his 1st fight, not what happened with Mir. What Mir did was completely expected. Mir used the same tactic that Big Nog uses: take some abuse, let them get comfortable, and then catch them in a sub.

mcpon
02-03-2008, 09:17 PM
I was talking about his 1st fight, not what happened with Mir. What Mir did was completely expected. Mir used the same tactic that Big Nog uses: take some abuse, let them get comfortable, and then catch them in a sub.

http://www.mmalinker.com/index.php?t=t&id=1167&mtype=svt&title=Brock%20Lesnar%20Vs%20Min%20Soo%20Kim
The guy tapped due to strikes but look at the size difference. And it just seems odd that Brock would get such a step up even though it was like a year in between the fights.

Rickson
02-03-2008, 09:41 PM
http://www.mmalinker.com/index.php?t=t&id=1167&mtype=svt&title=Brock%20Lesnar%20Vs%20Min%20Soo%20Kim
The guy tapped due to strikes but look at the size difference. And it just seems odd that Brock would get such a step up even though it was like a year in between the fights.

Min Soo is a garbage fighter and would get beaten by any halfway decent fighter in mma and a few scrubs too.

CAM178
02-03-2008, 09:51 PM
Brock is going to get DQ'd if he keeps hitting guys in th back of the head so much. The fact that he got a point deducted against Mir says a lot. I can't remember the last time I've heard of that happening. Seems like all he does is GnP, but with no real game plan. He is trying to soften guys up with strikes to the back of the head. Now that I see his 1st fight, and now that I've heard about the UFC 81 pt deduction, I'm glad Lesnar got caught in a sub. Wish Mir had torqued it a bit to teach Lesnar a lesson. :twisted:

35ft6
02-03-2008, 11:52 PM
Brock is going to get DQ'd if he keeps hitting guys in th back of the head so much. The fact that he got a point deducted against Mir says a lot.:It was a questionable call. I mean, he clearly hit the back of Mir's head, but Mir was turning away very quickly as Lesnar just kept hammer fisting non stop. It didn't look intentional is what I'm saying, and he only hit Mir once -- and probably wouldn't have hit him in the back of the head again because Mir was continuing to turn away -- before the fight was stopped and a point deducted. No warning, just an immediate point deduction. He had Mir in some trouble before the ref stepped in. It was kind of amazing how easily and quickly he took Mir down and had him in side mount.

scotus
02-04-2008, 10:11 AM
It was a questionable call. I mean, he clearly hit the back of Mir's head, but Mir was turning away very quickly as Lesnar just kept hammer fisting non stop. It didn't look intentional is what I'm saying, and he only hit Mir once -- and probably wouldn't have hit him in the back of the head again because Mir was continuing to turn away -- before the fight was stopped and a point deducted. No warning, just an immediate point deduction. He had Mir in some trouble before the ref stepped in. It was kind of amazing how easily and quickly he took Mir down and had him in side mount.

I just watched the match on youtube and you're right. I don't think Lesnar hit Mir intentionally. Lesnar got the side-mount on Mir and started hitting him on the side of the head but Mir turned the back of his head in the middle of the rapid-fire hitting.

Which leads me to one complaint about the rules piling up in the UFC. If a striker cannot hit his opponent in the back of the head, cannot stomp his head when he is down, etc., then these rules pretty much serve to protect grapplers (mostly brazilian Jiujitsu practitioners who like to stay on their back) from strikers. I think the simpler original rules of no eye-gouging and no biting were better although even those rules already favored the grapplers.

If I were Mir and I was being overpowered and pounded in the head, then I too would bare the back of my head and protect the side and the front, hoping the referee would come to my rescue and disqualify the giant. Getting into the so-called "turtle position" may work in judo or jiujitsu competitions but it does not work in a street fight and should not work in an MMA fight.

Rickson
02-04-2008, 03:23 PM
A thai fighting cat against a grappling cat.

2 cats fighting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dDzTS0H6dI)

scotus
02-04-2008, 04:01 PM
A thai fighting cat against a grappling cat.

2 cats fighting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dDzTS0H6dI)

Cute, real cute.

35ft6
02-04-2008, 10:18 PM
I just watched the match on youtube and you're right. I don't think Lesnar hit Mir intentionally. Lesnar got the side-mount on Mir and started hitting him on the side of the head but Mir turned the back of his head in the middle of the rapid-fire hitting.Just watched it again and I still think it was unintentional but Brock hit him twice in the back of the head, although the replay only showed the second instance. Maybe the ump made a good call, a hammer fist from Brock is not like a hammer fist from even most other heavyweights.Which leads me to one complaint about the rules piling up in the UFC. If a striker cannot hit his opponent in the back of the head, cannot stomp his head when he is down, etc., then these rules pretty much serve to protect grapplers (mostly brazilian Jiujitsu practitioners who like to stay on their back) from strikers. I think the simpler original rules of no eye-gouging and no biting were better although even those rules already favored the grapplers. UFC rules are still favorable to strikers though if you consider GNP specialists strikers. The elbows really help the GNP guys. A lot of experts think they should get rid of elbows on the ground but allow knees, reason being elbows are really easy to make contact with and they cause a LOT of cuts, cuts that stop fights even though the fighter might still be mentally fine.

And it IS a sport, so I don't mind that they don't allow fish hooks and eye pokes. Even hitting the back of the head, it would have been really bad if Hughes was allowed to drop elbows on the back of Royce's head, and in general, I'm in favor of that. Kneeing or kicking somebody when their knee is on the ground, not sure about. At least let them knee I think.