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NoBadMojo
12-21-2004, 09:08 AM
Here are specs for the Gen2 w. a February availability. They've got the swingweight down while keeping the static weight significant enough and also not making it so headlight. looks sweet to me and i bet it will have some nice controllable power and a nice soft ball feel.
<snip>
Tour 10 Mid Plus Generation II
Specifications
Head Size: .................................................. ...98 in2 (630 cm2)
Cross Section: ................................................20 mm.
Length: .................................................. ........27 (68.5 cm.)
Weight (Unstrung): .......................................11.5 oz. (325 grams)
Weight (Strung): ...........................................12.0 oz. (340 grams)
Balance (Unstrung): ......................................1.1 inches Head Light (31.5 cm)
Balance (Strung): ..........................................0.7 inches Head Light (32.5 cm)
Swing Weight (Unstrung): ............................290 kgcm2
Swing Weight (Strung): ................................315 kgcm2
Flex (Unstrung): ............................................60 RA
Flex (Strung): ................................................58 RA
Grip Sizes: .................................................. ...4 1/8 4 3/4 (sizes 1-6)
Grip Type (replacement band): .....................Pro Gear Grip
Comfort Handle Technology: .......................Sensor Tour Handle System
Frame Construction:..................................... ..Carbon, Graphite, Fiberglass
.................................................. ......................Features Pure Fiber Technology
Frame Type .................................................. ..Precise Frame
String Pattern: ................................................16 X 19 Dynamic Power Control Pattern
Recommended String Tension:......................55 lbs. + / - 5 lbs. (25 kp + / - 2 kp)

Ideal for 4.5 to 7.0 players
<end snip>

chazz
12-21-2004, 09:32 AM
How many points headlight is that racquet going to be when strung?

tkoets
12-21-2004, 11:12 AM
Chazz, about 5.5 points HL, because 1 point = 1/8 in.

BreakPoint
12-21-2004, 02:35 PM
Actually, I think it's more like 5.5 points HL. (If 1 pt. = 1/8 in., then 8 pts. = 1 in, so 0.7 in. x 8 pts. = 5.6 pts.)

Anyway, the specs sound great. Can't wait to try it. Hope it's better than the V-Engines.

Django
12-21-2004, 02:50 PM
Oops, I just drooled on my keyboard. The specs make it look like the perfect replacement for my battered C-10 Pros. Slight concern, however, about the amount of fiberglass in the construction. I hope the carbon and graphite mitigates that; I don't want it feeling like the V-Engines.

NoBadMojo
12-21-2004, 03:07 PM
django what makes the v-engines feel like the v-engines is the v-engine :) and not the layup. this will be a traditional feeling frame w.o the v-engine. the v-engine stiffens that part of the frame..

man-walking
12-21-2004, 03:24 PM
31.5cm / 325g mmmm...

maybe you are wrong about balance. No? :?
If think it should be 31, really, like the VE sister (they should share all the *numbers*).
http://www.***********.it/home/schedaprodotto.asp?id=329&ricerca=true&keywords=&i d_produttore=23&id_categoria=&novita=

tkoets
12-21-2004, 05:03 PM
I agree, guys, looks really sweet. The 315 SW is great, too! I will have to give this creature a try one way or the other.

jayserinos99
12-21-2004, 05:42 PM
anyone know if volkl will come out with a 93 sq. in. version of the tour10 gen2?

Zverev
12-21-2004, 07:47 PM
Why is flex different for strung and unstrung racquet (58/60) ?

It might FEEL different, but isn't flex a physical property of the frame?

newbie123
12-21-2004, 10:09 PM
swingweights too light.....

Deuce
12-21-2004, 10:29 PM
Man, how many bloody racquets do people need?

Tour 10 MP, Tour 10 Mid, Tour 10 V-engine MP, Tour 10 V-engine Mid, Tour 10 Generation 2...

Absolutely ridiculous. "If you build it, they will come" and "There's one born every minute" have never held more true than today in the insane world of tennis racquet marketing, where people are CONSTANTLY drooling over the next racquet which promises to be the 'best ever' - until word of the next one gets out, of course.

It has become like women shopping for shoes - perpetual and completely irrational.

bismark
12-22-2004, 08:59 AM
Deuce, this IS a racquet section. No? Pity TW doesn't have a section for cynics or anti-capitalists. :roll:

ohplease
12-22-2004, 11:26 AM
Deuce, this IS a racquet section. No? Pity TW doesn't have a section for cynics or anti-capitalists. :roll:

We do - we just call it the racquet section.

jayserinos99
12-22-2004, 01:04 PM
there is a rants and raves section.

Deuce
12-23-2004, 12:05 AM
Perhaps there should be created a section named 'All About Obsessions - Men: Tennis Racquets; Women: Shoes'

Just pick a damn shoe and walk.

Just pick a damn racquet and play.

Yolkl
01-08-2005, 06:42 PM
Here are specs for the Gen2 w. a February availability. They've got the swingweight down while keeping the static weight significant enough and also not making it so headlight. looks sweet to me and i bet it will have some nice controllable power and a nice soft ball feel.
<snip>
Tour 10 Mid Plus Generation II
Specifications
Head Size: .................................................. ...98 in2 (630 cm2)
Cross Section: ................................................20 mm.
Length: .................................................. ........27 (68.5 cm.)
Weight (Unstrung): .......................................11.5 oz. (325 grams)
Weight (Strung): ...........................................12.0 oz. (340 grams)
Balance (Unstrung): ......................................1.1 inches Head Light (31.5 cm)
Balance (Strung): ..........................................0.7 inches Head Light (32.5 cm)
Swing Weight (Unstrung): ............................290 kgcm2
Swing Weight (Strung): ................................315 kgcm2
Flex (Unstrung): ............................................60 RA
Flex (Strung): ................................................58 RA
Grip Sizes: .................................................. ...4 1/8 4 3/4 (sizes 1-6)
Grip Type (replacement band): .....................Pro Gear Grip
Comfort Handle Technology: .......................Sensor Tour Handle System
Frame Construction:..................................... ..Carbon, Graphite, Fiberglass
.................................................. ......................Features Pure Fiber Technology
Frame Type .................................................. ..Precise Frame
String Pattern: ................................................16 X 19 Dynamic Power Control Pattern
Recommended String Tension:......................55 lbs. + / - 5 lbs. (25 kp + / - 2 kp)

Ideal for 4.5 to 7.0 players
<end snip>

Can anyone tell me from these specs whether this frame will be less demanding than the other tour 10 models ?

NoBadMojo
01-09-2005, 03:46 PM
soon we will know..if the specs <swingweight> are right, this bat will be easier to swing than the other 10series frames, so i would say that is less demanding. i'm sure the sweetspot will be very forgiving, 16mains for spin, etc

Yolkl
01-09-2005, 04:35 PM
The specs are remarkably similiar.
The big difference looks like the composition.
RdX grahite/titanium
Gen II Carbon/graphite/fiberglass.

NoBadMojo
01-09-2005, 07:00 PM
here are the yonex specs from TW
<snip>
98 sq. in. / 632 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Strung Weight: 11.7oz / 332g
Balance: 8pts Head Light
Swingweight: 315
Stiffness: 62
Beam Width: 18-21 mm
Composition: High Modulus Graphite / Nickel Titanium Composite
Power Level: Low
Swing Speed: Fast
Grip Type: Yonex Cushion Grip
String Pattern:
16 Mains / 19 Crosses
Mains skip: 8T, 8H
Two Piece
No shared holes
String Tension: 55-65 pounds
<end snip>
i can assure you these two frames wont play very similarly, one reason being the differing headshapes which offer different sweetspots. all of the Volkls I have ever hit with that have the classic volkl headshape offer a very generous sweetspot which extends higher in the stringbed where alot of players (including better players hit their serves and their volleys at times). the sweetspot in the standard Yonex shaped frame doesnt seem to extend up as high in the hoop and that's why i feel this racquet isnt as responsive on either serves or volleys as the Volkl. <but it sure is sweet on the groundies> intriguing about the Gen2 is that it has more static weight than the RDX, is a little less headlight, but yet has the same swingweight as the RDX....assuming these specs to be precise of course. this leads me to believe this frame is going to be pretty special, especially with some good old fiberglass in the layup..and no worries about different specs for different gripsizes...by the way, for some reason i have found the Volkl 3/8 pallet to be a bit less rectangular than either the 4 or 5 sizes (i've recently gone to smaller gripsizes). so if you like less rectangular buy the 3 gripsize and build that puppy up as necessary which will also round it off just a bit more..hope this helps.
i am thinking that Volkl will have the gen2 just right....it's replacing the venerable C1o Pro and a popular frame in the Tour10MP..i dont think they can possibly afford to screw this up.
also the tension range is lower in the gen2..but all speculation for now. i'll string mine up as soon as they come and post my take for anyone interested, having playtested the RDXmp for TW before as well.
Dsclaimer: This is not a personal attack on anyone using the RDXmp, or the mid, or any of the Yonex products, nor an attack on anyones' offspring, parents, or heirs...i encourage everyone to use whatever they wish;O

AndrewD
01-09-2005, 07:45 PM
NoBadMojo,

Just a couple of questions about the Volkls. Firstly, why did you initially choose the Tour10 MP over the C10 Pro when the C10 has, according to specs, a slightly higher weight and, according to review, higher power level?

Also, what I meant to ask in another thread, when I tried the C10 I found it pretty dead in the upper part of the head. Does the Tour10 MP in any way eliminate that dead feeling?

NoBadMojo
01-09-2005, 08:12 PM
andrew i think what you are noticing is that the c1o pro is alot more headlight than the t10 and some think that makes racquets either feel unstable or flimsy or something. i think the c10 to be less powerful than the t10. i dont find the c10 to be dead up high. the t10 isnt as headlight and you may think that better and giving you more response higher up. i like the t10 better because it is firmer in the upper hoop than the c10 and i think that gives you a bit more juice. you could also maybe be feeling the really flexy head of the c10 pro..i found it a little too noodley for my tastes, but there are no shortage of people loving this frame..it's a classic

AndrewD
01-09-2005, 11:06 PM
Thanks again NBMJ.
The price of the C10 is still prohibitive here in Oz, even through TW (around the 300 mark) but I was asking as the T10 MP is far more accessible at 180 (including shipping) and it was the one you recommended to me. It also comes up on the TW site as an alternative to the LM Rad which I did like (too expensive again). Will see if there's any chance of having a hit with one while Im in Melbourne, otherwise it might be the frame I have to just take a chance on.

crosscourt
01-10-2005, 01:27 AM
AndrewD -- in case it helps, I don't think that the C10 has as much power as the T10, and the feel is different. The C10 has a tinny feel that some love, but I hated. The T10 is just a comfortable racket. I wouldn't say that the C10, T10 and LMRad are similar rackets. The feel of each is different, and though I guess you get used to what you play with, I think that if you play tested all three you would prefer the feel of one over the others. Can't say which one it would be for you, but looking at the prices you quote, the T10 looks very good value for a very good racket.

Mies
01-10-2005, 02:30 AM
Well, it appears the gen 2 is out in Holland already (at least it's up at one webstore), so I will have a go with it next week. If it indeed is available for testing, I'll put a story up somewhere in the following weeks with my findings.

Regards

AndrewD
01-10-2005, 03:07 AM
Crosscourt, thanks very much. Bit tough where I live to playtest any racquets (LM and C10 were exceptions) so Im likely going to have to buy on faith. NBMJ's been giving me a bit of advice to make the choice a bit better. Nailed it down to the Rad, T10mp and POG (mid or o/s).

I think I know what you mean about the 'tinny' kind of feel in the C10. Just didn't feel 'right' to me or as solid as the Rad which felt good all around - half my luck lol. Might just wait to see what reviews people come up with regarding the new Tour10 before diving in the deep end.

Yolkl
01-10-2005, 03:52 AM
Well, it appears the gen 2 is out in Holland already (at least it's up at one webstore), so I will have a go with it next week. If it indeed is available for testing, I'll put a story up somewhere in the following weeks with my findings.

Regards

Please be quick about it. I'm on the edge of my seat.

Mies
01-10-2005, 03:56 AM
Well Yolkl, I have to send my current 2 demo's (LM prestige MP and RDX 500 Mid) back first before I can get 2 new rackets from the company. I will send the current ones back on saturday and (if they have em available) I'll have the Volks (testing the tour 10 mp gen 2 and the v 10 mid) in my hands by next week tuesday. I probably won't hit with it till next week thursday, when I have my weekly training so......next week friday (at it's earliest) I will be able to post.....now let's hope that they do have em available :)....

Yolkl
01-10-2005, 04:12 AM
Mies-Have you tried the Slaz X 1 yet ?

Mies
01-10-2005, 04:53 AM
Yolkl,
Unfortunately, the internet shops I usually get my demo's from don't sell the Slaz X 1 so I'm going to check with my trainer if he can get his hands on one of em......if not, I fear the slaz is out of the picture. So far, my current racket of choice would be the RDX 500 Mid, but I have my hopes set on the Volkls. Anyways, we'll see :)...

LafayetteHitter
01-10-2005, 04:23 PM
Ed,
I hit for the first time tonight with the Gen 1 Tour 10 MP, and I must say wow!, this is a great racquet. I ordered a few racquets including the Tour 10 V-engine Mid also. Both of these racquets played exactly as you stated in your descriptions of them. I found the V-engine very demanding and when putting 110% into the racquet it gave back maybe 80%. The Tour 10 MP had a bit of a hefty feel when swinging it around when taking it out of the box, especially compared to the Mid v-engine, of course the swingweights told me this before even picking up the racquets. The V-engine mid felt nice just dry swinging it, but I must say the added swingweight of the Tour 10 MP really ripped the ball. This racquet was the most impressive out of everything I have hit with IMO. If Volkl really went all out and did Gen 2 right it should be an awesome racquet. And I must say the Tour 10 MP had the most consistent string bed out of any racquet I have used, and it is VERY VERY forgiving, so Ed, thanks for all your valuable input.

Scott

NoBadMojo
01-10-2005, 05:08 PM
my pleasure scott...i dont know if you noticed that the ball really pierces the court and has a heaviness to it? i can no longer blame my racquet when i lose..lol. it's gonna take alot to pry these out of my grubby hands. let me know if you buy some and need help w. your setups.ed

Serve-And-Volley
01-10-2005, 05:21 PM
This new racquet sounds great! It seems similar to my Catapult 10. I might be making that my new racquet. Thanks for posting those specs NoBadMojo.

Yolkl
01-10-2005, 06:13 PM
Will the gen II replace the current tour 10, or will Volkl continue to produce both racquets ?

Yolkl
01-10-2005, 06:19 PM
At current TW prices, what do you feel are the best values ?
IMO, the Volkl Tour 10 @ $99.99 looks pretty darn good.
Anything else (especially in 11 oz. & up) ?

Mies
01-12-2005, 01:06 AM
Yo Yolkl,

Good news and bad news. Good news is that the Tour 10 MP gen 2 is out already in Europe and my usual shop has it up for demoing. Bad news someone is testing their demo atm so I'll have to wait till he/she returns it. So I won't be able to demo it till somewhere in the end of next week I suppose.....I'll have a run with the 10 V-engine Mid tomorrow though :)

NoBadMojo
01-12-2005, 06:33 AM
stay tuned..i should have mine any day now, and will post something when i have something meaningful. yolkl the t10mp that tW has on special is an excellent value at 100bucks...better check availability. also, if you can find them of any gripsize, you can change the gripsize by swapping out the handle pallet. the Gen2 has been out in Europe for a few months now.

Yolkl
01-14-2005, 05:10 AM
stay tuned..i should have mine any day now, and will post something when i have something meaningful. yolkl the t10mp that tW has on special is an excellent value at 100bucks...better check availability. also, if you can find them of any gripsize, you can change the gripsize by swapping out the handle pallet. the Gen2 has been out in Europe for a few months now.

Will the gen II replace the original ?
$100.00 seems like a liquidation price.
IMO, the G II are gonna have to be awfully nice to pay 2x the current t10mp price.

Mies
01-14-2005, 05:18 AM
A quick look at the Volkl webpage shows that the Tour 10 MP (the old one) is no longer in their list of rackets. So I quess it's been replaced. It will take some time for the stores to deplete their current stock though :)........

Dammit why did some other guy/girl have it in test!!!!!!! I just hit a training session with the tour 10 mid VE, that is also one sweet racket and I prefer it's feel to the RDX 500 mid. However I found it very low powered on groundstrokes (less than RDX 500 mid/LM prestige MID). Might be due to the stringing (TOA gold at high tension). A more flexy string might just bump the power level up a bit. Anyone got some comments on this ? NoBadMojo perhaps? At least I hope so......Anyways I still have my hopes set on the tour 10 MP gen II :)........if that thing sucks, I'll go with the mid and play around with strings.

Regards

NoBadMojo
01-14-2005, 07:34 AM
Mies yes I have hitting experience w. the Volkl T10-VEMid and I agree it is a really sweet frame, and yes, strings and tension are really important like most frames..this is definitely a make your own power frame and people shouldnt be opposed to string it at lower tension ranges w lively string provided they can produce alot of spin on their own for control, because this frame is a little tougher to produce spin with. i used one strung mid range (55-56) w. bi-phase and thought it played great. and yes, both the c10pro and t10mp are being discontinued. stock seems to be very limited on the t10mps

Yolkl
01-14-2005, 08:14 AM
NoMo- Just wanted to thank you for all your help. I appreciate your willingness to answer questions from an admitted novice.

NoBadMojo
01-14-2005, 08:48 AM
no problemo Yolkl....have you picked some frames to demo?

NoBadMojo
01-14-2005, 01:35 PM
I've got my Gen2's. the specs seem as per posted and are marked on the frame. 11.5oz (325gms), 1.3HL(31cm), 20mm, 16x19. terrific finish and classy cosmetics. nice firm synthetic grip. beam width appears a little beefier than the T10mp even though listed the same. this is definitely not a cosmetic change only...this frame clearly has a different feel and balance and also seems a bit beefier in general, but a bit lighter than the T10mp or c10pro...i'm looking forward to taking these out for a spin....will post something after a good hit.

LafayetteHitter
01-14-2005, 02:40 PM
Ed,

Since Volkl is replacing both the C10 and the T10mp with this new Gen 2, I am curious to hear if it resembles the solid feel of the T10mp or the feel of the C10 (which some have described as tinny). My C7pro that I ordered arrived this week and I must say this is a solid hitting racquet, I found a great deal for one on **** and figured I would get it just to give me some idea of an older Volkl racquet. It is not as much a pleasure to hit with as the T10MP. The T10Mp really makes up for some mistakes you might make while striking the ball. When I hit with it I think to myself this is what a racquet is supposed to feel like. My last two racquets I have owned were the RDX500 mid and the LM Prestige MP, and the Tour 10 MP plus is in all ways more forgiving and just a better feeling racquet, simply a pleasure to take out. Again Ed, thanks for turning me on to this gem.

Scott

NoBadMojo
01-14-2005, 03:42 PM
Scott my pleasure..I dont know who told you the C10pro plays tinny..it is in fact, the opposite of tinny..it's soft and cushioned and muted. It's like loafing on your fav old super stuffed easy chair as compared to sitting on metal bleachers..:O.

LafayetteHitter
01-14-2005, 03:46 PM
AndrewD -- in case it helps, I don't think that the C10 has as much power as the T10, and the feel is different. The C10 has a tinny feel that some love, but I hated. The T10 is just a comfortable racket. I wouldn't say that the C10, T10 and LMRad are similar rackets. The feel of each is different, and though I guess you get used to what you play with, I think that if you play tested all three you would prefer the feel of one over the others. Can't say which one it would be for you, but looking at the prices you quote, the T10 looks very good value for a very good racket.

I had read it in this thread earlier as quoted here, first time using quotes though. As far as the Volkl's go Ed, i'm mostly going according to what you post, since everything you have said, I have since experienced with these racquets.

Scott

NoBadMojo
01-14-2005, 03:53 PM
Scott perhaps there was confusion with the names..The Quantum Tour10 could be considered tinny..much of the Quantum series has that tinny feel to it (some may like it..not me) now that's a demanding frame..the Q10Tour

Yolkl
01-14-2005, 04:53 PM
no problemo Yolkl....have you picked some frames to demo?

I actually bought a couple of sticks sight unseen, the X1 and pro #1.
They should arrive next week. In the meantime, I'm still looking for one more to round out the trio. I took a lesson today using the VI classic and had a breakthrough day. The VI fits me like a glove and if I could serve with it, I would own it.
Played doubles afterward with a PD-didn't like it near as much as the VI except for serves.
Tommorrow I'm finallly getting ahold of the VEt10 mp again.
I would be very interested in a comparison between the t10mp,VEt10mp and the genIIt10mp when you get a chance. More than likley, I wll get one of those and "call it a day".

Can't wait to hear all about the gen II !

Rabbit
01-15-2005, 06:30 AM
Let me jump in here. The original Quantum 10 was tinny. It was really light and too stiff, IMO. Volkl came back with the Quantum 10 Tour which was weighted close to what the C10 was. The Q10 Tour was more mainstream a frame than the C10, it was stiffer and had the feel of most other graphite rackets. It wasn't tinny, IMO, and played very solid. It had an 18X20 string pattern and was a good frame. I liked the frame, but nowhere near as much as the C10.

The Tour 10 MP was the follow on to the C10 that never really took the place of the C10 for most users. That's a shame because in many respects, the Tour 10 MP was a better frame than the C10. It fixed many things that were wrong about the C10, most notably the bumper guard. The Tour 10's bumper guard protects the frame like the C10's never did. The Tour 10 was also stiffer in the hoop, but retained that great Volkl feel. The Tour 10 was a stronger frame than the C10 and this fixed another problem specifically for Volkl. Warranty claims ran high on the C10, especially from the younger set. Us old guys have figured out that the racket ain't to blame and consequently we're a little easier on our gear. Unfortunately, we're not the ones who spend the majority of the money.

The Tour 10's balance, as Mojo as pointed out, was also not as headlight. I have looked/compared the specs of the 3 frames, the C10, Tour 10, and Gen II based on TW's specs. It would appear that the Gen II is between the C and Tour in terms of weight, it is more flexible than either (that's exciting to me!), and it's swingweight it lower than either of it's brothers. Mojo can you confirm?

By the by, I have ordered two myself. Hell, I couldn't resist. It's a 21st Century looking C10! Also, the Gen II has been available in Europe for quite some time. Novak has been playing with one since early last year I think.

Yolkl
01-15-2005, 06:46 AM
Did Novak provide any feedback on the Gen II ?

NoBadMojo
01-15-2005, 07:10 AM
Rabbit it is said that Jiri Novak is still using his T10mp's .....errrr.....arrrrrr..is it a c10 painted like a T1omp, but now painted like a Gen2? who knows.....he may still be using the T10MP but I do know that there are a few WTA pros who have embraced the T10MP-VE..it's pretty hard to disguise that one in paint. I look to what the WTA players are using, and that is often a good indication what people like us should be using, for none of us hit it like the ATP pros. I think your eval of the 10series frames is just right. I'll post something about the specs of the Gen2 when I get a chance to have a dance with her..think you confirm specs by playing with racquets, not looking them up....weather not so good in sunny FLa this day.

Rabbit
01-15-2005, 07:48 AM
I would assume that Novak is playing with the Gen II. The specs are close enough that it appears to be the successor to the kingdom. That's the funny thing about rackets, there appears to be a couple of lines that a) are constant, and b) other manufacturers try to emulate. The best example of this is the Head Prestige. It has been around in one form or another for a bunch of years. Wilson had/has the ROK, or something similar, Volkl has the T10 Mid, Dunlop's 200G is close. The C10 is unique in the industry, closest thing I saw was the Wilson frame that was lighter, I can't remember the name. Most every manufacturer has a version of the Pure Drive now too.

You're right about the specs. It all depends on the hit. I'm looking forward to mine as well. I hope they play somewhere between the Tour 10 and the C10. If they do, then they're keepers.

Django
01-15-2005, 10:40 AM
My only concern about the Gen2 is the balance point -- supposedly a whopping 9 points headlight. The C10, apparently 8 pointts headlight, makes up for that w/ a hefty weight. (The Tour 10 MP is lighter that the C10 but "makes up for it" with a balance shifted closer to midpoint.) But if the Gen2 is a tad lighter than the C10 and even MORE flexible, won't there be a dropoff in power/swingweight?

NoBadMojo
01-15-2005, 11:54 AM
django i wouldnt be too concerned about specs..they're only specs....a guideline, and there seem to always be conflicts about which specs are right. balancewise, these swing somewhere between the t10 and c10 but are lower swingweighted than both....they've a substantial feel to them, but seem easy to move. it's how they hit that counts obviously..i think this frame is just a nice tweaking to maximize performance.....some of the old <fiberglass> and some of the new........i have a hit tomorrow, and will post something after.

johnathan smith
01-15-2005, 12:16 PM
EdO,
Do you know where I can find a few c-10 pros?
Drop me an email:
jwhtennis777@yahoo.com
Thanks, JS

BreakPoint
01-15-2005, 12:25 PM
By the by, I have ordered two myself. Hell, I couldn't resist. It's a 21st Century looking C10! Also, the Gen II has been available in Europe for quite some time.

Rabbit,
I thought you were getting along pretty well with the nSix-One Tour 90's, no? Are you thinking of going back to the Volkls? I know you used to use a C10, but have you ever used the Tour 10 MP over any length of time? Is the honeymoon with the nSix-One Tour 90's over now?

LafayetteHitter
01-15-2005, 12:48 PM
Ed,

What tension and string setup have you favored in the T10MP. Just wondering since I have a couple of them now, I will try one at mid tension for starters with an all multi job first, and second one whatever your recommendation is.

Scott

BreakPoint
01-15-2005, 02:07 PM
NoBadMojo,
Just wondering how you were able to get your T10 MP GenII's so early? Did you order them from TW? The TW page says it won't be available until Feb. 1st. Thanks.

Django
01-15-2005, 04:08 PM
Is it just me? Or does anyone else think it's absolutely RUDE to ask about other tennis retailers and the prices they charge when you're posting on a message board hosted by Tennis Warehouse?

BreakPoint
01-15-2005, 05:40 PM
Sorry about that. The reason why I asked about the price was that I have a suspecion that he may have gotten them from Europe since they are not available in the U.S. yet, and was wondering if they are more there. And if he did indeed get them in the U.S., I was just checking to see what the MSRP may be. TW tends to sell Volkls at MSRP, but not always, so by comparing it with others, I would get a better sense of what the MSRP may be. This is also because the MSRP on the T10 VE MP is $180, so was wondering why the Gen II is $20 cheaper? (The recent trend has been increase in prices of new models of player's racquets, e.g., nSix-One Tour vs. Tour 90 vs. PS 6.0, LM Prestige vs. i.Prestige, etc.)

Don't worry, if I do buy the Gen II, I'll be buying them through TW.

Rabbit
01-16-2005, 08:48 AM
Rabbit,
I thought you were getting along pretty well with the nSix-One Tour 90's, no? Are you thinking of going back to the Volkls? I know you used to use a C10, but have you ever used the Tour 10 MP over any length of time? Is the honeymoon with the nSix-One Tour 90's over now?


I have gone back to my Volkls. The Wilson is a good frame and volleys exceedingly well, great feedback and touch. Unfortunately, I just didn't have the confidence off the ground with the frame that I do with the C10. I asked myself why I would go through trying to relearn a frame when I've got something that is as close to tailor made for me as I'll get. My answer was "I won't".

I used the Tour 10 MP for about 7 months. I sold them when I decided to go back to wood a couple of summers ago. I really liked the Tour 10 for many of the same reasons that Mojo has mentioned. While I love the feel of the C10, the additional stiffness in the upper hoop of the Tour 10 made the frame respond better on harder hit balls. I still consider the Tour 10 a tweaking of the C10 and overall probably a better product. But, since I had sold mine and had some C10s, I figured I'd just go back to them.

NoBadMojo
01-16-2005, 09:29 AM
JS, you can buy some c10pros right here at Tennis Warehouse I think. Scott, i like my t10mp's strung right at 60 w. gut hybrid. this frame responds really well to various tensions and is pretty powerful at mid range and lower IMO. sorry cant advise you much on tension since i dont know your game. the suggested range is 50-60. if you were using another MP sized frame, you may wish to start at the same tension you were using before so you have a good ref point, and then tweak your setup. Yes I think BP was being rude.it isnt any of his business on top of what Django sez, not to mention that buying from Europe in USD's is pretty dumb these days with the exchange rate being so unfavourable. the MSRP on this frame is 180, so BP is also wrong about that too, and is also likely wrong about the MSRP on the T10MP-VE. besides, what does MSRP have to do with much anyway

BreakPoint
01-16-2005, 12:26 PM
Well, NBMJ, that answers my question. The MSRP is $180. That's what I was trying to figure out. Same as the MSRP on the T10VE MP. I know that because I know a pro shop that sells all of their Volkls at exactly MSRP and that's what they sell the T10VE MP's for.

BTW, since Volkl is a European company, you are ultimately buying in Euros anyway since they have to convert your dollars into Euros when they repatriate those profits from U.S. sales. They will eventually be forced to raise prices if the dollar gets any weaker.

It's OK if you wish not to disclose how you got your GenII's so early, just say so. I was just curious. This is a forum to ask questions after all. No need to give me a hard time over it.

NoBadMojo
01-16-2005, 02:31 PM
i dont think it fair for a poster to state that TW sells at MSRP when they, in fact, discount, and (seem to) often price at the lowest allowable price as suggested/dictated by the manufacturer. also, while Volkl is indeed a European company, the manufacturer(s) is/are located in China, and what's the point of the bad economics lecture anywho? thought we were talking about tennis racquets. i think this is a forum to ask reasonable questions and not inconsiderate none of your business questions, and people can pick and choose what they respond to. i am trying hard not to give anyone a hard time here...i'm just trying to be sure good info gets parsed. have a nice day.

NoBadMojo
01-16-2005, 02:57 PM
Had a hit with the Gen2 today. This is one really really sweet bat! It's a little more of everything, and all of the 'older school' feel you can wish for. It's a frame for the modern game, but with a very traditional feel. For those of you knowing the sensation of a fiberglass hit, this has that, but has the juice you need. It swings a hair lighter than the T10MP, and noticeably easier to get headspeed on the serve, so for those of you turned off by the difficulty of serving w. the T10MP, the gen2 takes care of this..the frame plays closer to the T10 than it does the C10, but feels softer yet not noodley like the c10. This frame is really good at everything. it doesnt feel so headlight..nothing like the C10 and more like the T10 except just a hair more headlight. I would recommend this frame very highly..Volkl really did get it right, and this is a very worthy replacement for the c10 and t10 IMO. the only mod i needed for me is a leather grip. think it would be sweet if it came stock w. that nice volkl leather grip. i noticed more work on my volleys and serve, and from the ground i felt i could take long swings and mix up the power and spins.

BHud
01-16-2005, 02:59 PM
Don't go there NBM...stay focused...I look forward to your review of the Gen IIs!

Yolkl
01-16-2005, 03:36 PM
MoJO-How does the Gen II compare to the VEt10 ?

SliceServe
01-16-2005, 03:44 PM
Ed,

Where are you feeling the flex on this frame? More in the shaft or the upper hoop?

I found it curious that your original specs had the RDC at 58 (strung) and TW has it at 61 (strung). Although this may seem "piddly" to most, my elbow can feel the diff. The Cat10 was around a 58 or 59 RDC but balls hit high on the string bed killed my elbow. That frame had a very stiff upper hoop. Wondering how the Gen2 compares.

Thanks
-slice

LafayetteHitter
01-16-2005, 03:47 PM
I have heard that the msrp will most likely be 189.99 so the TW price seems like a very good price. Never know with these msrp's until the item actually arrives I think.

Scott

NoBadMojo
01-16-2005, 04:12 PM
lol BHud..i'm trying. i just think a disservice was done to TW here and wished to set the record straight. Scott the MSRP on this frame is 180. slice i would recommend this frame to anyone sufffering from some sort of repetitive use injury..this frame is very comfortable. of course, if you dont sweetspot it, it feels less than perfect like anyframe, but the sweetspot is very generous. flexwise, i really wasnt able to sense any particular point where the frame was flexing, but today was a chilly day...i may be able to later. it had enough firmness in the hoop where if you hit too high you still got some action on the ball. it's just a nice comfortable frame and loads of ball feel..it plays very soft within the sweetspot. yolkl, the gen2 swings a bit easier than it's v-engine brother, serves easier, and volleys with more control and feel, the vE version has more power, feels firmer in the throat, and is better from the backcourt if you are a baseline banger..the gen2 plays like a MP frame but with a really big sweetspot and the VE plays a bit like an oversized frame and with that comes a less precise stringbed. so i would recommend the VE for the baseliner and the gen2 for all kinds of play.

Yolkl
01-16-2005, 04:22 PM
Nomo-Thank you for the comparison. That's very helpful.
I noticed that the Gen II and Fischer Pro #1 have nearly identical
specs. Did you notice any similarities ?

BreakPoint
01-16-2005, 05:50 PM
NBMJ,
Thanks for the comparisons. I have two T10MP's and have hit many times with the T10VE MP. I have not used my T10MP's as much as my PS 6.0 95's because, as an all-court player, I just find I prefer a more headlight racquet. It sounds like the GenII could solve that problem as you said it is indeed more headlight than the T10MP. You mentioned that the GenII plays softer than the T10MP but would you say it also plays softer than the T10VE MP?

BTW, I never said that TW sells ALL racquets at MSRP. My exact words were "TW tends to sell Volkls at MSRP, but not always". At least the Volkls that I'm interested in. The T10MP sold for its MSRP price of $169 until recently when it was discontinued, and the T10VE MP still sells for its MSRP price of $179. So it is quite interesting that TW would sell the GenII for $20 below MSRP, that's all. That was the gist of my point and the reason I was interested in what the MSRP was. I don't see how this was a disservice to TW or rude for that matter. In fact, it should encourage more people to buy from TW.

Also, I agree no need to discuss economics here. I have an MBA from an Ivy League university and have worked in international business for many, many years including in China. Yes, the manufacturing is in China, but since the company is based in Europe, it must show profits in Euros to their shareholders (not sure if the company is listed on an European exchange or not), so they must convert all of their overseas profits into Euros at the end of each accounting period. That's why you don't see Wal-Mart report their earnings in Chinese RMB even though virtually all of their manufacturing is in China. They must report in US dollars. Just as BMW reports their earnings in Euros even though a significant portion of their worldwide sales is in the U.S. OK, that's enough economics. Let's get back to the GenII.

NoBadMojo
01-16-2005, 06:08 PM
Yolkl there are similarities to the pro1 in the way they swing and play. both do everything well, but the T10mp got my vote because it did everything just a little better for me, and now the Gen2 does everything a little better for me than the T10MP. The Pro1 is a classic..a great stick, but i have a problem w. swinging a bat that isnt a full 27"..kind of like i got cheated somehow ;O....if anything i would favour the 1/4" longer than the slightly shorter. in short, i got less action on my shots w. the Pro1, but if you rip the ball, it's a great choice.

Django
01-16-2005, 08:13 PM
NBM, thanks a heap for the reviews. (And thanks for laying off the tiresome MSRP discussion and letting BP have his last word.) I'm drooling that the Gen2 seems to make needed improvements over my C10. With a slightly stiffer hoop, and a slightly larger sweetspot, it makes up for the very minor weaknesses of the C10. I'm pleasantly surprised that the Gen2 doesn't play TOO headlight. Can't wait for a hit! I found that my initial misgivings about the C10's "mushy" feel were all-but-alleviated by switching from a 16-gauge to a thinner 17-gauge multifilament, which gave them better bite and snap on the ball. I'd probably continue that, with a 57-pound tension (for starters). What do you think? And finally, are you considering the switch to a Fairway for weight/balance purposes? Or do you just like the feel of leather?

NoBadMojo
01-16-2005, 08:38 PM
Django, suggest that when you get your Gen2, you string it precisely how you liked your C10's the best..that way you will get a true indication of how the frames differ. you can always tweak from there. am using leather for both feel and liking headlight.

RedGinseng
01-17-2005, 02:14 AM
The Specs look promising. A little bigger headsize, a little less weight, a little more flexible than my current racquet. Moreover, NBM's words after the first hit. I want to switch to it if possible but money is the problem Grrrr I will stick to the 6.0 but NBM keep us updated.

kv581
01-17-2005, 09:01 AM
Hmm... TW's page doesn't mention anything about fiberglass in Gen2's composition. It says Titanium/Lite Carbon/High Mod Graphite. Which one is right?

Yolkl
01-17-2005, 09:05 AM
Mojo-Thanks again for filling us in. The Gen II sounds too good to be true.
I hit again with the vet10 mid yesterday and that stick is really growing on me. It's just a blast to hit with, to the point where longballs are far less annoyng than normal.

For someone such as myself who is transitioning into using mostly topspin, gen II's (16/19)string pattern will probably be the deciding factor in choosing the Gen II over the VE.

So that will give me an X1,Pro 1 & gen II in my bag. Spec-wise these are all pretty close. The biggest difference is stiffness of the X1. I'll be interested to see if any of these pull ahead of the pack in singles or doubles.

NoBadMojo
01-17-2005, 09:06 AM
graphite/fiberglass layup is correct. pure fibre technology. i let chris at TW know about this mistake.

JoostT
01-17-2005, 09:15 AM
Hmm... TW's page doesn't mention anything about fiberglass in Gen2's composition. It says Titanium/Lite Carbon/High Mod Graphite. Which one is right?
from the volkl site:
- Head Size: 630 cm2 / 98 inch2
- String pattern: 16 x 19 PCP
- Weight: 325 g / 11.5 oz
- Cross section: 20 mm
- Carbon, Fiberglass, Power RAP
- Precise Frame
- Length: 68.5 cm / 27 inches
- Pro Gear Grip
- Sensor Tour Handle System