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TNT
12-22-2004, 01:37 PM
Every one of these sold for $450 almost 3 times the TW price. Maybe TW is putting in the wrong orders for tennis racquets. Three of them sold for $450 one was pulled off **** (sold without **** getting its cut) and the fifth is still up for grabs.

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http://cgi.*********.au/ws/****ISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2917&item=71207513 93&rd=1
http://cgi.*********/ws/****ISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=66831&item=7114427 027
http://cgi.*********/ws/****ISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=66831&item=7118356 203
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ferrari_827
12-22-2004, 01:45 PM
Noticed there were 0 bidders. No fool would pay that much for a paint job.

finchy
12-22-2004, 03:08 PM
no they didnt. they got them in a special deal with wilson. wilson was most likely "cleaning inventory" getting ready for the ncode paintjobs. people who bought them from TW are merely taking advantage of the situation.

btw, squashingtopictitles likethismakepeople likememad or what.

TNT
12-22-2004, 08:06 PM
true true but this brings about a very important point. now that TW knows what sells and since they were able to bring back the Prestice Classic 600 why can't they reach a deal with Wilson and since the racquets are being produced anyway why can't they sell them to the public???????????

finchy
12-22-2004, 08:34 PM
okay... your question just lost me...why cant them bring back paintjobs?

simply because we arent "endorsed" to play with their racquets. the atp players are. the paintjobs are made for the pros. we just get the leftovers.

PrestigeClassic
12-22-2004, 08:51 PM
Why would TW lose money? They set the price. They sold every unit at that price in just a few days' time.

TNT, the rackets are not being sold to the public. The Tour 90 isn't even production, so neither are the paintjobs. However, the newer nCode Tour is currently being made. One small detail: a nCode Tour probably costs less to make than the 6.0 85, like all other rackets Wilson made up until releasing the nCode Tour. So Wilson would not make as much money in releasing a 6.0 85 with nCode Tour paintjob as it would with the normal nCode Tour. It would take revenue-generating sales away from the real nCode Tour and in turn sell some paintjobs at a loss. What makes these paintjobs so valuable in the first place is their low supply. Talk about Wilson shooting themselves in the foot if this paintjob is released like you want it to be. Besides, TW already continues to offer a now discontinued racket--The 6.0 85 with a great paintjob--That of the 6.0 85.

BreakPoint
12-22-2004, 09:11 PM
It absolutely AMAZES me that people would pay this kind of money for a paintjob. I mean, if I took a masterpiece like an authentic Van Gogh and painted all over it, would it be worth more money?

OK, some people will say, it's because of the rarity of it. Well, I guess that must mean I can take a brand new PS 6.0 85 and paint it neon green and it should sell for $1,000 on ****, since that will be the only neon green PS 6.0 85 in the world, whereas, there's at least a couple of hundred with Tour 90 paintjobs out there.

It's the same freaking racquet!! Who cares what kind of paintjob is on the racquet? The last time I checked, the paint on your racquet doesn't help you hit a better backhand. :lol:

As they say: "A fool and his money are soon departed....." :lol: :roll:

finchy
12-22-2004, 09:23 PM
lol breakpoint, that is very true.

i wonder if there is any real authentication that these were official paintjobs from wilson though. that might bump up the price quite a bit.

PrestigeClassic
12-22-2004, 09:30 PM
Are you saying that a person with their art supplies could have painted the racket as good as Wilson did? A counterfeit paintjob?

finchy
12-22-2004, 09:41 PM
possibly prestige. you never know. there are strange people in this world....

TNT
12-23-2004, 06:43 AM
my point is that why do they have two production lines one for touring pros one for the general public. Wouldn't it be more cost effective to fuse the two since a lot of people know the the Tour 90 and currently the nCode 90 are not the racquets tour players play with. On the other hand none of us really know if the racquets underneath the paintjobs are really PS 85 with the kevlar/graphite comp, or has anyone done a chemical composition analysis on them?????

andfor
12-23-2004, 08:55 AM
Smoke and mirrors boys. Remember, truth and marketing does not always go hand in hand. i.e. Vioxx, cigarette companies, the Pinto, Firestone tires on the Ford Explorer, Dow Chemicals, Prince NGX, etc., etc.

Baseline
12-23-2004, 09:06 AM
I'm one of the people that got one of the "Tour 95's", which in actuality, is a 6.0, 95 with the Tour 90 paint job. I e-mailed Don, and he e-mailed back and verified that it was, indeed, a racquet which had been mailed to TW by mistake, and was intended for one of Wilson's touring pros. He offered to exchange one of the real Tour 95's or if I preferred, I could keep it as kind of a "very few made" racquet. I chose to keep the racquet, and the letter to verify what it is, and have never hit with it. So I definitely have proof that there is indeed such a thing as a "paint job."

Brian Purdie
12-23-2004, 09:45 AM
I sold 2 of them for $450 each-- New, plastic on the handle. There are morons listing theirs for $450 having already strung the racquet and taking the plastic off the handle, but only one sold. One guy couldn't even get $300 AD ($232 USD) for a gently used one. I bought these fulling expecting to use them, and actually put up the 1st one as a longshot. I figured if anyone wanted one, they deserved to pay that much. After I got that much for the first, I sold out to get rid of the second. It's going for the same price as a St. Vincent. Even I know that's ridiculous!

BreakPoint
12-23-2004, 12:17 PM
my point is that why do they have two production lines one for touring pros one for the general public.

I really don't think there are two production lines. All these Wilson Pro Staff racquets are probably made in the same factory in China. All they have to do is take a few of the PS 6.0 85's and bring them over to the section of the plant where they paint the Tour 90's and have them paint it just like any other Tour 90. Simple as that. :wink:

perfmode
12-23-2004, 12:51 PM
possibly prestige. you never know. there are strange people in this world....

Yea because Wilson would agree to sell bootleg PS85 paintjobs to Tennis Warehouse.

finchy
12-23-2004, 02:43 PM
i was talking about **** perfmode.

Brian Purdie
12-23-2004, 03:07 PM
a bootleg paintjob? no way. those things are impossible. We've been hitting up the experts on this board to help us paint our rackets for the last three years wihout anyone with a solid result. I think it was michael chaco who attempted to make an all red racket with an almost decent result. The detail would be near impossible to pull off, much less the paint on the racket itself. It's cheap to make a fake rolex. It takes no skill to put together a faux Louis Vuitton bag, but for the money I don't think it would be worth it to make fake paintjobs.

david aames
12-23-2004, 03:09 PM
Somebody got to put his money where his mouth his (play with the thing) and still managed to get the same amount of cash you got. Does that really make him a 'moron'?

I sold 2 of them for $450 each-- New, plastic on the handle. There are morons listing theirs for $450 having already strung the racquet and taking the plastic off the handle, but only one sold.

Brian Purdie
12-23-2004, 03:20 PM
it's the same racket. I didn't miss anything :)

david aames
12-23-2004, 03:25 PM
How do you know? ;)

it's the same racket. I didn't miss anything

TW Staff
12-23-2004, 03:51 PM
We took specs of the racquets. They were well within spec tolerance of the regular production models. The only difference was the paint.

Chris, TW.

Aykhan Mammadov
12-25-2004, 05:17 PM
Sorry, can you clarify. Do the new Pro staff 6.0 have completely the same paint job as Tour 90 ?

MNJEEPJEEP
12-28-2004, 07:34 PM
Maybe nobody knows this... but I could call wilson today and get a SKU of whatever I wanted if I could order 400-500 or more of one frame... like maybe a HPS 6.0 painted like the Courier Stars and Stripes frame... maybe slap my name on em... sell them on **** :-) I wonder sometimes if "somebody" doesnt just get a SKU made up of players frames that they know would sell if they marketed them as "paint job" style frames... actually now that I think about it... tenniswarehouse should make their own versions of some frames.. that might be cool... like have some SKU's done up of older frames that people liked... but with newer graphics... Bryan Bro's style.

PrestigeClassic
12-28-2004, 08:18 PM
Again, paintjobs like this would not sell if the supply is increased by so much. Also, Wilson might have issues realeasing a few hundred frames where they paint old cosmetics of such a historically low-seller in place of much more current cosmetics of such a historically high seller. Also, the Surge cosmetic is for the dogs. Wilson may as well modify said paintjobs with a caption: Go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Sorry, but I wouldn't expect to see such a thing even in hell.

Still, it is interesting just how much people pay attention to the paintjob: moreso than the frame composition or anything important like that. A 6.0 85 with the Tour 90 cosmetic was nothing more than a 6.0 85 with the Tour 90 cosmetic. But somewhere in the middle people get those moving spirals in their eyes like on some weird movies with bad special affects.

Gaines Hillix
12-29-2004, 07:14 AM
Maybe nobody knows this... but I could call wilson today and get a SKU of whatever I wanted if I could order 400-500 or more of one frame... like maybe a HPS 6.0 painted like the Courier Stars and Stripes frame... maybe slap my name on em... sell them on **** :-) I wonder sometimes if "somebody" doesnt just get a SKU made up of players frames that they know would sell if they marketed them as "paint job" style frames... actually now that I think about it... tenniswarehouse should make their own versions of some frames.. that might be cool... like have some SKU's done up of older frames that people liked... but with newer graphics... Bryan Bro's style.

You're on the right track. Manufacturers make special deals. They are called Special Makeup Units or SMU's. You see them in the big box stores all the time(aka Prince Force 3's). If TW wanted to order enough units I am sure Wilson would oblige unless the racquet they wanted conflicted with their marketing plans.

Ray Wong
12-29-2004, 11:33 PM
How do you guys think Wilson revive 1000 of Ultra 2 for Japanese market?