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Rickson
02-17-2008, 10:05 AM
Just as expected, Kimbo had an easy time with Tank. Kimbo's powerful punches were too much for Tank and he went down quickly in the first round after eating his final punch that sent him to the canvas face first. Kimbo is clearly a hard puncher, but we already knew that from his internet fights. You can't send in a washed up fighter and proclaim that Kimbo is for real. Send Kimbo in against Nogueira or even Heath Herring and if he can beat them, I'll believe he's for real. Now they're talking about Ken Shamrock as Kimbo's next opponent. Please! Stop feeding Kimbo bad fighters and washed up fighters. Even if Kimbo beats Ken, nobody with true mma knowledge will believe he's for real.

35ft6
02-17-2008, 10:24 AM
I'd like to see Kimbo fight Alexander Houston. I wonder if he'll sell his soul to the UFC anytime soon.

This fight was awful. Tank was winded after 10 seconds. I was really hoping for something better. It looked like he came in with a game plan, to take Kimbo down, but that went out the window in the same time it took to get him winded. If nothing else, would have liked to have seen how Kimbo could take a flush Tank hay maker.

Rickson
02-17-2008, 10:29 AM
I'd like to see Kimbo fight Alexander Houston. I wonder if he'll sell his soul to the UFC anytime soon.

This fight was awful. Tank was winded after 10 seconds. I was really hoping for something better. It looked like he came in with a game plan, to take Kimbo down, but that went out the window in the same time it took to get him winded. If nothing else, would have liked to have seen how Kimbo could take a flush Tank hay maker.

Kimbo can take a shot as we saw against Gannon. That's why I'd like to see Kimbo take on a real mma opponent because even though punching is Kimbo's specialty, Gannon beat Kimbo with punching only rules. Imagine how badly Gannon would have beaten Kimbo if he were allowed to grapple as well! Kimbo can take a shot, but as we saw against Gannon, Kimbo gasses out at some point. I believe that a prime Ken Shamrock would have destroyed Kimbo, but let's face it, Ken's washed up. I think Dana White can draw Kimbo away from EliteXC at some point, but until then, maybe EXC will keep spoon feeding Kimbo.

35ft6
02-17-2008, 10:43 AM
^ If Gannon and Kimbo fought again, which would actually be a fight that presents some very unique and awesome marketing possibilities, I'd put my money on Kimbo. He looks to be a real quick study, and Bas Rutten says his work ethic is phenomenal. He's a different fighter now and by all accounts he's taking MMA very seriously.

In that Gannon fight, if I remember correctly, Kimbo was the more impressive fighter, but Gannon had the technical advantage. But after having trained a year, I'm sure by now the technical advantage is moot. At the end, Kimbo gassed by Gannon was way more damaged, in the MMA ring, Kimbo would have more opportunities to finish him off with his new skills.

But forget Gannon, who was 0-1 or something, you're right, he still hasn't fought anybody legit. Although I hate the monopoly the UFC is creating, and I hate the way they promote the biggest draws, not necessarily the best fights, I'd like to see Kimbo in the UFC. Every matchup would be intriguing. Kimbo versus Crocop... or Jardine... Arlavski... Kongo... the intriguing matchups are limitless with this guy. He's still got the mystique. But I'd like to get a real sense of how good he is. Right now he's getting the freak show matchups for the most part.

Hot Sauce
02-17-2008, 11:53 AM
^ If Gannon and Kimbo fought again, which would actually be a fight that presents some very unique and awesome marketing possibilities, I'd put my money on Kimbo. He looks to be a real quick study, and Bas Rutten says his work ethic is phenomenal. He's a different fighter now and by all accounts he's taking MMA very seriously.

In that Gannon fight, if I remember correctly, Kimbo was the more impressive fighter, but Gannon had the technical advantage. But after having trained a year, I'm sure by now the technical advantage is moot. At the end, Kimbo gassed by Gannon was way more damaged, in the MMA ring, Kimbo would have more opportunities to finish him off with his new skills.

But forget Gannon, who was 0-1 or something, you're right, he still hasn't fought anybody legit. Although I hate the monopoly the UFC is creating, and I hate the way they promote the biggest draws, not necessarily the best fights, I'd like to see Kimbo in the UFC. Every matchup would be intriguing. Kimbo versus Crocop... or Jardine... Arlavski... Kongo... the intriguing matchups are limitless with this guy. He's still got the mystique. But I'd like to get a real sense of how good he is. Right now he's getting the freak show matchups for the most part.

I like this post. I think if you put Kimbo in the ring with Gannon today, Kimbo would win. The Kimbo vs Tank fight was a pretty weak display on Tank's part, although it was expected. They're trying to build Kimbo up by giving him old fighters, which I don't mind that much since he is a guy I've liked since his first internet fight. As 35ft6 said, the match ups with him are very nice on paper. You could put him in with a striker to see if he could pound away, or with a submission expert to really test his diversity.

Rickson
02-17-2008, 01:55 PM
You could put him in with a striker to see if he could pound away, or with a submission expert to really test his diversity.

Do you really think Kimbo would last one round against Rickson? Rickson would submit Kimbo in seconds.









Why do I feel like Tarzan?

Hot Sauce
02-17-2008, 02:27 PM
Do you really think Kimbo would last one round against Rickson? Rickson would submit Kimbo in seconds.









Why do I feel like Tarzan?

Rickson's last fight was 8 years ago. Of course a Rickson in his prime would destroy Kimbo. Does it need to be said?

Rickson
02-17-2008, 02:44 PM
Rickson's last fight was 8 years ago. Of course a Rickson in his prime would destroy Kimbo. Does it need to be said?

I mean Rickson right now.

Hot Sauce
02-17-2008, 06:15 PM
OK Rickson fanboy.

Rickson
02-17-2008, 06:25 PM
Don't spoil a thread like last time when you were fantasizing over what I look like.

Brettolius
02-17-2008, 07:12 PM
You guys have way more knowledge than I about MMA, but I do like to watch it. Anyway, what would you say about Brock Lesnar vs. Kimbo? Seems like an interesting matchup from the perspective of it being basically 2 unproven brutes going toe to toe. Both having pretty good power. If nothing else it would be fun to see, better than a washed up Tank getting beat down in 30 seconds. Thoughts?

35ft6
02-17-2008, 07:20 PM
^ I would love to see Brock Lesnar vs. Kimbo. It wouldn't surprise me if Brock just steam rolled Kimbo.

I wonder what UFC would do with Kimbo. They want their fighters to seem bad***** but they're really trying to gain mainstream respectability, they don't want people thinking it's barbarism, so Kimbo could kind of hurt them. There's some really brutal fight footage of Kimbo online, plus he's an ex con and involved in the porn industry, a storyline that the mainstream news would probably love to run with all day long.

Leelord337
02-17-2008, 07:38 PM
Just as expected, Kimbo had an easy time with Tank. Kimbo's powerful punches were too much for Tank and he went down quickly in the first round after eating his final punch that sent him to the canvas face first. Kimbo is clearly a hard puncher, but we already knew that from his internet fights. You can't send in a washed up fighter and proclaim that Kimbo is for real. Send Kimbo in against Nogueira or even Heath Herring and if he can beat them, I'll believe he's for real. Now they're talking about Ken Shamrock as Kimbo's next opponent. Please! Stop feeding Kimbo bad fighters and washed up fighters. Even if Kimbo beats Ken, nobody with true mma knowledge will believe he's for real.

didn't that cop, sean gannon beat kimbo? http://youtube.com/watch?v=gD5Oh2bHMvw

Leelord337
02-17-2008, 07:53 PM
Just as expected, Kimbo had an easy time with Tank. Kimbo's powerful punches were too much for Tank and he went down quickly in the first round after eating his final punch that sent him to the canvas face first. Kimbo is clearly a hard puncher, but we already knew that from his internet fights. You can't send in a washed up fighter and proclaim that Kimbo is for real. Send Kimbo in against Nogueira or even Heath Herring and if he can beat them, I'll believe he's for real. Now they're talking about Ken Shamrock as Kimbo's next opponent. Please! Stop feeding Kimbo bad fighters and washed up fighters. Even if Kimbo beats Ken, nobody with true mma knowledge will believe he's for real.

here's a video. It was so one sided. http://youtube.com/watch?v=2G0pBHeJMkU

Hot Sauce
02-17-2008, 08:22 PM
Don't spoil a thread like last time when you were fantasizing over what I look like.

Don't spoil your undies fantasizing over Rickson's body.

Rickson
02-17-2008, 09:20 PM
Don't spoil your undies fantasizing over Rickson's body.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, undies! You're so Canadian.

Hot Sauce
02-17-2008, 10:36 PM
Hehe. Laughing is so fun!

Rickson
02-17-2008, 10:51 PM
We just call them boxers around here.

latinking
02-18-2008, 05:11 AM
Does the UFC, have any rules about facail hair? I know in Boxing Kimbo would never be allowed to fight with that bread, it is belived that it cusions the blows to the chin. I have seen boxers complain about stubble, he has a Santa beard. IMO, it does cusion some of the impact on the chin.

Any of you guys know if UFC, or MMA in general, has a rule for this? I can't think of any other fighters with a huge beard like his.

Kobble
02-18-2008, 09:52 AM
Looks like Tank isn't even training like he used to. Much less muscle on that frame.

scotus
02-18-2008, 03:34 PM
Does the UFC, have any rules about facail hair? I know in Boxing Kimbo would never be allowed to fight with that bread, it is belived that it cusions the blows to the chin. I have seen boxers complain about stubble, he has a Santa beard. IMO, it does cusion some of the impact on the chin.

Any of you guys know if UFC, or MMA in general, has a rule for this? I can't think of any other fighters with a huge beard like his.

No rules, but any significant amount of hair can be used against you. Just ask anyone who saw the first UFC bout between Royce Gracie and Kimo.

Rickson
02-18-2008, 03:42 PM
No rules, but any significant amount of hair can be used against you. Just ask anyone who saw the first UFC bout between Royce Gracie and Kimo.

Hair pulling is not allowed anymore. Royce was definitely an opportunist (cheat) and he took advantage of Kimo's ponytail, but those days of hair pulling and groin shots are long over. The UFC actually has rules now and no hair pulling is definitely one of them.

CanadianChic
02-18-2008, 03:49 PM
Damn Ricky!! I had taped this match and was hoping to catch it later. I thought about it all day even.

35ft6
02-18-2008, 04:14 PM
Does the UFC, have any rules about facail hair? I know in Boxing Kimbo would never be allowed to fight with that bread, it is belived that it cusions the blows to the chin. I have seen boxers complain about stubble, he has a Santa beard. IMO, it does cusion some of the impact on the chin.I've wondered about that a few times too. I thought there might be some kind of rule about beards. Lately, I thought somebody in UFC with a beard, too. Seems like a really *****ly stubble could be "accidentally" rubbed on an opponents eyes in a clinch. Not sure what the official rule is but I'm sure you can google it pretty easily.

GRANITECHIEF
02-18-2008, 04:21 PM
I watched the Youtube version of the fight. It was pretty good, all 40 seconds or it.

I still want to see someone that can push Kimbo at least a little longer than 1 round. Houston Alexander was a good suggestion, as that would be some good standup. But now we have to wait like 3 months or more to see.

scotus
02-18-2008, 04:39 PM
Hair pulling is not allowed anymore. Royce was definitely an opportunist (cheat) and he took advantage of Kimo's ponytail, but those days of hair pulling and groin shots are long over. The UFC actually has rules now and no hair pulling is definitely one of them.

Wow, they now have rules about everything!

Rickson
02-18-2008, 04:50 PM
Damn Ricky!! I had taped this match and was hoping to catch it later. I thought about it all day even.

Oh really? Who was on the undercard?

Leelord337
02-18-2008, 05:58 PM
I watched the Youtube version of the fight. It was pretty good, all 40 seconds or it.

I still want to see someone that can push Kimbo at least a little longer than 1 round. Houston Alexander was a good suggestion, as that would be some good standup. But now we have to wait like 3 months or more to see.

Sean Gannon beat Kimbo

Rickson
02-18-2008, 06:08 PM
I think Gannon can still beat Kimbo and he'd have an easier time doing it because it would be mma. They handcuffed Gannon when they fought by turning into a punching only fight. Gannon could not knee, elbow, or grapple because Kimbo was a limited fighter at the time, not that he isn't now. Mark my words, Kimbo would go down against any halfway decent mma fighter and would get crushed by Nogueira and Fedor. Kimbo's not a true mma heavyweight contender. Kimbo's a novelty to whom they're spoon feeding scrubs and has beens.

Hot Sauce
02-18-2008, 06:42 PM
If I recall correctly Gannon threw in a couple knees even though the rules were against it. Could it have changed the outcome? I don't know, I'd have to watch the fight again.

Rickson
02-18-2008, 08:18 PM
If Kimbo can beat Tim Sylvia, Heath Herring, Brandon Vera, or Mirko Filipovic, I'll believe he's for real. These are all fighters who are on their way down and are considered mid level heavyweights atm. Look at Antonio Silva for example. Antonio was on the same card as Kimbo and they hyped him up to be the next big thing in the HW division. He fights an out of shape Ricco and his true skills are revealed; Antonio's not that good. Did you see the belly on Ricco? Why don't they just pit Kimbo with Antonio and see what happens from there? If Kimbo beats a mid level hw like Antonio and he's definitely no better than mid level despite Showtime's claims, Kimbo will be considered somewhat legit. If you see Kimbo fight another has been or a scrub, you'll know EXC is just looking for one big pay day because they know Kimbo will go down when he fights a real fighter.

35ft6
02-18-2008, 08:45 PM
Kimbo's a novelty to whom they're spoon feeding scrubs and has beens. Bas Rutten thinks he can be a force. A champion? Maybe not, but a fighter to be reckoned with. Not sure how Bas is perceived but to me he seems like a really straight talker.

Rickson
02-18-2008, 08:49 PM
Bas Rutten thinks he can be a force. A champion? Maybe not, but a fighter to be reckoned with. Not sure how Bas is perceived but to me he seems like a really straight talker.

If Kimbo is for real, why don't they have him fight Antonio Silva? AS is ST's best hw, but they won't have him fight Kimbo? What's up with that? I don't want to see Kimbo fight Ken Shamrock. Kimbo needs to fight the real fighters and he needs to fight them now.

35ft6
02-18-2008, 09:06 PM
^ Dude, be patient. I'm sure you'll see him fight somebody legit soon enough. And to think, a few weeks ago people were generally agreeing that Tank was his first real test.

Rickson
02-18-2008, 09:13 PM
^ Dude, be patient. I'm sure you'll see him fight somebody legit soon enough. And to think, a few weeks ago people were generally agreeing that Tank was his first real test.

Who said that? Those sherdog clowns? You and I both knew that Tank was not a good matchup for Kimbo. Tank of 1995 would be a nice fight, but Tank at almost 43 years old? Tank was not a good fighter at 30, losing to everyone who had some skill while rolling over the 1995 scrubs. Kimbo and Tank are similar in that respect. I think Kimbo will prove to be the 2008 version of a 1995 Tank.

Ultra2HolyGrail
02-18-2008, 09:14 PM
Tanks performance was horrible, gassing out in 10 seconds. This would of been a great match 15 years or so ago. I knew it would be a stand up fight. Kimbo looks somewhat small in the ring.. I would like to see couture vs kimbo..

Hot Sauce
02-18-2008, 09:15 PM
Kimbo needs to fight the real fighters and he needs to fight them now.

Or what? You're going to get angry? Give it time.

Rickson
02-18-2008, 09:17 PM
Or what? You're going to get angry? Give it time.
or you might soak your undies. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's a nice Canadian word.

maverick66
02-18-2008, 09:20 PM
i doubt ufc ever has him fight on there cards. they dont want the image of a street fighter in there ranks. they are trying to clean up the sport and bringing in someone that is on youtube fighting in back streets and parking lots is not gonna help there cause. you will see him as a little sideshow at smaller events that struggle to get a crowd or tv coverage. they want professionals not thugs off the street.

Hot Sauce
02-18-2008, 09:21 PM
Oh snap! I said a funny word! :D

Rickson
02-18-2008, 09:26 PM
i doubt ufc ever has him fight on there cards. they dont want the image of a street fighter in there ranks. they are trying to clean up the sport and bringing in someone that is on youtube fighting in back streets and parking lots is not gonna help there cause. you will see him as a little sideshow at smaller events that struggle to get a crowd or tv coverage. they want professionals not thugs off the street.

The UFC is all about $$$. Kimbo is a big draw, like him or not. Kimbo may not have proven himself against good mma opponents yet, but people pay to see him fight. If Dana White can get the big bucks for a Kimbo fight, you'd better believe he'd do it. Look at Tyson bringing in all that money when he was several years past his prime.

Ultra2HolyGrail
02-18-2008, 09:26 PM
i doubt ufc ever has him fight on there cards. they dont want the image of a street fighter in there ranks. they are trying to clean up the sport and bringing in someone that is on youtube fighting in back streets and parking lots is not gonna help there cause. you will see him as a little sideshow at smaller events that struggle to get a crowd or tv coverage. they want professionals not thugs off the street.

UFC will get KImbo. He will sell PPV which is all that matters.

Hot Sauce
02-18-2008, 09:31 PM
Have you ever seen Money Talks with Kimbo? They pay people to take a clean punch from Kimbo. It's quite enjoyable. Almost as enjoyable as staring and Rickson's man titties. Eh fake Rickson from TW?

Rickson
02-18-2008, 09:34 PM
Not as funny as Hot Sauce's big feminine nipples!

Hot Sauce
02-18-2008, 09:38 PM
Ouch.. hahahaha

Ultra2HolyGrail
02-18-2008, 09:39 PM
Look at Tyson bringing in all that money when he was several years past his prime.


Tyson in his prime was no doubt the most devastating hevyweight ever. Also the crowd never got more excited than to watch him fight. Tyson would of probably give Kimbo a better fight than tank. I know he would of. And people would pay big to see that.

Rickson
02-18-2008, 09:39 PM
Ouch.. hahahaha

I still can't get over that undies word.

Hot Sauce
02-18-2008, 09:42 PM
What a surprise. Does "peepee" make you giggle your Rickson panties off too? :p

Rickson
02-18-2008, 09:51 PM
So you found a Canadian word that makes Americans laugh? That doesn't mean evwy witto baby wud makes Americans laugh.

35ft6
02-18-2008, 10:25 PM
Who said that? Those sherdog clowns? Their rationale was that if nothing else, Tank hated Kimbo and had a punchers chance. He didn't cower like Kimbo's last opponent.I think Kimbo will prove to be the 2008 version of a 1995 Tank.Kimbo seems much more disciplined and already has more skill (in boxing) than Tank ever did. Tank came at a time when the UFC was still half tough man contest, and his hands were heavy enough to take out guys who had never been in a fight outside their dojo. I agree if you're saying Tank was never a great MMA fighter, and I don't know if Kimbo will be either, but I don't think Kimbo is going to show up at fights drunk and the fact that Bas can't say enough about Kimbo's ability to learn, his work ethic, and his genuine desire to hurt people, bodes well. I don't think we've seen the best of Kimbo, but that's not to say he's the next Vanchanchyn, but maybe he can be the next Zentsov or something.

35ft6
02-18-2008, 10:28 PM
Oh, supposedly, Kimbo wants to fight Sean Gannon really bad. And speaking of Bas, this is straight from his blog:OK guys, I have to say something here.

I am training Kimbo right now, and I have to say that he is one of the BEST fighters I have EVER trained. He really listens to you and does what you say, do you know how hard that it? If he’s dead tired, and I tell him five more rounds, he looks at me, but doesn’t say anything, he just does it.

I entroduced him to the Bas Rutten MMA workout, he was SO tired, he told me that he has never been as tired. Today I was teaching him again, he asked me in the beginning “Are we ging to do the Bas Rutten workout?” But he said it in a crazy way, so I asked him “Do you want to do it?”. He said “Please, yes!” I asked him why, because all my PROFESSIONAL fighters don’t want to do it. He said “Bas, I want to conquer this thing, I want to do it!”Man, he gets, Lots, and losts of respect!

All the **** that people write about him, I am telling you, and I hope you know I don’t lie, he’s a trooper! I wish that all my fighters would be like him. Even my wife loves the guy. He is SO respectful and uses NO bad language in front of kids (my two little daughters love him, and they don’t like anybody!), I am REALLY, blown away.

He really deserves this, I think this. Can a boxer be a MMA FIGHTER? We all know the answer, but can a street fighter be an MMA fighter? We all KNOW the answer to that!

I would wish that all my fighters were like him, like I said, I can put him through every workout I give him, he WILL do it, no questions asked.

I hope you guys meet Kimbo one day, you will be blown away. I just came back from an MMA event and I brought him there, just see how he is with the fans, it’s crazy!

You also know that I would NEVER train an *******, so trust me, but he’s got me, Shawn Tompkins (who trained him longer than I have,) and Randy Kathami (boxing coach for my gym) respect. I REALLY love the guy.

El Guapo says:

Party one and Godspeed!!

maverick66
02-19-2008, 11:11 AM
im not denying the guy can fight and is a workhorse but the crap he did before he started doing mma is gonna hold him back. the ufc is trying so hard to get a good image going for them and not have street brawlers who have youtube videos of him punching people in parking lots. id be very shocked to see him there. like i said before you will see him in smaller promotions but i dont see him getting a chance at a UFC event.

Kobble
02-19-2008, 03:36 PM
Kimbo is not an ex-convict, and went to the University of Miami on an academic scholarship. Another self-promoter like Tank. I have to say, though, I liked Tank's schtick better.

35ft6
02-19-2008, 06:00 PM
^ I agree that UFC might not want him. Also, I could have swore in the earliest interviews, like 3 or 4 years ago, he said he was in jail for a time and started fighting because nobody else would hire a thug.

Rickson
02-19-2008, 09:16 PM
Kimbo is known for his jail time. He had this saying about how our people have to eat.

Kobble
02-19-2008, 10:13 PM
I read on a site that it is a myth. I'm saying myth until proven otherwise. His real name is Kevin Ferguson, and he played high school football, but didn't play in college. I would still be interested in watching him fight a good fighter, though.

Rickson
02-19-2008, 10:21 PM
I read on a site that it is a myth. I'm saying myth until proven otherwise. His real name is Kevin Ferguson, and he played high school football, but didn't play in college. I would still be interested in watching him fight a good fighter, though.

It's a possible internet rumor. Kimbo might never have been locked up. Who knows?

Leelord337
02-20-2008, 12:00 AM
Kimbo is not an ex-convict, and went to the University of Miami on an academic scholarship. Another self-promoter like Tank. I have to say, though, I liked Tank's schtick better.

Just looked up "schtick": Apparantly its a jewish word: schtick
n. (Yiddish) trick, ploy, gimmick; particular personal interest or activity

richw76
02-20-2008, 03:40 PM
Per Wikipedia:

Ferguson was a star defensive football player for Miami Palmetto High School in the Pinecrest area of Miami, Florida. In college, he went on to the University of Miami on academic scholarship, but did not play football. He was there for only a year and a half.[1]

*********
I'm from Miami, and Pinecrest Area is a nice Middle class area with lots of spanish tiled roofed houses. Most houses over there are in the $300-800k range.

So he sounds like most rappers. Nice middle class kid that found his nitch and worked hard to exploit it. I'm not mad at him. I look forward to his future in MMA.

And it makes since to me to let him get 5-10 fights under his belt. If he goes into UFC undefeated 7-0 he could get on a main draw. Maybe 3-5 fights from a title shoot if he stays healthy and wins.

CAM178
02-20-2008, 05:05 PM
Fight went exactly as I thought it would. Kimbo is legit, and Tank is way past his prime. Tank could talk trash back in the day, but the game has changed, and now almost everybody is legit. But Kimbo's Howitzers and speed of delivery are kinda scary. And he stood in the pocket daring Tank to hit him. Kimbo got more respect that night, and he deserves it.

Rickson
02-20-2008, 06:11 PM
Fight went exactly as I thought it would. Kimbo is legit, and Tank is way past his prime. Tank could talk trash back in the day, but the game has changed, and now almost everybody is legit. But Kimbo's Howitzers and speed of delivery are kinda scary. And he stood in the pocket daring Tank to hit him. Kimbo got more respect that night, and he deserves it.

Come on, Cam. What's Kimbo gonna do when he faces a takedown expert? Kimbo has to hope he connects and that's about it. Bas Rutten as a trainer isn't gonna help him much on the ground. Kimbo's gonna get waxed by some BJJ expert or a freestyle wrestler. I'm willing to bet that a washed up Coleman can take him at this stage unless Kimbo works on his ground skills.

CAM178
02-22-2008, 01:38 PM
Come on, Cam. What's Kimbo gonna do when he faces a takedown expert? Kimbo has to hope he connects and that's about it. Bas Rutten as a trainer isn't gonna help him much on the ground. Kimbo's gonna get waxed by some BJJ expert or a freestyle wrestler. I'm willing to bet that a washed up Coleman can take him at this stage unless Kimbo works on his ground skills.
You're kidding, right Rickson? http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=214 Rutten was submitting chumps 10 yrs ago, and he's only gotten better. Rutten is good on the ground.

But yes, I do agree with you. Until Kimbo gets tested on the canvas, we won't know about him. He claims to be working ground (and I know he's worked with Nick Diaz among others, and we all know Diaz is a sick black belt in BJJ), but I've yet to see him defending submissions. It's one thing to power your way out of a takedown, but powering your way out of a triangle only puts you to sleep that much faster. LOL. . . well, unless you're Arona, then you fly to the heavens and back quickly, all courtesy of Rampage Airlines.

Rickson, brief aside: have you ever had any member on here talk trash to you? I had it happen the other day, and it was pretty funny.

Rickson
02-22-2008, 01:42 PM
Rickson, brief aside: have you ever had any member on here talk trash to you? I did the other day, and it was pretty funny.

Now you have to be kidding. All the time, Cam, all the time. That's the fun of it all. The key is not to take them seriously whatsoever because you're probably never gonna meet them and if you do, you'll be shaking hands and playing tennis, not ultimate fighting.

CAM178
02-22-2008, 02:06 PM
Now you have to be kidding. All the time, Cam, all the time. That's the fun of it all. The key is not to take them seriously whatsoever because you're probably never gonna meet them and if you do, you'll be shaking hands and playing tennis, not ultimate fighting.
LOL. . .like I always say, you're good people, brother. Yeah, it doesn't bother me at all. Funny thing was this guy said that it was not our first 'quarrel', which scared me a bit. It scared me because after I log off, I don't think about the board, But the fact that this guy did remember me made me think he was like this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SADRcGrIo7g

Yeah, I knew you'd laugh at the vid, too. :mrgreen:

Rickson
02-22-2008, 09:41 PM
LOL. . .like I always say, you're good people, brother. Yeah, it doesn't bother me at all. Funny thing was this guy said that it was not our first 'quarrel', which scared me a bit. It scared me because after I log off, I don't think about the board, But the fact that this guy did remember me made me think he was like this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SADRcGrIo7g

Yeah, I knew you'd laugh at the vid, too. :mrgreen:

Thanks, Cam. I hope we can meet up one day and go some rounds... tennis that is.

35ft6
02-23-2008, 09:36 AM
Come on, Cam. What's Kimbo gonna do when he faces a takedown expert? Kimbo has to hope he connects and that's about it. Bas Rutten as a trainer isn't gonna help him much on the ground.The different training camps, they have a team of coaches. A boxing coach... a diet, nutrition, training guru... BJJ coach... etc.

Rickson
02-23-2008, 10:21 AM
The different training camps, they have a team of coaches. A boxing coach... a diet, nutrition, training guru... BJJ coach... etc.

Do you really believe Kimbo can stop Antonio Nogueira from submitting him? I surely don't believe he can.

35ft6
02-23-2008, 10:24 AM
^ I didn't know that's what you were talking about. I thought you said Bas couldn't help him much in terms of training for the ground.

Rickson
02-23-2008, 10:30 AM
^ I didn't know that's what you were talking about. I thought you said Bas couldn't help him much in terms of training for the ground.

No matter who's training Kimbo, he won't be able to hang with the mma mid levels. Sure Kimbo can beat scrubs, but that's not saying much. How would you like to play a bunch of 2.0 players?

35ft6
02-23-2008, 11:01 AM
^ You might be right, but Quinton Jackson beat Arona. Who knows. Maybe Kimbo is one of those rare forces of nature type fighters with an intuitive take down defense, etc, who can beat more technical fighters on sheer aggression alone.

35ft6
02-23-2008, 12:52 PM
Just watched Inside MMA on HDNet. Bas talked about how it's absurd for people to think they're not working on Kimbo's ground game. Basically, he said "Kimbo is learning from MY mistake" referring to the time, probably, Ken caught him in a knee bar or something.

There's a bit of "all the rules fly out the window" for certain athletes and Kimbo might be one. He might be a Quinton Jackson type fighter who only needs to learn enough technique to not be caught totally off guard by a move and to be able to capitalize if an opportunity presents itself, but not necessarily the guy who uses technique to play a game of chess, slowly drawing his opponent into a submission.

If Big Nog got him on the ground, of course he'd be finished. That goes for most guys in the MMA game though both proven and untested.

Watching some promotion on HDNet last night, a low level promotion, Maximum Fighting Championship, you quickly see the difference between these guys and even UFC nobodies. It reminded me of the early days of UFC, just really sloppy. Especially the heavyweights.

In other news, Vince McMahon is starting an MMA company.

Hot Sauce
02-23-2008, 02:00 PM
Do you really believe Kimbo can stop Antonio Nogueira from submitting him? I surely don't believe he can.

Can anyone stop Nog from submitting him? Besides Fedor, that is.

Hot Sauce
02-23-2008, 02:18 PM
Of course Kimbo's ground game hasn't been tested. But I don't get why you assume that it will be bad. Like 35ft6 said, Bas is working a lot on his ground game.

Rickson
02-24-2008, 12:05 AM
Of course Kimbo's ground game hasn't been tested. But I don't get why you assume that it will be bad. Like 35ft6 said, Bas is working a lot on his ground game.

Yeah, why do you think I have so many doubts about Kimbo's ground skills?

Bas Rutten fights Ken Shamrock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h1WWwtLWyg)

Hot Sauce
02-24-2008, 12:57 AM
Because you hate his dirty chin strap.

35ft6
02-24-2008, 11:57 AM
Yeah, why do you think I have so many doubts about Kimbo's ground skills?

Bas Rutten fights Ken Shamrock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h1WWwtLWyg) Bas probably has a BJJ specialist on his team to teach Kimbo. Most training camps have specialists teaching. The Gracies probably have a boxing coach who is not a Gracie or BJJ black belt.

BTW, after the kneebar from Ken, he went 24-0 or something. So he learned.

35ft6
02-24-2008, 12:26 PM
Video at Sherdog, post fight interview with Kimbo and Bas.

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=1452

CAM178
02-24-2008, 01:55 PM
There's a big difference between being able to defend against submissions when they're coming from B-level fighters. I can't imagine Kimbo having much problem with that. But defending against Big Nog is an entirely different animal. You'd better bring your A-game and a pocketful of 4-leaf clovers to defend against Big Nog, if you haven't been training BJJ your whole life. I personally think Kimbo will do just fine. He has enough time between fights to get better and better.

Elite is no dummy, and they are going to slowly ramp up Kimbo. He's a headliner for them, and he's winning easily. But they know better than to throw him into the deep end just yet. They're going to give him time to develop. Hey, all I can say is that I like the guy, and I like what he brings to the table.

I think the ideal matchup at the end of 2008 or early 2009 will be Kimbo vs Lesnar. Lesnar and Kimbo are both huge animals, and love to beat the hell out of other people. And I think if you give both of these guys time, they will better develop their skills, and hone them to a level to reach great success. I personally see Kimbo going much further than Lesnar, though. He's got more natural game, he fights smart, and he is strong as a freaking ox. I know Lesnar is, too, but Lesnar fights with more testosterone than anything else.

Rickson
02-24-2008, 05:48 PM
BTW, after the kneebar from Ken, he went 24-0 or something. So he learned.

Ken and Bas took different paths after they last met. Ken went downhill and Bas became an awesome all around fighter. I'd hate to see them fight today as I don't see Ken going past the 1st round with Bas. Bas can still hold his own today while Ken struggles against anyone halfway decent. I wish Ken had made his start in the business as a natural fighter because Ken without the roids is Popeye without his spinach. I still believe Ken can win his upcoming fight against Buzz Berry because Ken is fighting in his natural weight class (heavyweight) and Buzz is not an elite fighter by any means. I just hope Ken doesn't get a false sense of confidence if he wins because Ken would get crushed by Nogueira and Fedor.

Ultra2HolyGrail
02-24-2008, 10:47 PM
Did anyone see the Bob Sapp fight? That guy is like a teady bear when he gets hit. Like he is in unbelievable pain. Also rick rufus looked pretty weak on the ground against maurice smith, lol.

35ft6
02-25-2008, 12:59 AM
Ken and Bas took different paths after they last met. Ken went downhill and Bas became an awesome all around fighter.Man, seeing Ken lose to Rich Franklin... Tito Ortiz... and Sakuraba... he looked like he had absolutely nothing against those guys. Like no chance at all. He's just got a lot of anger.

Bas Rutten is featured on National Geographic Fight Science. Maybe I'll get those channels so I can watch it. I guess his punch cranked out an incredible high reading. For some reason, seeing him on Inside MMA, I forget how big he is. During that interview with Kimbo, I was kind of surprised to see that he was just as big as Kimbo.

Yeah, Bas is a bad mofo. I feel bad for the guys he had to destroy in bars.

Hot Sauce
02-25-2008, 02:35 PM
Man, seeing Ken lose to Rich Franklin... Tito Ortiz... and Sakuraba... he looked like he had absolutely nothing against those guys. Like no chance at all. He's just got a lot of anger.

Bas Rutten is featured on National Geographic Fight Science. Maybe I'll get those channels so I can watch it. I guess his punch cranked out an incredible high reading. For some reason, seeing him on Inside MMA, I forget how big he is. During that interview with Kimbo, I was kind of surprised to see that he was just as big as Kimbo.

Yeah, Bas is a bad mofo. I feel bad for the guys he had to destroy in bars.

Yeah I've seen that segment on National Geographic. They also have Couture, Rickson, Ortiz, and I think a couple other people. Very interesting stuff.

CAM178
02-25-2008, 05:14 PM
Yeah, Bas is a bad mofo. I feel bad for the guys he had to destroy in bars.
You should see what he does to Ricco in "The Smashing Machine". Bas is unbelievable: he knocks out Ricco, and because he knows he's going to KO him, he cracks him and immediately catches Ricco as Ricco is falling. Unreal.

Rickson
02-25-2008, 05:18 PM
You should see what he does to Ricco in "The Smashing Machine". Bas is unbelievable: he knocks out Ricco, and because he knows he's going to KO him, he cracks him and immediately catches Ricco as Ricco is falling. Unreal.

You still in Boston? Look me up when you're in NYC. I need to brush up on my tennis. Rolling's not included when we meet. ;)

35ft6
02-25-2008, 08:44 PM
You should see what he does to Ricco in "The Smashing Machine". Bas is unbelievable: he knocks out Ricco, and because he knows he's going to KO him, he cracks him and immediately catches Ricco as Ricco is falling. Unreal.Yeah, I saw that movie. That was a cool moment.

Rickson
02-25-2008, 09:24 PM
Yeah, I saw that movie. That was a cool moment.

When did that fight take place?