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richie65
03-02-2008, 06:49 PM
... in terms of: (For an all-court player)
1. Power
2. Control
3. Spin
4. Maneuverability
5. Overall

C10 Pro, Tour 10 Gen 2, DNX 10 Mid, Tour 10 VE Midplus, C7 Pro

flemby2112
03-02-2008, 07:07 PM
No T-10 VE mid?

richie65
03-02-2008, 07:19 PM
OK, put the 10VE Mid in as well.
I have one and know that it is very easy to move around until the third set, has no power, low spin and decent control. Awesome volleys and serve. A hit and miss with me.

Chauvalito
03-02-2008, 07:41 PM
c7 pro and c10 are even in my mind, I have played with both and none of the other rackets.

The C7 is one of a few rackets that I feel immediately comfortable and confident with...my biggest ground strokes have come from a leaded up C7...you can create a heavy ball with this racket while also hitting with plenty of spin for margin.

The C10 was my best serving stick, I have had sets where I have been in the zone serving bombs with this racket.

So yeah, i didn't really rank them, I just wanted to post my thoughts.

Ross K
03-02-2008, 09:55 PM
The C10 was my best serving stick, I have had sets where I have been in the zone serving bombs with this racket.

Is this frame renowned as a serving bomb maker then? Does it have that kind of power on the serve (like, say, some of the Babs)?

Plus also, how is it for stability, plow, 'heavy ball' effect?

Lastly, which other frame/s is it similar to?

nickb
03-03-2008, 06:48 AM
I wish volkl made a T10VEMid with a 65RA flex and 16/19 string pattern....:(

TourTenor
03-03-2008, 07:54 AM
... in terms of: (For an all-court player)
1. Power
2. Control
3. Spin
4. Maneuverability
5. Overall

C10 Pro, Tour 10 Gen 2, DNX 10 Mid, Tour 10 VE Midplus, C7 Pro

These racquets all create great power if you produce good racquet head speed with your swing. I have own two of these models, the Gen 2 and the DNX10 mid. I would rate them like this (on a 1-10 scale) ...

1. Power
Gen 2 (red label) = 6
DNX 10 mid = 7

2. Control
Gen 2 = 9
DNX 10 mid = 8.5

3. Spin
Gen 2 = 8.5
DNX 10 mid = 8

4. Manueverability
Gen 2 = 9
DNX 10 mid = 8

5. Overall
Gen 2 = 9
DNX 10 mid = 8.5

As you know these attributes are very subjective to your swing type and the string setup. Hope this helps.

AndrewD
03-03-2008, 09:08 AM
I can't comment on the C7 so have only rated the others.

Power:
1. VE MP
2. dnx 10 mid
3. C10
4. t10 Gen2

Control:
1. t10 Gen2
2. C10
3. dnx10 mid
4. VE MP

Spin:
1. c10
2. t10 Gen2 (lots of spin but doesn't hit a heavy ball)
3. VE MP
4. dnx 10 mid

Maneuverability:
1. t10 Gen2
2. VE MP
3. C10
4. dnx 10 mid

Overall:
Can't rate that for someone else as it depends entirely on what they need - power, touch, etc.

Personally, I think an all-court player should be looking at the Volkl dnx9, Becker 11 MP and Becker 11 mid (Becker and Volkl being the same company) instead of the C7 and VEMP.

auzzieizm
03-03-2008, 10:23 AM
Is this frame renowned as a serving bomb maker then? Does it have that kind of power on the serve (like, say, some of the Babs)?

Plus also, how is it for stability, plow, 'heavy ball' effect?

Lastly, which other frame/s is it similar to?

I am demoing the C10 Pro right now, and I am shocked about how effective my serving is (the demo seems to be freshly strung too with Gamma TNT which may be improving its performance). Anyway, I do not consider myself a great server. I picked up this frame, and it is probably the best frame I have ever served with. It does not have the power of Babolat frames. It does have some of the best directional control on serves that I have ever experienced. I was able to just pick a spot and serve to it. Because of the control, I was able to really go for serves with full power. I couldn't help but serve them in. I have not had that much fun serving in a while.

The frame is fairly stable, and the control on the frame is great. For being a flexible frame, it does not feel flimsy or noodley at all. The frame is tremendous for spin. It can plow through shots really well and has the heft to do so.

The one thing I do not like about it, and this may be true for all Volkls, is the grip. It feels weird changing grips because of the shape of the Volkl grip/handle. Just a personal gripe. I am sure plenty of people love the grip/handle.

AndrewD
03-03-2008, 12:40 PM
The one thing I do not like about it, and this may be true for all Volkls, is the grip. It feels weird changing grips because of the shape of the Volkl grip/handle. Just a personal gripe. I am sure plenty of people love the grip/handle.

Don't allow it to be a complaint. The grip shape is easily fixed with a few strips of athletic tape (how much depends on the shape you want).

richie65
03-03-2008, 03:43 PM
Some great rankings by TourTenor and AndrewD! That's the type of info I'm looking for.
I play with the Gen2 as my main stick, but I'm looking for a little more umph behind the ball and thought the others might have it. Especially considering the C10 Pro and DNX Mid.
Keep the info coming.

bad_call
03-03-2008, 04:57 PM
I wish volkl made a T10VEMid with a 65RA flex and 16/19 string pattern....:(

nickb - that's the DNX 9. btw - have u tried that one?

fuzz nation
03-04-2008, 02:03 PM
If you want more behind the ball than what your Tour 10 Gen II delivers, I'd strongly recommend the C10 Pro. I tried the T10 G-II a couple of summers ago and it bugged me specifically because it didn't bring much umph to my shots - actually, the guy who let me try that racquet eventually switched to the C10... yep, I'm a fan of irony.

The flex in the hoop of the C10 alienated me when I first took up with it last winter, but now that I'm routinely enjoying more flexible frames, I'm right at home with it and I find my best all court/doubles play with that Volkl. Aside from an uninteresting demo with the DNX 10 mid, I'm not familiar with the others on your list, but I can honestly say that the C10 scores highly for me in all four categories that you listed. For all court play, this frame has huge potential and I get a lot more from it than I did with my Prostaff 6.1 Classics which were nice for serve and volley work. I'm not handcuffed at the baseline with the Volkl like I was with the Wilson, but I don't perceive any compromise in volleys or serves despite having more flexibility.

louis netman
03-04-2008, 09:36 PM
Don't allow it to be a complaint. The grip shape is easily fixed with a few strips of athletic tape (how much depends on the shape you want).

Indeed. I've also heard that the less-rectangular Boris Becker pallets will fit the Volkl frames.

bagung
03-04-2008, 11:12 PM
am i the only one that found the dnx-10mid easier to swing than the "red label" T 10 gen 2..........?

007
03-05-2008, 06:26 AM
IMO, they rank as follows:
C7 Pro
DNX 10 MP
C10 Pro
T 10 Gen II
T10 VE MP
Tour 10
DNX 9

Rabbit
03-05-2008, 08:47 AM
... in terms of: (For an all-court player)
1. Power
2. Control
3. Spin
4. Maneuverability
5. Overall

C10 Pro, Tour 10 Gen 2, DNX 10 Mid, Tour 10 VE Midplus, C7 Pro


All rankings are most to least order

1. Power
All are about equal

2. Control
DNX 10 Mid
C10 - Tour 10 Gen 2 - Tour 10 VE M+, C7 Pro

3. Spin
C10 - Tour 10 Gen 2 - Tour 10 VE M+
DNX 10 Mid
C7 Pro

4. Maneuverability
DNX 10 Mid - C7 pro
the rest

5. Overall
C10 Pro
DNX10 Mid - Tour 10 VE Mid+
Tour 10 Mid Gen 2
C7 pro

IMO, they are all really close to each other in every category. That's why there are so many ties above. Overall, my favorite is the C10, but the others aren't far off.

I didn't care for the Gen 2 as I thought it was too stiff and tinny. The C7 is a little light and the string pattern dense for my likes.

TourTenor
03-05-2008, 12:02 PM
I didn't care for the Gen 2 as I thought it was too stiff and tinny.
I don't think I've heard of anyone thinking that the Gen 2 is too stiff (or tinny for that matter). Generally the negative comment is that it is underpowered. However, I wonder if you experienced the black label version? I hear that it has a lighter swingweight and perhaps might be less comfortable (stiffer, tinnier, etc.) than the older red label version? I haven't tried the black label version but my experience with the red label is that it is very comfortable and has good flexibility.

danb
03-05-2008, 12:47 PM
I liked Tour 10 Gen 2 a lot - in all aspects.
Beware - power has to be provided... feels like a classic racquet.

louis netman
03-05-2008, 02:26 PM
The C7 is a little light and the string pattern dense for my likes.


I'm assuming you're referring to the black/yellow C7 as the red/yellow version has heft more along the lines of the c10...

Dedans Penthouse
03-05-2008, 02:45 PM
I agree with louis netman regarding the C7 Pro's weight. I'm referring to the dark red C7 Pro with the black fish scale graphics and some yellow graphics as well as an 18 x 20 string pattern. It was definitely in the same weight class as the C10 albeit with a stiffer-in-the-hoop feeling vs. the C10. I thought the C7 Pro was a great stick that (when "leaded up") had the same PLOW factor that I find with my 'leaded-up' C10's. And speaking of C10's, I'm hoping Santa gets the new "black" C10 Pro version soon. :-)

nickynu
03-05-2008, 03:11 PM
... in terms of: (For an all-court player)
1. Power
2. Control
3. Spin
4. Maneuverability
5. Overall

C10 Pro, Tour 10 Gen 2, DNX 10 Mid, Tour 10 VE Midplus, C7 Pro

why they are all noodlepuke

007
03-07-2008, 05:24 AM
Black/yellow C7 Pro was 11.8 strung and had a stiffer hoop and was 18x20 but IMO was a more stable stick than the C10 overall and spun the ball just as well

Rabbit
03-07-2008, 08:24 AM
I don't think I've heard of anyone thinking that the Gen 2 is too stiff (or tinny for that matter). Generally the negative comment is that it is underpowered. However, I wonder if you experienced the black label version? I hear that it has a lighter swingweight and perhaps might be less comfortable (stiffer, tinnier, etc.) than the older red label version? I haven't tried the black label version but my experience with the red label is that it is very comfortable and has good flexibility.

I bought two when they first came out, without demoing because they don't carry them around here unless you order. Compared to the C10, I thought they felt tinny and definetly stiffer. I remember a thread where Mojo was saying you could feel the fibreglass in them and I was perplexed because I thought they were stiffer than the C10 by far.

Powerwise, like I posted earlier, I don't think that there's that much difference between the two frames. The big difference IMO was the hoop stiffness.

I'm assuming you're referring to the black/yellow C7 as the red/yellow version has heft more along the lines of the c10...

I may have been thinking of the C8.

AndrewD
03-07-2008, 12:46 PM
1. Power
All are about equal.

I didn't care for the Gen 2 as I thought it was too stiff and tinny.

You really felt that the 10 VE-MP had similar power levels to the other frames? I'm using it at the moment and find there to be a considerable difference between it and the Gen2, which I used previously. I also found the C10 Pro Tour to have more grunt than the Gen2 and a much more useful sweetspot. The Gen2 just seemed somewhat anaemic, as if they'd taken all of the substance out of the racquet so that the response was shallow, instead of solid.

Rabbit
03-07-2008, 01:42 PM
I guess it may have a little more, but to me between it and the C10 there ain't that much difference. The V10 I have is strung with Luxilon TIMO, which used to be my string of choice.

I own the C10, Tour 10 VE MP, Tour 10 Gen 1, and Tour 10 Gen2. To me, the best of the whole line was the Tour 10 Gen1. I don't think it sold real well, and Volkl tried to rebound with the Gen 2. They tried to cash in on the C10's success. But, for my money, it didn't feel as good. Now, get away from the whole 10 line for a while and pick up a Gen 2 after playing with say....an n90, and it does feel great. But coming from a worn out shoe like the C10 was to me, it felt like Sunday shoes. :)

My ranking of the line is:

1. Tour 10 Gen 1 - great frame, different frame than the C10 with a different frame geometry and killer grommet system all the way around the frame.
2. C10 - the gold standard
3. Volkl 10 V-Engine MP - probably the best cosmetics of the frames. Great frame to play with, a little stiffer than the above two but still a great frame.
4. Volkl Tour 10 Gen 2 - as I said, compared to the above, this one had a tinny feel not unlike the first Q10 introduced.

TourTenor
03-07-2008, 03:36 PM
I guess it may have a little more, but to me between it and the C10 there ain't that much difference. The V10 I have is strung with Luxilon TIMO, which used to be my string of choice.

I own the C10, Tour 10 VE MP, Tour 10 Gen 1, and Tour 10 Gen2. To me, the best of the whole line was the Tour 10 Gen1. I don't think it sold real well, and Volkl tried to rebound with the Gen 2. They tried to cash in on the C10's success. But, for my money, it didn't feel as good. Now, get away from the whole 10 line for a while and pick up a Gen 2 after playing with say....an n90, and it does feel great. But coming from a worn out shoe like the C10 was to me, it felt like Sunday shoes. :)

My ranking of the line is:

1. Tour 10 Gen 1 - great frame, different frame than the C10 with a different frame geometry and killer grommet system all the way around the frame.
2. C10 - the gold standard
3. Volkl 10 V-Engine MP - probably the best cosmetics of the frames. Great frame to play with, a little stiffer than the above two but still a great frame.
4. Volkl Tour 10 Gen 2 - as I said, compared to the above, this one had a tinny feel not unlike the first Q10 introduced.

Hare man, I like your points about the Gen 1 and the C10 when compared to the Gen 2 ... but, i haven't been able to try either one to compare. I have used the 10 V-Engine mid plus and would rank that when well behind the Gen 2 for comfort, control and playability. (I put the DNX 10 MP well behind the Gen 2 as well.)

However, I am always looking for something slightly better (a sickness that many of us seem to be stuck with) and I am anxiously waiting to demo the new C-10 (black) and the BB11 mid which appear to spec well with my game. We'll see ...

Rabbit
03-07-2008, 03:44 PM
Good luck with that. I have left the land of Volkl for the greater greater Prince Metropolis. :)

I have "discovered" the Prince Mid only 25 years after it hit the market. ;)

bagung
03-07-2008, 03:49 PM
i am still unable to get used to T10gen2.. found it "difficult" to control and to play with it.....
wonder the c-10pro have the similar feel as gen 2?

AndrewD
03-07-2008, 04:41 PM
Rabbit,

Is there any chance we can get a more detailed comparison of the C10 and 10 VEMP ? My experience of the C10 is enough to give a general opinion but I'd be very interested to hear what someone like yourself, who knows that racquet like the back of his hand, thinks. Also curious to see where you think the VE-mid fits in to your list. I ask as I'm currently using the VEMP but it has been discontinued and, here in Australia, it'd be much easier to locate new C10's (I gather there's a new cosmetics version coming soon) than used or old-stock VEMP's.


Good luck with your switch to the POG mid. It's a terrific racquet that I loved in all departments except at net. Unfortunately, I'm a serve-volley, doubles-only player so had to go to something else.

Ross K
03-07-2008, 10:45 PM
Am I right in thinking the best Volkl for heft, stability, solidity and 'heavy ball' effect is the C10?

Rabbit
03-08-2008, 04:47 AM
Rabbit,

Is there any chance we can get a more detailed comparison of the C10 and 10 VEMP ? My experience of the C10 is enough to give a general opinion but I'd be very interested to hear what someone like yourself, who knows that racquet like the back of his hand, thinks. Also curious to see where you think the VE-mid fits in to your list. I ask as I'm currently using the VEMP but it has been discontinued and, here in Australia, it'd be much easier to locate new C10's (I gather there's a new cosmetics version coming soon) than used or old-stock VEMP's.

Can you give me a little more detail on what you're interested in? I'll be more than happy to take the V10 back out for a hit.


Good luck with your switch to the POG mid. It's a terrific racquet that I loved in all departments except at net. Unfortunately, I'm a serve-volley, doubles-only player so had to go to something else.

Thanks. I thought it was great at net as well. For some reason, I kept this frame out in front of me and got great results at net. I too play main S/V doubles.

i am still unable to get used to T10gen2.. found it "difficult" to control and to play with it.....
wonder the c-10pro have the similar feel as gen 2?

What string/tension are you using? With the C10, I found that polyester at just under midrange gave the best control. The difference was very noticable between poly at 54 and multi or gut at 58. You may want to look more at your string setup than anything else.

Am I right in thinking the best Volkl for heft, stability, solidity and 'heavy ball' effect is the C10?

IMO, that's correct. Second is the Tour 10 Gen 1. Its balance is a little more even feeling. But, the C10 is best at that. It's even better if you add some lead tape at 3 and 9, a four inch strip with a 3 inch strip centered over it.

OzNQc
03-17-2008, 06:58 AM
I can only really comment on the T10 VE MP.

I hit with the T10 gen 1 a long time ago and my recollections are vague now.
However, i do remember that i did not hit well with it and i think this came down to too much SW for me.

Fast forward to the last 3 years....

In some deluded fantasy of being able to handle the T10 gen 1, i ordered them. Instead, i serendipitiously got sent T10 VE MPs by error. Luckily, i strung them up because the canadian company wanted them back lmao i.e. i got them for a heavily discounted price when they were meant to be retail lmao

I hit with them and basically i have stuck with these bats in different modified configurations. However, i did have an ultra brief affair with the T9 VE 16x19 which were just too much hard work for me. i.e. really, really hard to get through the air on serve and teeing off on groundies with them was practically back fence! This was really weird because the SW is lower. May be the beam width had something to do with it. Just a guess there. However, what does not work for some, works for others. A kid on my team loves and plays well with them so i sold 2 of them off there! Now, got 2 more left....

Anyway, the T10 VE MPs have a nice thin beam and the SW at the extreme end of my range which i can handle. With my current setup, all i can pretty much say now is:

Destroy your opponent with rocketlauncher or paintbrush!

Very impressed!

ummm when is bbllooddy volkl gonna do a redux paintjob my T10 VE MP like with the new C10 pros lmao

OzNQc
03-17-2008, 07:10 AM
Yeah i find this kind of strange....

the c10 does not get discounted like the other tour 10 series volkls???

Rabbit
03-17-2008, 08:58 AM
Apparently the C10 is still selling well enough that they can get retail for it.

Dedans Penthouse
03-20-2008, 09:32 AM
Good luck with that. I have left the land of Volkl for the greater greater Prince Metropolis. :)

I have "discovered" the Prince Mid only 25 years after it hit the market. ;)
Come back Rabbit....you know that Prince is really just a frog.

I see a new black C10 in your immediate future.

:cool:---"it's ok; Boris & Co. says all's forgiven!"

Rabbit
03-20-2008, 01:04 PM
Well, I think I am back. I've almost given up on the Prince Experiement. I just can't get that "lovin' feelin'" like I had with my first two hits. I don't know what the deal is.

But, I'm waiting on my black paint C10s, and to that end, I looked deep in the warren and found 3 brand new Fairway two-handed grips in the darker color. They should look really sweet on my 3 frames...

johnz
03-20-2008, 05:55 PM
I own the following VOLKL racquets: Tour 10 MP, Tour 10 Gen 2, C10 PRO, Quantum 10 Tour, DNX 10 MP, Tour 10 VE mid. Play mostly doubles now and alternate raquets about every 2 weeks. They are all good sticks and great fun to play with, but I would rate them as follows:

C10 PRO
Tour 10 Gen 2
Tour 10 VE mid
Quantum 10 Tour (great for a lighter racquet)
DNX 10 MP and Tour 10 Gen 1

C10 is the best all around racquet and the Gen 2 the best volleying racquet.

richie65
03-20-2008, 08:37 PM
OK, I pulled the strings on a used DNX 10 Mid as this and the C10 were the ones that most interested me. I now have the DNX, one each of the Red and Black Gen II and a VE Mid. I list them in order of overall preference.

I have found the DNX Mid to offer greater power, better serves and similar control to the Gen IIs. It may be a little less plush then the Gen II, but I do prefer it. As for the VE Mid, I still use it on occasion and have great days and some poor days. I now play it at mid tension which helps keep the string bed soft like the flex.

I'm just wondering if I should try to find another DNX Mid or the C10 as my next purchase. It does seem ridiculous that I'm buying all these different sticks when just one or the other would be a great choice for my game.

Volkl forever!

PS I'm trying to become the Canadian version of NBMJ.

TourTenor
03-21-2008, 07:44 AM
OK, I pulled the strings on a used DNX 10 Mid as this and the C10 were the ones that most interested me. I now have the DNX, one each of the Red and Black Gen II and a VE Mid. I list them in order of overall preference.

I have found the DNX Mid to offer greater power, better serves and similar control to the Gen IIs. It may be a little less plush then the Gen II, but I do prefer it. ....

I'm just wondering if I should try to find another DNX Mid or the C10 as my next purchase. It does seem ridiculous that I'm buying all these different sticks when just one or the other would be a great choice for my game.

Volkl forever!

PS I'm trying to become the Canadian version of NBMJ.
Richie, I'm interested in your impressions of how the Gen2 black label and red label differ. I've got the red label version. I also have some DNX10 mids that I like very much. I put the Gen2 red label slightly in front the DNX10 mid for my game.


I am going to try the new C10 and the BB11mid. Both the C10 and the BB11mid appear to spec well for me. From what I understand the BB11mid swingweight is slightly less than the DNX10 mid SW. I hear that the DNX distribution is better, as well.


By the way, I'm also Canadian but been in the US for most of my life.

richie65
03-22-2008, 10:55 PM
What I like about the DNX 10 Mid is the stability. You think (and actually did) miss the sweet spot, but the racquet remains stable and your shot lands close to where it was aimed.

I find with the Gen2, especially the Black Label model, that mishits land short or in the net. The Gen2s really need to have a lively string.

In comparing the Red and Black label models is that the Red feels a little lighter and swings easier (my red is 5 grams lighter) and may play a tad stiffer. All of this adds up to a greater power and the ability to hit better angles.

The Gen2s are excellent at absorbing shock and helped get rid of my tennis elbow caused by Dunlop 200 2006.

As to my original post, I find the DNX 10 Mid to be superior to the Gen2 and the VE Mid in all aspects. Maybe the VE Mid volleys better.

If I have the money next month I may try to purchase a used C10.

bagung
03-23-2008, 03:09 AM
i have try different strings and leads set up on the T10gen2 red label and bb11 std... however, i still cannot get used to it and unable to produce heavy balls as per dnx-10 mid...
i have high hope on the bb11 std, but i guess i end up disappointed...
the bb11 std compare to dnx-10mid, it does feel tiny ...
i agree on what richie65 said, the dnx-10 mid is stable and solid....