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jasonchu
03-03-2008, 04:21 PM
From my contact within the ProKennex organization, I have learned that the factory is now producing the Redondos! Finally. They are scheduled to ship (literally) on March 26th, and hit the US Shores and ProKennex Global (the Americas distribution/marketing arm) likely 10-14 days later.

My tennis elbow thanks you ProKennex.
My sore wrist thanks you ProKennex.
My wallet (which will lose a lot of weight when I buy 4 Redondo c93's) is torn.

lovehunter
03-03-2008, 05:43 PM
Is the gormmet will also supplied? TW sales the racquet but without accessories. :-(

dr_punk
03-03-2008, 07:56 PM
never played with the famed redondo, maybe after this i'll be able to try it out from somebody else's hands :)

xube0001
03-03-2008, 09:08 PM
hi, I have the grommets you want. If you are interested, send me an email xube0001@ntu.edu.sg

RoddickistheMan
03-03-2008, 09:20 PM
thats great. Truly is a great racquet. Glad they are still making them. Too bad the same cant be true for pt630s

gocard
03-03-2008, 09:30 PM
Awesome! I love my Redondos - can't wait to get more!

jasonchu
03-03-2008, 10:16 PM
Is the gormmet will also supplied? TW sales the racquet but without accessories. :-(

huh?

Grommets are always supplied WITH the racquet. TW sells the Midplus at this time, but if you are in need of extra grommet sets, you can go to the kennex website and email for GROMMETS before 4/1/2008 but after that I would expect retailers will have them again.

dr_punk
03-04-2008, 05:35 AM
huh?

Grommets are always supplied WITH the racquet. TW sells the Midplus at this time, but if you are in need of extra grommet sets, you can go to the kennex website and email for GROMMETS before 4/1/2006 but after that I would expect retailers will have them again.

I hope you mean 2008

jorel
03-04-2008, 05:39 AM
Taiwan???? Very impressed indeed....

SplitSecond
04-08-2008, 05:41 AM
Are they here yet?

daddy.dirtsurfer
04-08-2008, 06:58 AM
Hope it's different model with 16 x 19 as I need a better spin!

anirut
04-08-2008, 07:05 AM
Hope it's different model with 16 x 19 as I need a better spin!

In that case you'll need to order the C2 Classic Tour from Japan. And it's a 98 head.

asintu
04-08-2008, 08:08 AM
Are they here yet?

doesn't seem like it..but i surely hope they're still producing redondos

christo
04-08-2008, 08:22 AM
PK never keeps their word on availability dates, just ask TW

MichaelChang
04-08-2008, 09:59 AM
Taiwan???? Very impressed indeed....

Are the current PK rackets made in Taiwan?
(note, Taiwan is different to Made in China, they are different factories).

anirut
04-08-2008, 05:57 PM
And TW now has the Redondo Mids!!!

asintu
04-08-2008, 06:20 PM
And TW now has the Redondo Mids!!!

as a side note..is it just me or do the grip sizes for the mids run a bit larger than the midpluses?

anirut
04-08-2008, 06:34 PM
as a side note..is it just me or do the grip sizes for the mids run a bit larger than the midpluses?

Sorry, I dunno .... have not the MP

SplitSecond
04-08-2008, 07:40 PM
Have they been sold out already?

Ruuzo
04-08-2008, 11:53 PM
hey jasonchu, do you know if pro kennex is going to come out with a new racket line anytime soon?

thanks

anirut
04-09-2008, 05:25 AM
hey jasonchu, do you know if pro kennex is going to come out with a new racket line anytime soon?

thanks

The new Black Ace is already out in Asia since October 07. The mid (93) wasn't available then, but now it's on the way to me. I will review it once I get the stick.

MichaelChang
04-09-2008, 07:05 AM
Hi anirut, from your experience with PK rackets, do they say "made in china" or "made in taiwan"? Thank you.

anirut
04-09-2008, 10:01 AM
Hi anirut, from your experience with PK rackets, do they say "made in china" or "made in taiwan"? Thank you.

Taking a peek at my Redondo ... it doesn't say anything ... but I would guess China. But, c'mon, don't let that scare you. Many big-name rackets are made by PK's factory anyway -- if that's still happening.

I think it's the quality control that matters more, regardless of where it's made.

MichaelChang
04-09-2008, 10:11 AM
Thank you anirut.

flash9
04-09-2008, 10:40 AM
And TW now has the Redondo Mids!!!

Tennis-Warehouse's site is kind of messed up. It only lists the ProKennex Heritage Type C Redondo Racquets MidPlus Specs twice, but if you click the Add to Cart link you then see both Mid and Mid+ frames are available. :confused:

Jack & Coke
04-10-2008, 09:16 AM
The new Black Ace is already out in Asia since October 07.



Is this the "new" one?

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8819/72881xc8.jpg http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3593/5a1c1oa6.jpg

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9479/6a8b1cs9.jpg http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4047/7ca41yf2.jpg

(from the really big auction site)

Jack & Coke
04-10-2008, 09:20 AM
or this one?

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8361/ada412kl4.jpg

this is the original old skool Black Ace correct?

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5702/b11a1hh8.jpg

PBODY99
04-10-2008, 09:46 AM
The last one is the original Black Ace from the 1980's.

anirut
04-10-2008, 04:51 PM
J&C,

The new Black is none of the "modern looks". It comes from the same mold as the Heritage Series (Type C & Redondo). The sad thing is the PJ is just ugly as sin.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f310/anirut/Rackets/NewBlackAceH93-98.jpg

Passion4Tennis
04-10-2008, 05:36 PM
Anirut, Did you play with a Wilson Rok at one point? That's the racquet that I'm currently using, but I'm looking to make a switch. If you have used it, how would you compare the power of Redondo to the Rok. A little more with Red, hopefully?

anirut
04-10-2008, 05:43 PM
I prefer the Redondo, hands down. I've already sold off my ROK93 too.

That should give you some idea ...

Bud
04-10-2008, 05:52 PM
So.. where are the racquets?? :)

Passion4Tennis
04-10-2008, 06:36 PM
I'm very tempted to order one. The Rok has been pretty solid from the baseline, but I really have to put a lot of energy into my serves. The only racquets that look good to me are the Redondo and the BB 11 mid, but I can't shell out that much money for a BB. Most of the other player's racquets look too stiff, and I've had injury problems from using racquets with high stiffness ratings.

anirut
04-10-2008, 06:49 PM
Well, the Redondo's no serving machine. But with the right string setup, it can do some damage. Check the Redondo thread. The past couple of days there was a dicussion about this.

MrAWD
04-11-2008, 12:46 PM
Hey anirut,

Did you ever get that new Black Ace? I was looking for your review on it, but either I missed it or it is not out of press yet!! I am definitely interested in it since it seem to be pretty close to the Redondo Mid, but just a bit stiffer, which is something I think it might help me.

Later!

Fedja

Bud
04-11-2008, 12:51 PM
Hey anirut,

Did you ever get that new Black Ice?

Later!

Fedja

Black Ice is that stuff you slide on during Winter :lol:

You mean Black Ace.

MichaelChang
04-11-2008, 01:05 PM
Where can I find the detail specs of this "new" black ace? I went to the Pro Kennex website and they didn't list this racket. I am confused. Thanks.

MrAWD
04-11-2008, 01:46 PM
Black Ice is that stuff you slide on during Winter :lol:

You mean Black Ace.

Yup!! Good catch!

I will fix it above!

Thanks


Fedja

MrAWD
04-11-2008, 01:50 PM
Where can I find the detail specs of this "new" black ace? I went to the Pro Kennex website and they didn't list this racket. I am confused. Thanks.

I think, anirut has them posted in the big Redondo thread. Check it out!

Fedja

anirut
04-11-2008, 07:59 PM
The new Black is on it's way. Should be in my hands sometimes next week. Don't worry, I won't forget to post about a review.

1970CRBase
04-11-2008, 09:30 PM
In that case you'll need to order the C2 Classic Tour from Japan. And it's a 98 head.

Hi.... after reading this thread I'm a bit confused.

I have an unplayed Prokennex, searching for info, I'm not too sure what it is exactly.

The painjob is nearly the same as this : http://www.prokennex.com.sg/products/tennis/type-s.html

But the prokennex word along the beam is blue not grey/silver and where the two parts of the throat join at the shaft is blue not grey/silver.

The label is C3 Destiny Tour

Headsize 98.6
Length 27in
Weight 300-310g
Balance 310-320mm
String 16x19

any prokennex expert can help? :)

1970CRBase
04-11-2008, 09:32 PM
it says control series inside the frame at 3 o clock

anirut
04-11-2008, 10:08 PM
May be somebody else could help ... I have no idea, 1970. Tried searchin'. Sorry 'bout that.

treblings
04-11-2008, 10:46 PM
passion4tennis,
i have played with the rok for 5 years and loved that racket. yes it lacks power on the serve, and in my opinion also from the baseline if youīre up against a hardhitting opponent. that was the main reason why i switched to the head prestige pro. i can totally recommend the pro, but itīs rather expensive. two weeks ago i also got my first redondo mid second-hand from california, and the truth is, i havenīt played much with the head since. the redondo is just so much fun to play with. the racket does exactly what i want it to do, meaning the control is suberb if i hit the sweetspot. it is also very armfriendly. if i had a mishit with the rok, my elbow would tell me in an instant. in my opinion, the redondo has more power than the rok, but not as much as the prestige pro or other rackets. if you look at the redondo threads,
i think most people agree, that you can do a lot with lead and strings to customize the racket, and i will certainly try that in the coming weeks.

biciomac
04-12-2008, 01:31 PM
The new Black is on it's way. Should be in my hands sometimes next week. Don't worry, I won't forget to post about a review.

the new black ace is the european and asian redondo version!
same weight, same frame, same balance, same flex and same composition 100% graphite!

anirut
04-12-2008, 07:07 PM
the new black ace is the european and asian redondo version!
same weight, same frame, same balance, same flex and same composition 100% graphite!

Slightly different. The new Black is 63 stiff (unstrung).

In Asia we also get the Redondo. In Japan the Redondo's called C1 Pro Tour ver 07, same PJ.

MichaelChang
04-12-2008, 07:15 PM
I wonder why PK made 2 rackets so similar. but anyway it seems no way to get the black ace in US anyway.

biciomac
04-12-2008, 11:07 PM
Slightly different. The new Black is 63 stiff (unstrung).

In Asia we also get the Redondo. In Japan the Redondo's called C1 Pro Tour ver 07, same PJ.

I think it's really a pj!
I had it in my hand and it's 100% same frame! I seen and compared them here in italy! PK italy don't import redondo, but import Black Ace! I like more redondo graphic and paint!
the flex is not tested like TW! I mean TW tested redondo 56 flex, but prokennex RA is not comparable!
For example KI5 Prokennex test is 67RA but TW test is 61! they use different measurement type!
For this reason 63RA declarated by PK is very similar to 56 TW test!

Black ace is a Redondo! 100%!

anirut
04-12-2008, 11:46 PM
biciomc,

Thanks for the input. In a couple of days the new Black 93 will be in my hands. I'll test them both and will report about the feel.

I've also heard comments that the new Black 98 plays like the Redondo 93.

biciomac
04-13-2008, 03:44 AM
biciomc,

Thanks for the input. In a couple of days the new Black 93 will be in my hands. I'll test them both and will report about the feel.

I've also heard comments that the new Black 98 plays like the Redondo 93.

shure it plays like redondo! it's a redondo!:)
any way the frame it's the same, same beam wide, same weight, same balance and same composition! its' impossible they made another racquet! obviously it's the same racquet!;)

anirut
04-13-2008, 06:08 AM
shure it plays like redondo! it's a redondo!:)
any way the frame it's the same, same beam wide, same weight, same balance and same composition! its' impossible they made another racquet! obviously it's the same racquet!;)

But if the layup is different, that'd make a different racket. And that's what I want to know. I don't care if it's the shape and all that. If the layup is different, it will tell.

And, BTW, I'm a BlackAce fan.

biciomac
04-13-2008, 07:53 AM
But if the layup is different, that'd make a different racket. And that's what I want to know. I don't care if it's the shape and all that. If the layup is different, it will tell.

And, BTW, I'm a BlackAce fan.

I'm shure it's only a paintjob! prokennex italy told me!
anyway the paint isn't rubbered like redondo! it's a polished one! not exceptional looking!

jasonchu
04-13-2008, 11:16 PM
hey jasonchu, do you know if pro kennex is going to come out with a new racket line anytime soon?

thanks


I'm sorry. I can ask my contact at PKG but most new product lines are not announced until May.. head, prince, etc. so that they hit the new season.

They might not tell me.... but I'll ask.

Jason

Passion4Tennis
04-14-2008, 09:14 AM
Anirut, like you, I've also played with the Volkl tour 10 VE mid, and I thought it was a great racquet that was good at everything. I used to string mine at 55 with PSGD, and I was able to get good pace from it. I only sold mine because I can no longer find a bumper guard and grommets for it.

Would you say that the Redondo has similar power to the VE mid in stock form?

anirut
04-14-2008, 09:47 AM
Would you say that the Redondo has similar power to the VE mid in stock form?

Ummm ... let's see ... for a small guy like me ...

The Redondo's got a very broad tension range, that's one thing, and I have no problem playing at 62 lbs with the smaller 90 in head size. With the 10VE mid and it's real 93 in head, getting up to 56 just had me stumbling for pop.

The 10VE, to me, shines much more at lower end of the tension range but not so much with the Redondo. (This is all with the same string.)

So, OK, that may sum up as the 10VE mid having lower power. But if you string it right, it's a scapel. Both are soft, but the Redondo feels more "raw" -- characteristic of the 80's rackets.

Hope this helps.

jasonchu
05-09-2008, 12:46 AM
PK never keeps their word on availability dates, just ask TW

Nope. Pro Kennex delivered on time. Got my c93 Redondo and
it hits "like butta"... :)

weights on 4 racquets i saw: 331 g, 331 g, 332.5g, 332.75g unstrung
mine (1) was strung with hybrid of 17g gosen micro og sheep in the mains, and babolat conquest 16 in the crosses (1) -- i know sounds backaward based on gauge, but it was my last 1/2 set of conquest so i put it in the crosses as the tension drop if in the mains would have been annoying .

strung at 61.5 lbs.....

3 went to a local tennis charity for tournament prizes :)



Only thing... I messed up one of the racquets' rubberized finish
when pulling the string to tie the knot. I learned from a USRSA certified
master and his technique was to pull "under" never "over" the racquet
and on the same plane as the main or cross you are tying (parallel).
but never perpendicular which puts undue stress on the mains or cross (if doing
2 piece or hybrid) where you tie off.

now i have 3 minute string stress marks on the frame.

won't make that mistake again... after the 3'rd mark, i discovered it and
was more gentle and pulled around a mounting arm to avoid touching the rubberized surface.

was that surface really necessary ?

but I should say no tennis elbow after 3 sets for the first time in months.

Fischer mComp95 and Redondo C93 are my 2 sticks now. sold my head prestige mid microgels and sent my battered wilson ncode six-one 95's to my dad's house for when i visit.

anirut... everyone... how do you tie your knots without marring the rubber surface?

jasonchu
05-09-2008, 12:51 AM
I'm sorry. I can ask my contact at PKG but most new product lines are not announced until May.. head, prince, etc. so that they hit the new season.

They might not tell me.... but I'll ask.

Jason


Asked my contact at PK. I mentioned the Black Ace and rumor of the I.Q. series racquets.
He told me that he could not confirm or deny. Sorry. I guess there are somethings they want to keep hush for now.
:(

Bud
05-09-2008, 02:30 AM
I'm shure it's only a paintjob! prokennex italy told me!
anyway the paint isn't rubbered like redondo! it's a polished one! not exceptional looking!

Good. That's the one thing I dislike about the Redondo... that rubberized paint crap they put on it.

anirut
05-09-2008, 05:24 AM
Bud,

The Black 93 IS NO Redondo. It is stiffer and has more pop. Feels closer to the MG Prestige.

jasonchu
06-09-2008, 01:54 PM
But if the layup is different, that'd make a different racket. And that's what I want to know. I don't care if it's the shape and all that. If the layup is different, it will tell.

And, BTW, I'm a BlackAce fan.

The black ace is DEFINITELY different from the redondo.
Stiffer, a little lighter, and more evenly balanced

jasonchu
06-09-2008, 01:58 PM
the new black ace is the european and asian redondo version!
same weight, same frame, same balance, same flex and same composition 100% graphite!

got this from global ditribution... the black is lighter, more evenly balanced and stiffer. like anirut states.... the black is going head to head against the microgel prestige.

dt101
06-09-2008, 02:30 PM
So these were made in Taiwan right? The ones that TW are selling were made in Taiwan right?