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Casey10s
03-07-2008, 07:58 AM
Hello,

I have been using Luxilon ALU Flouro 17 in the mains and BDE Perf 17 in the crosses. The racquet plays well for about 10 to 14 days and then the tension goes away on the Luxilon. At that point, the control and feel goes away and I start to spray balls all over the place. I have started to try other strings to see if I can get longer life on the mains. I am hoping to get somewhere around 3 weeks out of a set.

When I did a full natural gut on the old racquets, I would get 3 weeks out of a string job before the tension would go away. Sometimes I would lose tension before that but it would mostly be due to moving the racquets between different temperature extremes (mostly between cold and indoor).

Also, once I lose tension, I cut the old strings out and put new ones in. I do my own stringing. I have also used Gamma Zo True 17 but to me it seems too stiff.

My racquet is the Wilson K95 ( 16x18 ).

Any suggestions on what else to try? Maybe the Weiss Cannon strings?

Rabbit
03-07-2008, 08:35 AM
Try Pacific Xtreme 16L. It is very close in feel to ALU, but holds tension unbelievably well.

Zhou
03-07-2008, 09:04 AM
Some people on this forum regard Topspin Cyberflash as a cheap mans Luxilon.

PROTENNIS63
03-07-2008, 09:09 AM
Try Cyber Flash, Big Hitter, Cyber Power, Big Ace, Blue Gear, Poly Plasma, Polyfibre TCS. Those seem to the most popular around here.

Babb
03-07-2008, 09:14 AM
Big Ace was my alternative.

Casey10s
03-07-2008, 09:54 AM
Thanks for the suggestions. I will have to look into these options.

1012007
03-07-2008, 10:43 AM
Try Cyber Flash, Big Hitter, Cyber Power, Big Ace, Blue Gear, Poly Plasma, Polyfibre TCS. Those seem to the most popular around here.

If you want a string that plays like Luxilon, out of these try Cyberflash. All the other are soft polys except Blue gear which is a "spin string"

need2bfit
03-07-2008, 10:51 AM
I suggest Signum Pro Poly-Plasma as well. Actually it seems to hold tension much better than Lux, for me at least. That's the best poly I've tried so far.

fastdunn
03-07-2008, 11:07 AM
Try Pacific Xtreme 16L. It is very close in feel to ALU, but holds tension unbelievably well.

I second this. Its tension maintenance is unbelievable. Definitely it holds on.
Sometimes I wonder what it is made of. I don't think it's all polyester. Rabbit, any idea ?

I haven't played with ALU floro but Xtreme is much softer than ALU Big Banger.

PROTENNIS63
03-07-2008, 11:24 AM
If you want a string that plays like Luxilon, out of these try Cyberflash. All the other are soft polys except Blue gear which is a "spin string"

I hope you did not say that to me. I am well aware that Cyber Flash is stiffer than the others.

hoodjem
03-07-2008, 11:38 AM
If you want a string that plays like Luxilon, out of these try Cyberflash. All the other are soft polys except Blue gear which is a "spin string"

I wish someone would compile a list of all the "soft poly"s--so I can avoid them.

(Big Hitter, Cyber Power, Big Ace, Poly Plasma, Polyfibre TCS . . .)

I disliked SPPP. Anyone tried Pacific X Force 18?

1012007
03-07-2008, 11:55 AM
I hope you did not say that to me. I am well aware that Cyber Flash is stiffer than the others.

Im just stopping the OP just buying some Big Ace and then realising its nothing like Luxilon. Nothing against your views or opinions

Hankenstein
03-07-2008, 11:58 AM
I used to play with Big Banger Alu Power alot when i worked in a pro-shop, but i tried the Pro´s Pro Cyber Power and that is almost as good as the BigBanger string. It´s really really cheap as well and i just loves it. Great string!

1012007
03-07-2008, 12:00 PM
Are you serious? I assumed Pro's Pro was some cheap crappy EU company that sell crap rackets, cheap string and awful machines

PROTENNIS63
03-07-2008, 12:06 PM
Im just stopping the OP just buying some Big Ace and then realising its nothing like Luxilon. Nothing against your views or opinions

You quoted me, not the OP which is why I said something.

1012007
03-07-2008, 12:08 PM
Sorry i wasnt trying to say you were wrong or anything.

Can you tell me the difference between Big ace and Cyberpower?

nickb
03-07-2008, 01:37 PM
Imo out of all the cheaper polys cyberflash and big hitter play most like ALU Power...they dont have that amazing first few hours but keep going for much longer.

Nick

PROTENNIS63
03-07-2008, 01:55 PM
Sorry i wasnt trying to say you were wrong or anything.

Can you tell me the difference between Big ace and Cyberpower?

I found Cyber Power to give much more pop. Too much for me. Out of the polys I have tried, Cyber Power has the most in power so if you hit the ball weak or want to get some more pop on your shots, then Cyber Power is good. Big Ace also has some power but not as much as Cyber Power. Big Ace wins in control for me. Both are soft. I guess it comes down to personal preference and which color you like best.

Speedygonzalez
03-07-2008, 02:10 PM
Are you serious? I assumed Pro's Pro was some cheap crappy EU company that sell crap rackets, cheap string and awful machines

If you check the ratings on stringforum.net you see that the polyester strings of Pro's Pro are pretty highly rated. I have tried Vendeta, Plus Power, Concept and Poly Gut and those are strings with a a lot of bang for your buck....

Klatu Verata Necktie
03-07-2008, 03:04 PM
I agree that Cyberpower, Big Ace, and probably Big Hitter Blue wouldn't be appropriate replacements for Luxillon. Their similarity ends at the most general level, that they are all polyester. Lux tends toward the stiffer, crisper side, qualities which none of the softer polys will possess.

Rabbit
03-07-2008, 03:27 PM
I second this. Its tension maintenance is unbelievable. Definitely it holds on.
Sometimes I wonder what it is made of. I don't think it's all polyester. Rabbit, any idea ?

I haven't played with ALU floro but Xtreme is much softer than ALU Big Banger.

Man, I have no idea... :)

All I know is that it's easy on your arm, has great feel, and doesn't lose tension.

ctdeuce
03-07-2008, 03:31 PM
I rock the cyberflashes...they are great!

nskatp
03-07-2008, 04:15 PM
Weiss Cannon Silverstring sticker (on the reel) says it's a "high grade CoPolymer, mixed by trace elements of Fluorcarbon Elastomeres". So maybe it can be the closest to ALU Fluoro.

I have never played with ALU Fluoro but I definitely played with ALU and Silverstring feels a little bit softer, playability last WAY longer for me (about 14 hours so no sure if that will give you 3 weeks). So far no arm pain, good combination of control and power. I'm using the 1.20 gauge.

It's almost 6 dollars cheaper that ALU Fluoro and if you by a reel it can be almost 10 dollars cheaper, so even if you only get 14 days out of it as you do with ALU you win because it will be a lot cheaper to restring, which is probably what you will have to do, I don't think a poly can give you 3 weeks, not even Pacific Xtreme which I REALLY like (more than Silverstring -a bit softer-), Xtreme holds tension very well, I start to loose control just maybe 1 hour before the string breaks (around 13-14 hours). Xtreme more expensive thou.

So try Weiss Silverstring or Pacific Xtreme, you will not regret it.

PROTENNIS63
03-07-2008, 04:41 PM
^^^ Yep. Lux is overpriced. Cyber Flash is even more cheaper than the Silverstring.

Casey10s
03-07-2008, 04:44 PM
The ALU Flouro is supposed to be softer than the Big Banger. I am getting over some arm problems so I was looking for something a little softer in the poly family. The Zo True started to bother my arm after about 10 minutes of hitting. But once the strings loosened, they seemed to be OK on my arm but the Zo True doesn't have enough feel for what I like.

My style is to play agressive where most of my shots are near the sideline or deep in the corners. My style is to not keep much in the center of the court. If I get a short ball it is either deep in the corner (one or the other) or a sharp topspin crosscourt shot. My baseline play is similar but I am aiming in the corner to set up the short ball.

The ALU Flouro lasts me about 15 hours before the tension disappears. It is not breaking, just losing tension.

I am looking for a control type poly-family 17g string that can hold constant tension to around 30 hours of play. I can put up with losing tension in the first hour of hitting but I like it to stay there for the remaining hours. The suggestions so far are giving some good ideas to investigate.

Stan
03-07-2008, 05:55 PM
I am looking for a control type poly-family 17g string that can hold constant tension to around 30 hours of play. I can put up with losing tension in the first hour of hitting but I like it to stay there for the remaining hours. The suggestions so far are giving some good ideas to investigate.

What you are seeking does not exist yet. Check back in a couple of years as technology continues to improve the copolymers.

rorourboat320
03-08-2008, 08:40 PM
i used to play with luxilon but was looking for something cheaper. found big ace and fell in love with it. i use it as a hybrid though because it like the feel and it's similar to luxilon, only better IMO. price is great on pro supex too so i recommend checkin their stuff out. heard blue gear is good too but i doubt that'll look good on your k95. big ace comes in red and it looks great on my kfactor

carguy
03-08-2008, 10:02 PM
Casey10s

it looks like few if any of the posters on this thread have actually used fluoro.

i've used fluoro in the past and like it a lot except for its tension maintenance. haven't found an exact match but topspin cyber power feels softer and pro supex big ace is soft but still feels stiffer and they both last longer.

use the following chart as a guide to find a softer poly. keep in mind that feel is a subjective rating so a string that is rated softer may still feel stiffer.

http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/issues/200709/stringmap_poly.html

ey039524
03-09-2008, 10:58 AM
I've used Fluoro and I think that SPPP plays similarly to it, but a little softer with not as much bite on the ball. I started getting some elbow problems with Fluoro, so I've been looking for a softer poly with the same amount of bite. I'm currently playing with Big Ace and SPPP in a hybrid with VS Natural gut.

Casey10s
03-10-2008, 03:24 PM
Thanks for the replies, carguy and ey039524. I will look at some of your suggestions.

The main reason I am doing a hybrid was to reduce the cost a little bit from using a full BDE string job. But if I am doing 3 string jobs of hybrid compared to 2 of full natural gut, I am not really saving anything. Once the weather breaks, I will try a full BDE or VS. With the cold weather, the gut doesn't hold up well (tension-wise) in taking it in and out of the cold all the time.

fastdunn
03-10-2008, 04:47 PM
I have yet to play with any polyester that grabs/bites like Luxilon does.

I just don't play with them anymore because they are expensive/stiff and lose tension/feel too quickly for amateurs like me.

I've heard Unique Big Hitter plays like it but have not played with it yet.

mista-k
03-10-2008, 07:33 PM
there is no string like lux ALU (when fresh), only so called alu wannabees...
if you are just avoiding TE then hybrid with nat gut
if not invest in a string machine and string up anytime

-cyberflash <i have 3 reels of this 1.20mm like it alot and weiss ss <reel of 1.20mm> are a good start...

Gennady Mamzhi
03-11-2008, 08:04 AM
Soft poly with better feel and byte...

ClubHoUno
03-11-2008, 08:33 AM
Weiss Canon Silver String 1.20 and Pacific Poly Force Xtreme 16L are two of the best poly like strings there are.

ledor
03-11-2008, 11:09 AM
i put in cyberflash and sppp for my votes

carguy
03-21-2008, 09:39 AM
Casey10s

if you are restringing every 2-3 weeks, it's time to get a string machine. check out the string machine forum here on tt for more info.

this way you can afford to string every 2 weeks. a reel of big ace is around $70 (good for 15-16 racquets) and a basic stringing machine is around $150.

Casey10s
03-21-2008, 10:19 AM
Carguy,

I do have my own stringer. I have had one for almost 10 years now. With a whole bed of natural gut, I was stringing about once a month or so. With using this set-up, I am stringing about once every 2 weeks. I don't have a lot of free time, so I do so most of my stringing towards midnight. I am tired then and tend to make mistakes that take me even longer to string a racquet.

Using a hybrid combination and stringing at the frequency I have been, I am not really saving any money on strings. I am still spending about $250 dollars every 4 months on strings.

My last string job was to put the natural gut in the mains and the Fluoro in the crosses. The tension seems to be holding. I will know better at the end of next week.

When the weather breaks, I am going to string a whole bed with natural gut and see how the racquet plays. I haven't done this with this frame.

Wondertoy
04-07-2008, 10:45 PM
SPPP does not have the power of Lux ALU.

carguy
04-16-2008, 04:23 PM
When the weather breaks, I am going to string a whole bed with natural gut and see how the racquet plays. I haven't done this with this frame.


Casey10s

how did it go with ng? i just did a friend's racquet with klip armour pro ng. he's complaining that it doesn't spin as much as his poly setup (msv hex focus or lux bb alu rough) but the feel is much better. no reports on durability and tension maintenacne yet.

stormholloway
04-16-2008, 04:33 PM
ALU Fluoro is probably the sweetest playing poly out there, but it does die.

I use Competition. I think it's the best alternative.

Wondertoy
04-16-2008, 06:28 PM
Competition doesn't have the feel and comfort of PolyStar Energy.

stormholloway
04-16-2008, 08:35 PM
Competition is plenty comfortable, and who the hell buys a poly for feel?

Casey10s
04-16-2008, 08:47 PM
In my search for a replacement for Fluoro, I have/will be trying the following strings in the next few months.

TopSpin Cyber Power
Kirschbaum Pro Line No. 2
WeissCannon Silverstring

I have a racquet with Kirschbaum in the crosses and BDE in the mains and I think I strung the Kirschbaum too tight even though I used the same tension as the Fluoro. Can't get it to play the way I like. I will have to wait until the tension drops a little more where I can then get a good idea how it plays.

The next string job will the WeissCannon. The Kirschbaum seems to be the stiffest of the 3 with the TopSpin and WeissCannon somewhat similar in stiffness. The Kirschbaum is noticeably more stiffer that the Fluoro. Next stiffer seems to be the TopSpin and the WeissCannon seems to be similar to the Fluoro.

If I find a string I like in the crosses, I am going to try VS Gut in the mains and see how this combination works.

carguy
04-22-2008, 08:58 AM
In my search for a replacement for Fluoro, I have/will be trying the following strings in the next few months.

TopSpin Cyber Power
Kirschbaum Pro Line No. 2
WeissCannon Silverstring


also have a look at pro supex big ace. not as soft as cp but good combination of durability, softness and feel.

rorschack
04-22-2008, 09:32 AM
Put Big Hitter on your list as replacement for Lux. From my reading, lots of people said it's closest to it.

Bubba
04-22-2008, 09:59 AM
Hello,

I have been using Luxilon ALU Flouro 17 in the mains and BDE Perf 17 in the crosses. The racquet plays well for about 10 to 14 days and then the tension goes away on the Luxilon. At that point, the control and feel goes away and I start to spray balls all over the place. I have started to try other strings to see if I can get longer life on the mains. I am hoping to get somewhere around 3 weeks out of a set.

When I did a full natural gut on the old racquets, I would get 3 weeks out of a string job before the tension would go away. Sometimes I would lose tension before that but it would mostly be due to moving the racquets between different temperature extremes (mostly between cold and indoor).

Also, once I lose tension, I cut the old strings out and put new ones in. I do my own stringing. I have also used Gamma Zo True 17 but to me it seems too stiff.

My racquet is the Wilson K95 ( 16x18 ).

Any suggestions on what else to try? Maybe the Weiss Cannon strings?

Give Signum Pro Hextreme a try... I switched off Lux to this b/c Lux has horrible tension maintenance... the SPH is absolutely awesome.

Casey10s
04-23-2008, 09:16 AM
Thanks for the additional suggestions. I will keep them in mind on my next string order.

I know one thing, Kirschbaum Pro Line No. 2 is off the list. To me it is probably a little too stiff and I can't generate the spin as I can with the Fluoro. The balls hit with the Kirschbaum seems to go into the net or way long when I try to put spin on the ball. Could be my swing with this string but it just not working for me.

stormholloway
04-23-2008, 05:38 PM
Casey10s

it looks like few if any of the posters on this thread have actually used fluoro.

i've used fluoro in the past and like it a lot except for its tension maintenance. haven't found an exact match but topspin cyber power feels softer and pro supex big ace is soft but still feels stiffer and they both last longer.

use the following chart as a guide to find a softer poly. keep in mind that feel is a subjective rating so a string that is rated softer may still feel stiffer.

http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/issues/200709/stringmap_poly.html

As someone who has played ALU Fluoro I'll step in here.

This is far and away the sweetest poly I've ever played. The cupping and spin are unbelievable and it's as soft as a bosom.

Now if the OP is saying he gets 10 to 14 days with this string then I see no reason to change. You're not going to do that much better than that with other polys and you sure as hell won't get a sweeter playing poly that Fluoro. That's my two cents. I never got that much time out of it so I switched, but it's the best poly on the market in my opinion.

I will however, be giving Pacific Xtreme a try based on an earlier suggestion.

baseline08thrasher
04-23-2008, 09:07 PM
there is nothing better than luxillon to make the stringbed feel as good as it makes it feel.

Wondertoy
04-24-2008, 07:09 AM
As someone who has played ALU Fluoro I'll step in here.

This is far and away the sweetest poly I've ever played. The cupping and spin are unbelievable and it's as soft as a bosom.


Have you played with PolyStar Energy? It is a softer sweet poly and at $9. I can't bring myself to pay $17 for the Fluoro although I would like to try it.

stormholloway
04-24-2008, 09:13 AM
Fluoro is pricey, but I figure if I'm paying 25-35 bucks for gut then 17 dollars isn't a big deal. Never played with PolyStar Energy.

Casey10s
05-04-2008, 08:54 PM
The last string job I used the Weiss Cannon Silverstring 1.20 in the crosses and the my usual BDE Perf 17 in the mains. The first few times out, I had some problems hitting my shots the way I like but since then this combination have been playing pretty close to the Fluoro 17/BDE combination that I like. I will have to now see how the tension holds up on the Silverstring.

I am not sure if the problems I had with new strings were breaking them in or it was due to the Kirschbuam Pro Line No. 2 that I had in a racquet from the last string job. I may have changed my shots to compensate for the Kirschbaum. I couldn't get much spin on the ball with those strings. I either hit it into the net or floated them deep on the court, not what I want.

Now I feel that I got my game back. I been hitting pretty good forehands crosscourt, down the line, or inside out with pace and spin. I have been able to hit backhands with topspin short crosscourt and also been able to hit some pretty good serves. This was the game that I had with the Fluoro/BDE combo and now the Silverstring/BDE combo.

I still have the Topspin CyberPower to try that I have in the house. Also, I may try some of the suggestions that were made recently since the last time I bought string.

ey039524
06-15-2008, 10:16 PM
I've been looking for a comfortable poly that has as much bite as Fluoro. I've tried Big Ace, Big Ace Micro, SPPP, Tecnifibre Promix, Pro Supex Poly Power Soft, and Polyfibre TCS in full jobs. I've tried Blue Gear, SPPP, and Big Ace in mains with VS gut and multis in the crosses (this is more comfortable but doesn't have as much bite as a full poly, IMO).

I'm currently using Babolat Pro Hurricane 18 and Silverstring 120 in full jobs. They feel like they have good bite, but now I want to try Fluoro again to compare.

What's your take on Silverstring?

Casey10s
06-24-2008, 01:47 PM
I think I have settled on using VS Gut 17 in the mains (maybe BDE Perf 17 once in a while) and Weisscannon Silverstring 17 in the crosses. The Silverstring seems to be the closest of the ones I tried to ALU Fluoro. The Topspin CyberPower didn't seem to generate the spin as the Fluoro and Silverstring. The Kirschbaum didn't work at all. It was too stiff for my arm.

As stated, I am using a K95 ( 16 x 18 ) with the mains strung at 61# and the crosses at 56#. This seems to be a good tension combination. Any lower and my balls sail long. Tension holding has been good with this combination. I think I am getting about 25 to 30 hours before the tension falls to where I have trouble controlling my shots. This should get me about 3 weeks of playing before new strings are needed.

rorourboat320
06-25-2008, 06:47 PM
my alternative for luxilon was pro supex big ace. others also like blue gear but haven't tried it yet. hope that helps

brayman9
06-25-2008, 06:59 PM
Kirschbaum Pro Line I

ey039524
06-26-2008, 12:32 AM
Casey, are you getting as much bite with gut mains and poly crosses as you did with the reverse?

miniRafa386
06-26-2008, 07:44 AM
kirschbaum p2.

Casey10s
07-10-2008, 08:20 AM
Casey, are you getting as much bite with gut mains and poly crosses as you did with the reverse?

The difference to me is not very noticeable and does nothing to affect the playability. What I do notice is that the tension holding is better with the NG in the mains rather that in the X's. In talking with some other people, it could be that with the strings being shorter in the X's, the polyester's drop off in tension is not as noticeable.

ey039524
07-11-2008, 08:35 PM
I hit with Silverstring a few times now, and I'm convinced that it's nearly identical to Fluoro, from what I can tell. I used both as full jobs, but I don't think my elbow can take it. I'm going to recommend SS to some friends who currently use Fluoro and see what they think.

As for me, I'm trying some of the softest polys in full jobs and if they still hurt my elbow, then I'm going to go back to hybrids of poly and NG/multi. I've been using Bab Pro Hurricane 18 and it feels soft, but still has plenty of bite. I haven't had the big drop off in tension that everyone else has experienced. I'm also going to try Head Sonic Pro.

2nd_Serve
07-12-2008, 12:23 AM
Some people on this forum regard Topspin Cyberflash as a cheap mans Luxilon.

Try Pacific Xtreme 16L. It is very close in feel to ALU, but holds tension unbelievably well.

A lot of people say these are very similar. I guess in some ways they are, but Topspin is just slightly softer.