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kenshireen
03-13-2008, 09:36 AM
TW sells a 660 reel of micro (w/o printing on string) for around $30 and sells a 330 reel of micro sheep for $34. Is there something I am missing here... Why would one be twice as expensive as the other. Are they not both basically the same string.

Thanks, Ken

YULitle
03-13-2008, 11:49 AM
I'd like an answer to this as well. :D

saram
03-13-2008, 11:54 AM
If I am reading it right--the difference is the sheep has the string imprinted with the brand and info while the micro does not have the labeling on the string itself.

That is my theory, at least...

itsstephenyo
03-13-2008, 01:14 PM
Yea, TW's description says that, but when I was stringing a couple of racquets with OG Micro (not the Sheep), I still found the brand info on it. The string itself says "Gosen Micro 16 Japan." The box says Gosen Micro OG Sheep.

I dunno. Maybe TW sent me Micro Sheep, but I only ordered the Micro.

YULitle
03-13-2008, 01:33 PM
Heh, I didn't even notice. The reel I just bought was OG-Micro 660. They sent me OG-Micro Sheep 660. :D

itsstephenyo
03-13-2008, 01:40 PM
Heh, I didn't even notice. The reel I just bought was OG-Micro 660. They sent me OG-Micro Sheep 660. :D

I'm guessing the same thing happened to me. I ordered OG Micro and got OG Micro Sheep. I'm not complaining.

YULitle
03-13-2008, 01:41 PM
I'm guessing the same thing happened to me. I ordered OG Micro and got OG Micro Sheep. I'm not complaining.

It's just funny cause I was looking at my reel and looking at the reel of Sheep on the screen thinking, they look the same! I didn't read the title. :D

itsstephenyo
03-13-2008, 01:54 PM
Whoop, nevermind. I got the OG Micro. I didn't even bother to look at the reel designs.

ctdeuce
03-13-2008, 01:54 PM
What is the difference between the 2 strings?

YULitle
03-13-2008, 01:58 PM
That's what we're trying to figure out. For the record. My reel says Micro-Sheep but the string just says Micro (Gosen Micro 17 Japan, to be exact.)

ctdeuce
03-13-2008, 02:07 PM
haha thats outrageous. I just ordered some micro-sheep on a buddies suggestion...I hope I get...uhh...the good one?

Oh yeah YU...i'm buying a klippermate used for $60 with all the tools and manuals. I'm pumped!

YULitle
03-13-2008, 02:07 PM
Sweet deal! :D

ctdeuce
03-13-2008, 02:52 PM
I thought you'd like to hear about that. I thought it was an awesome deal!

nguyenandyy
03-13-2008, 05:15 PM
Uhh
they probably charge tons more jut to pring out the "sheep" on the string

Nuke
03-13-2008, 06:43 PM
There's been a boatload of threads on this exact topic - it's a perennial favorite. Some people swear that they are the same string with different labeling. Others claim they are completely different strings. We never seem to come to a consensus.

Here's some previous threads. There may be more.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=172196
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=168197
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=162297
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=149227
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=137500
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=122973
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=115468
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=90459
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=69100
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=41009
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=40940
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=13985
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=8698
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=8168
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=2533

diredesire
03-13-2008, 08:19 PM
If I am reading it right--the difference is the sheep has the string imprinted with the brand and info while the micro does not have the labeling on the string itself.

That is my theory, at least...
The generic reels have been labeled for quite a while now (I'd guess over a year or two).

Heh, I didn't even notice. The reel I just bought was OG-Micro 660. They sent me OG-Micro Sheep 660. :D
I would guess they sent you OG Micro in a OG-Sheep micro reel.


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As far as differences, I found the non-generic sheep micro to be more lively, powerful, comfortable, but less durable. The generic plays alright by any standard, but the non-generic is really "nice." (More smooth feel to me).


The generic micro reels seem a little stiffer to me, a little more durable (not really much), and a little more dead.

I should note that I don't even stock the micro sheep even though I think it's a good (great?) string. The price:performance ratio of the generic reels is simply AWESOME.

tbini87
03-13-2008, 09:52 PM
^yeah, the generic reel can't be beat. such a good price/performance ratio i can't really justify not hybriding. solid string all the way around, and seems fairly durable for a syn gut too.

YULitle
03-14-2008, 03:34 AM
I don't know what's worse, that none of us searched to start with, or that the previously posted threads all have the same advice: "This has already been debated, do a search." :D

barry
03-14-2008, 05:32 AM
So many posts from people who have never tried both. I have both, and they are the same string.

TW comment: "This is the same string as standard OG Sheep Micro 17g. But without the name printed on the actual string."

Is a true statement. Sometimes the ink runs out and they sell the non-labeled version for less. I have used several reels, and often it is labeled inconsistently.

It is a very nice string and at $29.99 a great buy! I also use a lot of Babolat Super fine play which is less lively and softer.

diredesire
03-14-2008, 06:10 AM
So many posts from people who have never tried both. I have both, and they are the same string.

TW comment: "This is the same string as standard OG Sheep Micro 17g. But without the name printed on the actual string."

Is a true statement. Sometimes the ink runs out and they sell the non-labeled version for less. I have used several reels, and often it is labeled inconsistently.

It is a very nice string and at $29.99 a great buy! I also use a lot of Babolat Super fine play which is less lively and softer.

If they're exactly the same thing, how come the 330' reels do not come in the same color(s)?

I've hit with both extensively and I feel they are noticeably different.

YULitle
03-14-2008, 06:50 AM
Perhaps this is something that needs to be stickied? Or more clearly stated on the TT web site.

barry
03-14-2008, 07:45 AM
If they're exactly the same thing, how come the 330' reels do not come in the same color(s)?

I've hit with both extensively and I feel they are noticeably different.


Are you implying TW is misleading the public? Also concerning color, maybe TW only stocks the more popular colors for the discount price.

I sent an Email to Gosen asking for clarification. The string sets I have are identical and play the same. From my point of view, and many customers who use it, the 660’ reel for $29.95 is fantastic bargain, and who cares if it has Gosen on the string.

If I remember right, there are 5 companies who actually produce string, the rest are resellers. Gosen is a manufacturer of strings.

Will post when I hear something.

YULitle
03-14-2008, 07:48 AM
barry: I've heard the same thing. So, it's Gosen, Tecnifibre, Babolat, Luxilon and who else? I'm extremely interested in knowing this. :D

I also emailed Gosen with this question (about the Micro.) :D

barry
03-14-2008, 08:11 AM
barry: I've heard the same thing. So, it's Gosen, Tecnifibre, Babolat, Luxilon and who else? I'm extremely interested in knowing this. :D

I also emailed Gosen with this question (about the Micro.) :D


If I remember right, it was TOA. Found this history.
http://www.toalson.co.jp/ENGLISH/history.html

YULitle
03-14-2008, 08:29 AM
I would love for there to be a little more transparency with these sorts of issues. For instance, take any Head string, where did it come from? If they are not making it, who is?

SW Stringer
03-14-2008, 09:19 AM
If I remember right, it was TOA. Found this history.
http://www.toalson.co.jp/ENGLISH/history.html


Yes, I've seen that history before too. You'll notice Gosen/TOA were the same company for 28 years, then split in 1984. Another company not mentioned is Ashaway - the only US manufacturer of string. Just scanning the list at TW I also see Kirschbaum - they too make string.

I'm also fairly sure that Forten, Gamma, Head, Prince, Pro Kennex, Unique, and Wilson are marketing companies that subcontract out their string manufacturing. It may also be true of Alpha, Dunlop, Fischer, LaserFibre, Volkl, and Yonex - but don't know for sure. There's a few others on the TW string brands logo page that I won't hazard to guess.

So, how many actual manufacturing companies does that leave? Nine or ten?

YULitle
03-14-2008, 09:23 AM
Well, add Ashaway and Kirschbaum you have 7.

SW Stringer
03-14-2008, 09:46 AM
Well, add Ashaway and Kirschbaum you have 7.

I was counting BDE and BOW. Didn't know about Klip, Pacific, Iso-Speed, and Weiss-Cannon. Heck, could be as many as 13! :)

barry
03-14-2008, 10:03 AM
Ashway since 1949. R.I. Only American Manufacturer of string.

We need a show "how its made" for tennis string. NRG2 would be interesting.

Here is a short clip on balls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oICVzJj8EUM

SW Stringer
03-14-2008, 10:58 AM
Ashway since 1949. R.I. Only American Manufacturer of string.

We need a show "how its made" for tennis string. NRG2 would be interesting.

Here is a short clip on balls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oICVzJj8EUM

Chris Edwards did a VLOG on this site at the Tecnifibre plant showing how string was manufactured and tested in the lab. I can't seem to find it now though. OK, found it at the sticky - Ultimate String durability testing - it also has two videos on the making of string. Good stuff! :)

YULitle
03-14-2008, 11:00 AM
I thought of BDE and BOW when I was at lunch. :D Too late. :)

There should be a list of these things. And a list of where all the strings come from. It's almost as if they don't want us to know though. :D

diredesire
03-14-2008, 11:59 AM
Are you implying TW is misleading the public? Also concerning color, maybe TW only stocks the more popular colors for the discount price.

I sent an Email to Gosen asking for clarification. The string sets I have are identical and play the same. From my point of view, and many customers who use it, the 660 reel for $29.95 is fantastic bargain, and who cares if it has Gosen on the string.

If I remember right, there are 5 companies who actually produce string, the rest are resellers. Gosen is a manufacturer of strings.

Will post when I hear something.

I think TW states what they know, and it isn't definitive, judging from the information we have on hand about manufacturers. I would be interested to hear from Gosen, but I would take any response with a grain of salt unless it was an engineer. They used to stock other colors of the OG Sheep micro (white, yellow, etc) but they were NOT the same colors as the generic reels. The natural is the exception, of course.

YULitle
03-14-2008, 12:23 PM
DD: I'll let you know as soon as they get back to me. But, they may get back to you quicker, being a Mod (perhaps?). Maybe if we all asked, they'd get back to us quicker? :D

kenshireen
03-16-2008, 08:48 AM
I have both in 17G and string both... They feel and look the same. And I'll bet they are the same... They may have added the "sheep" name after the micro string had already been out...
You would think that TW could get a definitive answer since they sell the product...They do say the "same except without the printing" so pmaybe the printing is an expensive process. Or maybe the string wo the printing is not up to their standards so the do not immprint the name of the string.

This is all conjecture and hopefully Gosen will respond with the facts.

Ken

barry
03-17-2008, 08:55 AM
Update from Gosen Email:

"All the same string, just a lot better value for the 220M/660 ft. reel because of the volume we use compared to tthe 100M/330 ft. reel. In the next few months we will discontinue the 100M/330 ft. reel.

Thank You!
Sportmode, Inc.
Gosen America"

It sure feels the same to me and is great string!

fuhzball
03-17-2008, 09:08 AM
ditto........

YULitle
03-17-2008, 09:50 AM
Interesting. A testament to the power of thought. :D

scowalters
03-17-2008, 08:32 PM
I always thought PK manufactured their own string. Only string made in Taiwan I've found.