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llgc8080
03-19-2008, 04:06 AM
Guys, I saw in other threads that you know much about the WCT events. Have you a list of the tornaments with the winners (and dates of course)? I know just a little: like a posted in another thread, the ATP don't "count" the WCT Challenge Cup played along the 70's. Thank you!

Micce
03-19-2008, 05:37 AM
Guys, I saw in other threads that you know much about the WCT events. Have you a list of the tornaments with the winners (and dates of course)? I know just a little: like a posted in another thread, the ATP don't "count" the WCT Challenge Cup played along the 70's. Thank you!

Have a look at the following page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Championship_Tennis

llgc8080
03-19-2008, 05:44 AM
Thank you micce!!!

llgc8080
03-19-2008, 05:46 AM
I found this in a pdf file from ATP; for 1976:

LAST DAY TOURNAMENT SINGLES WINNER SINGLES FINALIST
Jan. 11 Dispatch Charities (Columbus) Arthur Ashe Andrew Pattison
Jan. 11 Copa Serfin (Monterrey) Eddie Dibbs Harold Solomon B.
Jan. 18 Merchants Bank (Indianapolis) Arthur Ashe Vitas Gerulaitis
Jan. 18 Phoenix Cup (Atlanta) Ilie Nastase Jeff Borowiak
Feb. 1 U.S. Pro Indoor (Philadelphia) Jimmy Connors Bjorn Borg
Feb. 8 United Virginia Bank (Richmond) Arthur Ashe Brian Gottfried
Feb. 8 Banca Catalana (Barcelona) Eddie Dibbs Cliff Drysdale
Feb. 15 Rothmans (Toronto) Bjorn Borg Vitas Gerulaitis
Feb. 15 Lagos, Nigeria Dick Stockton Arthur Ashe
Feb. 22 Copa Puma (Rome) Arthur Ashe Bob Lutz
Feb. 22 St. Louis Classic Guillermo Vilas Vijay Amritraj
Feb. 29 ABN (Rotterdam) Arthur Ashe Bob Lutz
Feb. 29 Robintech (Fort Worth) Guillermo Vilas Phil Dent
Mar. 14 Racquet Club (Memphis) Vijay Amritraj Stan Smith
Mar. 14 Old Spice (Mexico City) Raul Ramirez Eddie Dibbs
Mar. 21 Tennis South Invitational (Jackson) Ken Rosewall Raul Ramirez
Mar. 21 Washington, D.C. Harold Solomon Onny Parun
Apr. 4 Altamira (Caracas) Raul Ramirez Ilie Nastase
Apr. 4 Copersucar (Sao Paulo) Bjorn Borg Guillermo Vilas
Apr. 11 Clows Classic (Johannesburg) Onny Parun Cliff Drysdale
Apr. 11 River Oaks (Houston) Harold Solomon Ken Rosewall
Apr. 18 Marlboro Classic (Monte Carlo) Guillermo Vilas Wojtek Fibak
Apr. 18 NCNB (Charlotte) Tony Roche Vitas Gerulaitis
Apr. 24 Opel (Stockholm) Wojtek Fibak Ilie Nastase
Apr. 25 United Bank Classic (Denver) Jimmy Connors Ross Case
May 9 WCT Finals (Dallas) Bjorn Borg Guillermo Vilas
May 3 WCT Challenge Cup (Honolulu) Ilie Nastase Arthur Ashe
Dec. 19 WCT Challenge Cup (Las Vegas) Ilie Nastase Jimmy Connors

llgc8080
03-19-2008, 05:47 AM
And for 1975:

LAST DAY TOURNAMENT SINGLES WINNER SINGLES FINALIST
Jan. 26 U.S. Pro Indoor Championships (Philadelphia) Marty Riessen Vitas Gerulaitis
Feb. 2 Richmond Tennis Classic Bjorn Borg Arthur Ashe
Feb. 9 Havatampa-Raymond James Tennis Classic Raul Ramirez Roscoe Tanner
(St. Petersburg)
Feb. 12 WCT International (Bologna) Bjorn Borg Arthur Ashe
Feb. 16 Rothmans International (Toronto) Harold Solomon Stan Smith
Feb. 23 Michelob Pro-Celebrity (LaCosta) Rod Laver Allan Stone
Feb. 23 Banca Catalana (Barcelona) Arthur Ashe Bjorn Borg
Feb. 23 Robintech Classic (Fort Worth) John Alexander Dick Stockton
Mar. 2 San Antonio Tennis Classic Dick Stockton Stan Smith
Mar. 2 Algemene Bank Nederland (Rotterdam) Arthur Ashe Tom Okker
Mar. 8 Rothmans International Trophy (London) Mark Cox Brian Fairlie
Mar. 16 Xerox Tennis Classic (Washington, D.C.) Mark Cox Dick Stockton
Mar. 16 Munich International (Munich) Arthur Ashe Bjorn Borg
Mar. 16 Cospersucar (Sao Paulo) Rod Laver Charlie Pasarell
Mar. 23 Memphis Classic Harold Solomon Jiri Hrebec D
Mar. 23 Altamira International (Caracas) Rod Laver Raul Ramirez
Mar. 30 Marlboro Classic (Monte Carlo) Manuel Orantes Bob Hewitt
Mar. 30 First National Bank Classic (Atlanta) Mark Cox John Alexander
Mar. 30 WCT Classic (Orlando) Rod Laver Vitas Gerulaitis
Apr. 13 St. Louis Classic Vitas Gerulaitis Roscoe Tanner
Apr. 19 Clows Classic (Johannesburg) Buster Mottram Tom Okker
Apr. 20 United Bank Tennis Classic (Denver) Jimmy Connors Brian Gottfried
Apr. 20 Kawasaki Classic (Tokyo) Bob Lutz Stan Smith
Apr. 27 River Oaks-American General Invitational (Houston) Ken Rosewall Cliff Drysdale
Apr. 27 Open International Tennis Cup (Stockholm) Arthur Ashe Tom Okker
Apr. 27 NCNB Tennis Classic (Charlotte) Raul Ramirez Roscoe Tanner
May 11 WCT Finals (Dallas) Arthur Ashe Bjorn Borg

For 1974:

LAST DAY TOURNAMENT SINGLES WINNER SINGLES FINALIST
Jan. 27 U.S. Pro Indoor (Philadelphia) Rod Laver Arthur Ashe
Feb. 3 Fidelity Tournament (Richmond) Ilie Nastase Tom Gorman
Feb. 10 St. Petersburg, Russia John Newcombe Alex Metreveli
Feb. 17 Rothmans (Toronto) Tom Okker Ilie Nastase
Feb. 17 Astor Cup (Bologna) Arthur Ashe Mark Cox
Feb. 24 Hempstead, N.Y. Stan Smith John Newcombe
Feb. 24 Rothmans (London) Bjorn Borg Mark Cox
Mar. 3 Saga Bay Classic (Miami) Cliff Drysdale Tom Gorman
Mar. 3 La Costa John Newcombe Stan Smith
Mar. 3 Barcelona Arthur Ashe Bjorn Borg
Mar. 17 Washington, D.C. Ilie Nastase Tom Okker
Mar. 17 Sao Paulo Bjorn Borg Arthur Ashe
Mar. 31 Rotterdam Tom Okker Tom Gorman
Mar. 31 Atlanta Dick Stockton Jiri Hrebec
Mar. 31 Palm Desert Rod Laver Roscoe Tanner
Apr. 7 Munich Frew McMillan Niki Pilic
Apr. 7 New Orleans John Newcombe Jeff Borowiak
Apr. 14 Monte Carlo Andrew Pattison Ilie Nastase
Apr. 14 Orlando John Newcombe Jaime Fillol
Apr. 14 Tokyo Rod Laver Juan Gisbert
Apr. 21 Johannesburg Andrew Pattison John Alexander
Apr. 21 Charlotte Jeff Borowiak Dick Stockton
Apr. 21 Houston Rod Laver Bjorn Borg
Apr. 28 St. Louis Stan Smith Alex Metreveli I.
Apr. 28 Denver Roscoe Tanner Arthur Ashe
May 12 WCT Finals (Dallas) John Newcombe Bjorn Borg

llgc8080
03-19-2008, 05:48 AM
For 1977:

LAST DAY TOURNAMENT SINGLES WINNER SINGLES FINALIST
Jan. 16 Birmingham International Indoor Championships Jimmy Connors Bill Scanlon
Jan. 30 U.S. Pro Indoor Championships (Philadelphia) Dick Stockton Jimmy Connors
Feb. 6 United Virginia Bank Classic (Richmond) Tom Okker Vitas Gerulaitis
Feb. 13 Copa Old Spice (Mexico City) Ilie Nastase Wojtek Fibak
Feb. 20 Rothmans International (Toronto) Dick Stockton Jimmy Connors
Mar. 8 Copa Serfin (Monterrey) Wojtek Fibak Vitas Gerulaitis
Mar. 20 St. Louis Classic Jimmy Connors John Alexander
Apr. 3 ABN World Tennis (Rotterdam) Dick Stockton Ilie Nastase
Apr. 3 World Series of Tennis (London) Eddie Dibbs Vitas Gerulaitis
Apr. 10 International Classic (Monte Carlo) Bjorn Borg Corrado Barazzutti
Apr. 18 River Oaks/Alexander & Alexander (Houston) Adriano Panatta Vitas Gerulaitis
Apr. 24 Big Boy Classic (Charlotte) Corrado Barazzutti Eddie Dibbs
May 15 WCT Finals (Dallas) Jimmy Connors Dick Stockton
Sept. 17 Shakey’s Tournament of Champions (New York) Harold Solomon Ken Rosewall
Nov. 20 WCT Challenge Cup (Las Vegas) Jimmy Connors Roscoe Tanner

llgc8080
03-19-2008, 05:55 AM
78
Dec. 9 WCT Challenge Cup (Montreal) $320,000 Bjorn Borg Jimmy Connors

79
Dec. 14 WCT Challenge Cup (Montreal) $320,000 John McEnroe Vijay Amritraj

llgc8080
03-19-2008, 06:11 AM
1978
Dec. 17 WCT Challenge Cup (Montego Bay) $320,000 Ilie Nastase d. Peter Fleming

llgc8080
03-19-2008, 06:12 AM
I'd made a mistake, tournaments won by Borg and McEnroe were in 79 and 80, not in 78 and 79.

urban
03-19-2008, 06:26 AM
The regular WCT events, which lead to the WCT finals at Dallas (they should originally be played at MSG New York) were 20 in 1971, with Laver, Rosewall, Newcombe each winning 4. Laver finished first in the points table with Okker second and Rosewall third, Ashe, Drysdale, Newcombe, Rissen and Lutz behind them. Newcombe was injured for the later part of the season. In 1972, the last 10 of 1971 and new 10 events counted for the WCT finals, now played in May. Laver (with 5 new wins) again finished first with Rosewall second. Then they played an autumn circuit with finals at Rome. Newcombe was the point leader, and Ashe the finals winner. In 1973, two groups were operating from January to May with 11 events for each group. Smith won one group (over Laver), Rosewall and Ashe the second. In 1974 three groups played. One was won by Newcombe over Smith, one by Ashe over Laver, Borg, Kodes. In 1975, three groups were operating, one won by Ashe over Borg, one by Laver, one by Riessen (i think). While they were reduced to play from January to May by an agreement with the ITF, WCT overexpanded with its separate groups.Both factors contributed to its ultimate downfall.

andfor
03-19-2008, 06:41 AM
The regular WCT events, which lead to the WCT finals at Dallas (they should originally be played at MSG New York) were 20 in 1971, with Laver, Rosewall, Newcombe each winning 4. Laver finished first in the points table with Okker second and Rosewall third, Ashe, Drysdale, Newcombe, Rissen and Lutz behind them. Newcombe was injured for the later part of the season. In 1972, the last 10 of 1971 and new 10 events counted for the WCT finals, now played in May. Laver (with 5 new wins) again finished first with Rosewall second. Then they played an autumn circuit with finals at Rome. Newcombe was the point leader, and Ashe the finals winner. In 1973, two groups were operating from January to May with 11 events for each group. Smith won one group (over Laver), Rosewall and Ashe the second. In 1974 two groups played. One was won by Newcombe over Smith, one by Ashe over Laver, Borg, Kodes. In 1975, three groups were operating, one won by Ashe over Borg, one by Laver, one by Riessen (i think). While they were reduced to play from January to May by an agreement with the ITF, WCT overexpanded with its separate groups.Both factors contributed to its ultimate downfall.

To add context. I believe a major part of the allure of the WCT events was big prize money. That may, if I recall correctly, also had something to do with the downfall as I believe TV and ticket revenues could not keep up. Lamar Hunt was the big backer and likey used much of his own money to finance the WCT. I also vaguely remember certain players did not like to play those events. Did some players boycott or refuse to play WCT?

urban
03-19-2008, 07:13 AM
Lamar Hunt got into tennis in 1967, when he founded the pro group WCT, the 'handsome eight', with Newcombe, Roche, Drysdale, Pilic and others. The fisrt years 68 and 69 were financial failures, but since 1970, when he attracted other pros like Laver, Rosewall, Ashe and Okker, his WCT became a big success. It was the first well organized pro series over the whole world, with a real points race (20 events with 32 draws minimum), real good prize money and big TV coverage. His impact was great, but conflicted with the interests of the ITF and ATP. Both rivalling organizations (not the least Jack Kramer himself) tried all they could to shut Hunt and WCT out of the game. They reduced the WCT series to a spring series from January to May, and tried to keep leading players away from the WCT. In the early 80s, the WCT series faded away with only 16 men draws (but still big money).

CyBorg
03-19-2008, 10:10 AM
78
Dec. 9 WCT Challenge Cup (Montreal) $320,000 Bjorn Borg Jimmy Connors — —
79
Dec. 14 WCT Challenge Cup (Montreal) $320,000 John McEnroe Vijay Amritraj — —

Does anyone have more complete results for the first event listed here? I can't find anything about Borg winning in Montreal in 1978. It says he won there in 1979 in numerous places, including ITF and Wikipedia.

llgc8080
03-19-2008, 12:44 PM
I'd made a mistake, tournaments won by Borg and McEnroe were in 79 and 80, not in 78 and 79.

Look this Cyborg, my mistake.

llgc8080
03-19-2008, 12:49 PM
double post.

CyBorg
03-19-2008, 02:53 PM
Look this Cyborg, my mistake.

Ah, thanks. You should be able to edit your posts, btw.

llgc8080
03-19-2008, 06:01 PM
Yeah, maybe.

garcia_doomer
03-19-2008, 06:09 PM
Thanks for the info! What is btw CyBorg?

CyBorg
03-19-2008, 07:47 PM
Thanks for the info! What is btw CyBorg?

By the way.

AndrewTas
03-20-2008, 03:23 AM
Does anyone have more complete results for the first event listed here? I can't find anything about Borg winning in Montreal in 1978. It says he won there in 1979 in numerous places, including ITF and Wikipedia.

Borg didn't win in Montreal in 1978. He won the WCT Challenge Cup in Montreal on 4-9 December 1979.

Results
SF Borg d. Tim Gullikson 63 62
SF Connors d. Gildemeister 46 60 63

Final
Borg d. Connors 64 62 26 64

CyBorg
03-20-2008, 08:13 AM
Borg didn't win in Montreal in 1978. He won the WCT Challenge Cup in Montreal on 4-9 December 1979.

Results
SF Borg d. Tim Gullikson 63 62
SF Connors d. Gildemeister 46 60 63

Final
Borg d. Connors 64 62 26 64

I know this, which is why I said that he won in 1979 and not in 1978.

llgc8080
03-23-2008, 06:28 PM
I know this, which is why I said that he won in 1979 and not in 1978.

btw CyBorg, being a internet surfer don't make you a tennis master.
Keep with wiki, itf and atp web pages, maybe you learn a little bit! At least I go to all events played in my country, and see ALIVE all the matches. Come to Paris and I'll kick your a.. in my tennis club, cuase I'm pretty sure that you never pick up a raquet in your life. :evil:

And you can edit your posts with at least 60 published. I can't do that before.

llgc8080
04-01-2008, 12:52 PM
It's true that WCT events don't count with points to ATP?
The WCT had a winner by year like the Grand Prix? Can anyone help me with the info?
Thank you urban & andfor!

andfor
04-01-2008, 01:34 PM
It's true that WCT events don't count with points to ATP?
The WCT had a winner by year like the Grand Prix? Can anyone help me with the info?
Thank you urban & andfor!

I vaguely remember something to that effect. Urban most likely will know.

Are you writing a paper or something?

llgc8080
04-01-2008, 01:41 PM
I vaguely remember something to that effect. Urban most likely will know.

Are you writing a paper or something?

Yes! I write in a local newspaper, only about tennis -I live 10km from Paris, in a very small town (900 people!)-. I wish that people don't think only in Roger, Rafa or Nole. Thank you anyway &4!

Moose Malloy
04-01-2008, 01:51 PM
It's true that WCT events don't count with points to ATP?
The WCT had a winner by year like the Grand Prix?

Yes, its true the WCT events(& the Masters) did not count for atp ranking. And the WCT did have their own rankings as well.

And then the Grand Prix had their own ranking as well.

It really was chaos back then.

andfor
04-01-2008, 03:09 PM
Yes! I write in a local newspaper, only about tennis -I live 10km from Paris, in a very small town (900 people!)-. I wish that people don't think only in Roger, Rafa or Nole. Thank you anyway &4!

Very cool. Send me a link when you can so I can read some of your published material. Post it here or send it to me e-mail from my profile if you can.

llgc8080
04-01-2008, 04:50 PM
Very soon we'll be on the net! The first thing I do it's let you know, I promise!

llgc8080
04-01-2008, 04:54 PM
Thank you Moose too.

llgc8080
04-07-2008, 11:00 AM
The regular WCT events, which lead to the WCT finals at Dallas (they should originally be played at MSG New York) were 20 in 1971, with Laver, Rosewall, Newcombe each winning 4. Laver finished first in the points table with Okker second and Rosewall third, Ashe, Drysdale, Newcombe, Rissen and Lutz behind them. Newcombe was injured for the later part of the season. In 1972, the last 10 of 1971 and new 10 events counted for the WCT finals, now played in May. Laver (with 5 new wins) again finished first with Rosewall second. Then they played an autumn circuit with finals at Rome. Newcombe was the point leader, and Ashe the finals winner. In 1973, two groups were operating from January to May with 11 events for each group. Smith won one group (over Laver), Rosewall and Ashe the second. In 1974 two groups played. One was won by Newcombe over Smith, one by Ashe over Laver, Borg, Kodes. In 1975, three groups were operating, one won by Ashe over Borg, one by Laver, one by Riessen (i think). While they were reduced to play from January to May by an agreement with the ITF, WCT overexpanded with its separate groups.Both factors contributed to its ultimate downfall.

urban, can you give the winners in points in the next years? Thanks.

andfor
04-07-2008, 11:54 AM
urban, can you give the winners in points in the next years? Thanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Championship_Tennis

Scroll to the bottom of the page. It that what you're looking for? As with all information on the web, double check it with another source.

AndrewTas
04-07-2008, 03:47 PM
It's true that WCT events don't count with points to ATP?
The WCT had a winner by year like the Grand Prix? Can anyone help me with the info?
Thank you urban & andfor!

The WCT had point system independent of the ATP and Grand Prix rankings. In the first two years there were three finals and three final standings and the 8 finalists for the finals were taken from the rankings. All the players played in the same tournaments for the first two years.

1971 World Championship of Tennis final standings
No. 1 Rod Laver
No. 2 Tom Okker
No. 3 Ken Rosewall
No. 4 Cliff Drysdale
No. 5 Arthur Ashe
No. 6 John Newcombe
No. 7 Marty Riessen
No. 8 Bob Lutz
No. 9 Roy Emerson
No. 10 Andres Gimeno
No. 11 Charlie Pasarell
No. 12 John Alexander
No. 13 Dennis Ralston
=No. 14 Ray Ruffels
=No. 14 El Shafei
=No. 14 Niki Pilic
No. 17 Maud
No. 18 Mark Cox
No. 19 Roger Taylor
No. 20 Fred Stolle

1972 First Part final standings
No. 1 Rod Laver
No. 2 Ken Rosewall
No. 3 Tom Okker
No. 4 Cliff Drysdale
No. 5 Marty Riessen
No. 6 Arthur Ashe
No. 7 Bob Lutz
No. 8 John Newcombe
=No. 9 Roy Emerson
=No. 9 Charlie Pasarell
No. 11 John Alexander
No. 12 Roger Taylor
No. 13 Andres Gimeno
No. 14 Mark Cox
No. 15 Borowiak
=No. 16 Fred Stolle
=No. 16 Niki Pilic
No. 18 El Shafei
=No.19 Bob Carmichael
=No.19 Ray Ruffels

1972 Second Part final standings
No. 1 John Newcombe
No. 2 Arthur Ashe
No. 3 Tom Okker
No. 4 Mark Cox
=No. 5 Cliff Drysdale
=No. 5 Marty Riessen
=No. 7 Bob Lutz
=No. 7 Niki Pilic
=No. 9 Roy Emerson
=No. 9 Anthony Roche
=No. 9 El Shafei
No. 12 Cliff Richey
No. 13 Charlie Pasarell
No. 14 Ray Ruffels
=No. 15 Ken Rosewall
=No. 15 Roger Taylor
No. 17 John Alexander
=No.18 Bob Carmichael
=No.18 Allan Stone
=No.18 Rahim
=No.18 Borowiak

Then in 1973 the WCT players were seperated into two groups, A & B, with each group playing certain tournaments. The Philadelphia tournament at the start of the season had all the players together. The top 4 from each group qualified for the final at the end of the season.

Group A
No. 1 Stan Smith
No. 2 Rod Laver
=No. 3 Roy Emerson
=No. 3 John Alexander
No. 5 Cliff Richey
No. 6 Dick Stockton
No. 7 Bob Lutz
No. 8 Brian Gottfried
No. 9 Colin Dibley
No. 10 J Fillol

Group B
No. 1 Ken Rosewall
No. 2 Arthur Ashe
No. 3 Marty Riessen
=No. 4 Roger Taylor
=No. 4 Mark Cox
No. 6 Brian Fairlie
No. 7 Jan Kodes
No. 8 Tom Okker
No. 9 Roscoe Tanner
No. 10 Tom Gorman

In 1974 the group was divided into three groups, Red, Blue and Green and the top 8 points winners qualified for the final (marked with *). Each group played seperate tournaments except the Philadelphia tournament at the start of the season.

Red Group
No. 1 Nastase*
No. 2 Okker*
No. 3 Gorman
No. 4 Drysdale
No. 5 Pilic
No. 6 Pattison
No. 7 John Alexander
No. 8 Riessen
No. 9 Anthony Roche
No. 10 McMillan

Blue Group
No. 1 John Newcombe*
No. 2 Smith*
No. 3 Metreveli
No. 4 Stockton
No. 5 Hrebec
No. 6 Borowiak
No. 7 Ross Case
No. 8 Ramirez
No. 9 Fillol
No. 10 Richey

Green Group
No. 1 Ashe*
No. 2 Rod Laver*
No. 3 Borg*
No. 4 Kodes*
No. 5 Cox
No. 6 Tanner
No. 7 Dibbs
No. 8 Taylor
No. 9 Panatta
No. 10 Parun

urban
04-07-2008, 09:35 PM
Thanks, Andrew. I had put the stats out of my head. For 1975 i must look at the 1976 edition of World of Tennis. I remember, that Ashe lead one group over Borg(and got a golden ball for overall most points) and Laver another (he won 4 events and 23 matches in a row). In 1976 i still think, that Ashe won the most points. But he lost to Solomon at the Dallas finals, which Borg won over Vilas.I know, that they reduced the regular events to 16 men draws. The Philadelphia opener with a big draw was won by Connors.

urban
04-08-2008, 06:46 AM
One remark on the lists posted by Andrew. If you look at the 1971 points standing of the WCT, you may notice, that the field at that time was pretty deep, reaching into the top twenties. You have pretty good players like Roger Taylor and Fred Stolle on 19 and 20. Taylor was in the sf of Wimbledon in 1967, 1970 and 72, and Stolle was a hall of famer. By 1971 he was a bit over the hill, but still able to beat the leading player Newcombe at USO in 1972.

CyBorg
04-08-2008, 07:47 AM
btw CyBorg, being a internet surfer don't make you a tennis master.
Keep with wiki, itf and atp web pages, maybe you learn a little bit! At least I go to all events played in my country, and see ALIVE all the matches. Come to Paris and I'll kick your a.. in my tennis club, cuase I'm pretty sure that you never pick up a raquet in your life. :evil:

And you can edit your posts with at least 60 published. I can't do that before.

What a weird post. Do we have some kind of rivalry I don't know about? I have said before that I'm a terrible poster and am of overrated intelligence. wink.

llgc8080
04-08-2008, 08:11 AM
What a weird post. Do we have some kind of rivalry I don't know about? I have said before that I'm a terrible poster and am of overrated intelligence. wink.

Not rivalry! You got passion and got your points and beliefs. That's all. And what i say about playing tennis is true, if you come to Paris we can play (I'm a fat and very poor player, I admit!).
And people enjoy your posts (like me).
Greetings (you see, i'm not bad at all):)

llgc8080
04-08-2008, 08:13 AM
btw CyBorg (I learned from you) if you got info about this thread, help me please. Thanxs!

CyBorg
04-08-2008, 08:19 AM
Not rivalry! You got passion and got your points and beliefs. That's all. And what i say about playing tennis is true, if you come to Paris we can play (I'm a fat and very poor player, I admit!).
And people enjoy your posts (like me).
Greetings (you see, i'm not bad at all):)

You should have extended the invitation last Spring. I was in Paris in May/June.

The part about you being fat sounds like a trap. You're clearly trying to get me to relax and underestimate you. All things considered, we would have to incorporate a table tennis match. For the record, I am 'terrible' at table tennis. wink.

llgc8080
04-08-2008, 08:48 AM
You should have extended the invitation last Spring. I was in Paris in May/June.


Damn!

And I'm fat, that's true, ha ha!:)

llgc8080
04-08-2008, 08:59 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Championship_Tennis

Scroll to the bottom of the page. It that what you're looking for? As with all information on the web, double check it with another source.

Thank you &4!
I saw it from micce.
I just want the top positions of every year of WCT, not easy to find!
But we have AndreTas here!!!

Tennisfan!
04-10-2008, 08:09 AM
And 76, 77, 78, 79, 80 info?

Micce
04-10-2008, 10:30 AM
llgc8080, because you're from France, I recommend you to obtain this tennis book for more info about the old tournaments:

Michel Sutter, Vainqueurs 1946-2003, Paris, 2003. Sutter a, dans un premier temps, essayι de recenser tous les tournois internationaux de 1946 ΰ l'automne 1991. Pour chaque tournoi il a indiquι la ville, la date de la finale, le vainqueur, le finaliste et le score de la finale. Un tournoi est inclus dans sa liste si : (1) le tableau comprend au moins huit joueurs (ΰ quelques exceptions prθs comme les tournois Pepsi Grand Slam de la seconde moitiι des annιes 1970; et (2) le niveau du tournoi fut au moins ιgal ΰ celui des tournois challenger de maintenant. Le livre de Sutter est probablement la source la plus exhaustive de tournois depuis la Seconde Guerre mondiale, mκme si quelques tournois professionnels de la pιriode prιcιdent l'θre open ne sont pas enregistrιs. Par la suite Sutter a publiι une deuxiθme ιdition, avec pour seules indications les joueurs, leurs victoires et les annιes correspondantes, sur la pιriode 1946 - 27 avril, 2003.

llgc8080
04-10-2008, 11:47 AM
Yes, I always thought that book was the solution. I hear a lot of it.
Mercy micce.

AndrewTas
04-10-2008, 09:48 PM
llgc8080, because you're from France, I recommend you to obtain this tennis book for more info about the old tournaments:

Michel Sutter, Vainqueurs 1946-2003, Paris, 2003. Sutter a, dans un premier temps, essayι de recenser tous les tournois internationaux de 1946 ΰ l'automne 1991. Pour chaque tournoi il a indiquι la ville, la date de la finale, le vainqueur, le finaliste et le score de la finale. Un tournoi est inclus dans sa liste si : (1) le tableau comprend au moins huit joueurs (ΰ quelques exceptions prθs comme les tournois Pepsi Grand Slam de la seconde moitiι des annιes 1970; et (2) le niveau du tournoi fut au moins ιgal ΰ celui des tournois challenger de maintenant. Le livre de Sutter est probablement la source la plus exhaustive de tournois depuis la Seconde Guerre mondiale, mκme si quelques tournois professionnels de la pιriode prιcιdent l'θre open ne sont pas enregistrιs. Par la suite Sutter a publiι une deuxiθme ιdition, avec pour seules indications les joueurs, leurs victoires et les annιes correspondantes, sur la pιriode 1946 - 27 avril, 2003.

I have wanted to buy this book but dont know where it is available. Any bookstore details in France which I can contact?

AndrewTas
04-10-2008, 10:19 PM
WCT final standings 1976-1983
All the players were put back together and played the same tournaments.
1976
1. Ashe
2. Ramirez
3. Vilas
4. Dibbs
5. Borg
6. Stockton
7. Lutz
8. Solomon
9. Gerulaitus
10. Gottfried
11. Nastase
12. Okker
13. Fibak
14. Drysdale
=15. Case
=15. Rosewall

1977
1. Stockton
2. Dibbs
3. Connors
4. Nastase
=5. Drysdale
=5. Fibak
=5. Gerulaitus
8. Panatta
9. Barazzutti
=10. Solomon
=10. Rosewall
=13. John Alexander
=13. V Amritraj
=13. Roche


1978
1. Gerulaitus
2. Borg
3. Dibbs
4. Ramirez
5. Nastase
6. S Mayer
=7. Connors
=7. Gottfried
9. Stockton
10. Barazzutti


1979
1. McEnroe
2. Borg
3. Gerulaitus
4. Connors
5. Tanner
6. G Mayer
=7. Ashe
=7. Vilas
9. Masters
=10. Alexander
=10. Gottfried
=10. Nastase

1980
1. McEnroe
2. Scanlon
3. Connors
=4. Lendl
=4. Tanner
=6. Gunthardt
=6. V Amritraj
=8. Sadri
=8. Clerc
=10. Gottfried
=10. G Mayer

1981
1. Tanner
2. Connors
3. Fibak
4. Noah
5. McEnroe
6. V Amritraj
7. Gottfried
8. Gerulaitus
9. S Mayer
10. G Mayer

The WCT expanded from the previous year and broke away from the Grand Prix for the year. There were three finals, Spring (Dallas), Fall (Naples) and Winter (Detroit) and therefore three different points tables for each season.

1982 Spring
1. Lendl
2. Clerc
3. Fibak
4. V Amritraj
5. Smid
6. McNamara
7. McEnroe
8. Gerulaitus
9. Taroczy
10. Dibbs

1982 Summer/ Fall
1. Lendl
2. Smid
3. Clerc
4. Vilas
5. Kriek
6. Higueras
=7. Gunthardt
=7. Fibak
9. Tanner
10. Bourne

1982 Winter
1. Fibak
2. Scanlon
=3. Curren
=3. Vilas
5. Taroczy
6. McNamee
=7. Lendl
=7. Teacher
=9. Tom Gullikson
=9. Smid

In 1983 there were only 9 tournaments and the WCT were back with the Grand Prix circuit.
1983 (These are the twelve who qualified for the Dallas finals)
1. Lendl
2. McEnroe
3. Vilas
4. Gerulaitus
5. Clerc
6. McNamee
7. Smid
8. Fibak
9. Taroczy
10. Scanlon
11. Curren
12. Teacher

1984-1989
Do not have final standings but know that twelve players qualified each year for the finals in Dallas.

llgc8080
04-11-2008, 04:09 AM
I have wanted to buy this book but dont know where it is available. Any bookstore details in France which I can contact?

Now I'm seeking the book in Paris, if I get one bookstore wtih it I will tell. It's not easy to find. Thank you for your posts!:)

Tennisfan!
04-11-2008, 05:39 PM
Andrew, last one: 75 results?
Thanxxxxxxxxxxs!

AndrewTas
04-11-2008, 07:30 PM
dont know how I forgot it.

1975 WCT Standings
In 1975 the group was divided into three groups again, Red, Blue and Green and the top 8 points winners qualified for the final (marked with *). Each group played separate tournaments except the Philadelphia tournament at the start of the season.

Red Group
No. 1 John Alexander*
No. 2 Solomon*
No. 3 Cox*
No. 4 Smith
No. 5 Stockton
No. 6 Lutz
No. 7 Dent
No. 8 Drysdale
=No. 9 Amritraj
=No. 9 Riessen

Blue Group
No. 1 Laver*
No. 2 Tanner*
No. 3 Ramirez*
No. 4 Gottfried
No. 5 Gerulaitus
No. 6 Fillol
No. 7 Stone
No. 8 Pattison
=No. 9 Borowiak
=No. 9 El Shafei

Green Group
No. 1 Ashe*
No. 2 Borg*
No. 3 Okker
No. 4 Mottram
No. 5 Hewitt
No. 6 Parun
No. 7 Warwick
No. 8 Higueras
No. 9 Dominguez
No. 10 Giltinan

Q&M son
04-14-2008, 09:58 AM
Great thread. Thanks for information.
In Argentina, the book of Sutter can't be find.

Lucio.

llgc8080
04-15-2008, 10:26 AM
Great thread. Thanks for information.
In Argentina, the book of Sutter can't be find.

Lucio.

Keep looking!

llgc8080
05-06-2008, 01:33 PM
To Andfor!
The link to my newspaper!!! Yes!!!

www.leruesportif.com.fr/louisgalois

We have some problems with the internet server, but the page is running!

I get Sutter's book by the way!

hoodjem
05-06-2008, 02:54 PM
Long live Wojtek Fibak!

Q&M son
05-07-2008, 11:27 AM
Long live Wojtek Fibak!

Good one!:)

Q&M son
05-25-2008, 09:59 AM
I get Sutter's book by the way!

Can you tell me where please? :)

Thank you.

CyBorg
05-25-2008, 01:14 PM
Can you tell me where please? :)

Thank you.

I'd be interested as well.

Q&M son
07-23-2008, 01:05 PM
WCT Invitational 80 & 81 addeed in ATP database...

TennisExpert
09-24-2008, 12:47 PM
WCT -- World Championship Tennis -- was founded by Dallas oil magnate Lamar Hunt in the 1970s. It was the first big money tour for the men. Aside from Forest Hills in 1971, WCT was my first introduction to tennis, as their tournaments were televised frequently. If I remember correctly, play was set up in three divisions -- in the U.S., Europe and elsewhere. The folks with the highest point totals advanced to the 8-player WCT Championships in Dallas, usually played indoors in the spring. Laver-Rosewall played one of the early WCT finals, a five-set epic that ranks as one of the all-time great matches. It's been a lot of years, and I may be remembering this incorrectly, but WCT generally took up the first 4-5 months of the year, and the Grand Prix took over after that. There was a lot of discord between the two groups, but the best players generally played WCT. At one point, they reached a truce and coincided in peace for a short time, before WCT began running its tournaments head-to-head with Grand Prix tournaments in the 1980s. The WCT tourneys were richer, but I'm not sure the ATP rankings recognized them in the end. Regardless, Lamar Hunt was a true visonary, and men's tennis owes him a lot. He should be in the Hall of Fame in my book, along with Gladys Heldman for the women's tour.

TennisExpert
09-24-2008, 12:48 PM
Look:

http://www.hickoksports.com/history/wctchamp.shtml

Carlo Giovanni Colussi
09-03-2009, 05:57 AM
One remark on the lists posted by Andrew. If you look at the 1971 points standing of the WCT, you may notice, that the field at that time was pretty deep, reaching into the top twenties. You have pretty good players like Roger Taylor and Fred Stolle on 19 and 20. Taylor was in the sf of Wimbledon in 1967, 1970 and 72, and Stolle was a hall of famer. By 1971 he was a bit over the hill, but still able to beat the leading player Newcombe at USO in 1972.

Hello urban,
just two details (eventually you can edit your two posts) : Ashe lost to Solomon (not Dibbs) at Dallas 76 and Taylor reached the semis at the boycotted Wimby 73 (not 72).

urban
09-03-2009, 06:28 AM
Thanks Carlo. I will edit that. I probably thought of Dibbs win over Ashe, i think, at Forest Hills in 1975. I also edited in my previous post, that there were 3, not 2 groups in 1974. In some other forum, someone had reposted this with this error.

Scott_tennis
07-13-2010, 08:41 PM
I have compiled the following list of WCT events from 1968 through 1990, except for 1969 and 1970. I am still researching those two seasons and it is difficult to distinguish between WCT and NTL events for those years.
Any additional information for 1969 and 1970 would be appreciated.

By my calculations there were 334 WCT events, not counting events from the two "missing" years.

WCT events by year
(WCT was formed in 1967 and started play in 1968)


1968
1. Sydney 1/22-1/25 Roche
2. Kansas City 2/1 - 2/3 World Cup
3. St Louis 2/5 - 2/7 World Cup
4. Shreveport 2/8 Ralston
5. Miami 2/9 - 2/11 Buchholz
6. Houston 2/13 - 2/15 Buchholz
7 New Orleans 2/17 - 2/19 Drysdale
8. Orlando 2/20 - 2/22 Ralston
9. Tulsa 2/27 - 3/1 Drysdale
10. San Diego 3/22 - 3/24 Buchholz
11. Los Altos Hills 3/29 - 4/1 Pilic
12. Bakersfield 4/2 - 4/3 Newcombe
13. Fresno 4/5 - 4/8 Buchholz
14. Evansville 4/17 - 4/21 Newcombe
15. Minneapolis 5/3 - 5/6 Ralston
16. Buffalo 5/9 - 5/12 Buchholz
17. Baltimore 5/30 - 6/2 Ralston
18. Bastaad 7/27 - 7/29 Ralston
19. Maribor RR 7/30 - 7/31 Pilic
20. Cannes 8/1 - 8/3 Newcombe
21. Newport 8/13 - 8/18 Riessen
22. Pretoria October Newcombe
23. Johannesburg October Roche
24. Durban October Newcombe
25. East London October Newcombe
26. Port Elizabeth October Taylor
27. Capetown October Roche
28. Kimberly October Newcombe

1969
1970

1971
1. Philadelphia 2/9 – 2/14 Newcombe
2. Sydney 3/8 – 3/14 Rosewall
3. Chicago 3/22 – 3/28 Newcombe
4. Miami 3/29 – 4/4 Drysdale
5. Boston – World Cup 4/23 – 4/25 US
6. Dallas 4/25 – 5/2 Newcombe
7. Rome 5/3 – 5/10 Laver
8. Teheran 5/10 – 5/16 Riessen
9. Bristol 6/7 – 6/12 not completed
10. Washington 7/12 – 7/18 Rosewall
11. Louisville 7/19 – 7/25 Okker
12. Quebec 7/26 – 8/1 Okker
13. Boston 8/2- 8/8 Rosewall
14. Toronto 8/9 – 8/15 Newcombe
15. Ft Worth 8/16 – 8/22 Laver
16. San Francisco 9/27 – 10/3 Laver
17. Vancouver 10/2 – 10/10 Rosewall
18. Cologne 10/11 – 10/17 Lutz
19. Barcelona 10/18 – 10/24 Orantes
20. Stockholm 10/31 – 11/7 Ashe
21. Bologna 11/7 - 11/14 Laver
22. WCT Finals Houston and Dallas
11/19 – 11/26 Rosewall


1972
1. Richmond 2/2 – 2/6 Laver
2. Philadelphia 2/8 – 2/13 Laver
3. Toronto 2/13 – 2/20 Laver
4. Miami 3/1 – 3/5 Rosewall
5. Hartford - World Cup 3/9 – 3/12 Australia
6. Chicago 3/13 – 3/19 Okker
7. Hilton Head CBS Classic 3/21-3/26 Rosewall
8. Macon GA 3/26 – 4/2 Cox
9. Houston 4/3 – 4/9 Laver
10. Quebec 4/9 – 4/16 Riessen
11. Charlotte 4/17 – 4/23 Rosewall
12. Denver 4/24 – 4/30 Laver
13. Las Vegas 5/1 – 5/7 Newcombe
14. WCT Finals Dallas 5/10 – 5/14 Rosewall
15. St Louis 6/26 – 7/2 Newcombe
16. Bretton Woods 7/5 – 7/9 Richey
17. Washington 7/17 – 7/23 Roche
18. Louisville 7/24 – 7/30 Ashe
19. Boston 7/31 – 8/6 Lutz
20. Cleveland 8/7 – 8/13 Cox
21. Ft Worth 8/14 – 8/20 Newcombe
22. Montreal 9/10 – 9/17 Ashe
23. San Francisco 9/25 – 10/1 Newcombe
24. Tokyo 10/4 – 10/7 Rosewall
25. Midland TX 10/6 – 10/8 Fairlie
26. Vancouver 10/15 – 10/22 Newcombe
27. Essen 10/23 – 10/29 Pilic
28. Gothenberg 10/30 – 11/5 Newcombe
29. Rotterdam 11/13 – 11/19 Ashe
30. WCT Fall Finals Rome 11/22 – 11/26 Ashe
31. Johannesburg 11/25 – 12/2 Newcombe

1973
1. Miami 1/15 – 1/21 Laver
2. La Costa 1/22 – 1/28 Dibley
3. London 1/22 – 1/28 Fairlie
4. Richmond 1/29 – 2/4 Laver
5. Milan 1/29 – 2/4 Riessen
6. Philadelphia 2/5 – 2/11 Smith
7. Toronto 2/12 – 2/18 Laver
8. Copenhagen 2/12 – 2/18 Taylor
9. Cologne 2/19 – 2/25 Kodes
10. Chicago 2/26 – 3 / 4 Ashe
11. Hartford – World Cup 3/9 – 3/11 Australia
12. Hilton Head CBS Classic 3/12 – 3/17 Laver
13. Atlanta 3/19 – 3/25 Smith
14. Washington 3/19 – 3/25 Okker
15. St. Louis 3/26 – 4/1 Smith
16. Vancouver 3/26 – 4/1 Gorman
17. Munich 4/2 – 4/8 Smith
18. Houston 4/2 – 4/8 Rosewall
19. Brussels 4/9 – 4/15 Smith
20. Cleveland 4/9 – 4/15 Rosewall
21. Johannesburg 4/16 – 4/22 Gottfried
22. Charlotte 4/16 – 4/22 Rosewall
23. Gothenburg 4/23 – 4/29 Smith
24. Denver 4/23 – 4/29 Cox
25. Montreal Doubles 5/3 – 5/6 Lutz / Smith
26. WCT Finals Dallas 5/9 – 5/13 Smith

1974
1. Lakeway/Austin CBS Classic 1/14 – 1/20Richey
2. Philadelphia 1/21 – 1/27 Laver
3. Richmond 1/28 – 2/3 Nastase
4. St. Petersburg 2/4 – 2/10 Newcombe
5. Toronto 2/11 – 2/17 Okker
6. Bologna 2/11 – 2/17 Ashe
7. Hempstead NY 2/18 – 2/24 Smith
8. London 2/18 – 2/24 Borg
9. Miami 2/25 – 3/3 Drysdale
10. La Costa 2/25 – 3/3 Newcombe
11. Barcelona 2/25 – 3/3 Ashe
12. Hartford – World Cup 3/7 – 3/10 Australia
13. Washington 3/11 – 3/17 Nastase
14. Sao Paulo 3/11 – 3/17 Borg
15. Rotterdam 3/25 – 3/31 Okker
16. Atlanta 3/25 – 3/31 Stockton
17. Palm Desert 3/25 – 3/31 Laver
18. Munich 4/1 – 4/7 McMillan
19. New Orleans 4/1 – 4/7 Newcombe
20. Monte Carlo 4/8 – 4/14 Pattison
21. Orlando 4/8 – 4/14 Newcombe
22. Tokyo 4/8 – 4/14 Laver
23. Johannesburg 4/15 – 4/21 Pattison
24. Charlotte 4/15 – 4/21 Borowiak
25. Houston 4/15 – 4/21 Laver
26. St. Louis 4/22 – 4/28 Smith
27. Denver 4/22 – 4/28 Tanner
28. WCT Doubles Montreal 5/2 – 5/5 Hewitt / McMillan
29. WCT Finals Dallas 5/8 – 5/12 Newcombe

1975
1. Puerto Rico CBS Classic 1/13 – 1/19 Laver
2. Philadelphia 1/20-1/26 Riessen
3. Richmond 1/27 – 2/2 Borg
4. St Petersburg 2/3 – 2/9 Ramirez
5. Bologna 2/6 – 2/12 Borg
6. Toronto 2/10 – 2/16 Solomon
7. Ft Worth 2/17 – 2/23 Alexander
8. La Costa 2/17 – 2/23 Laver
9. Barcelona 2/17 – 2/23 Ashe
10. San Antonio 2/24 – 3/2 Stockton
11. Rotterdam 2/24 – 3/2 Ashe
12. London - Rothman’s 3/ 4-3/8 Great Britain / Cox
13. Hartford – World Cup 3/ 6 – 3/9 Australia
14. Washington 3/10-3/16 Cox
15. Sao Paulo 3/10-3/16 Laver
16. Munich 3/10-3/16 Ashe
17. Memphis 3/17-3/23 Solomon
18. Caracas 3/17-3/23 Laver
19. Atlanta 3/24-3/30 Cox
20. Orlando 3/24-3/30 Laver
21. Monte Carlo 3/24-3/30 Orantes
22. St Louis 4/7-4/13 Gerulaitis
23. Tokyo 4/14-4/20 Lutz
24. Denver 4/14-4/20 Connors
25. Johannesburg 4/11-4/19 Mottram
26. Houston 4/21-4/27 Rosewall
27. Charlotte 4/21-4/27 Ramirez
28. Stockholm 4/21-4/27 Ashe
29. WCT Doubles Mexico City 4/30-5/4 Gottfried / Ramirez
30. WCT Finals Dallas 5/7-5/11 Ashe
and Special Doubles 5/12 Gottfried / Ramirez

1976
1. Monterrey 1/5–1/10 Dibbs
2. Columbus 1/7–1/11 Ashe
3. Indianapolis 1/12/-1/19 Ashe
4, Atlanta 1/14-1/19 Nastase
5. Philadelphia 1/26-2/1 Connors
6. Barcelona 2/2-2/7 Dibbs
7. Richmond 2/4-2/8 Ashe
8. Toronto 2/10-2/15 Borg
9. Lagos 2-10-2/15 Stockton
completed in Caracas in April
10. St Louis 2/17-2/22 Vilas
11. Rome 2/17-2/22 Ashe
12. Ft Worth 2/23-2/29 Vilas
13. Rotterdam 2/23-2/29 Ashe
14. Hartford – World Cup 3/ 4-3/7 US
15. Memphis 3/8-3/14 Amritraj
16. Mexico City 3/8-3/14 Ramirez
17. Washington 3/15-3/21 Solomon
18. Jackson 3/15-3/21 Rosewall
19. Caracas 3/29-4/4 Ramirez
20. Sao Paulo 3/29-4/4 Borg
21. Johannesburg 4/5-4/10 Parun
22. Houston 4/5-4/11 Solomon
23. Monte Carlo 4/12-4/19 Vilas
24. Charlotte 4/13-4/18 Roche
25. Stockholm 4/19-4/25 Fibak
26. Denver 4/19-4/25 Connors
27. WCT Doubles Kansas City 4/28-5/2 Fibak / Meiler
28. WCT Finals Dallas 5/4-5/9 Borg
29. Hawaii Challenge Cup 1/22-5/23 Nastase

1977
1. Las Vegas Challenge Cup 12/2 -12/5;
then 12/16-12/19 and 4/10 Nastase
(part of event played in 1976 but considered part of 1977 WCT)
2. Birmingham 1/12-1/16 Connors
3. Philadelphia 1/24-1/30 Stockton
4. Richmond 2/1-2/6 Okker
5. Mexico City 2/8-2/13 Nastase
6. Toronto 2/15-2/20 Stockton
7. Monterrey 3/1-3/6 Fibak
8. Hartford – World Cup 3/10-3/13 US
9. Tournament of Champions (T of C)
Lakeway 3/10-3/13 and 7/10-7/13 and
New York MSG 9/17 Solomon
10. St Louis 3/16-3/20 Connors
11. Rotterdam 3/22-3/27 Stockton
12. London 3/28-4/3 Dibbs
13. Monte Carlo 4/5-4/10 Borg
14. Houston 4/11-4/17 Panatta
15. Charlotte 4/19-4/24 Barazzutti
16. WCT Doubles Kansas City 5/4-5/8 Amritraj / Stockton
17. WCT Finals Dallas 5/10-5/15 Connors

1978
1. Las Vegas Challenge Cup 11/14-11/20 Connors
played in 1977 but considered part of 1978 WCT)
2. Birmingham 1/9-1/15 Borg
3. Philadelphia 1/23-1/29 Connors
4. Richmond 1/30-2/5 Gerulaitis
5. St Louis 2/6-2/12 Mayer
6. New Haven – World Cup 3/9-3/12 US
7. Las Vegas T of C 3/20-3/26 Borg
8. Milan 3/27 – 4/2 Borg
9. Rotterdam 4/3- 4/9 Connors
10. Monte Carlo 4/10-4/16 Ramirez
11. Houston 4/17-4/23 Gottfried
12. WCT Doubles Kansas City 5/3-5/7 Fibak / Okker
13. WCT Finals Dallas 5/9 -5/14 Gerulaitis
14. Forest Hills Invitational 7/10-7/16 Gerulaitis

1979
1. Montego Bay Challenge Cup 12/12-12/17 Nastase
(played in 1978 but considered part of 1979 WCT)
2. London Doubles 1/3-1/7 McEnroe / Fleming
3. Birmingham 1/15-1/21 Connors
4. Philadelphia 1/22-1/28 Connors
5. Richmond 1/29-2/4 Borg
6. Puerto Rico T of C 2/19-2/25 Connors
7. New Haven – World Cup 3/8-3/11 US
8. New Orleans 3/19-3/25 McEnroe
9. Milan 3/26 – 4/1 McEnroe
10. Rotterdam 4/2 – 4/8 Borg
11. Monte Carlo 4/9 – 4/15 Borg
12. Houston 4/16 – 4/22 Higueras
13. WCT Finals Dallas 5/2 – 5/6 McEnroe
14. Forest Hills Invitational 7/9-7/15 Dibbs

(continued)

Scott_tennis
07-13-2010, 08:42 PM
(continued)

1980
1. Montreal Challenge Cup 12/4 – 12/9 Borg
(played in 1979 but considered part of 1980 WCT)
2. London Doubles 1 / 2 - 1/6 Gottfried / Ramirez
3. Birmingham 1/14 – 1/20 Connors
4. Philadelphia 1/21 – 1/27 Connors
5. Richmond 1/28 – 2/3 McEnroe
6. Salisbury Invitational 2/19-2/24 Borg
7. Hartford World Cup 35+ 3 / 6 – 3 / 9 US
8. Rotterdam 3/10 – 3/16 Gunthardt
9. Frankfurt 3/17 – 3/23 Smith
10.Milan 3/24 – 3/30 McEnroe
11.Monte Carlo 3/31 – 4/6 Borg
12.Houston 4/7 – 4/13 Lendl
13.WCT Finals Dallas 4/28 – 5/4 Connors
14.Forest Hills T of C 5/5 – 5/11 Gerulaitis

1981
1. Montreal Challenge Cup 12/9 – 12/14 McEnroe
(played in December 1980 but considered part of 1981 WCT)
2. London Doubles 1/6 – 1/11 McNamara/ McNamee
3. Monterrey Mexico 1/19 – 1/25 Kriek
4. Philadelphia 1/26 – 2/1 Fibak
5. Richmond 2/2 – 2/8 Noah
6. Salisbury Invitational 3/2 – 3/8 Scanlon
7. Brussels 3/ 9 – 3/ 15 Connors
8. Rotterdam 3/16 – 3/22 Connors
9. Milan 3/23 – 3/29 McEnroe
10. Frankfurt 3/30 – 4/5 McEnroe
11. Houston 4/6 – 4/12 Vilas
12. WCT Finals Dallas 4/27 – 5/3 McEnroe
13. Forest Hills T of C 5/4 – 5/10 Dibbs

1982
1. Birmingham Eng. Doubles 1/5 – 1/10 Gunthardt / Taroczy
2. Mexico City 1/18 – 1/24 Smid
3. Delray Beach 1/26 – 1/31 Lendl
4. Richmond 2/8 – 2/14 Clerc
5. Genoa 2/22 – 2/28 Lendl
6. Munich 3/8 – 3/14 Lendl
7. Strasborg 3/15 – 3/21 Lendl
8. Zurich 3/29 – 4/4 Scanlon
9. Houston 4/12 – 4/18 Lendl
10. WCT Spring Finals Dallas 4/19 – 4/25 Lendl
11. Hilton Head 4/26 – 5/1 Winitsky
12. Forest Hills T of C 5/3 – 5/9 Lendl
13. Zell Am See 7/12 – 7/18 Clerc
14. Cap D’Agde 7/26 – 8/1 Smid
15. La Costa 8/9 – 8/15 Kriek
16. Los Angeles 9/20 – 9/26 Lendl
17. WCT Fall Finals Naples 10/14 - 10/17 Lendl
18. Amsterdam 10/19 – 10/24 Fibak
19. Baltimore 11/2 – 11/7 McNamee
20. Dortmund 11/15 – 11/21 Teacher
21. Chicago 11/30 – 12/5 Fibak
22. Hartford 12/14 – 12/19 Lendl


1983
1. London Doubles 1 / 4 – 1/9 Gunthardt / Taroczy
2. WCT Winter Finals Detroit 1/27 – 1/30Lendl
3. Richmond 2/7 – 2/13 Vilas
4. Delray Beach 2/21- 2/28 Vilas
5. Munich 3/14 – 3/20 Teacher
6. Houston 4/4 – 4/10 Lendl
7. Hilton Head 4/12 – 4/17 Lendl
8. WCT Finals Dallas 4/26 – 5/1 McEnroe
9. Forest Hills T of C 5/1 – 5/8 McEnroe

1984
1. London Doubles 1/3 – 1/8 Slozil / Smid
2. Richmond 1/30 – 2/5 McEnroe
3. Houston 4/2 – 4/8 Dickson
4. WCT Finals Dallas 4/24 – 4/30 McEnroe
5. Forest Hills T of C 5/7 – 5/13 McEnroe

1985
1. London Doubles 1/1 – 1/6 Flach/Seguso
2. Houston 2/25 – 3/3 McEnroe
3. WCT Finals Dallas 4/8 – 4/14 Lendl
4. Atlanta 4/22 – 4/28 McEnroe
5. Forest Hills T of C 5/6 – 5/12 Lendl

1986
1. London Doubles 1/6 – 1/12 Gunthardt / Taroczy
2. Atlanta 3/31 – 4/6 Curren
3. WCT Finals Dallas 4/7 – 4/13 Jarryd
4. Forest Hills T of C 5/5 – 5/11 Noah
5. Scottsdale 10/6 – 10/12 McEnroe
6. Houston 11/17 – 11/23 Zivojinovic
7. London Masters Doubles 12/10 – 12/14 Edberg/Jarryd
(Combined WCT Doubles + Masters Doubles; 1st time doubles played separate from Masters)

1987
1. WCT Finals Dallas 4/7 – 4/12 Mecir
2. Tokyo 4/13 – 4/19 Edberg
3. Forest Hills T of C 5/4 – 5/10 Gomez
4. Scottsdale 10/5 – 10/11 Gilbert
5. London Masters Doubles 12/7 – 12/13 Smid/Mecir

1988
1. WCT Finals Dallas 3/29 – 4/2 Becker
2. Tokyo 4/11 – 4/17 McEnroe
3. Forest Hills T of C 5/2 – 5/8 Agassi
4. Scottsdale 10/3 – 10/9 Pernfors
5. Detroit 11/14 – 11/20 McEnroe
6. London Masters Doubles 12/7 – 12/11 Leach / Pugh

1989
1. WCT Finals Dallas 2/28 – 3 / 4 McEnroe
2. Scottsdale 3/ 6 – 3/12 Lendl
3. Tokyo 4/10 – 4/16 Edberg
4. Forest Hills T of C 5/1 – 5/7 Lendl
5. London Masters Doubles 12/6 – 12/10 P McEnroe/ Grabb

1990
1. Scottsdale (RR) 2/27 - 3 /4 Krickstein
2. Dallas World Doubles 4/18 – 4/22 Leach/Pugh
(Moody Coliseum)
3. Forest Hills T of C 8/21 – 8/26 Lendl

WCT ceased operations in 1990

jorge1987
07-15-2010, 06:17 AM
I have the World of Tennis '71 yearbook (covers the 1970 season) but as you said the difference between WCT and NTL is not clear.

There is a chapter called "1970 Professional Tournament Results" from page 142 to page 144. There are 15 tournaments results plus the World Cup event and the First Annual Tennis Champions Classic.

urban
07-15-2010, 06:47 AM
I think, the NTL and WCT merged in spring 1970. Before in 1968-69 you had open (pro-amateur) events, strictly amateur events, NTL events, WCT events and events where all pro groups were present. At the AO 1970 only the former WCT players participated. 1970 events of the new WCT includiing the old NTL players were St. Louis, Louisville, Fort Worth and Vancouver. I don't know about the exact status of the Philadelphia US pro indoor and the US pro at Boston or the Ls Vegas invitational, where all the top pros participated. They also played in the Classic series, organized by McCall and Podesta.

jorge1987
07-15-2010, 07:19 AM
1970 Professional Tournaments....

1 Hollywood, FL february 12-14, Rosewall
2 Corpus Christi february 20-22, Rosewall
3 Los Angeles february 25-march 1, Ralston
4 Sydney march 16-22, Laver
5 Dallas april 21-26, Gimeno
6 Atlanta may 6-10, Okker
7 Las Vegas may 13-17, Gonzalez
8 Saint Louis may 27-june 1, Laver
9 Casablanca june 2-7, Newcombe
10 Louisville july 28-august 2, Laver
11 Fort Worth august 19-23, Laver
12 Vancouver serptember 29-october 4, Laver
13 Midland october 8-11, Taylor
14 Tucson october 15-18, Riessen

* US Pro Champs august 3-9, Roche
* Worl Cup @ Boston march 9-11, Australia
* First Annual Tennis Champions Classic january 23-july 16, Laver

Scott_tennis
07-21-2010, 02:29 PM
WCT Tournaments - 1968

Dave Dixon's original plan for WCT was for its eight players ("Handsome Eight") to participate in 2 events per week over 40 weeks, or a total of 80 tournaments. These tournaments were to be two-day or three-day events held at various arenas throughout the US, and the draws would consist solely of the WCT players.

In actuality, WCT players participated in 39 events in 1968 and not 80, as broken out by the following categories:

- 28 WCT-only events
(17 in the US, 7 in South Africa, 3 in Europe and 1 in Australia)

- 6 "open" tournaments
(Queens, Wimbledon, Swiss Open, German Open, US Open and PSW Open)

- 5 pro events involving WCT and National Tennis League (NTL) players
(US Pro, Paris/French Pro, London, New York and Evanston)

It appears that the decision to participate in open and NTL events was made after Dixon departed WCT in March of 1968, at which time ownership was controlled by Lamar Hunt and Al Hill, and the tour was managed by Bob Briner and Mike Davies.

Next post: information on 1969 "pro" events

Scott_tennis
07-23-2010, 06:55 PM
WCT Tournaments - 1969

Throughout 1968 and 1969, WCT added to its initial roster of eight players (Newcombe, Roche, Ralston, Buchholz, Taylor, Drysdale, Pilic and Barthes);
the additions were: Riessen, Moore, Anderson, Okker, Davidson and Holmberg.

In 1969 there were 32 open events and it appears that there was at least some WCT participation in these 30 of the 32 open events:
Perth
Hobart
Sydney
Aus Open - Brisbane
Auckland
Philadelphia
NY MSG
South African
Durban
Monte Carlo
Rome
Bournemouth
Brussels
Berlin
French Open
Bristol
Queens Club
Wimbledon
Dublin
Aix En Provence
Gstaad
Hilversum
Toronto
Hamburg
US Open
PSW
Las Vegas
Paris
Wembley
Stockholm

(It appears no WCT players were at the open events in Melbourne or Buenos Aires)

- The events with the greatest number of WCT participants were Philadelphia, French Open, Bristol, Queens, Wimbledon, US Open, PSW and Las Vegas.

- Of the open events, WCT players won 12 titles:
Okker 4, Roche 3, Newcombe 2, Riessen 1, Moore 1 and Pilic 1.

I have also tracked down a list of 31 "pro-only" events from 1969. These are in addition to the above listed open tournaments. The pro events include a few events which appear to have solely WCT players, some events with only NTL players and yet another group of events with both WCT and NTL players.

It has been difficult to pin down complete details and draws of the 31 pro-only events. Any additions or corrections to the attached list would be welcomed.

Scott_tennis
07-23-2010, 06:59 PM
A list of 1969 WCT and NTL events
These are considered pro events or contract pro events, other than “Open Events”


Dates Location Winner #NTL and WCT players
2/10 – 2/11 Orlando FL Laver 4 NTL
2/12 – 2/16 Hollywood FL Roche 7 WCT and 5 NTL
2/23 – 2/26 Oakland CA Roche 5 WCT and 5 NTL
2/28 Portland OR Laver 2 NTL
3/1 Seattle WA Laver 2 NTL
3/3 – 3/8 Los Angeles CA Laver 7 WCT and 5 NTL
4/25 – 4/27 Anaheim CA Laver Draw?
5/4 – 5/10 Japan Okker 7 WCT and 3 NTL
5/17 – 5/19 New York MSG Laver 4 WCT and 4 NTL
5/21 Wembley Laver 2 WCT and 2 NTL
5/22 – 5/25 Dutch Okker 4 WCT and 4 NTL
7/9 – 7/15 US Pro Boston MALaver 10 WCT and 4 NTL
7/16 – 7/20 Milwaukee WI Okker 8 WCT
7/28- 8/3 Portschach Emerson 7 WCT and 1 NTL
8/5 - 8/6 St Louis MO Laver ALL NTL? Draw?
8/8 - 8/10 Binghamton NY Laver ALL NTL? Draw?
8/13 - 8/17 Ft Worth TX Laver 6 WCT and 4 NTL
8/18 Malaga Emerson 1 WCT and 1 NTL
8/18 - 8/24 Newport RI Okker 8 WCT
8/21- 8/24 Baltimore MD Laver ALL NTL? Draw?
9/9 - 9/11 Chicago IL Rosewall 11 WCT and 3 NTL
9/12 - 9/14 Atlanta GA Buchholz 8 WCT
9/12 - 9/14 Lake Tahoe NV Stolle 4 NTL
10/1 - 10/5 Midland TX Rosewall 4 NTL
10/1 - 10/6 Tucson AZ Roche 8 WCT
10/18 - 10/22Cologne Gimeno 4 WCT and 4 NTL
10/26 - 10/28Dakar Roche 4 WCT
11/7 – 11/9 Barcelona Gimeno 4 NTL
12/2 Madrid Laver Draw?
?? Hamburg Rosewall Draw?
?? Basel Laver Draw?

Q&M son
08-22-2010, 01:50 PM
Great posts!

urban
08-25-2010, 04:09 AM
I think, the regular NTL in 1968, promoted by George McCall, consisted of Laver, Rosewall, Gonzalez, Gimeno, Emerson and Stolle. Their events sometimes had a round robin system. And the draws were filled up several times by "free lance" pro players like Owen Davidson, Mal Anderson and Ron Holmberg. Even Lew Hoad, who had his ranch in Spain, made some rare appearances. And speaking of early womens movement: Together with the men some women pros toured, including BJK, Ann Jones, Rosie Casals, and Francoise Durr.

kiki
02-14-2011, 01:06 PM
(continued)

1980
1. Montreal Challenge Cup 12/4 – 12/9 Borg
(played in 1979 but considered part of 1980 WCT)
2. London Doubles 1 / 2 - 1/6 Gottfried / Ramirez
3. Birmingham 1/14 – 1/20 Connors
4. Philadelphia 1/21 – 1/27 Connors
5. Richmond 1/28 – 2/3 McEnroe
6. Salisbury Invitational 2/19-2/24 Borg
7. Hartford World Cup 35+ 3 / 6 – 3 / 9 US
8. Rotterdam 3/10 – 3/16 Gunthardt
9. Frankfurt 3/17 – 3/23 Smith
10.Milan 3/24 – 3/30 McEnroe
11.Monte Carlo 3/31 – 4/6 Borg
12.Houston 4/7 – 4/13 Lendl
13.WCT Finals Dallas 4/28 – 5/4 Connors
14.Forest Hills T of C 5/5 – 5/11 Gerulaitis

1981
1. Montreal Challenge Cup 12/9 – 12/14 McEnroe
(played in December 1980 but considered part of 1981 WCT)
2. London Doubles 1/6 – 1/11 McNamara/ McNamee
3. Monterrey Mexico 1/19 – 1/25 Kriek
4. Philadelphia 1/26 – 2/1 Fibak
5. Richmond 2/2 – 2/8 Noah
6. Salisbury Invitational 3/2 – 3/8 Scanlon
7. Brussels 3/ 9 – 3/ 15 Connors
8. Rotterdam 3/16 – 3/22 Connors
9. Milan 3/23 – 3/29 McEnroe
10. Frankfurt 3/30 – 4/5 McEnroe
11. Houston 4/6 – 4/12 Vilas
12. WCT Finals Dallas 4/27 – 5/3 McEnroe
13. Forest Hills T of C 5/4 – 5/10 Dibbs

1982
1. Birmingham Eng. Doubles 1/5 – 1/10 Gunthardt / Taroczy
2. Mexico City 1/18 – 1/24 Smid
3. Delray Beach 1/26 – 1/31 Lendl
4. Richmond 2/8 – 2/14 Clerc
5. Genoa 2/22 – 2/28 Lendl
6. Munich 3/8 – 3/14 Lendl
7. Strasborg 3/15 – 3/21 Lendl
8. Zurich 3/29 – 4/4 Scanlon
9. Houston 4/12 – 4/18 Lendl
10. WCT Spring Finals Dallas 4/19 – 4/25 Lendl
11. Hilton Head 4/26 – 5/1 Winitsky
12. Forest Hills T of C 5/3 – 5/9 Lendl
13. Zell Am See 7/12 – 7/18 Clerc
14. Cap D’Agde 7/26 – 8/1 Smid
15. La Costa 8/9 – 8/15 Kriek
16. Los Angeles 9/20 – 9/26 Lendl
17. WCT Fall Finals Naples 10/14 - 10/17 Lendl
18. Amsterdam 10/19 – 10/24 Fibak
19. Baltimore 11/2 – 11/7 McNamee
20. Dortmund 11/15 – 11/21 Teacher
21. Chicago 11/30 – 12/5 Fibak
22. Hartford 12/14 – 12/19 Lendl


1983
1. London Doubles 1 / 4 – 1/9 Gunthardt / Taroczy
2. WCT Winter Finals Detroit 1/27 – 1/30Lendl
3. Richmond 2/7 – 2/13 Vilas
4. Delray Beach 2/21- 2/28 Vilas
5. Munich 3/14 – 3/20 Teacher
6. Houston 4/4 – 4/10 Lendl
7. Hilton Head 4/12 – 4/17 Lendl
8. WCT Finals Dallas 4/26 – 5/1 McEnroe
9. Forest Hills T of C 5/1 – 5/8 McEnroe

1984
1. London Doubles 1/3 – 1/8 Slozil / Smid
2. Richmond 1/30 – 2/5 McEnroe
3. Houston 4/2 – 4/8 Dickson
4. WCT Finals Dallas 4/24 – 4/30 McEnroe
5. Forest Hills T of C 5/7 – 5/13 McEnroe

1985
1. London Doubles 1/1 – 1/6 Flach/Seguso
2. Houston 2/25 – 3/3 McEnroe
3. WCT Finals Dallas 4/8 – 4/14 Lendl
4. Atlanta 4/22 – 4/28 McEnroe
5. Forest Hills T of C 5/6 – 5/12 Lendl

1986
1. London Doubles 1/6 – 1/12 Gunthardt / Taroczy
2. Atlanta 3/31 – 4/6 Curren
3. WCT Finals Dallas 4/7 – 4/13 Jarryd
4. Forest Hills T of C 5/5 – 5/11 Noah
5. Scottsdale 10/6 – 10/12 McEnroe
6. Houston 11/17 – 11/23 Zivojinovic
7. London Masters Doubles 12/10 – 12/14 Edberg/Jarryd
(Combined WCT Doubles + Masters Doubles; 1st time doubles played separate from Masters)

1987
1. WCT Finals Dallas 4/7 – 4/12 Mecir
2. Tokyo 4/13 – 4/19 Edberg
3. Forest Hills T of C 5/4 – 5/10 Gomez
4. Scottsdale 10/5 – 10/11 Gilbert
5. London Masters Doubles 12/7 – 12/13 Smid/Mecir

1988
1. WCT Finals Dallas 3/29 – 4/2 Becker
2. Tokyo 4/11 – 4/17 McEnroe
3. Forest Hills T of C 5/2 – 5/8 Agassi
4. Scottsdale 10/3 – 10/9 Pernfors
5. Detroit 11/14 – 11/20 McEnroe
6. London Masters Doubles 12/7 – 12/11 Leach / Pugh

1989
1. WCT Finals Dallas 2/28 – 3 / 4 McEnroe
2. Scottsdale 3/ 6 – 3/12 Lendl
3. Tokyo 4/10 – 4/16 Edberg
4. Forest Hills T of C 5/1 – 5/7 Lendl
5. London Masters Doubles 12/6 – 12/10 P McEnroe/ Grabb

1990
1. Scottsdale (RR) 2/27 - 3 /4 Krickstein
2. Dallas World Doubles 4/18 – 4/22 Leach/Pugh
(Moody Coliseum)
3. Forest Hills T of C 8/21 – 8/26 Lendl

WCT ceased operations in 1990

Great Post.WCT pushed pro tennis in a way it hadn΄t been known before.TV, great arenas,colourful dressing and gathering all of the top players except Connors, who was not a WCT loyal till 1977.΄Pro tennis will always be in debt with Hunt,Hill,Dixon,Davis and all those revolutionaries that made tennis a superb mass product.‘Long live always to World Championship Tennis‘‘