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luckyboy1300
03-21-2008, 04:20 PM
my candidates would be the 1984 wimbledon final between mcenroe and connors, mcenroe won 6-1, 6-1, 6-2; and the 2004 us open final federer vs hewitt 6-0, 7-6, 6-0. i know there would have been much worse in the women's side but i'm not a close follower of wta so i leave them up to you guys.

Ronaldo
03-21-2008, 04:27 PM
Serena sure made Masha look bad at the 2007 Aus Open.

TennisLover17
03-21-2008, 04:40 PM
Serena sure made Masha look bad at the 2007 Aus Open.

gotta agree with that one

ohlori
03-22-2008, 06:11 AM
from wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._Open_Men%27s_Singles_champions

Below you can find the other lists of men's/women's finals.

Ronaldo
03-22-2008, 06:28 AM
from wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._Open_Men%27s_Singles_champions

Below you can find the other lists of men's/women's finals.

Thanks, this thread led to a list of women's FO finals, the stinker w/Henin and Pierce and the worst in 86, Graf dbl bageled Natasha Zvereva.

saram
03-22-2008, 07:31 AM
Maybe 74 Connors over Rosewall: 6-1, 6-0, 6-1?

Ronaldo
03-22-2008, 09:38 AM
Maybe 74 Connors over Rosewall: 6-1, 6-0, 6-1?

Like, wasn't Rosewall in the finals 20 yrs apart?

Rabbit
03-22-2008, 09:40 AM
Maybe 74 Connors over Rosewall: 6-1, 6-0, 6-1?

Yep, I don't think there's been a worse thrashing. Connors was simply unstoppable in '74. The pundits of the time wanted the T2000 outlawed from the game due to the amount of power Connors was able to generate. Looks like they were right... :)

Ronaldo
03-22-2008, 10:01 AM
Yep, I don't think there's been a worse thrashing. Connors was simply unstoppable in '74. The pundits of the time wanted the T2000 outlawed from the game due to the amount of power Connors was able to generate. Looks like they were right... :)

Seems they slowed Jimbo down another way, Har-tru.

Shaolin
03-22-2008, 10:40 AM
Worst: Graf d Zvereva, 6-0, 6-0 French Open Final, not sure what year

CEvertFan
03-22-2008, 11:28 AM
Would definitely have to be Graf d. Zvereva 6-0, 6-0 French Open final 1988 in 32 minutes. That would probably hold the record as the quickest final as well.

grafrules
03-22-2008, 11:53 AM
Would definitely have to be Graf d. Zvereva 6-0, 6-0 French Open final 1988 in 32 minutes. That would probably hold the record as the quickest final as well.

Zvereva looked completely spooked by Graf in that match. She really showed no confidence and did not bring her real game at all.

Shaolin
03-22-2008, 12:47 PM
Would definitely have to be Graf d. Zvereva 6-0, 6-0 French Open final 1988 in 32 minutes. That would probably hold the record as the quickest final as well.

Seriously 32 minutes?? Thats insane.

Ronaldo
03-22-2008, 01:08 PM
Zvereva looked completely spooked by Graf in that match. She really showed no confidence and did not bring her real game at all.

Shoulda brought her partner, Gigi. Saw her playing dubs less than 6 ft from my seat. Only 2 fans at the Palace of Auburn Hills, 2 am.

ohlori
03-22-2008, 01:09 PM
Seriously 32 minutes?? Thats insane.

34 minutes according to the commentators: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DbJAKPue20

The only other 6-0, 6-0 in a Grand Slam final was at Wimbledon in 1911.
The Roland Garros final of 1977, Vilas - Gottfried, was the second biggest trashing in the open era on the men's side, 6-0, 6-3, 6-0.

DJG
03-22-2008, 01:44 PM
Yes, the Graf victory without a doubt. (I saw the thread title, and it immediately sprang to mind - on reading the thread I saw others had the same thinking.)

This was no "normal" 6-0 6-0 with a couple of chances or luck that went against the loser. This was an ***-whipping of note. If there could have been a worse score than 6-0 6-0, it would have been that worse score.

stormholloway
03-22-2008, 03:15 PM
Federer thrashed Hewitt pretty handily back at the 2004 US Open. This was against a two time slam champion and former number one.

6-0, 7-6, 6-0

ckthegreek
03-22-2008, 03:24 PM
Would definitely have to be Graf d. Zvereva 6-0, 6-0 French Open final 1988 in 32 minutes. That would probably hold the record as the quickest final as well.

I watched that match. Graf didn't know what to do. She felt embarassed.

hoosierbr
03-22-2008, 03:44 PM
Agassi put a hurt on Rainer Schuettler in the 2003 Aussie Open Final.

superman1
03-22-2008, 04:58 PM
Federer/Hewitt was the worst thrashing I've seen. Some people watched that match in awe, I watched in disgust. I don't mind seeing Fed destroy helpless opponents in the early rounds, but not in the friggin' US Open Final. Not when Agassi took him to 5 sets in the quarters. Hewitt was just useless.

AndrewD
03-22-2008, 05:01 PM
Yep, I don't think there's been a worse thrashing. Connors was simply unstoppable in '74.

Bad result but Rosewall's 'thrashing' was mainly due to his 39 year old self not being unable to recover quickly enough after his long 4-set semi win over Newcombe, same as he couldn't recover after his 5-set win over Smith at Wimbledon that year. Little doubt Connors was going to win but the result was as much about his opponent's fatigue as his own level of his play. Same could be said about Graf's 6-0, 6-0 win over Zvereva. An absolute massacre and no doubt about the winner but it's fair to say the score was dictated by Zvereva's stage fright.

As far as I'm concerned, the absolute worst beatings in a GS final are;
1) Lew Hoad's 6-2, 6-1, 6-2 win over Ashley Cooper at the 1957 Wimbledon. I believe it was the quickest final since the challenge round was abolished and Hoad actually gave Cooper 1 game in the second set because he didn't want him to be embarrassed by losing a set to 0 during a Wimbledon final.

2) John McEnroe's absolute hammering of Jimmy Connors at the 1984 Wimbledon, 6-1, 6-1, 6-2. Connors was only 32 at the time, had won the US Open the year before, Wimbledon two years earlier and was the number 2-3 player in the world for the entire year. He was fortunate to win 4 games.

3) French Open 1978, Borg decimated Vilas, the reigning champion, 6-1, 6-1, 6-3.

4) Federer's win over Hewitt at the 2004 US Open. No excuses there, just one guy dominated the other.

5) Hewitt's win over Sampras at the 2001 US Open, 7-6, 6-1, 6-1. After the first set, which Hewitt never looked likely to drop, it was a slaughter.

6) 1989 Australian Open, Lendl bt Mecir 6-2, 6-2, 6-2. Didn't just beat him but completely broke his spirit.

A couple of other 'floggings' were
1) 1983 Wimbledon, McEnroe's 6-2, 6-2,6-2 win over Chris Lewis
2) 1977 French Open, Vilas beating Gottfried 6-0,6-3, 6-0
3) 2003 Aus Open, Agassi bt Schuettler 2, 2 and 1.

Although those were huge wins/losses I don't include them as the difference in standard between the two players was so great that the scores were relatively close to what you'd expect.

garcia_doomer
03-22-2008, 06:16 PM
Maybe 74 Connors over Rosewall: 6-1, 6-0, 6-1?

Agree! And Vilas d. Gottfried in RG 77 too!

garcia_doomer
03-22-2008, 06:17 PM
John McEnroe's absolute hammering of Jimmy Connors at the 1984 Wimbledon, 6-1, 6-1, 6-2. Connors was only 32 at the time, had won the US Open the year before, Wimbledon two years earlier and was the number 2-3 player in the world for the entire year. He was fortunate to win 4 games.

French Open 1978, Borg decimated Vilas, the reigning champion, 6-1, 6-1, 6-3




Agree too!!!

string70
03-23-2008, 08:23 AM
my candidates would be the 1984 wimbledon final between mcenroe and connors, mcenroe won 6-1, 6-1, 6-2; and the 2004 us open final federer vs hewitt 6-0, 7-6, 6-0. i know there would have been much worse in the women's side but i'm not a close follower of wta so i leave them up to you guys.

I remember that 84 final, McEnroe was my favorite and Connors was my best friend and playing partners favorite. I had a good day and we were up at the courts early that day for a Wimbledon final:)

ohlori
03-25-2008, 03:15 PM
Bad result but Rosewall's 'thrashing' was mainly due to his 39 year old self not being unable to recover quickly enough after his long 4-set semi win over Newcombe, same as he couldn't recover after his 5-set win over Smith at Wimbledon that year. Little doubt Connors was going to win but the result was as much about his opponent's fatigue as his own level of his play. Same could be said about Graf's 6-0, 6-0 win over Zvereva. An absolute massacre and no doubt about the winner but it's fair to say the score was dictated by Zvereva's stage fright.

As far as I'm concerned, the absolute worst beatings in a GS final are;
1) Lew Hoad's 6-2, 6-1, 6-2 win over Ashley Cooper at the 1957 Wimbledon. I believe it was the quickest final since the challenge round was abolished and Hoad actually gave Cooper 1 game in the second set because he didn't want him to be embarrassed by losing a set to 0 during a Wimbledon final.

2) John McEnroe's absolute hammering of Jimmy Connors at the 1984 Wimbledon, 6-1, 6-1, 6-2. Connors was only 32 at the time, had won the US Open the year before, Wimbledon two years earlier and was the number 2-3 player in the world for the entire year. He was fortunate to win 4 games.

3) French Open 1978, Borg decimated Vilas, the reigning champion, 6-1, 6-1, 6-3.

4) Federer's win over Hewitt at the 2004 US Open. No excuses there, just one guy dominated the other.

5) Hewitt's win over Sampras at the 2001 US Open, 7-6, 6-1, 6-1. After the first set, which Hewitt never looked likely to drop, it was a slaughter.

6) 1989 Australian Open, Lendl bt Mecir 6-2, 6-2, 6-2. Didn't just beat him but completely broke his spirit.

A couple of other 'floggings' were
1) 1983 Wimbledon, McEnroe's 6-2, 6-2,6-2 win over Chris Lewis
2) 1977 French Open, Vilas beating Gottfried 6-0,6-3, 6-0
3) 2003 Aus Open, Agassi bt Schuettler 2, 2 and 1.

Although those were huge wins/losses I don't include them as the difference in standard between the two players was so great that the scores were relatively close to what you'd expect.

You're right. Vilas conceded only three games, but was a much better player on clay.

Moose Malloy
03-25-2008, 03:27 PM
Can't believe no one's mentioned Edberg over Courier, '91 USO

Esp since Courier hadn't lost a set going into the final.

mdjenders
03-25-2008, 03:36 PM
ferrero vs. the legendary martin verkerk in the '03 French final was quite the beating. it was amazing the players verkerk took out to get to that match.

ohlori
03-26-2008, 02:31 AM
Verkerk forgot to focus on the final because of all the sudden attention.

Verkerk's 2007 :???::
http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?query=Singles&year=2007&player=V232&selTournament=0&prevtrnnum=0

zagor
03-26-2008, 02:40 AM
That USO final 2004 was brutal.The way Hewitt was playing that year i was really shocked by the USO final,I don't think Hewitt lost a set getting there.

Shaolin
03-26-2008, 09:17 AM
ferrero vs. the legendary martin verkerk in the '03 French final was quite the beating. it was amazing the players verkerk took out to get to that match.


Verkerk is now playing Futures and hes ranked about 600ish. Hes been losing early in them.

Its kind of sad.

kimbahpnam
03-26-2008, 09:31 AM
Worst: Graf d Zvereva, 6-0, 6-0 French Open Final, not sure what year

I'd want my money back.

I'd like to see the press conference after that match.

If it's any consolation, the commentator said "at the 34 min. mark, it's championship point" or something to that end...so it was a little longer :)
Zvereva didn't even say anything to the crowd

scotus
03-26-2008, 10:27 AM
Zvereva played very well up until the final, and then walking into the stadium with Steffi Graf, all the pressure just hit her.

She looked like a deer in headlight. She couldn't move or hit at all. The poor girl is probably still having nightmares about that match.

matchmaker
03-26-2008, 01:43 PM
Petr Korda's thrashing of Marcelo Rios in the 1997 AO final was also quite embarrassing: 6-2, 6-2, 6-2. It looked like Rios wasn't even trying. That was the only GS final he ever reached. Should have known better.

Pro Staff Pete
03-26-2008, 01:49 PM
Federer thrashed Hewitt pretty handily back at the 2004 US Open. This was against a two time slam champion and former number one.

6-0, 7-6, 6-0

Yeah man 2 bagels in a GS final against a guy who knows what it takes.. insane.

hoodjem
03-26-2008, 01:58 PM
34 minutes according to the commentators: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DbJAKPue20


Ouch! Watch the video, Steffi is creaming the ball. Zvereva never had a chance.

Second (in the modern era) goes to Connors over Rosewall at the 74 US Open. (I give much credit to Rosewall for even getting to the finals at age 40!!)

Steven87
03-26-2008, 02:04 PM
Graf also destroyed Aranxta Sanchez 6-0 6-2 in the 1994 AO
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7E282ZzH-8Y

boredone3456
03-26-2008, 02:09 PM
I agree with grafs 6-0 6-0 defeat of zvereva at the french...I think its the last ever double bagel in a womens singles final...maybe even one of the, if not the, only one to have happened?

2 Cent
03-26-2008, 02:10 PM
Serena put a hurtin' on Sharapova in last year's Australian Open Final.

luckyboy1300
03-27-2008, 05:04 AM
Petr Korda's thrashing of Marcelo Rios in the 1997 AO final was also quite embarrassing: 6-2, 6-2, 6-2. It looked like Rios wasn't even trying. That was the only GS final he ever reached. Should have known better.

isn't pete the one who won the 1997 AO? i think his opponent there was moya.

edit: yep indeed, the match between korda and rios was on 1998.

chaognosis
04-02-2008, 02:51 PM
I would agree with AndrewD that the 1957 Hoad-Cooper match at Wimbledon was probably the most memorable thrashing of the post-WWII era. Some older finals need to be considered as well. Just as legendary as the '57 final was the 1932 victory of Ellsworth Vines over Bunny Austin 6-2, 6-2, 6-0; this was the most spectacular performance of Vines's career and the reason many players, experts, and fans long mantained that he was the best player ever "on his day" (an accolade later generations would bestow upon Hoad). Still, I really feel that the biggest mismatch in tennis history was earlier still, from an era even avid tennis aficionados rarely speak of... the 1881 Wimbledon final between the Rev. (later Canon) J.T. Hartley and Willie Renshaw. This was only the fourth Wimbledon, and Hartley was the last of the truly garden-variety champions of tennis's infancy. Despite the fact that Hartley had won the tournament the previous two years, thus becoming the first person to win multiple titles there, in '81 he was steamrolled by the game's first superstar 6-0, 6-1, 6-1 in only 37 minutes, the shortest three-set final in tennis history as far as I know. Hartley later said in an interview with A. Wallis Myers that he was in fact quite ill at the time, but admitted that he would have stood no chance against Renshaw under any conditions. If you are looking for the one moment when real tennis greatness first burst upon the court, the 1881 final was certainly that.

Rhino
04-02-2008, 04:59 PM
34 minutes according to the commentators: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DbJAKPue20

The only other 6-0, 6-0 in a Grand Slam final was at Wimbledon in 1911.
The Roland Garros final of 1977, Vilas - Gottfried, was the second biggest trashing in the open era on the men's side, 6-0, 6-3, 6-0.

Wow, a 34 minute grand slam final, you'd feel really disappointed to be a spectator!

Chauvalito
04-02-2008, 05:04 PM
Worst: Graf d Zvereva, 6-0, 6-0 French Open Final, not sure what year

Would definitely have to be Graf d. Zvereva 6-0, 6-0 French Open final 1988 in 32 minutes. That would probably hold the record as the quickest final as well.

You have got to be kidding me. 32 minutes...ridiculous.

hoodjem
04-03-2008, 07:08 AM
Still, I really feel that the biggest mismatch in tennis history was the 1881 Wimbledon final between the Rev. (later Canon) J.T. Hartley and Willie Renshaw. This was only the fourth Wimbledon, and Hartley was the last of the truly garden-variety champions of tennis's infancy. Despite the fact that Hartley had won the tournament the previous two years, thus becoming the first person to win multiple titles there, in '81 he was steamrolled by the game's first superstar 6-0, 6-1, 6-1 in only 37 minutes, the shortest three-set final in tennis history as far as I know.

Was this back when the reigning champ had to play only one match to defend his title against the played-through challenger?

Yes. Here's the answer: "Up through 1921, the winners of the previous year's competition (except in the Ladies Doubles and Mixed Doubles) were automatically granted byes into the final round (then known as the challenge round). This led to many winners retaining their titles for successive years, as they were able to rest while their opponent competed from the start of the competition. From 1922, the title holders played through from the start of the championships."

chaognosis
04-03-2008, 08:17 AM
That's right. As you can imagine, the issue of the challenge round became a source of great controversy, particularly in the early 20th century. For example, some argued that this policy gave the reigning champion an unfair advantage, as he came out fresh in the final against a fatigued, worn challenger (many argued that this at least partially explained H.L. Doherty's three-set victory over Brookes in 1905). On the flip side, some argued that this policy actually gave the challenger the advantage, as he would emerge from the tournament "hot" and "in the zone" against an opponent with no real match play under his belt (this was the argument of Wilding, whose four-year run as champion was broken by Brookes in 1914). Both sides agreed, though, that the challenge round needed to go, and so it did. The great Tilden was the last player to benefit/suffer (depending on your view) from the challenge-round policy at Wimbledon.

bluetrain4
04-07-2008, 12:19 AM
I'd add Graf's 1992 6-2, 6-1 drubbing of Seles at Wimbledon.

I know it was a best surface/worst surface matchup, but given the quality of the opponent, it's still impressive, especially considering that Seles won the other 3 Slams that year.

bluegrasser
04-07-2008, 03:37 AM
Seems they slowed Jimbo down another way, Har-tru.

Not really, he beat Borg in 76' at the USO final on har tru..

vive le beau jeu !
04-07-2008, 08:10 AM
Can't believe no one's mentioned Edberg over Courier, '91 USO

Esp since Courier hadn't lost a set going into the final.
this one gets my vote. ;)

BTURNER
04-11-2008, 09:47 AM
Some others of note ( I put in bold the real shockers): RG: Evert vs Morazova 6-1,6-2 in in '74; Evert vs Turnbull 6-2,6-0 in '79; Evert vs Rucici in '80 6-0, 6-3 and vs Jausovec '83 6-1,6-2; Navratilova vs Evert 6-1, 6-3 ; Henin vs Piero 6-1,6-1;Wimbledon: King vs Goolagong 6-3,6-1 in '72 and then she beat her again 6-0,6-1 in '75, Evert vs Mandlikova 6-2, 6-2 in 81, Navratilova vs Jaeger 6-0, 6-3 in 83; Australian: king vs Court 6-1, 6-2 in 68, Goolagong vs Goulay6-3, 6-0 in '77, US Open: Evert vs Goolagong 6-3, 6-0 in 76; Evert vs Mandlikova 6-3, 6-1 in 82 and finally Navratilova beating Evert 6-1, 6-3 the following year.

crawl4
04-14-2008, 02:53 AM
this isnt the worst thrashing but 2002 wimbledon.. hewitt's 6-1, 6-3, 6-2 victory over nalbandian in under 2 hours was pretty convincing

downey stringing master
04-14-2008, 03:17 AM
Seriously 32 minutes?? Thats insane.

cljysters has done the same in 27-33 i think

suwanee4712
04-14-2008, 06:49 AM
I would say the 1984 Wimby final for the men and the 1992 Wimby final for the ladies. Because both of those finals were won over strong opponents that always fight until the end. Those were just masterful performances by McEnroe and Graf respectively.

A final like Graf's romp over Zvereva isn't as much of a "buttkicking" as it is a walkover. At least that's how I see it anyway. Zvereva offered her no competition whatsoever. She was beaten long before that match started.

Connors and Seles didn't go down that way. They fought and just couldn't make any headway. Those were true buttkickings in my opinion. But it was also a more honorable way to lose than poor Zvereva, who was so young and literally scrared to death.

Another great thrashing was Mac's 1983 Wimby win over Chris Lewis. He fought hard too. But he couldn't put a dent in Mac's game.

Steffi-forever
04-14-2008, 09:52 AM
Yeah, Graf 3 matchs, 88, 92 and 94
Justine henin 2 : French Open 2005 against Pierce 61 61 and in 2007 against Ivanovic 61 62

Ronaldo
04-14-2008, 10:55 AM
The 1992 final between Graf and Seles was the rain delay match? Seemed to take 5 hrs to finish. Hardest hitting womens final I ever saw on grass.

BTURNER
04-14-2008, 02:18 PM
Referencing my own previous post. anyone know how King can whip Court in australia 6-1, 6-2 in '68 Australian final? Or how Goolagong can loose to anyone 6-1, 6-0 at Wimbledon? Anyone here or read anything about those finals?

AndrewD
04-14-2008, 03:28 PM
Referencing my own previous post. anyone know how King can whip Court in australia 6-1, 6-2 in '68 Australian final?

After becoming engaged in 1966, Margaret Court announced her retirement from tennis and had intended for Wimbledon of that year (she reached the semis but was somewhat distracted) to be her last ever tournament. She married in 1967 and didn't play at all that year but her husband convinced her to give the circuit one last whirl before settling down to have children. The Australian Open of 1968, played in January at the time, was her first tournament in a bit over 1 1/2 years. She hadn't built up sufficient fitness so was 'dead' by the time she got through to the final. After playing enough tournaments in 68 to get her game and fitness back she won 8 of the next 9 majors, including the 1970 Grand Slam.

Aside from once in 62, the only other time King was able to beat her at a major was in 72, again after she'd taken 12 months away from the game and at only the 4th event she played in that year. If it hadn't been for her year and a half hiatus in 66-67, King would never have won the 68 Australian. Given the way she dodged Margaret Court, it's more than likely she never would have played the event.

krosero
04-14-2008, 05:06 PM
After becoming engaged in 1966, Margaret Court announced her retirement from tennis and had intended for Wimbledon of that year (she reached the semis but was somewhat distracted) to be her last ever tournament. She married in 1967 and didn't play at all that year but her husband convinced her to give the circuit one last whirl before settling down to have children. The Australian Open of 1968, played in January at the time, was her first tournament in a bit over 1 1/2 years. She hadn't built up sufficient fitness so was 'dead' by the time she got through to the final. After playing enough tournaments in 68 to get her game and fitness back she won 8 of the next 9 majors, including the 1970 Grand Slam.

Aside from once in 62, the only other time King was able to beat her at a major was in 72, again after she'd taken 12 months away from the game and at only the 4th event she played in that year. If it hadn't been for her year and a half hiatus in 66-67, King would never have won the 68 Australian. Given the way she dodged Margaret Court, it's more than likely she never would have played the event.One thing that should be mentioned for King is how much time she spent away from the court doing other things for the women's game. If Court had her time away from the court in major sabbaticals, King had her own time away from the court in a consistent way while she was on tour.

daddy
04-14-2008, 05:45 PM
I was just wondering, does anyone have some points stats ? I know it is a bit too much to ask but if I could at least get info on Graf - Zvereva match that would be great.

krosero
04-14-2008, 06:20 PM
I was just wondering, does anyone have some points stats ? I know it is a bit too much to ask but if I could at least get info on Graf - Zvereva match that would be great.There was an upload of that match on YouTube, might still be there; I used it to do a quick count of some stats. The upload is terrible quality, so Iím not certain of all of Grafís winners; and one of her service games is missing entirely.

In what I saw, Graf hit 13 winners (nine from the FH), 2 aces, 1 service winner, 5 other unreturned serves, and 1 double fault. Zvereva hit 2 winners (both backhands), no aces, 3 unreturned serves, and no doubles.

Connors-Rosewall (74 USO): http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=173137

McEnroe-Connors (84 W): http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=117217 and http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=171490

For Borg-Vilas at the 1978 FO, by my count, Borg won 84 points, Vilas 49, out of 133 total (so Borg got 63% of the points). Borg gave up 22 points on serve and won more points on Vilasí serve than Vilas himself did (38 to 27). Borg was broken in 2 of 11 service games, Vilas in 7 of 10. Borg had 21 winners apart from service, Vilas 20. Neither served an ace.

daddy
04-14-2008, 07:12 PM
^^^ Thanks. I was hoping for similar stat for Graf - Zvereva like for the Borg - Vilas, she surely won ridiculously small number of points and I was just interested how many. I'll find the match and count.

luckyboy1300
06-08-2008, 10:26 PM
though it really is painful as a fed fan, this needs to be entered:

Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer 6-1, 6-3, 6-0 2008 French Open

boredone3456
06-09-2008, 03:35 AM
though it really is painful as a fed fan, this needs to be entered:

Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer 6-1, 6-3, 6-0 2008 French Open

Yeah...it was pretty bad...but Nadal was in godlike form, as fed noted after the match, saying he had never seen a better Nadal than he saw today

hoodjem
06-09-2008, 08:29 AM
Every once in a while a pretty good pro player (ranked 11-40) plays "in the zone" or "outta their mind," like Tsonga did at the 2008 Australian Open. Then they blow persons off the court that they should not beat. All you can do is shake your head and hold on for the ride.

Rafa is always extremely good on clay, everyone knows that. But what if this "in-the-zoneness" happens to a top player on his favorite surface at his favorite tournament--then they are completely dominating, overwhelming, unstoppable.

Such was Rafa at the FO in 2008.

AAAA
06-10-2008, 06:53 AM
Advantages Nadal had against Federer at the 2008 French Open final

1) Clay is Nadal's best surface and Federer's worst

2) 3 time Winner of the tournament vs no time winner of the tournament

3) Nadal is the superior mover on clay, faster, superior balance. Federer at times doesn't even move properly on the surface, he slips while Nadal even when stretched wide to hit a defensive shot is still on balance.

4) Nadal is at least as mentally strong as Federer on clay, probably stronger.

5) Nadal has superior tactics, shot selection and more effective shots than Federer on clay.

6) Nadal is physically stronger than Federer.

7) Nadal is arguably much fitter than Federer.

8 ) Nadal has an overwhelmingly superior 9-1 head-to-head against Federer on clay.

9) Nadal has an overall 11-6 head-to-head lead against Federer taking all surfaces into account.

It's not surprising Federer was destroyed considering all the above points.

The last #1 comparable to Federer in achievements was Sampras and he never faced an opponent in a slam final who had so many plus points against him. The weak competition argument knock against Federer doesn't fly.

oberyn
06-10-2008, 07:04 AM
The last #1 comparable to Federer in achievements was Sampras and he never faced an opponent in a slam final who had so many plus points against him. The weak competition argument knock against Federer doesn't fly.

I think a comparison can be made to the 1999 Wimbledon final between Sampras and Agassi (although I agree with you that the deck was even more solidly stacked against Federer).

Even before they played the match, Agassi was guaranteed to overtake Sampras in the rankings. Sampras was a favorite, but there were plenty of people predicting an Agassi victory.

Agassi was no slouch on grass, but the surface and conditions clearly favored Pete, who'd won the tournament 5 out of the previous 6 years.

A Sampras victory wasn't a surprise, but the manner in which he achieved it certainly was.

Teyko
06-10-2008, 07:07 AM
Every once in a while a pretty good pro player (ranked 11-40) plays "in the zone" or "outta their mind," like Tsonga did at the 2008 Australian Open. Then they blow persons off the court that they should not beat. All you can do is shake your head and hold on for the ride.

Rafa is always extremely good on clay, everyone knows that. But what if this "in-the-zoneness" happens to a top player on his favorite surface at his favorite tournament--then they are completely dominating, overwhelming, unstoppable.

Such was Rafa at the FO in 2008.

I disagree. Tsonga was beating Nadal the same way he beat him in Australia and collapsed in that final set.

Fedace
06-10-2008, 07:12 AM
The worst one would the 08 French open final with Rafa vs Roger. Roger had No chance to win that match.

dcd1988
06-11-2008, 11:43 PM
how bout the mens final fed and nadal

6-1,6-3,6-0

Leelord337
06-12-2008, 12:22 AM
The worst one would the 08 French open final with Rafa vs Roger. Roger had No chance to win that match.

obviously you've never seen roger get hot or you wouldn't say such things. when roger is at his best he can beat anybody on any surface.

Duzza
06-12-2008, 12:27 AM
obviously you've never seen roger get hot or you wouldn't say such things. when roger is at his best he can beat anybody on any surface.

Well of course...Fedace just said that Fed had no chance of winning that FO 08 match, clearly..he lost 1 3 and 0!

superman1
06-12-2008, 12:31 AM
Yeah...it was pretty bad...but Nadal was in godlike form, as fed noted after the match, saying he had never seen a better Nadal than he saw today

Nadal's Uncle Toni actually said that Nadal had played much better in previous rounds, and he's a very sharp guy.

I think Roger just put in one of the worst all-time final performances for a world #1, if not the worst. It's more his fault than Nadal's brilliance. Anyone would have lost to Nadal, but there are plenty of guys on tour who could have put up a better fight, and a few of them did in previous rounds. Even if the scorelines were similar, at least the points were longer.

Q&M son
06-12-2008, 02:59 AM
obviously you've never seen roger get hot or you wouldn't say such things. when roger is at his best he can beat anybody on any surface.

Fully agree.:)

Hatari!
06-12-2008, 07:20 PM
I find it amusing how clay is Federer's worst surface when he is the number 2 clay court player in the world.

Ronaldo
06-12-2008, 07:32 PM
I find it amusing how clay is Federer's worst surface when he is the number 2 clay court player in the world.

Bet Nadal don't find it amusing being #2 on grass, eh?

Leelord337
06-12-2008, 10:12 PM
Fully agree.:)

yeah, remember the federer funhouse on espn last year where they showed crazy shots federer was hitting on his opponents. there's no such thing as the nadal funhouse. here's one, if anybody has a better vid post it http://youtube.com/watch?v=h3Ytpst-IOQ

btw, if federer went back to the ncode 90 he'd be just as scary to play as he was in 2005