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tennisnoob
01-03-2005, 08:36 PM
Just bought one whilst I was in Singapore, feels lighter than the U.S. version for sure and more forgiving as well. I was able to generate quite a lot of spin on my forehands, 1 h/backhands and serve and it feels just as stable when i hit really hard. TW should really bring in these racquets!!

thebanker
01-03-2005, 09:28 PM
HI Tennisnoob,

Can you give us feedback in regards to the Asian Edition of the Ncode vs the PS 60 85/95 and the US Ncode 90; eg, stabilty, power, etc. Any response would be greatly appreciated.

Thx,

thebanker
:D

RedGinseng
01-03-2005, 09:30 PM
anCode 90 is 320g (unstrung) so it definitely lighter than the US version. It seems like many people who had used old wilson prostaffs switched to either the ancode 95 or the ancode 90.

BreakPoint
01-03-2005, 10:08 PM
Does anyone know what the swingweight is on the AnCode 90?

How does it compare to the PS 6.0 95?

Thanks

tennisnoob
01-04-2005, 12:54 AM
Does anyone know what the swingweight is on the AnCode 90?

How does it compare to the PS 6.0 95?

Thanks


Gosh, it doesn't say a thing on the racket with regards to the swing weight and all. But it does feel overall very similar to PS 85 except its more forgiving and more manouverable at the net may be due to its lighter weight. As for power ratings, i would still rate this racket as a low power racket, you will still need to get a good swing at the ball in order to generate enough pace. It is still a demanding racket due to its thin 17mm beam but albeit lesser compared to the st' vincent & taiwan pro staff that I have. The racket seems easier to impart spin compared to PS 85 may be due to its slightly larger sweetspot, perhaps the strings played a part as well, i strung the Asian Ncode 90 with Pacific Classic Natural Gut and it hits like a dream! As for stability, i don't feel so much torque when returning big serves or during groundstroke rallies, volleys were pretty easy as well, there were a few times when I had to bend low to volley and I was surprised that the volley was pretty deep considering the weight of this racquet, may be that nano-technology crap really works, who knows? As for a comparison with the PS 95, i will try and get the Asian Edition Ncode 95 from my local friends in Singapore and demo. Will update when I'm done.

jings
01-04-2005, 01:49 AM
Hit with my An90 for the second time today and I am sold on this puppy. It is suprisingly stable, has a great sweet spot and because of the weight and 9 pts H/L you can really start getting some scary action on the ball. It serves really well as I can at last get some snap back into the old shoulder and wrist and was getting some good side spin on serves today. Possibly it excels best at the net, it is very steady and again with a surprisingly large sweet spot it volleys way firmer than I expect. It's not much of a frame to look at, ie the narrow beam makes it look flimsy, but it handles anything but. If you like the "90" Wilson mould but find the US sticks too heavy to get about then seriously have a look at this one. The An90 is definitely stiffer in the beam than the Tour90 racquets (US and Asian) and is closer to 6.0 95 feel with some flex in the hoop. Too long ago to compare it to an 85. I was lamenting my 58/54 tension yesterday on another thread, but that feels about right today. Getting a hair more dwell time and with the lighter racquet really getting some action on the ball. Strung Bow gut mains, Lux alu rough cross. Power is not in abundance with the frame, but if you get the ball out in front with decent strokes you can get all you need. As to swingweight I'd be guessing as I don't know how to calculate it, but I've have this below the 6.0 95 for sure, but not fairy wand territory ... at a guess an even 300.

the banker / breakpoint if you're reading I checked in last night but the guy won't ship to US. Only thing I can suggest is contacting a Wilson agent in Asia. That, or TW if you're reading, seriously take a look at this frame. It may be a hair light for some but it's ideal for custom. I'm a little surprised I'm enjoying it stock, I thought it would be too light, but it handles way better than I'd expected and I seriously doubt I'll play it other than stock now. I put a second frame on order last night too ... what more can I say!

BreakPoint
01-04-2005, 02:02 AM
Jings,
Thanks for the update. Sounds like I really should try the An90. I hope TW is able to convince Wilson to allow TW to sell them here in the U.S. If not, I may have to convince you to ship me some. ;) BTW, how much are you paying for the second An90 (just the racquet)?

Also, do you know if the An90 is only available in Singapore or is it also available in other Asian countries like Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan, etc.?

loubapache
01-04-2005, 04:09 AM
I was in China for a couple of weeks and saw these Asian N90 and N95 for sale around $160. I did not buy any because of what I read here (too light so not stable). Now I will but one or wo when I go back in March. They only have grip sizes up to L3 and I asked the owner if she stocls L4 and she said they are not very popular.

stanleyshyeoh
01-04-2005, 08:56 AM
So I see people agreeing the Asian nCode90 feels good. I had the opportunity to hit with one for a short while and it was a very pleasant surprise.

Earlier, my impression on the Asian Tour 90 was bad. So my expectations for the Asian nCode 90 wasn't high at all. It exceeded my expectations significantly.

I've been holding on to a brand new still grip wrapped US Tour 90 in my hands for nearly a month now. The only reason its still in wraps is the Asian nCode 90.

I'd sell/swap my new US Tour 90 41/4 for a new Asian nCode 90. Any Malaysian or Singaporean up for a heavy Tour 90?

Ray Wong
01-04-2005, 08:47 PM
Breakpoint, all N90 sale in Hong Kong are asian version (320gm), I know Japan also, around HK$1400, most of stores with 70-80% discount. But like loubapache said, only L2-4 available. I have one US N90 bought from TW but haven't tried asian version.

http://wilson-ncode.jp/products/nsix1_tour.html

BreakPoint
01-04-2005, 09:09 PM
Ray,
Is that HK$1,400 price before or after 70-80% discount? Because that's already like US$180, which is how much a US version of the n90 costs in the US before any discounts. Do you know how much an Asian n90 costs after discounts from a store in Hong Kong? Also, do you know of any stores that will ship to the US? Thanks.

!<-_->!
01-04-2005, 09:38 PM
I would like to know about the price details that Breakpoint has mentioned. And do you know the exact name and address of these stores with 70-80 percent discounts.

loubapache
01-04-2005, 11:42 PM
I am not Ray Wong but I think he meant to say that they sell the Ncode at 70 - 80% of the retail price, not 70 - 80% off. The full retail price in China was a little over $200 and 70 - 80% of that was around $150.

I went to two stores in Beijing, China last week and they both had them on sale for 1250 RMB and 1 USD is about 8.2 RMB.

Ray Wong
01-04-2005, 11:46 PM
Breakpoint & !<-_->!,

I'm sorry there is something make you both confused, HK$1400 is the original price, I just phone to store and they tell me the selling price is HK$950(US$120). In HK, most of stores will give offer, some of stores just list the selling price(the original price after discount), but most of stores will not ship to foreign as I know.

!<-_->!,

you can try this,

Master Gear

Unit 1301, 13/F., Richmond Plaza,
498 Jaffe Road, Causeway Bay,
Hong Kong

Tel: (852) 3428 5002

I have asked and they said they don't ship to Int'l.

Ray Wong
01-05-2005, 12:01 AM
I am not Ray Wong but I think he meant to say that they sell the Ncode at 70 - 80% of the retail price, not 70 - 80% off.

loubapache, thanks for your explanation, that what exactly I mean! In Chinese, 8 discount (80% discount) mean 20% off in English. Sorry for these confusion!

!<-_->!
01-05-2005, 01:14 AM
Hey ray, that store you listed, besides the nCODE, how are their prices in general if you know? Cheaper, about the same or more compared to America? If they're cheaper, I might just have some of my relatives pick some stuff up for me.

Thanks

tennisnoob
01-05-2005, 01:21 AM
I might be able to work "something" out with regards to shipping, contact me at jtradical@yahoo.com.

Ray Wong
01-05-2005, 01:51 AM
Head
LM prestige - HK$12XX
LM radical Tour - HK$12XX

Babolat
Pure Drive - HK$8XX

Prince
Turbo Shark - HK$980

Yonex
RDX500 - HK$12XX

Volkl
VE Tour 10 - HK$780

all the price not the updated & it's net(after discount), just I remember. I don't want to list too much that because I'm afraid the agency will raise the price for some reason...
I bought a Bab PD in 03 and the price was $650 and now it's more than $800.

hope it's helpful!!!

I ready to go to watch the exhibition match that M. Sharapova vs E. Dementieva, see you.......

10sNut
02-18-2005, 05:39 PM
I know I may be posting a little late on this one, but did anyone ever find out if TW was going to carry a few of these? IMHO frames that leave a little room for personal customizing are definitely nice.

finchy
02-18-2005, 05:47 PM
i know alot of people here at the TW boards would LOVE if they came in, but im pretty sure TW said that they werent able to bring racquets in from asia.

10sNut
02-18-2005, 06:11 PM
Both versions are probably made in the same factory.

Who told the marketing geniuses at Wilson that all U.S. tennis players are 6'6" knuckle dragging gorillas?

10isbum
02-18-2005, 07:28 PM
Sales of NCode six-one falling in Hong Kong so recent price drop to around $115 to $120 U.S. dollars. No sales tax. Expect shipping charges by postal service to be around $10 and that is airmail to U.S. From Japan, expect to pay around $200 for total cost. Problem is grip sizes, as stores may only stock a few 4 3/8 as their biggest size. Smaller sizes more abundant.

thebanker
02-18-2005, 08:01 PM
I have an asian ncode grip size 4 1/2 for sale if anyone is interested. 100 shipped. Email me at tmdnguyen@sbcglobal.net condition is 9/10. thx

BreakPoint
02-18-2005, 08:22 PM
Hey jings,

Haven't heard from you in a while. Do you have an update on your Asian nCode 90 now that you've been using it for over a month? What is your opinion of it now? How does it compare to the PS 6.0 95? If you've hit with a U.S. nCode 90, how does it compare to it? Are you still using it or have you gone back to your PS 6.0 95?

Thanks for any additional feedback.

finchy
02-24-2005, 06:03 PM
hello jings? I am wondering the same thing as breakpoint. if this racquet is as good as it sounds, i am definitely getting it, one way or another.

edd
02-26-2005, 09:10 PM
Hi guys, i'm staying in spore and might be able to help you all get the asian version.

BreakPoint
02-26-2005, 09:33 PM
edd,
How much can you buy it for and how much is shipping to the U.S.?
Thanks

10isbum
02-26-2005, 11:29 PM
My Asia Ncode 6.1 95 just arrived today from Hong Kong after being shipped on Monday, that's less than one week from HK to California. Total cost, including air mail, less than $130. Also include NCode cover and NCode vibration dampener.

BreakPoint
02-26-2005, 11:47 PM
My Asia Ncode 6.1 95 just arrived today from Hong Kong after being shipped on Monday, that's less than one week from HK to California. Total cost, including air mail, less than $130. Also include NCode cover and NCode vibration dampener.

10isbum,
Can you please share who or where you ordered your Asian nCode from? BTW, do you know if you can get the Asian nSix-One Tour 90 for the same price?
Thanks

LordRaceR
02-27-2005, 05:07 AM
btw, is there Asian version of Tour90, or that is just with nCode T90 ?

loubapache
02-27-2005, 05:15 AM
Yes, there is an Asian version of the Tour 90. The next time I go there, I plan to pick up a couple. The interesting thing about the Asian Tour 90 is that it has "St Vincent Process" on the outside of the throat. It is lighter than the Tour 90 we see here. I do not know how it plays but I do not plan to use them anyway. I will just keep them.

There is no Asian Tour 95 but there is a Tour 100, a bit bigger head.

To all those who are interested in the Asian versions of this and that. You really are buying demo sticks because you do not know if you'll like them. People here want the Asian version. If you go to the Asian tennis boards, people there want the US (heavier) version. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, LOL.

I believe the Asian Ncode Tour is almost 20 grams lighter and that is a lot, compared to the 340 gram US version.

There is also an Asian version of the ROK.

Most of these Asian versions have grip sizes up to L4 and many stores only stock up to L3.

paulfreda
02-27-2005, 06:01 AM
My Asian n6195 is much lighter than the US version.
I had to add quite a bit of lead tape in the throat and at 3 and 9
to get it solid at the net. Even now on defense it doesn't have that
little bit of pop needed on a wide ball. But it is a good frame and
with some tweaking I might get it almost to my 6.0_95.

10isbum
02-27-2005, 05:05 PM
Yes, same price for the Ncode 6.1 Tour 90. A friend vacationing in HK was kind enough to stop into a tennis store and then ship back to California. The tennis store was selected based upon the recommendation of one of the local tennis players extremely knowledgeable in tennis residing in HK as most of us are aware of possible knockoffs. Depending on who buys the racket, the charge can range between $115 to $130. Shipping should be close to $10 per racket. Be aware that 4 3/8 grip size is consider large in Asia and very difficult to find larger grip sizes. There was a guy selling NCode for $85 on E-bay, also charging $30 to $35 for shipping and most of his were around 4 1/8 to 4 1/4 grip size.

Kam
02-27-2005, 06:33 PM
Hi Tennisnoob, might I know how long the Pacific Classic Natural Gut last in the hot and humid SG? I demoed ancode90, ancode95 and ncode95 16X18 (US version) and ended up I bought the US ncode95. Would like to give Natural Gut a try if it last reasonably long. Thanks!

Kam
02-27-2005, 06:37 PM
Hi Jings, might I also know how long your combination last in SG, Bow gut mains & Lux alu rough cross. Thanks in advance!

Liebestod
02-27-2005, 08:55 PM
Hi, I'm in Shanghai. Here's the specs:
head size:90 sq. in.
length: 27 inches
thickness:17mm
weight: 320g(unstrung)
stiffness: 66
swingweight: 325
Balance: 9pts Head Light
String Pattern:16*19

also the specs of Tour90 Asian version
head size:90 sq. in.
length: 27 inches
thickness:17mm
weight: 313g(unstrung)
stiffness: 68
swingweight: 322
Balance: 8pts Head Light
String Pattern:16*19

The actual price is about $130 for Ncode, and $110 for Tour90.

tennisnoob
02-27-2005, 10:58 PM
Hi Tennisnoob, might I know how long the Pacific Classic Natural Gut last in the hot and humid SG? I demoed ancode90, ancode95 and ncode95 16X18 (US version) and ended up I bought the US ncode95. Would like to give Natural Gut a try if it last reasonably long. Thanks!

It lasted me about 6 sets of play before it burst. 4 singles and 2 doubles sets.

edd
02-28-2005, 01:14 AM
edd,
How much can you buy it for and how much is shipping to the U.S.?
Thanks

Hi BreakPoint, sorry for the late reply. Just checked out the prices here for you :
Ncode 61,90 $130
Tour90 $120

Rackets will come with strings but if you want any particular brand of string and tension, i'll try to negotiate with the shop and see if he can throw in for free. Think he only have string brands like : gamma, prince, head, toalson, wilson, babolat and pacific.

As for the shipping charges i'll check it out tomorrow.

Kam
02-28-2005, 06:42 AM
Thank you, Tennisnoob, appreciated your quick reply. 6 sets mean I would need to string it more often than once a week. May be even twice a week, as I hit hard with lot of spin. Guess I have to stick with my poly.

activentures
03-07-2005, 04:55 AM
Edd,

I am looking for a couple of these shipped to the uk, can you help?

Matt.
matthew.dill@smiths-aerospace.com

kingofswing
03-07-2005, 07:56 AM
it's very interesting , many fans in China are looking for u.s version tour 90 or ncode 90, but.....here lots of guys are talking about the Asian version of tour 90/ncode 90.
by now, I have 2 prostaff 6.0 85, 1 head i.prestidge 93,and I bought an Asian version of Ncode 90 before the chinese new year(spring festival), overall , I found 85 is better than the newly ncode 90.

BreakPoint
03-07-2005, 12:30 PM
kingofswing,
May I ask why you like the PS 6.0 85 better than the Asian nCode 90? What do you like and dislike about the Asian nCode 90? As many details as possible would be appreciated. Thanks.

BTW, have you tried the U.S. nCode 90? If so, how does it compare to the Asian nCode 90?

BreakPoint
03-07-2005, 12:32 PM
Hmmmm....I smell a business opportunity here just brokering trades between U.S. nCodes and Tour 90s, and Asian nCodes and Tour 90s, and vise versa.

activentures
03-07-2005, 12:40 PM
breakpoint,

did you manage to get an asian ncode 90??

who from and how much??

BreakPoint
03-07-2005, 12:46 PM
msdill,
No. I thought I was about to conclude a deal with "thebanker" to buy his but he sold it out from under me, without even telling me. :mad:

10sNut
03-07-2005, 01:35 PM
Does anyone happen to have the model number that the Asian retailers are using to sell both the Tour 90 and Ncode 90?

Also, has anyone replaced the bumper/grommet strip with the strip that is available for the U.S. model?

BreakPoint
03-07-2005, 01:40 PM
I think the Wilson model number for the Asian nCode 90 is: T4244E.

It can be seen here: http://wilson-ncode.jp/products/nsix1_tour.html

10sNut
03-07-2005, 01:49 PM
Thanks for the link, Breakpoint.

Please drop me an email when you get a minute.

Thanks.

hedonist
03-07-2005, 03:00 PM
swingweight: 325
where did you find this piece of information? i am interested because jings guessed it about 300 (below 6.0 95 swingweight). thank you.

10sNut
03-17-2005, 10:22 AM
Is anyone in this thread helping (or helped) TW members purchase the Asian Ncode 90 or Asian Tour 90? Are you willing to help others? Please post or email me under my User Name.
Thanks

gts072
03-17-2005, 12:09 PM
I see this auction for one I believe on **** from a seller located in China.

http://cgi.[blank].com/ws/****ISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20871&item=7141765219&rd=1

Replace the [blank] with ****.

10sNut
03-17-2005, 12:39 PM
Thanks gts072 for the link, but that seller only ships to China.

tennisbug
03-17-2005, 12:49 PM
msdill,

i will make a trip to shanghai and come back mid of June, if you are really interested in those rackets, i can help you get one or two. i am in Birmingham, where are you?

Liebestod
03-17-2005, 06:26 PM
where did you find this piece of information? i am interested because jings guessed it about 300 (below 6.0 95 swingweight). thank you.

I found it on some tennis site in Shanghai, http://www.esports.com.cn/product.asp?productid=3181

I used to demo it for about one hour, it plays a little bit lighter than my Diablo 93, so I think the 325 swingweight seems to be just right.

tennisnoob
03-17-2005, 06:40 PM
http://www.esports.com.cn/product.asp?productid=3181

Funny that the details on the warranty card seems to be printed in Chinese........, whereas every other Asian country that gets these racquets all comes with a warranty card in English.

Liebestod
03-17-2005, 07:14 PM
Funny that the details on the warranty card seems to be printed in Chinese........, whereas every other Asian country that gets these racquets all comes with a warranty card in English.

I'm afraid that all the racquets in China(Wilson,Prince,Head,etc,.) come with a warranty card in Chinese.

Spoudaios
03-17-2005, 07:24 PM
I don't know about the Wilson Ncode Tour 90 Asian version but i bought the Ncode sixone 95 Asian version from this guy that delivered to Japan. His name is Hibi. His e-mail is: junjinet@hcc5.bai.ne.jp

E-mail me at: yudi_w@shaw.ca
if you have any question.

Spoud.

tennisnoob
03-17-2005, 07:29 PM
I'm afraid that all the racquets in China(Wilson,Prince,Head,etc,.) come with a warranty card in Chinese.


That's not true, i have seen Wilson and Head Tennis Racquets sold at Seiyu Department Store in Beijing, and they all come with warranty cards in English. So why all the double standards?

monologuist
03-18-2005, 10:17 AM
did someone say that there is a 100 inch Wilson nCode sold in Asia? if so, what is it called and what are the specs?

10sNut
03-18-2005, 10:21 AM
Check out the link above by Breakpoint to the Wilson Japan site. There is apparently a tour 90, 95, and 105 (no 100). The N5 is 100.

loubapache
03-18-2005, 10:24 AM
monologuist:

There is a 100 square inch version of the Tour (non Ncode). These are the black and yellow Tour models.

We get the Tour 90 and 95. In Asia, they get the Tour 90 (Asian version) and 100. On the Tour 90, there is "St Vincent Processing" on the throat. I am planning to get a couple the next time I go to China.

monologuist
03-18-2005, 03:01 PM
Tour 100?..do you know what kind of specs this racquet has?

so what wilson racquets are actually different in the asian versions again?

loubapache
03-18-2005, 03:10 PM
The tour 100 specs are

Head: 100SQIN.
Beam: 22mm
Tension:50-60 lb
String Pattern:16X20
Mass:300g
Balance:32.0mm
POWER LEVEL:111

Most of Wilson's Asian versions can be seen from their Japanese website

http://www.wilson.co.jp/html/Tennis/Rackets/racket_lineup4.html

tennisnoob
03-18-2005, 06:06 PM
The tour 100 specs are

Head: 100SQIN.
Beam: 22mm
Tension:50-60 lb
String Pattern:16X20
Mass:300g
Balance:32.0mm
POWER LEVEL:111

Most of Wilson's Asian versions can be seen from their Japanese website

http://www.wilson.co.jp/html/Tennis/Rackets/racket_lineup4.html

Yeah the Tour 100 plays & feel like the Babolat PD but weighs lighter, too unstable for a headlight racquet.

10sNut
03-27-2005, 05:19 AM
If you are interested in any of the Asian Wilson frames, drop me an email, and I will give you the email of some shops in Asia that carry these models. I am not affiliated with any of them, just helping.

jings
03-28-2005, 03:54 PM
All, apologies for my absence. I had posted this in another "New Wilson" thread and had missed that this Asian one was still alive. Breakpoint thank you for noticing my absence! Work is busy, moving house .. you name it.
Still very much hitting the Asian n90 and just utterly enamoured by it. For those that don't know I hit the PS 6.0 95 for many years and then went on a mission to find a player raquet with similar feel but a bit lighter as I'm getting old ... but not that old. I tried the PS Tour 90 US version but it proved too soft in the beam and ultimately just too heavy, but I loved the basic shape of that frame. The Asian n90 (and thereby I assume the US version although I don't know) is much more like the 6.0 95 in general flex and feel and I honestly couldn't tell you if there was any discernible difference in head size when hitting with it versus a 95 sq. in frame. Perhaps there's a fractionally smaller sweet spot, but nothing to worry about. The Asian n90 is all that I have been looking for. It's narrow beam, player frame mechanics, great feel from a marginally stiff frame, great weight off the groundies, VERY solid at the net and strong as an ox serving and on overheads. I don't know whether it is the lighter frame, I guess it is, but I'm really hitting through ball again like I used to and I'm getting better power off the single b/h than before. What more to say ... I'm lovin' it! I've got Klip Legend 17 gut mains (used to be Bow but they jacked the price and lowered the quality imo) and Alu Rough cross. Yes it's a copycat set up but if you haven't tried it I heartily suggest you do. Strung 58 / 55 with a Bab high damp. If I said that I find the Asian n90 as intuitive to play with as the 6.0 95, but just a tad more powerful and little easier to get into position then that would get close. I haven't been tempted to pull the 6.0s out since I landed my new frames .... Only thing I haven't mentioned is spin, basically because there's more than enough - good b/h slice and bags of top spin if you're hitting correctly. I really haven't found a way to fault this frame yet and can't see that I'll play it anything other than stock.
For gut, the Bow and Klip so far have no problem with the humidity - but I get the Thermoguard onto them as soon as they're strung. The last set of Bow frayed badly so I cut it out. The Klip seems great. I'm hitting about 3 hours a week give or take and think the Lux actually really helps the string life.
Swingweight I reckoned at 300, no idea really. Thinking about it I'd go to 310-315 perhaps as it's not fairy wand, but I'd be surprised it's 325 - seems to move around easier than that. I am probably wrong, but whatever the actual number is it seems spot on.
I echo the comments on the Asian ncode sixone 95 (16x19 and 18x20 versions). It is too light I thought and not really enough oomph in the stick. I tried some lead on the demos but it didn't really seem to make a difference, not for me anyway. The n90 is very different though. Last point, I have not previously enjoyed using any Asian version, especially the Tour 90, but the n90 is a "proper" frame imo.

activentures
03-31-2005, 04:24 AM
I got my Asian ncode 90s through last night. Gonna get out and give them a proper bash asap. Initial reaction was a massive grin on my face. In terms of how it feels in my hands it seems to be what I have been looking for, a compromise between 6.0 85 and 95. Also, it is no where near as light as I expected. I found the stanard n90 too hefty/clumsy, but my worry was the A n90 would be too light/unstable. In fact it feels great and I'm gonna hold off with the lead to start with and give it a go stock. Its got that nice Wilson balance, and I would probably disagree with those saying SW is 300. It feels greater than that of my 6.0 95, although some of this may be due to the reduced resistance through the air. I'll have to comment properly once I have played with it a while.

Will report back soon.

finchy
04-03-2005, 06:46 PM
report? man i really want one of these. i too use a PS 6.0 95 and am wondering if this is worth 5 months of allowance!

kingofswing
04-03-2005, 10:26 PM
kingofswing,
May I ask why you like the PS 6.0 85 better than the Asian nCode 90? What do you like and dislike about the Asian nCode 90? As many details as possible would be appreciated. Thanks.

BTW, have you tried the U.S. nCode 90? If so, how does it compare to the Asian nCode 90?

Hi,Breakpoint,sorry for replying this message for so long(maybe one of reasons is my poor English ), I ask my friends in Hangzhou bought the Ncode,
but I forgot to tell him to have it strung the rackets at the tension I wish to, so I dont know the exact string tension (wilson NXT Tour 17), also I have demoed the tour 90 last year(strung with head Intellitour 17 I guess), overall, the feel of the swingweight of Ncode 90 is large than 85 or tour 90, and I felt 85 & tour 90 is better than ncode 90.

a few of chinese websites like (www.dono.com.cn, www.esports.com.cn)sell u.s version ncode 90 (although they may all comes from China :-) ).

Hopy you will get some clues from my posts.

kingofswing
04-03-2005, 10:28 PM
kingofswing,
May I ask why you like the PS 6.0 85 better than the Asian nCode 90? What do you like and dislike about the Asian nCode 90? As many details as possible would be appreciated. Thanks.

BTW, have you tried the U.S. nCode 90? If so, how does it compare to the Asian nCode 90?

Hi,Breakpoint,sorry for replying this message for so long(maybe one of reasons is my poor English ), I ask my friends in Hangzhou bought the Ncode,
but I forgot to tell him to have it strung the rackets at the tension I wish to, so I dont know the exact string tension (wilson NXT Tour 17), also I have demoed the tour 90 last year(strung with head Intellitour 17 I guess), overall, I feel that the swingweight of Ncode 90 is larger than 85 or tour 90, personally I think 85 & tour 90 is better than ncode 90.

a few of chinese websites like (www.dono.com.cn, www.esports.com.cn)sell u.s version ncode 90 (although they may all comes from China :-) ).

Hopy you will get some clues from my posts.

gapchong
04-03-2005, 10:51 PM
Hi Ray Chow, I just come by Hong Kong recently. Can you tell me which are the trustworthy tennis shops?
Thanks!

kingofswing
04-04-2005, 04:46 AM
Hi Ray Chow, I just come by Hong Kong recently. Can you tell me which are the trustworthy tennis shops?
Thanks!
http://www.racketshop.com.hk/
In Chinese, its called "龙腾". hope it helps

gapchong
04-04-2005, 03:59 PM
Hi king, thanks!

BreakPoint
04-05-2005, 10:09 PM
Hey activentures,
Any feedback you can provide to us yet on your Asian nCode 90's? Have you had a chance to play with them yet? Any comments would be appreciated, especially how they compare to the PS 6.0 95 and the U.S. nCode 90.
Thanks.

activentures
04-06-2005, 03:48 AM
BP
haven't played all week! typical, get new sticks and then rain and work stops play. Playing indoors tonight, so will report back tomo.

BreakPoint
04-06-2005, 11:32 AM
Thanks in advance activentures!

Amit
04-10-2005, 10:41 PM
Wow where can i get one of these >_<? Any of you guys selling them?

Amit
04-10-2005, 10:57 PM
http://cgi.[blank].com/ws/****ISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20871&item=7148543820&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Switch [blank] with ****, can any one tell me the specs on this racket? I want to buy two but im unsure about the grip size, and if its actually the asian version. Thanks

hedonist
04-11-2005, 01:19 AM
Search for items of the user with the name "yundongtiandi" at ****. He is PowerSeller and regularly offers Asian versions very cheap.

Amit
04-11-2005, 03:30 PM
hrmm sounds difficult to get one due to language barriars etc... grr i want one tho >_< so much space for lead modifications, any way can some one translate the specs on my above post, including grip size and whatever, tell me if the link dosent work

Amit
04-11-2005, 06:35 PM
any one? I need to make a racket purchase soon, and im debating on this and the prestige classic. This is open to alot more customization for me so i was gearing towards this, yes i know they are both quite different rackets but if any one can get some info within the next couple hours ^_^ much appriatiated

tennisnoob
04-11-2005, 08:00 PM
Hi Amit, what's your email?

Amit
04-11-2005, 08:09 PM
amit_tripathi@sbcglobal.net i am interested in purchasing two asian ncode 90's 3/8 unstrung and matched if possible. Thanks

finchy
04-11-2005, 08:22 PM
I would not trust any new ncode wilson frames under $150 honestly. In Asia, there have been reports of fake racquets that are very similar down to the minute detail of real wilson racquets. Fake racquets obviously would feel very different plus, I have heard that they crack and break (the frame itself) during stringing. Watch out for those cheap ones!

Amit
04-11-2005, 08:24 PM
hrmm really >_< i trust tennis noob though =D but ya i have to watch out for those thanks!

tandayu
04-11-2005, 09:53 PM
I purchased a racket from Tennisnoob (JTRADICAL@yahoo.com) before. He is reliable and can be 200% trusted.

Amit
04-11-2005, 09:54 PM
thanks for the varification! Ill email him today

activentures
04-12-2005, 02:53 AM
I bought 2 x An90 (4 3/8) from tennisnoob and he is a trustworthy seller. I am no Wilson technician but they seem 100% authentic to me. All paperwork, holograms, paintwork the same as US n90 I have used and have been strung twice and no cracking.

As for the rackets themselves I have had a few hours hitting with them now and the grin has remained if not started to spread! They are the compromise between the PS85 and 95 I was after but thankfully closer to the 85 end of the scale. My initial worry was that they would be too light and unstable but this is not the case. Surprisingly I have gone stock so far and it is unlikely I will change this for the forseeable future. This may change as I get more competitve match play experience with them on differing surfaces but I doubt it. Maybe a little at 3 and 9.

Essentially I wanted the handling/manouverability (in terms of physical size) and feel of the 85 with a bit less weight and larger stringbed for off centre hits (less shanking!).
I have it strung with poly mains and syn gut crosses at 59lbs. The swingweight is greater than the 6.0 95 and it has more heft contrary to previous posts. From the back off the court I was getting great spin off both wings but with enough plough through with a structured swing without having to force it. I like the white in the paintjob as it exagerrates visually your strokes and you can see when you lose your form/technique and looks ace (IMO). There is greater pop than the 85 but I would say that it acts to provide greater comfort rather than unwanted power, and is particularly noticeable as an improvement from the 85 with regard to return of serve.

This is true at the net as well, where the extra head size makes volleying a less stressful situation particularly on half/low volleys. (when I say stressful, i mean that i felt with the 85 that i had to be in A1 position to get a sweetspot contact, but the 90 gives you that extra margin for error when on the stretch.) This extra headsize is not at the expense of control or feel though.

My experince when serving has been limited due to a slight injury but the 3/4 pace spin serves I was hitting felt natural. I can't think of anything of particular note here, and that is perhaps as good an indication as any that the racket sits comfortably with my game. I suspect big first serves will come naturally with this racket, although they may be a driver for adding lead tape.

I would recommend anyone who wants a more forgiving version of the 85 to give the 90 a try. I tried the US 90 but found that one of the factors pushing me away from the 85, the weight, was still an issue. I then tried the 6.0 95. Although far more comfortable, I found that it had detracted too far from the 6.0 85 and was in fact only a very distant relation. It was just too light and had too much pop, and I just couldnt get lead customisation too my liking. Also the feel of having a 95 in my hands after using an 85 for so long just felt wrong, it was like using an OS.

You have to bear in mind that I used the 95 when reading my opinion that the 90 and 85 are very alike in feel. It may just be that they are very alike in comparison to the 95. I also appreciate that many people love the 85 like I did and have no reason to change. But if you are after all the feel characteristics of the 85 but with a little less weight and a slightly bigger sweetspot (btw the sweetspot on the 90 does not feel any smaller than that of the 95 and does not have as big a 'dead area' in the upper hoop) then give the 90 a try. It wont be for everyone, but for me it arrived just at the time when I thought that the playing with the 85 may have ruined my chances of ever finding a frame that sits comfortably with my game again. I think the key is when I play with it, I get on and play the game, as if its an extension of me (i know that sounds cheesy) and nothing about it niggles at the back of my mind.

For those of you who could be bothered to read this, apologies for the length.

loubapache
04-12-2005, 05:12 AM
Fake racquets are problems in Asia. The lowest price for the Asian Ncode Tour 90 that I have seen is about $120 there. If someone is only selling for $40, the racquets are either fake or "obtained" from the Wilson China factories. I would guess the cost is more than $40.

brian.sat
04-12-2005, 08:18 AM
http://www.racketshop.com.hk/
In Chinese, its called "龙腾". hope it helps


Yes, this is the only shop to avoid. Every single distributor refuse to sell them any products.

brian.sat
04-12-2005, 08:26 AM
I would not trust any new ncode wilson frames under $150 honestly. In Asia, there have been reports of fake racquets that are very similar down to the minute detail of real wilson racquets. Fake racquets obviously would feel very different plus, I have heard that they crack and break (the frame itself) during stringing. Watch out for those cheap ones!


In Hongkong most of ncode players' model are selling under US$120. Fake racquet can be found on web in China around US$40 only.

BreakPoint
04-12-2005, 11:51 AM
Thanks for the review, activentures!

The Asian nCode 90 sounds like it may just be the PS 6.0 90 "holy grail" that many people are after. I do hope TW will be able to import these from Wilson soon, so that I'll be able to demo it!

finchy
04-12-2005, 02:11 PM
btw, in my other post, i was not trying to take anything away from tennisnoob, he is a great guy and i do believe he sells the real stuff and a great price. the thing is, he told me about these fake racquets when i asked him about those really cheap ncodes (cheap meaning around $120). he was even kind enough to send me pictures of a fake PS 6.0 85.

loubapache
04-12-2005, 03:02 PM
finchy:

How does the fake 6.0 85 look against the original? Cheap paint job?

Amit
04-12-2005, 04:11 PM
Thx for the input activentures, but how exactly did u get in touch with tennis noob? I emailed him and he hasnt replied yet, but heh its only been one day lol ^_^ i just cant wait to get my hands on it tho. Can you tell me about the transaction between u two?

Spoudaios
04-12-2005, 07:47 PM
Hi Jings,

or anyone that has also tried the Asian Ncode 61 95... How does both racquets compare to each other? Ncode 90 Vs. Ncode 95... The weight listed is only about 10 grams difference. But i felt that the upper hoop is dead for the Ncode95 but it is not the case with the Ncode 90 as activentures explained. Any big difference? How about the swing weight? Is the Ncode 90 lighter?

Which is more stable at net? Better serve? Return?

Thank's
Spoud.

activentures
04-13-2005, 12:45 AM
Guys

Before you all go out and buy one and I get swamped with emails from unhappy customers, try and demo one if at all possible (I know this may be difficult). Don't get me wrong, I love my rackets, but I am worried my early days of romance enthusiasm may have covered over the points I tried to raise. I found these fit my game perfectly, but I don't want to raise hopes that I have found everyones 'holy grail'. However if you are a PS 6.0 user in a similar position to me, give it a bash, it may just be what you are looking for.

I emailed tennisnoob after he left his email on a thread I started on the 'Wanted' board. I paid via paypal and he shipped them immediately. He's a good guy who I'd recommend dealing with. He has a couple of references on the TW references board you can check out.

brian.sat
04-13-2005, 03:03 AM
Although we can buy racquets much cheaper than US, we have to order from TW and **** very often, and, never sell to US once. Asian models have limited or zero stock of 4-1/2 or above. Moreover, Those lightweight versions are relatively unstable and underpowered. So, they sit on the display quietly !!!

BreakPoint
04-13-2005, 11:49 AM
brian.sat,

It sounds like you work at a tennis shop. May I ask what country you are located in? I have heard that in certain countries that 4 3/8 is the biggest grip size available. Can't really understand why as that is very small and even I use a 4 1/2 plus an overgrip, and I have relatively small hands.

BTW, it's interesting that you and your customers think that the Asian versions are unstable and underpowered, whereas, others on this board that have tried them, e.g., jings, activentures, sunmin77, etc., have all found the Asian nCode 90 to be pretty stable and fairly powerful even without lead tape. Several have switched to this racquet preferring it over the PS 6.0 95, PS 6.0 85, and the U.S. nCode 90. Is it just a case of human nature - people wanting what they can't have easily?

brian.sat
04-14-2005, 02:54 AM
I'm located at Macau, just 1 hour from Hongkong, PRC. My friend is running a pro-shop and we discussed everything.

For a low powered players' racquet, if you take away their weight without adding stiffness, how could they become stable and get the winner. Just very simple physics.
For those who like the feel of Asian version may regret after they got pain.

loubapache
04-14-2005, 06:46 AM
<<
Is it just a case of human nature - people wanting what they can't have easily?
>>

I think so because the Asian people really want the Ncode Tour sold in North America! They pay a higher price for it.

sunmin77
04-14-2005, 07:40 AM
I would like to clear up a couple of things here since I can tell that people are somewhat skeptical about the Asian NCode tour 90 in terms of its stability and playability. As activentures has correctly stated, the Asian NCode Tour 90 is a blend between the PS 85 and 95. Since I have played both the US NCode and the Asian NCode, I will compare the two. The US NCode for me was just not maneuverable enough. When I was able to get the racquet around and actually hit the ball in the sweetspot, it felt great. However, it also did not have much room for error. The Asian NCode, on the other hand is very maneuverable. It is .7 ounces lighter than the US version and that difference is definitely felt. However, this weight decrease does not take away from the stability of the racquet at all. The racquet, IMO, is just as stable as the 6.0 85 or the US NCode. I definitely think that the Asian NCode is more flexible than either the 85 or the US NCode. You can really feel it. I am also using the racquet in stock form and I feel no need to customize.
Sweetspot wise, the Asian NCode feels like a 95 or 98 square inch racquet. Whereas the US version has a sweetspot the size of a golf ball, the Asian NCode has a very even stringbed with a far-reaching sweetspot. When I hit the ball in the sweetspot, there is not a better feeling than that.
The way I have the racquet set up in terms of strings might also contribute to the way I feel about it. I currently have it strung with Tourna Poly Big Hitter in the mains at 69 pounds and RAB monoflex in the crosses at 66 pounds. I know people might say that this is rather high but I have found that it just takes this racquet to another level. The power I get from this set up is amazing and the control is absolutely pinpoint. I have a very flat forehand and hit most of my winners off of this side.
Of course, the opinion above is just my own and everybody has different likes and wants, but for me, I truly believe that the Asian NCode Tour 90 is what the US version should have been.

brian.sat
04-14-2005, 09:41 AM
For the case of NCode Tour 90, it is so stiff that it can compensate the weight reduction. For a flexible racquet (RA around 60), the story will be totally different.

My HM200G weighted 360g strung before dampener and overgrip. It can overpower my playmates easily.

BreakPoint
04-14-2005, 10:53 AM
Thanks for the update sunmin77!

I guess you'll be keeping your Asian nCode 90. (I was hoping to buy it off of you if it turned out you didn't like it, especially since that's the same racquet I thought "thebanker" was going to sell to me.) ;)

So is this now your primary racquet or are you still playing with others?

gapchong
04-15-2005, 06:31 PM
Hey Brian,

I went to that shop, and they sell solely Fischers. Where in Macau is your shop? or what's the name of your shop, or would you recommend me any in Hong kong? I am looking at mainly Volkls, Fischers, and Yonexs, but Yonex's prices very rarely go down.

gapchong
04-15-2005, 06:34 PM
Yes, this is the only shop to avoid. Every single distributor refuse to sell them any products.

Hey Brian,

I went to that shop, and they sell solely Fischers. Where in Macau is your shop? or what's the name of your shop, or would you recommend me any in Hong kong? I am looking at mainly Volkls, Fischers, and Yonexs, but Yonex's prices very rarely go down.
Hey Brian,

I went to that shop, and they sell solely Fischers. Where in Macau is your shop? or what's the name of your shop, or would you recommend me any in Hong kong? I am looking at mainly Volkls, Fischers, and Yonexs, but Yonex's prices very rarely go down.

brian.sat
04-16-2005, 01:57 AM
If you looking for 4-1/2 grip size, go to Classic Pro shop near Victoria park tennis courts. Otherwise, just check for a better price around Mongkok.

Spoudaios
04-22-2005, 01:13 PM
Hello i am still waiting reply from anyone that has tried Ncode sixone 95 Vs. Ncode sixone tour 90 both Asian version.... in terms of:

-swingweight
-serving
-topspin
-volley
-groundstroke

Thank you

gapchong
04-22-2005, 04:06 PM
If you looking for 4-1/2 grip size, go to Classic Pro shop near Victoria park tennis courts. Otherwise, just check for a better price around Mongkok.


Hey, Thanks for your info!

Amit
04-22-2005, 04:54 PM
YESS I Just recived my asian tour 90s =D rainin down here in cali (but hey cant complain all u guys goin through tornados and **** lol) ill tell yall how it compares. Visually its pretty different i was surprised, but its definitly somethin special felt solid right from the first time i held it, definitly not as flimsy as it may appear due to weight etc

MRG
04-22-2005, 08:20 PM
It is not really correct that 4 3/8 is the largest size we can get in Hong Kong. Largest size should be 4 1/2 and it is not uncommon to get racket of this size in any proshop in Hong Kong.

New lowest price I saw of a nCode Tour 90 (USL version) is US$113 but you have to use the stringing service by paying extra. Racket alone is still selling at US$120.

finchy
05-07-2005, 05:09 PM
so, if anyone in asia could find shops that sell international and have the asian ncode 90 to list those shops here (if they have websites or some other type of contact) that would be great. please make sure that the racquets are authentic too!

i am very willing to try and get my hands on this racquet and i think i have enough money but i would like to get the cheapest, yet authentic asian ncode 90.

anirut
05-09-2005, 02:08 AM
Too bad ...

I just checked with the distributor where I am. The ANC90 is selling in Thailand for too high a price ... around USD145. But the sales person (with whom I have good relationship) said, "Wait for our year-end sale. Just use your PSTour 90 for now."

So I'll wait ...

MRG
05-09-2005, 07:50 AM
I am from Hong Kong and I just recevied my US version of Ncode Tour 90 (L version) a week ago. Strung it with Timo 18 at 63lbs. Also played with the Asian version (USL version) a few times before with the same string and tension. I would say there are significant differences between the two. But I have not make up my mind of which way to go.

The US version is more stable and solid for groundies and the extra weight of US version allows me to serve with more pace. But the Asian version is very easy to use and much more maneuverable than the US version at the net. My feel is that the Asian version is more maneuverable at the net is not just because of the lighter weight but more impotantly is it is a more headlight racket. The US version is more like an evenly balanced rather than headlight racket to me.

I might try to add some lead tape to them to try with different weight and balance before I make a final call of which one to switch to.

BreakPoint
05-09-2005, 11:20 AM
My feel is that the Asian version is more maneuverable at the net is not just because of the lighter weight but more impotantly is it is a more headlight racket. The US version is more like an evenly balanced rather than headlight racket to me.


That's interesting because the Asian version is spec'ed at 9 pts. HL (unstrung) and the US version is spec'ed at 12 pts. HL (unstrung). This would mean that the Asian version should be about 6 pts. HL strung and the US version 9 pts. HL strung, so the Asian version should feel more evenly balanced than the US version. But you feel it's the opposite. Very strange. Can anyone else verify this?

MRG
05-16-2005, 12:41 AM
I feel strange as well. I tested another 340g version of Tour 90(the black one) this morning and that was much more maneuverable the nCode 90 even both of them are having unstrung weight of 340g. Weird!!!

finchy
05-26-2005, 04:23 PM
so can anyone in asia give us an update on the price? everything is pointing up for the asian ncode tour90.

Goldberg
05-26-2005, 05:02 PM
i have been using the US NCode 90 and would love to get one of the asian ncode 90's. Is there anyone i can contact to get one?
thanks

BreakPoint
05-26-2005, 05:30 PM
Contact tennisnoob. The member who started this thread.

BTW, I've been pushing TW to try and stock these frames. Chris was working on it for a while but came to a dead end at Wilson so he handed it off to Don.

Don, any update on getting these Asian nCode nSix-One Tour 90's from Wilson? Thanks.

The Ripper
05-26-2005, 06:47 PM
Hey Breakpoint,

Have you played the PS 85 very much? It "feels" rather head heavy (in spite of its 9 pts HL marking). The same is true of the Tour 90 and nCode Tour 90. FWIW, the "95" versions of the Pro Staff line don't feel head heavy (except perhaps the nCode 95, but not as much as the nCode Tour 90). I just got into an argument with a stringer up in Northern California because he said 10 pts headlight is the same on every racket. I begged to differ. In the latest Wilson line, the nCode 95 nTour (2 pts HL - the "Henin-Hardenne" racket) comes the closest in balance to the PS 85. And the PS 85 is much lighter feeling than the Tour 90 or nCode Tour 90 - so go figure. It is not the overall weight of the racket because the POG mid weighs in at 12.4 oz., is 12 pts head light and feels 12 pts headlight. After playing on all these rackets the last 2 years or so (as you know :)), I am now leaning toward going back to either the PS Tour 90 or the nCode Tour 90 - I like the heaviness I get on serves and solidity for return of serve from the heavier racket. And apparently my stamina and strength have increased enough to not be bothered by a "heavy" racket (beat my 4.0 buddy 6-4, 6-2 in 2 hours - racket felt great the whole time (Tour 90). I'm finding the nCode 6.1 95 too powerful, so back to the Tour 90's.

Anyhow, trying to add some input on this "headheavy" Wilson thing. Sounds like the Asian version is lighter overall and truly HL, but as said above, it then lacks the heavy serving and solidity on ground strokes.

:D

P.S. The PS 6.0 95 is a great serve and volley racket, but it didn't feel as solid or stable to me as the PS 85, although it did have that "magical" feel when you hit it just right. For me the 90" head is the perfect combination - just what Pete wanted!

BreakPoint
05-26-2005, 07:26 PM
The Ripper,

What's even more important than just points headlight in determining how heavy or light a racquet feels is the swingweight. Yes, two racquets can have the same balance (e.g., same number of points headlight) but have different swingweights and feel totally different when you swing them. This is due to the distribution of the weight, i.e., whether more of the weight is closer to the balance point (median) or futher away towards the hoop or even upper part of the hoop. So although the PS 6.0 95 and the nCode n6.1 95 may have similar specs (i.e., static weight, balance, etc.), the n6.1 95 will feel much heavier because it has a higher swingweight.

Yes, I agree that the PS 6.0 95 is a great S&V stick because of it's low swingweight which makes it very maneuverable at the net and also allows me to whip the head through to generate fast racquet head speed on my serves for pace and spin.

Spoudaios
05-26-2005, 07:55 PM
Hi,

I posted my message a while ago. Has anyone tried to compare the Ncode 95 (Asian version) vs. Ncode 90 (Asian version). Which one has lighter swingweight? better groundstrokes? better for serves? volleys? etc?

Thanks

The Ripper
05-26-2005, 08:26 PM
Hi Breakpoint, thanks for the response.

Using the example of the POG and the PS 85 and applying weight distribution around the median point, if I am getting this right, the POG has more weight below the median point but further toward the butt of the racket than the PS 85 which also has its weight below the median point but closer to the median point, thus making it feel less headlight. And this would be because of the leveraged weight coming from the median point. The weight closer to the median line would cause the racket to be less head light regardless of the total mass of the racket. If this is true, then one really must look at swingweight rather than points HL as an indicator of how "heavy" the racket feels.

Anyhow, to try to be kind of on point, the Asian nCode must have the weight lower in the handle than the US nCode. Do they think Americans prefer heavier rackets? And, as I think you and I both know, Federer is not playing with an off-the-shelf nCode Tour 90, and Sampras had his St. Vincent so loaded down it probably weighed 14-15 ozs., and probably head heavy because he was so strong.

Just another $.02 worth! ;)

BreakPoint
05-26-2005, 08:39 PM
The Ripper,

Actually, I was referring to the weight distribution ABOVE the median point. Assuming the POG and the PS 6.0 85 have the same balance (median point), the PS 85 can feel heavier if more of its weight distribution is further away from the median point, meaning closer to the hoop or top of the hoop. The POG can feel lighter if more of its weight is distributed closer to the median point because then it's closer to your hand which is also the axis of your swing. You cannot have more of the weight towards the handle because that would change the balance point.

Imagine putting a practice doughnut on a baseball bat near the top end of the bat. It will swing and feel much heavier than if you placed that doughnut closer to the median point due to the centrifugal force of the swing.

BTW, yes, the swingweight is a much better indicator of how heavy the racquet will feel when you swing it than the balance (points headlight) is.

The Ripper
05-26-2005, 08:53 PM
Yes, after submitting the post I realized you had said "above" the median point, but I do see what you mean. It would take much less weight above the median to affect the head "lightness." So the 6.0 85 must have more toward the hoop. Funny thing is, over the last couple years of playing I have ended up gravitating toward that slightly heavier swingweight, mostly because I can get more "weight" on my serve. But I believe it is also a function of the overall mass of the racket. The Prince O3 Tour just didn't seem heavy enough to make a heavy ball serving, whereas with the little 6.0 85 (or the Tour 90 or nCode Tour 90) I could put lots of weight on the serve; and, none of Wilson's were so headheavy feeling that I still didn't have good mobility at the net, although there's no question the O3 Tour was much quicker.

So guess I'm going for the heavier ball because ultimately that seems to make a stronger game. Reminds me of Sampras's serve versus Roddick's serve. I've heard Courier, Agassi and others say Pete's serve was very difficult to get back - heavy, placement, great disguise. Whereas at this point the top players have basically figured out Roddick's serve and can generally handle it.

Spoudaios
06-05-2005, 01:03 PM
Any update on guys that have been using the Wilson Ncode Tour 90 (Asian version) ?

I am planning to get one from a Japanese supplier. A bit pricey but it will be authentic for sure.

alan-n
06-05-2005, 02:20 PM
The specs on the Asian NCode looks like that of the US with a lightened grip...

In fact today I've removed the leather grip and used 2 over grips instead. This brought the weight down 20 grams to 12.1 ounces strung and 5.5 points head light on the balance board. I'm going to give it a few hitting sessions and compared to my other US NCode tour 90 with the leather grip.

finchy
06-05-2005, 03:01 PM
that sounds quite interesting alan. the thing is, the asian ncode tour 90 is about 8-9 pts. headlight i think, so you would be missing just a little bit. i also think that the us and asian versions are totally different in weight distribution so they could not be matched to the asian version. im still waiting for the price to go down.

alan-n
06-05-2005, 03:38 PM
that sounds quite interesting alan. the thing is, the asian ncode tour 90 is about 8-9 pts. headlight i think, so you would be missing just a little bit. i also think that the us and asian versions are totally different in weight distribution so they could not be matched to the asian version. im still waiting for the price to go down.

Thats unstrung balance. The US version is listed at 12 points HL unstrung, after stringing, mine comes out to around 8.75 points HL.

The same would be true for the asian NCode, it is 9 points HL unstrung, strung it comes out around 6 points............ and the entire racquet weight is 20 grams lighter. This would indicate that the head / throat and racquet construction is the same, just that the US version has more weight in the handle.

Michelangelo
06-05-2005, 04:01 PM
Pro Staff Tour 90 also have the lightweight Asian version, but even more rare since Pro Staff Tour 90 only ran for about 2 years. But for me I will not go for it since I feel pretty fine with 12.6oz rackets.

BreakPoint
06-05-2005, 07:31 PM
Thats unstrung balance. The US version is listed at 12 points HL unstrung, after stringing, mine comes out to around 8.75 points HL.

The same would be true for the asian NCode, it is 9 points HL unstrung, strung it comes out around 6 points............ and the entire racquet weight is 20 grams lighter. This would indicate that the head / throat and racquet construction is the same, just that the US version has more weight in the handle.

alan-n is correct on this. The Asian nCode 90 is 9 pts. HL UNSTRUNG, so it's about 6 pts. HL STRUNG. Thus, the U.S. version at 9 pts. HL, is balanced more HL but is heavier overall. This would mean that the swingweight of the Asian version is only slightly less than that of the U.S. version.

alan-n
06-05-2005, 08:12 PM
Alright, I went out for some playtesting today and can directly compare the US NCode Tour 90 with the leather grip removed / replaced by 2 overgrips VS the stock US NCode Tour 90.

Baseline ground strokes, the replaced grip Tour 90 / less head light was whippier and required less effort to impart spin and hit penetrating balls. My forearms are well pretty strong so I did not notice any difference volleying, for someone who felt the stock NCode was not manueverable enough the modified US NCode would be less demanding. Overheads and serves required less effort to generate rackethead speed, when using a full service motion and driving my legs there wasn't any difference, but overheads were definitely easier for me.

All this falls in line with what everyone describes of the Asian NCode Tour 90. I'm convinced and it would make economical sense for Wilson that the Asian NCode Tour 90 and US version come off the same production line, simply one has less weight added in the handle.

finchy
06-05-2005, 10:34 PM
this is interesting. the reasons i want to get the asian version is because it is said to be exactly like the PS 6.0 95 but in all aspects better and i can get it for cheaper with no tax after shipping. as for the US version, it probably wont feel the same as the asian version and i still have to pay tax and will most likely pay over $170.

rulik
07-11-2005, 08:44 AM
Guys, where I can buy Asian ncode 90?

rulik
07-11-2005, 09:19 AM
Ok found it.

Amit
07-11-2005, 05:41 PM
i dunno bout ur ncode break points, but both of mine are 9 pts hl on the dot strung with gut/alu bb, and all the stats are almost identical to the us one plus minus small manufacturing dificiencies. Exept the weight of course, Surprisingly it does have more swingweight though, and a slightly higher sweetspot. I think your are really outa whack, you have to check on those, whod you buy from?

jings
07-11-2005, 08:50 PM
Would agree with you Amit on HL. I haven't had mine measured but they don't feel as low as 6.
I hadn't realised this thread had rumbled on so far. Fyi I'm still playing mine stock and think they're great - can't fault 'em. In case anyone is still in any doubt these frames are as stable as you could possibly need them. As I've said they may look a bit skinny, but they play anything but.

down.the.line
07-11-2005, 08:53 PM
Been reading this thread and other bout N90 for sometime.I've bought mine and gonna have a whack with it tmr.From all the posts here, my AN90 shud be a gem to play with.Will post findings after playing with it.

BreakPoint
07-11-2005, 09:15 PM
Amit,
I have not measured the balance on mine but am just going by the spec on the sticker on the racquet. It says 9 pts. HL unstrung, so I assumed that means 6 pts. strung, since strings typically add 3 pts. to the balance. To me, 6 pts. HL feels about right. They do swing pretty easy, but I think that's due to the light weight and not the balance. I can actually serve better with the US nCode 90 than the Asian nCode 90 and I think that's due to the more headlight balance of the US nCode 90, although it's a much heavier racquet overall.

I'm used to a really headllight racquet since I've been using a PS 6.0 95 for some time which is like 10-11 pts. HL. The balance of the Asian nCode 90 really threw me off for a while and I couldn't serve with it without either hitting the frame near the throat or hitting my serves long. I've since adjusted, but serving still doesn't feel as natural to me as with the PS 6.0 95 or the US nCode 90. I can only attribute that to a significant difference in balance.

BTW, I highly doubt the Asian nCode 90 is 9 pts. HL strung. Given the light static weight, if it were really 9 pts. HL, it would be pretty unstable and swing like a flyswatter. The US nCode 90 is sped'd at a swingweight of 330, whereas, the Asian nCode 90 is spec'd at 325. If they were both 9 pts. HL, given the huge difference in static weight, there should be a much bigger difference in swingweight. The Asian nCode should be more like SW of 310 or less then, which it isn't.

Amit
07-11-2005, 11:45 PM
yepp just remeasured mine are 9pts headlight on the dot. They are 12 oz strung and with grip. I added about 10 g of lead to get it to 7pts head light. It is very similar to safins setup, with lead and weights the same with the same balance. Im not sure about swing weight etc... But im liking it =D

BreakPoint
07-12-2005, 12:06 AM
Amit,
How are you measuring the balance? You do know that 8 pts. = 1 inch, right? Where is the balance point distance from the end of the butt cap? I assume they're strung? It would be hard to believe that Wilson would be that much off in it's balance specs.

Amit
07-12-2005, 01:29 AM
yepp measured perfectly with my viper balance board. Are you sure your rackets are real? Alot of fake ncodes from china have been circulating, who sold you yours?

BreakPoint
07-12-2005, 01:35 AM
Mine are definitely real. One originally came from tennisoob, although it changed hands twice before it reached me. The other was obtained directly from the sole authorized Wilson distributor in Taiwan.

doriancito
07-12-2005, 08:51 AM
Just bought one whilst I was in Singapore, feels lighter than the U.S. version for sure and more forgiving as well. I was able to generate quite a lot of spin on my forehands, 1 h/backhands and serve and it feels just as stable when i hit really hard. TW should really bring in these racquets!!

can you post some pictures!

Pisolino227
07-12-2005, 09:49 AM
The specs on the Asian NCode looks like that of the US with a lightened grip...

In fact today I've removed the leather grip and used 2 over grips instead. This brought the weight down 20 grams to 12.1 ounces strung and 5.5 points head light on the balance board. I'm going to give it a few hitting sessions and compared to my other US NCode tour 90 with the leather grip.


Alan, what is the strung weight of the Asian Ncode Tour 90. Tell me more about this non leather us version. Just how similar is it to the Asian Tour 90. Thanks a lot!

Dmitri

finchy
07-12-2005, 10:02 AM
hey breakpoint. can you compare the asian ncode 90 with the PS 6.0 95 please? i have been eyeing this racquet for the longest time and have been wondering about getting one of these or a backup 6.0 95.

Amit
07-12-2005, 10:33 AM
you'll find it to be almost as different from the 95 as the us 90 is. Its still a fullblooded tour 90, just weighted down and again breakpoint seems to be the only one who has his asian ncodes at 6 pts head light and so heavy at 12. 6 at the heaviest (correct me if im wrong). Both of mine were matched by tennisnoob and they are at 12 oz strung with overgrip. Its not necessarly a different racket than the us tour 90, I still think its still fully a players racket, and if your looking for something truly forgiving, but is still in this catoegory you are looking in the wrong place. Imho i think its just an overall better version than the us tour 90. Obviously I'm sure many would disagree

BreakPoint
07-12-2005, 12:28 PM
Sorry but I disagree with Amit. I do find the An90 to be somewhat similar to the PS 6.0 95, in that they are both fairly easy to swing. The biggest difference I find is in the balance. Like I said above, the PS 6.0 95 is very headlight (10-11 pts. HL), whereas, the An90 feels much more even balanced to me (6 pts. HL). Thus, the An90 hits groundies a bit more solidly due to more mass in the head. However, I find the PS 6.0 95 much better for serving and for volleying.

I've been playing the USn90 side by side with the An90 the last couple of days and the USn90 certainly does feel much heavier and more substantial. The extra weight of the USn90 also makes it much more powerful and more stable. I can hit the ball very hard with the USn90 on all of my shots, and it's solid as a rock. The An90 is less so due to the lighter weight. At net, the USn90 is so stable and solid and cannot be pushed around no matter how hard the ball is hit at you. Not true with the An90, although it is more maneuverable. It's also much easier to serve bombs with the USn90 than the An90 due to the extra weight and more headlight balance. Serves come off the An90 much weaker and with less bite.

However, with all that said, the An90 is still a nice racquet because it is easy to swing and I don't get as tired playing with it as I do the USn90. So it really is a trade off. They are both nice racquets. The USn90 is good for when you want to hit the ball real hard and have that rock like stability on all shots. The An90 is good if you want to play a 5-set singles match in 100 degree heat. I find the USn90 a bit better for doubles since I tend to need to hit the ball harder in doubles, I get more stability on volleys, and since I don't serve as much, it's less tiring on my shoulder.

BTW, as far as feel, I find the An90 to feel very similar to the HPS 6.0 95 Tour (Euro version). If you have ever played with that one, I think you'll find the An90 very familiar, so switching from the HPS 6.0 95 Tour to the An90 shouldn't be too hard.

BreakPoint
07-12-2005, 12:33 PM
BTW, Amit, I realized that the scale I weighed my An90's on was a bit off on the high side. Without the two overgrips and dampener, my An90's are probably more like 12.2 oz and 11.9 oz., strung with 16g strings.

Amit
07-12-2005, 02:04 PM
Ya different take, but i actually felt i could swing harder with my asian ncode =D. That goes to show you how much different play styles make a difference, its all down to you, i suggest trying it before you buy. Where are you located? Going for the 95 is a good option i think.

finchy
07-12-2005, 09:08 PM
meh. my strokes are starting to click back in. or as mary carrillo would say, i would be "dialed in". i think i will stick with my PS 6.0 95's. im starting to appreciate the 6.0 feel even more when im on my game. btw, now that i have worked on it, i think my backhand is better (when it's on) than my forehand.

EDIT: by the way, i hit a little with my friend's USn90's today. i have hit with them a long time ago and they felt like bricks. now that i play just about 3-4 hours every day, i got used to my PS 6.0 95 and the USn90 felt a little bit easier to move, but it still felt very slow to swing. it was extremely solid and i totally agree with breakpoint for the most part. i did not like the fact that i could not feel a thing with it though.

EDIT2: one more thing. BreakPoint, i think i saw you mention that you were looking for something easier to swing than your PS 6.0 95's. at least i think so, it might have been someone else. but i do remember others saying that they switched from PS 6.0's to the asian ncode 90. will you be one of these switchers? i was wondering if you will switch from your PS 6.0 95's and if your experience with the An90 was worth the investment. i, myself being a student, do not exactly have a steady income (much less any at all!) so getting a An90 would be a big gamble for me.

could you possibly compare the Asian n90 to the PS 6.0 95? in your other post it looked like you just compared it to the USn90. thank you very much for your time.

BreakPoint
07-12-2005, 10:04 PM
finchy,
Like I mentioned above, I find the An90 and the PS 6.0 95 somewhat similar in that they are both pretty easy to swing and both feel fairly solid and have that ProStaff "dead" feel to them. The PS 6.0 95 is a bit livelier and the An90 has that same muted nCode feel as the USn90. As I mentioned above, the An90 is a bit more solid on groundstrokes due to the extra weight in the head (can probably also be achieved by adding lead tape to the hoop of the PS 6.0 95), but the PS 6.0 95 is better for serves and for volleys due to the more headlight balance. The An90 sometimes has a bit more pop if you catch it in a certain way, but the PS 6.0 95 still has more feel and more power for most shots, probably due to the higher overall weight.

I've been playing with both recently and can switch back and forth fairly easily. Like I also mentioned above, if you've ever hit with the HPS 6.0 95 Tour, I find the An90 to be very similar in feel and power level.

Hope that helps.

finchy
07-13-2005, 10:06 AM
i see. thanks very much BreakPoint. im just wondering, what stick do you hit with mainly now?

i am for sure going to stay with the PS 6.0 95 though.

BreakPoint
07-13-2005, 11:32 AM
i see. thanks very much BreakPoint. im just wondering, what stick do you hit with mainly now?


Depends on the day. Like I mentioned, I switch back and forth. Sometimes even during the same match!!! :)

jings
07-13-2005, 07:29 PM
I still carry my 6.0 95's but have switched to the AN90 now. I'd agree with Breakpoint there isn't much between them overall. I actually get a better response on serve with my AN90s and overall more spin too on both serve and groundies. It may be that the sweetspot location on the AN90 is pretty much centre hoop, but just below centre on the 6.095 - intuitively that's where I visualise the ball, in the centre. Hard to describe but for me the AN90 just feels a slightly "sharper" version of the 6.0 and perhaps a little less forgiving. I wouldn't make a big point of forgiveness though - frankly one racquet on top of another and it's hard to see any real difference and when hitting I've stopped noticing. For me the most noticeable differences are beam width (slightly "sharper" feel) and spin. The spin (and indeed serve) may well be a function of the balance. As I said I haven't measured my AN90s but they're not nearly as HL as the 6.0s - is anything?! - and maybe I prefer a lower HL set up than I thought. Anyways as a 6.0 95 long time user and still fan thereof, the AN90 is my racquet now. Lastly on power I'd say that I get more out of my AN90s but it maybe that I'm able to swing a little harder with it ... again though as Breakpoint has said they're quite similar racquets in lots of ways. If you bought one and were disappointed finchy, I'd be surprised.

rulik
07-13-2005, 10:56 PM
Stupid question but... USn90 vs An90 which one provides more power?
Thanks

BreakPoint
07-13-2005, 11:02 PM
Stupid question but... USn90 vs An90 which one provides more power?
Thanks

Definitely the USn90 because it's quite a bit heavier. You can hit the ball much harder with the USn90 - as long as your arm and shoulder don't fall off doing it. ;)

finchy
07-14-2005, 12:26 PM
one more thing breakpoint, which one swings faster?

does the thinner beam width do anything different for you?

BreakPoint
07-14-2005, 12:40 PM
one more thing breakpoint, which one swings faster?

does the thinner beam width do anything different for you?

If I had to pick, I'd say the PS 6.0 95 swings a bit faster due to the lower swingweight and the more headlight balance, but it's not significantly noticeable. I'm not sure if the thinner beam of the An90 makes it swing any easier or not, but I think the smaller head might make it just a bit more maneuverable (get's a bit less in the way).