View Full Version : Ok im done. My elbow is swiss cheese. Time for a new racquet

James Brown
03-23-2004, 10:04 AM
I just played for an hour yesterday and right now my elbow is beyond swiss cheese. its messed up completely. Thats what i get for putting lead tape (in throat, i took it off after 20 mins..no difference). My serve technique is poor so thats a start, but my forehand technique is fine,as is my slice backhand (i dont really hit a regular backhand, my left hand is in bad shape, have to see rhumatic specialist.) I think its time to move on from my beloved ps 6.0 95 to something more flexible and throw some gut in it. At the time I was using wilson nxt at 64 (im sure it musta dropped a tad. maybe down to 62,63?)

I was thinking of the yonex rdx 500? All i know is i want something I can actually find. TW kills me for shipping..so I need an alternative. I need a racquet thatll save my elbow but plays similar to the ps 6.0 95. Im open to all headsizes 90 and above. Please help me out, this is ridiculous.

03-23-2004, 10:21 AM
try volkl c10, tour 10mp, or new v-engine 10. volkls are pretty nice on the arm, also POG OS. depends on other things you're looking for.

03-23-2004, 10:27 AM
Before I simply changed racquets I would look at some of the root problems for your elbow problems. Doing stretching exercisies lifting weights etc. Tennis elbow is really a problem with the forearm and the tendon that attaches to the arm above the elbow. It could be tendonitis or tendonosis, which are two different problems that need to be addressed differently. The service motion (more accurately) the follow thru is the biggest issues for tennis elbow. Then comes the backhand (mostly one handed) and last the follow thru for the forehand. It is not as much the "shock" of the impact except for the one handed backhand.

louis netman
03-23-2004, 10:29 AM
Agreed, those sticks kreative mentioned are definitely the best for the arm...However, they will NOT play like your PS...
If you wish to continue playing the game you love, you'll have to get accustomed to an entirely different feel; flexible. I've played with stiff Wilson sticks in the eighties and since adapting to the feel of flexible rackets, I've never looked back...
Good Luck!

03-23-2004, 10:31 AM
I don't think the PS 6.0 is known for causing elbow problems? It's a heavy, headlight racquet, which is supposed to be elbow friendly. I've been using the PS 85 and the PS 95 for close to 20 years with no elbow pain.

I'd recommend seeing a doctor, getting PT, and working on form. IMO, a new racquet will only help so much. Also, I guess there is a new ultra sound theropy that is supposed work. I've heard it's expensive, though.

03-23-2004, 10:56 AM
I'd echo the thoughts from previous posters. PS 6.0 is a good racquet and heavy enough. I might get rid of the lead tape if that's making it head-heavy.

I think your problem may lie in a technique error. Besides your serve, how is your backhand? You'd be better of using the $ for a new racquet on lessons with a good pro.

I hope your arm recovers.

03-23-2004, 11:18 AM
I would also be surprised if the PS 6.0 95 was causing your tennis elbow. In my opinion, the PS 6.0 is one of the most flexible feeling racquets out there, with that sweet, wood racquet-like feel. In fact, I got tennis elbow using a Head Titanium racquet (Ti Fire Tour Edition) a couple of years ago and had to take six months off to recover. When I came back, I switched to the PS 6.0 95 (after about six months of demo-ing), and I haven't had a hint of tennis elbow again. I find the racquet really elbow-friendly. It might be your technique that's causing your elbow problems, so I would agree that you may want to have a pro check out your strokes.

03-23-2004, 11:20 AM
Better get used to using a wet noodle of a racquet for life. Old, ancient Ultra/Kevlar, Ultra FPK, or Ultra/Graphite 95 from the late 80s have it all. Flexibilty of the Head Tour series, open string pattern like your Wilson, and have not achieved cult(Prestige) status. The two modern racquets that may work are the Wilson PS Zone 7.1 or the Estusa Power Beam Pro. IMHO, TE is from bad form. Two yrs ago the PS 6.0 85 just was so hard on my elbow that I scarcely could hit more than 5-600 groundies before my arm was in a bag. Now I can use a titanium mopstick with no problems. Those Head Tour racquets or Wilson Ultras are so easy to use, I can play for 3-4 hrs without a twinge. Btw, using a Babolat Aerotour Limited now and it is comfy. And that is one stiff racquet.

Steve Huff
03-23-2004, 11:28 AM
I use a ProKennex 5g because of its comfort. I get a sore elbow easily because of some of the meds I take, so comfort is my main priority. If you can find some, the easiest on the arm racket ever made (in my opinion) was the ProKennex Asymmetric 265. I think it's in the Destiny family. It's flexible, around 12.5oz. Even to this day, if I aggrivate my elbow, I'll pull it out and use if for a few weeks until my elbow pain is completely gone.

03-23-2004, 11:39 AM
I demoed the 6.0 95 for several hours and thought it was more comfortable than many frames. If you put on an absorbent grip and try soft strings and your elbow is still messed up, then it's probably technique.

However - just a few weeks ago I demoed the V Engine 10 and thought it was a great frame in every respect, one of the better all-around frames I've tried.

03-23-2004, 11:51 AM
:roll: My "elbow doctor" was an old Fischer Vacuum with Babolat XCel strings.

Like this one:

http://cgi.*********/ws/****ISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3668148220&category=20 871

When your elbow gets better...the C10 or the Tour 10 MP would be OK, but I'm sure that you never play with anything other than the Fischer :wink: .

James Brown
03-23-2004, 12:39 PM
my one handed backhand technique is poor. This elbow trouble started before and escalated to the point where I have to stop because i cant do anything. i can barely lift a water bottle. I often forget to do the flick at the end to generate topspin. Also, I hit the ball really late, i havent gotten used to being early. Im relatively late on all my strokes. I find it allows me to generate more pace, i jump into it and i can smack the ball easily. But it does kill me. When i step into the ball and hit it early, it feels awkward. As for my serve. I kinda serve like rios, but im a righty. my takeback is a bit more abbreviated, but i do the whole 'throwing motion'. Although sometimes i will swing like straight almost and pronate before my elbow extends. I am just so anxious to go out there and beat everyone that im too impatient for basic technique. I can win points easily off my 4-5.0 friends..on their serve. I cant hit a serve in, literally.

I think you guys are right, Ill stick to my ps 6.0, ill throw some gut in at 58 (64 was way too tight, but im hoping 58 wont give me too much power.) Then ill kick myself and go back to the basics. Complete basics.

But in the meantime, how long should i wait before i start again? And who the heck should I see about this? My personal doctor doesnt help much and my chiro/physiotherapist is incompetent. The pain is to the left of my right elbow, near the bicep.

Thanks guys for all the input. Im gonna demo some volkls too, just incase..

03-23-2004, 01:31 PM
James, some lessons for that faulty stroke might be better in the long term for you. I have better than average form, and I've never had any elbow or wrist pain from tennis, and I tend to use head-heavy stiff racquets. I second the Volkl C10 recommendation; it's a nice stick with surprising power for its flexibility.

03-23-2004, 02:14 PM
What is better than average form? Is "average" being a hacker with poor strokes?

03-23-2004, 02:17 PM
What is better than average form? Is "average" being a hacker with poor strokes?

Compared to my peer group, Alan. Meaning mens 4.0 tournament players.

03-23-2004, 02:26 PM

03-23-2004, 04:18 PM
Please try this test. Use your regular backhand grip and contact against an object like your couch. Hold that stroke for 5 seconds. How does that feel on your elbow. Probably not good. You must consider changing your grip from continental more towards an eastern for your slice. Better yet start learning and using a eastern grip with topspin. This will prolong your elbow and tennis life. Good luck James.

03-23-2004, 09:28 PM
James, do you by any chance use a screwdriver regularly? This is a known cause of elbow problems.

If you're still considering a change of racquet, give the Volkl Catapult 10 a look. Very flexible, very comfortable. But you'll have to add weight to it.

03-23-2004, 09:33 PM
What kind of grip do u use for the back and forehand?

and i believe that the rdx-500 is a bit heavy, i'd prefer the rdx-300. You should demo em both and see what u like. The most flexible racket i ever used was the babolat puredrive plus, but thats me.

James Brown
03-23-2004, 10:13 PM
the rdx 500 is 11 ounces..isnt it? my pro staff is 12 something so...no big weight change there. as for grips. I had this western backhand grip before, its been changed to eastern lately. my forehand is semi/eastern

03-23-2004, 10:16 PM
Prince Warrior - very armfriendly! very good touch and feel! very good spin capability! very cheap!


03-24-2004, 05:17 AM
What kind of grip do u use for the back and forehand?

and i believe that the rdx-500 is a bit heavy, i'd prefer the rdx-300. You should demo em both and see what u like. The most flexible racket i ever used was the babolat puredrive plus, but thats me.

I believe the RDX-500 is like 11.7 ounces, so it's not a club or anything.

03-24-2004, 09:28 PM
no, once u try it you will know. Maybe its because i am used to the babolat pruedrive plus.

Grip: ur grip has alota spin and speed, But ur elbow is the thing i am worried about. Does it hurt off and on?? if so change ur grip to simi western for ur forehand and continental for ur backhand, u may have tennis elbow.

P.S. i am not tellinng you to it is just my opinion.