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llgc8080
04-01-2008, 01:47 PM
Does anyone has the info of the Grand Prix winners (and final positions), played along the 70's & 80's? It would be very helpful to me.
Thank you. :)

Moose Malloy
04-01-2008, 02:57 PM
I have this info for some years. Will have to dig it up.

llgc8080
04-01-2008, 05:47 PM
Thank you Moose, I'll wait.

jeffreyneave
04-02-2008, 01:48 PM
here's list for the 1970s

1970 richey
1971 smith
1972 nastase
1973 nastase
1974 vilas
1975 vilas
1976 ramirez
1977 vilas
1978 connors
1979 mcenroe


The grand prix rewarded playing as many events as possible. hence some of the winners. Borg never played many grand prix events, except in 1973.

jeffrey

Moose Malloy
04-02-2008, 02:09 PM
thanks for posting that jeffrey.

do you know who the top 5 were in '75 & '77?

and do you have the winners from 1980-1989?

thanks

Moose Malloy
04-02-2008, 02:40 PM
according to the itf website, these were the seedings for the masters from '82-'84(the Grand Prix rankings were used for seedings at this event)
I don't know if the standings changed after the masters was over.
Interesting that Wilander finished '83 #1 in the race.

1984

1. McEnroe
2. Connors
3. Lendl
4. Wilander

1983

1. Wilander
2. Lendl
3. McEnroe
4. Connors

1982

1. Connors
2. Vilas
3. Lendl
4. McEnroe

llgc8080
04-03-2008, 06:42 AM
Thank you Moose and jeffrey!

Moose Malloy
04-03-2008, 09:35 AM
Jeffrey, do you know if all events(WCT, ATP) gave Grand Prix points in the 70s/80s?

Here were the rankings for 1981, guess this shows how little Borg played in his final year on tour:

1. Lendl
2. McEnroe
3. Connors
4. Clerc
5. Vilas
6. Borg

jeffreyneave
04-04-2008, 01:14 PM
moose,

regular WCT events counted towards the Grand prix from 1978-81.
Otherwise it was a separate circuit approved by the ATP, except in 1982.

top 5 finishes in grand prix
1975 1977
vilas vilas
orantes borg
borg gottfried
ashe orantes
nastase cibbs



jeffrey

AndrewTas
04-04-2008, 08:01 PM
1970
1. Richey
2. Ashe
3. Rosewall
4. Laver
5. Smith
6. Franulovic
7. Newcombe
8. Kodes
9. Roche
10. Carmichael
11. Goven
12. Nastase
13. Crealy
14. Ruffels
15. Graebner
16. Ralston
17. Fillol
18. Tiriac
19. Drysdale
20. Emerson

1971
1. Smith
2. Nastase
3. Franulovic
4. Kodes
5. Richey
6. Newcombe
7. Barthes
8. Rosewall
9. Graebner
10. Gorman
11. Froehling
12. Okker
13. Taylor
14. Riessen
15. Ashe
16. Fillol
17. Laver
18. Goven
19. Gimeno
20. Lutz

1972
1. Nastase
2. Smith
3. Orantes
4. Kodes
5. Gimeno
6. Hewitt
7. Connors
8. Gorman
9. Pattison
10. Proisy

1973
1. Nastase
2. Newcombe
3. Okker
4. Connors
5. Orantes
6. Kodes
7. Smith
8. Gorman
9. Borg
10. Ashe

1974
1. Vilas
2. Connors
3. Orantes
4. Borg
5. Ramirez
6. Nastase
7. Parun
8. Solomon
9. Ashe
10. Smith

1975
1. Vilas
2. Orantes
3. Borg
4. Ashe
5. Nastase
6. Connors
7. Ramirez
8. Panatta
9. Solomon
10. Dibbs

1976
1. Ramirez
2. Orantes
3. Connors
4. Dibbs
5. Solomon
6. Vilas
7. Tanner
8. Fibak
9. Gottfried
10. Borg

1977
1. Vilas
2. Gottfried
3. Borg
4. Orantes
5. Dibbs
6. Tanner
7. Ramirez
8. Connors
9. Gerulaitus
10. Solomon

1978
1. Connors
2. Borg
3. Dibbs
4. Ramirez
5. Solomon
6. McEnroe
7. Vilas
8. Gottfried
9. Barazzutti
10. Ashe

1979
1. McEnroe
2. Borg
3. Connors
4. Vilas
5. Gerulaitus
6. Tanner
7. Higueras
8. Solomon
9. Dibbs
10. Pecci

1980
1. McEnroe
2. Lendl
3. Connors
4. Borg
5. G Mayer
6. Solomon
7. Vilas
8. Clerc
9. Teltscher
10. Teacher

1981
1. Lendl
2. McEnroe
3. Connors
4. Clerc
5. Vilas
6. Borg
7. Tanner
8. Teltscher
9. Gerulaitus
10. Noah

1982
1. Connors
2. Vilas
3. Lendl
4. McEnroe
5. Wilander
6. Gerulaitus
7. Higueras
8. Kriek
9. Gomez
10. Denton

1983
1. Wilander
2. Lendl
3. McEnroe
4. Connors
5. Noah
6. Arias
7. Higueras
8. Gomez
9. Clerc
10. Teltscher

1984
1. McEnroe
2. Connors
3. Lendl
4. Wilander
5. Gomez
6. Nystrom
7. Sundstrom
8. Teltscher
9. Jarryd
10. Smid

1985
1. Lendl
2. McEnroe
3. Wilander
4. Edberg
5. Becker
6. Connors
7. Noah
8. Jarryd
9. Kriek
10. Nystrom

1986
1. Lendl
2. Becker
3. Edberg
4. Nystrom
5. Noah
6. Wilander
7. Leconte
8. Gomez
9. Connors
10. Mecir

1987
1. Lendl
2. Edberg
3. Wilander
4. Mecir
5. Becker
6. Connors
7. Cash
8. Gilbert
9. Mayotte
10. Gomez

1988
1. Wilander
2. Becker
3. Edberg
4. Agassi
5. Lendl
6. Leconte
7. Connors
8. Mayotte
9. Hlasek
10. K Carlsson

1989 (last year)
1. Lendl
2. Becker
3. Edberg
4. Gilbert
5. McEnroe
6. Chang
7. Agassi
8. Krickstein
9. Mancini
10. Berger

llgc8080
04-07-2008, 05:02 AM
Great info Andrew!! Thank you a lot!!

llgc8080
04-07-2008, 08:18 AM
Double posted

Moose Malloy
04-07-2008, 05:10 PM
Andrew, thanks for your posts, I've been asking these questions here for years, its great to get the answers.

Do you know if those standings you listed were updated after the Grand Prix Masters, or are they just the top finishers before the event was played? Because I have the 1982 Masters final on tape, & the commentators mention the top 8 qualifiers, which correspond with what you posted for that year, but they don't update the standings after the event. I imagine Lendl would pass Vilas if they did, do you know if the Masters offered any Grand Prix points? Because I also have matches from the '89 Masters final on tape, & it appears as though they do update the standings after the event(Edberg got 850 pts for winning it)

regular WCT events counted towards the Grand prix from 1978-81.
Otherwise it was a separate circuit approved by the ATP, except in 1982.


I have several matches from the '89 Masters on tape, & they do a points breakdown for players that includes Grand Prix points earned at the Dallas WCT event in '89. Did Dallas give Grand Prix points in other years in the '80s?

llgc8080
04-08-2008, 10:01 AM
The Grand Prix Masters? Can you give more info about this please? Thank you.

Moose Malloy
04-08-2008, 10:10 AM
The Grand Prix Masters was the name of the Masters Cup from '70 to '89. The Grand Prix points(similar to race points today, I think) they earned throughout the year determined the field for the Masters. here is the event history:

http://www.masters-cup.com/3/history/masters.asp

llgc8080
04-08-2008, 10:11 AM
Thanks moose! I think was another tournament.

AndrewTas
04-08-2008, 03:50 PM
Andrew, thanks for your posts, I've been asking these questions here for years, its great to get the answers.

Do you know if those standings you listed were updated after the Grand Prix Masters, or are they just the top finishers before the event was played? Because I have the 1982 Masters final on tape, & the commentators mention the top 8 qualifiers, which correspond with what you posted for that year, but they don't update the standings after the event. I imagine Lendl would pass Vilas if they did, do you know if the Masters offered any Grand Prix points? Because I also have matches from the '89 Masters final on tape, & it appears as though they do update the standings after the event(Edberg got 850 pts for winning it)

I have several matches from the '89 Masters on tape, & they do a points breakdown for players that includes Grand Prix points earned at the Dallas WCT event in '89. Did Dallas give Grand Prix points in other years in the '80s?

Good questions. Firstly I dont know if the early Masters tournament did have points but I have to further look into that. I think that the points were added in the late-eighties.

WCT events after 1985 were included in the Grand Prix Calendar. In 1985 these were the WCT Finals in Dallas, the Tournament of Champions in Forest Hills and two WCT-run Super Series events in Atlanta and Houston. The WCT tour effectively ended in that year.

It is amazing how the first 20 years of open tennis really was a mess and the relative stability of the ATP Tour now is so different to the early 1970's.

Tennisfan!
04-10-2008, 09:11 AM
Who was second in 77? Borg or Gottfried? jeffrey says one, Andrew another.

AndrewTas
04-10-2008, 10:40 PM
Who was second in 77? Borg or Gottfried? jeffrey says one, Andrew another.

I have Gottfried second with 1548 points compared to Borg at third with 1210 points. Vilas was the leader with 2047 points, while Connors just scraped in with 722 points at No. 8 but then went on to defeat Borg in the Masters final that year.

llgc8080
04-11-2008, 05:14 AM
Thank you Andrew, like usually!

Tennisfan!
04-11-2008, 06:40 PM
I have Gottfried second with 1548 points compared to Borg at third with 1210 points. Vilas was the leader with 2047 points, while Connors just scraped in with 722 points at No. 8 but then went on to defeat Borg in the Masters final that year.

thanxs Andrew!

Q&M son
04-14-2008, 11:00 AM
Thanks for data, very interesting post.

Lucio.

llgc8080
04-15-2008, 11:30 AM
Doublen post

llgc8080
05-06-2008, 02:42 PM
My page in the news: www.laruesportif.com.fr/louisgalois
I hope the damn server works!

Q&M son
05-07-2008, 12:27 PM
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Q&M son
07-23-2008, 02:10 PM
Good questions. Firstly I dont know if the early Masters tournament did have points but I have to further look into that. I think that the points were added in the late-eighties.


Can you get the info about it Andrew?
Thanks.

kiki
01-07-2011, 12:28 PM
Andrew, thanks for your posts, I've been asking these questions here for years, its great to get the answers.

Do you know if those standings you listed were updated after the Grand Prix Masters, or are they just the top finishers before the event was played? Because I have the 1982 Masters final on tape, & the commentators mention the top 8 qualifiers, which correspond with what you posted for that year, but they don't update the standings after the event. I imagine Lendl would pass Vilas if they did, do you know if the Masters offered any Grand Prix points? Because I also have matches from the '89 Masters final on tape, & it appears as though they do update the standings after the event(Edberg got 850 pts for winning it)



I have several matches from the '89 Masters on tape, & they do a points breakdown for players that includes Grand Prix points earned at the Dallas WCT event in '89. Did Dallas give Grand Prix points in other years in the '80s?

After being parto of the GP from 1978 to 1981 ( before, there were 2 separate circuits), WCT´s boss Lamar Hunt decided to regain the " 2 different tours" formula, though WCT slided downwords with each passing day.By the mid 80´s, they only had 3-4 exclusive events and their much coveted Dallas Finals which in fact was not the end of a specific circuit like it had been in the 70´s and early 80´s.

Shahrastani
01-01-2012, 02:13 PM
Does anyone have the grand prix standings for each year with the number of points that each player earned for that particular year?

I was partcularly interested in 1980. I have the points of the top 50 for that year but was wondering if anyone has the points for those outside the top 50.

kiki
01-25-2012, 03:17 PM
Great lists, I specially like 1975 and 1977.1979/1981 are very good, too

NLBwell
01-29-2012, 09:12 PM
I had almost completely forgotten about Zeljko Franulovic, but he was a top player for a while. Seems he had an injury which hampered his career.

kiki
01-31-2012, 03:16 PM
I had almost completely forgotten about Zeljko Franulovic, but he was a top player for a while. Seems he had an injury which hampered his career.

Oh ZeljkoĦĦĦ I saw him live a few times.Great talent and great shotmaking abilities.He lost to Kodes but..who didn´t at that time? ( on clay)