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garfonkee
04-03-2008, 06:10 AM
I was playing today, and found that I'm pretty crap against high balls.. then I searched the forums.

Seems that there's a few strategies.. take them on early (on the rise), hit them high as it is (with a forehand/backhand form that's quite different), and move back..

What's the best strategy and why??

Rickson
04-03-2008, 06:25 AM
I was playing today, and found that I'm pretty crap against high balls.. then I searched the forums.

Seems that there's a few strategies.. take them on early (on the rise), hit them high as it is (with a forehand/backhand form that's quite different), and move back..

What's the best strategy and why??

It depends on where you're standing at the time. If the high ball comes at you well inside the baseline on the fh side, you could take a western grip and crush that baby with a slight downward trajectory. If you get a high ball and you're behind the baseline, you certainly don't want to aim with a downward trajectory, but a crushing forehand is still in order with a relatively straight through shot.

k_liu
04-03-2008, 06:35 AM
I personally like to take the ball on the rise and stay on the offense: short ball step in and crush it, deep ball play it safe and just hit the ball back deep. Don't let the ball get too high (shoulder height or higher) as you lose control and power.

5263
04-03-2008, 08:08 AM
Assuming they put it on you deep, for most players it is best to return a high soft ball in return, but he beauty is that you should be able to really pick an area of weakness where to put this moonball.

If the opp has a one hander bkhand, then taking them high to the bkhand can be a great play to get a weak reply that is your ticket to get right back on the attack with.

If they are master moonballers off both sides, then you still must be real patient, but even the masters of this will soon give you something where you can take it to them. Just don't rush that process, cause that is their weapon to get you rushing the action.

LuckyR
04-03-2008, 08:39 AM
I was playing today, and found that I'm pretty crap against high balls.. then I searched the forums.

Seems that there's a few strategies.. take them on early (on the rise), hit them high as it is (with a forehand/backhand form that's quite different), and move back..

What's the best strategy and why??


Can't answer without knowing your groundie grip. Eastern grip folks have different best options than Western grip people.

Rickson
04-03-2008, 08:52 AM
Can't answer without knowing your groundie grip. Eastern grip folks have different best options than Western grip people.

What? Eastern grip has more options than the western grip on high balls? You can not be serious!

split-step
04-03-2008, 08:56 AM
The way I read LuckyR's post was that each grip has it's own best set of options.

Djokovicfan4life
04-03-2008, 08:57 AM
What? Eastern grip has more options than the western grip on high balls? You can not be serious!

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!

He actually said DIFFERENT options, not more.

Rickson
04-03-2008, 09:00 AM
YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!

He actually said DIFFERENT options, not more.

He said different best which means "better" in my book and I'd have to strongly disagree. The eastern is good for low balls.

Djokovicfan4life
04-03-2008, 09:26 AM
He said different best which means "better" in my book and I'd have to strongly disagree. The eastern is good for low balls.
I suck royally with the Eastern grip. I'm OK with extreme eastern but with a full eastern everything hits the fence.

I have no idea how Sampras hit like that. :confused:

mordecai
04-03-2008, 11:21 AM
Unless you're forced to hit the shot defensively on the run, you definitely want to take a high ball on the rise. Locking your eyes on the ball through its bounce and a bit after contact are essential to timing on the rise shots, so you need to practice that.

If the ball comes to your forehand, then take it on the rise and attack your opponent's forehand wing. If the ball comes to the backhand, you can step in and attack either wing with a topspin drive or slice it deep crosscourt. You can even approach on that shot because slicing a ball from the rise can generate some nasty action that will give you an easy put away.

mordecai
04-03-2008, 11:22 AM
Also I forgot to mention that if you have time, a high looping shot to your backhand is a great one to run around to your forehand and really nail crosscourt.

hotseat
04-03-2008, 12:18 PM
on the rise, baby :)

LuckyR
04-03-2008, 12:32 PM
What? Eastern grip has more options than the western grip on high balls? You can not be serious!

Show me where I said "more options".

LuckyR
04-03-2008, 12:34 PM
He said different best which means "better" in my book and I'd have to strongly disagree. The eastern is good for low balls.

What I meant was: every grip has options that work best for that particular grip, let's call them "best" options. The ones for the Eastern grip are "different" than the ones for the Western grip, hence "different best" options.

JRstriker12
04-03-2008, 12:38 PM
If I get a high ball, I like to hit a high ball with a ton of top spin back at them.

It usually pushes the other guy back and if the other guy isn't ready, it may end up bouncing over thier heads.

Last night, my buddy hits a high looping defensive shot to me. I go from Semi-western to full western and rip it back high and with top spin. It bounces and he totally whiffed on the ball. He beat me in the three sets we played though.

Rickson
04-03-2008, 12:39 PM
What I meant was: every grip has options that work best for that particular grip, let's call them "best" options. The ones for the Eastern grip are "different" than the ones for the Western grip, hence "different best" options.

Does that mean you don't feel that the eastern is a superior grip for high balls over a western?

Nellie
04-04-2008, 08:27 AM
If you are Agassi, you take the ball on the rise and try to dictate the point. You could easily miss though.

If you are Gasquet or Nadal, you step back, and hit but a loopy high shot. This strategy is a little defensive, and on many public courts, you will run out of room

If you are old school, like Sampras, you can chip/block back that high loopy shot deep.

mucat
04-04-2008, 10:17 AM
Does that mean you don't feel that the eastern is a superior grip for high balls over a western?

Hey, hey, you can use western grip, not that there's anything wrong with that... :)

Doc Hollidae
04-04-2008, 10:39 AM
There is no superior method to returning high balls, it all depends on the situation and the type of player. Taking the ball early is a more offensive and aggresive play. Returning the ball back as a "looper", lob, moonball is a neutralizing or defensive shot.

Another option would include slicing the high ball back. However this option should only be used when you know your opponent isn't going to come to the net.

predrag
04-04-2008, 11:41 AM
Does that mean you don't feel that the eastern is a superior grip for high balls over a western?


Come on Rickson, read it again.

He said:

Can't answer without knowing your groundie grip. Eastern grip folks have different best options than Western grip people.

That means that what is good for Eastern grip player is not as good for Western grip player.


Regards, Predrag

LuckyR
04-04-2008, 12:51 PM
Does that mean you don't feel that the eastern is a superior grip for high balls over a western?

As usual: it depends. If someone hits you a high looping shot and you are going to stand there and take it high, I have had much better consistancy with a Western grip. Although I can stand there and hit down on the ball with an Eastern grip and the shot can be devastating, but it can also go long.

On the other hand, if I take off and hit it on the rise, I like my chances with my Eastern grip for a half volley or chip, whereas if I can get a swinging volley out of it, a Western grip again leads to better consistancy.

Of course if I retreat and take the shot way behind the baseline (not my usual tactic), I do not have a clear preference.

spiritdragon
04-04-2008, 01:41 PM
Depending on where the ball lands i eaither set up higher and rip the forehand, lob it back deep with a lot of spin, or slice it back.

Andres
04-04-2008, 02:13 PM
He said different best which means "better" in my book and I'd have to strongly disagree. The eastern is good for low balls.
Your book is wrong.
Different does not mean better by any chance.

Ditch that old book and buy a new one.

rosewall4ever
04-04-2008, 02:49 PM
As best as possible since a high ball coming at you with pace is effectively a neutralising shot by the OP. You rarely can get offenisive with a deep high ball yeah. Timing and patience is the key as you wait for a short high ball well inside the baseline. During this time your poaching your opportunities, probing and trying for angles. Primary tactic it is to get the best court advantage over your OP and when you see this you attack!!! Sick em Rex Ruuff :) lol

garfonkee
04-05-2008, 05:14 AM
Sorry for the late reply.. I actually have been using a western-ish grip and a relatively open stance. For the backhand, I also use a westernish grip.. one-handed.

As usual: it depends. If someone hits you a high looping shot and you are going to stand there and take it high, I have had much better consistancy with a Western grip. Although I can stand there and hit down on the ball with an Eastern grip and the shot can be devastating, but it can also go long.

So if I'm reading this right, western = consistency and topspin, and eastern = devastating, flat? I used to hit with eastern so I could alternate between the two grips I guess..

Rickson
04-05-2008, 05:58 AM
Your book is wrong.
Different does not mean better by any chance.

Ditch that old book and buy a new one.

"Different best" doesn't even make sense.

doogoshly
04-05-2008, 08:07 PM
"Different best" doesn't even make sense.

i don't think he properly punctuated his post to read: different "best" shots. i also don't think he was saying eastern is superior to western esp on high shots, just that what a "best" strategy for eastern isn't "best" for western.