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tcword
04-04-2008, 03:08 PM
Ladies and gentleman. If one believes that Federer I still the best player in the world then you need to dig in deep and ask yourself some questions. Rafael Nadal right now, is the best player in the world. He will gain the number one spot during the clay court season, and he will win Wimbledon. If anybody wants to add, I'm more than happy to listen.

Nadal_Freak
04-04-2008, 03:11 PM
I agree. Great thread. :)

KhaosBaseliner
04-04-2008, 03:12 PM
I hope so... i love nadal. He brings such heart into every match. It drives me to play better tennis. =)

daddy
04-04-2008, 03:17 PM
13 people won a tourney this year, none of them is named Nadal. Few of those won a couple of tourneys. In fact last time Nadal won a tournament was .. I dont remember really but I think there is at least like 7-8 months if not more.

I agree clay is coming and he is bound to make up for this but so far he is not the best player this year so far. ;)

stormholloway
04-04-2008, 03:18 PM
Djokovic has a slam and masters title under his belt this year. Let's not jump the gun.

And please, don't count Federer out. What does he have to do to prove himself?

bluescreen
04-04-2008, 03:28 PM
i think djokovic by far has been the #1 player this year. this is the first final nadal has been in this year and he, like federer, is title-less in 2008. i think its a bit farfetched to call this a nadal era.

thalivest
04-04-2008, 03:34 PM
And please, don't count Federer out. What does he have to do to prove himself?

Maybe start playing some half decent tennis again.

zagor
04-04-2008, 03:43 PM
Or maybe Novak's era? Or maybe Federer isn't done winning slams yet?Way too early to tell.So far this year Djokovic had the best results by far.

johnkidd
04-04-2008, 03:45 PM
i think djokovic by far has been the #1 player this year. this is the first final nadal has been in this year and he, like federer, is title-less in 2008. i think its a bit farfetched to call this a nadal era.

Based on the performances so far this year you would have to say Roddick is #2 if he wins this week.

nadalfan!
04-04-2008, 03:58 PM
Blue screen, what about Chennai? Nadal faced Yhouzny in the final.... So.... :D

bluescreen
04-04-2008, 04:23 PM
oh u're right. i forgot about that, and i think nadal did as well, lol.

Al Czervik
04-04-2008, 04:29 PM
Which is to say he is a one trick pony who will sit at number two for eternity. :wink:

Seriously, though, I know this sounds absurd, but I think the two Wimby finals appearances are an aberration. You can't just chalk him up as a winner there. It's a combo of lack of grass specialists right now, plus slower courts. Rafa's best chance ever there might have been last year, same way with Federer at Roland Garros the last two years. He is not a guaranteed finalist the next ten years. Rafa reminds me a lot of a faster Jim Courier. Dominating physicality for a couple of seasons, but might flame out a little after that. I hope not. The kid is great for the game, and I really would love to see him win the U.S.

Lionheart
04-04-2008, 04:30 PM
Seriously, how can Nadal gain the number 1 ranking during the clay season if he can gain almost no points? Only if Federer plays VERY bad and doesnt defend 1000 and something points (which is very unlikely) nadal can be number one.

Tennis_Monk
04-04-2008, 04:46 PM
Which is to say he is a one trick pony who will sit at number two for eternity. :wink:

Seriously, though, I know this sounds absurd, but I think the two Wimby finals appearances are an aberration. You can't just chalk him up as a winner there. It's a combo of lack of grass specialists right now, plus slower courts. Rafa's best chance ever there might have been last year, same way with Federer at Roland Garros the last two years. He is not a guaranteed finalist the next ten years. Rafa reminds me a lot of a faster Jim Courier. Dominating physicality for a couple of seasons, but might flame out a little after that. I hope not. The kid is great for the game, and I really would love to see him win the U.S.

It is NOT absurd and lets all agree on that. One wimbledon final could be an aberration but not two finals. They are not similar. Yes they both have 23 titles and made about 14 million but Jim courier is done and Nadal isnt. The competition they both faced is different and one cannot say Nadal has it easy.

PROTENNIS63
04-04-2008, 04:54 PM
Let's see: Fed has 12 slams, Nadal has 3 slams. Wow, you are absolutely correct, Nadal is superior to Fed!

saram
04-04-2008, 04:56 PM
Ladies and gentleman. If one believes that Federer I still the best player in the world then you need to dig in deep and ask yourself some questions. Rafael Nadal right now, is the best player in the world. He will gain the number one spot during the clay court season, and he will win Wimbledon. If anybody wants to add, I'm more than happy to listen.

tc, put down the crack pipe, ok? :)

daddy
04-04-2008, 05:05 PM
Which is to say he is a one trick pony who will sit at number two for eternity. :wink:

Seriously, though, I know this sounds absurd, but I think the two Wimby finals appearances are an aberration. You can't just chalk him up as a winner there. It's a combo of lack of grass specialists right now, plus slower courts. Rafa's best chance ever there might have been last year, same way with Federer at Roland Garros the last two years. He is not a guaranteed finalist the next ten years. Rafa reminds me a lot of a faster Jim Courier. Dominating physicality for a couple of seasons, but might flame out a little after that. I hope not. The kid is great for the game, and I really would love to see him win the U.S.

I am sure this will not be taken well but so what.

Mark my words, Djokovic can take him out on grass. He should really pray hard that Fed gets Joker in his side of the draw or if he gets to the semis, he will lose. Also few other guys can be a trouble for Nadal like Roddick or even Hewitt on grass. He just did not have to meet any great grass court players.

On the other hand he proved he can play by getting to two consecutive Wimby finals and seriously contesting one of them, so it is not hard to believe he can replicate this if in form and injury free.

daddy
04-04-2008, 05:07 PM
Seriously, how can Nadal gain the number 1 ranking during the clay season if he can gain almost no points? Only if Federer plays VERY bad and doesnt defend 1000 and something points (which is very unlikely) nadal can be number one.

Easily, focus on what you read and .. on atp race. We are talking about who is currently the best. He is 2nd in race and will extend this position and gain on Joker with this weeks performance.

Tennis_Monk
04-04-2008, 05:12 PM
I am sure this will not be taken well but so what.

Mark my words, Djokovic can take him out on grass. He should really pray hard that Fed gets Joker in his side of the draw or if he gets to the semis, he will lose. Also few other guys can be a trouble for Nadal like Roddick or even Hewitt on grass. He just did not have to meet any great grass court players.

On the other hand he proved he can play by getting to two consecutive Wimby finals and seriously contesting one of them, so it is not hard to believe he can replicate this if in form and injury free.

Djokovic can take just about anybody out. Nadal isnt worried about facing Djoker on Grass. IMO He is worried abt facing him on Hard courts not on other courts.

daddy
04-04-2008, 05:21 PM
Djokovic can take just about anybody out. Nadal isnt worried about facing Djoker on Grass. IMO He is worried abt facing him on Hard courts not on other courts.

I give the edge to Joker on HC and grass vs Nadal. He can take anyone out but still I think he would lose to Federer on grass most of the time and defeat Rafa most of the time. That is what I said, basically if they meet he will take him out.

Nadal does not have the edge on clay, he absolutely dominates it Borg style.

veroniquem
04-04-2008, 05:23 PM
13 people won a tourney this year, none of them is named Nadal. Few of those won a couple of tourneys. In fact last time Nadal won a tournament was .. I dont remember really but I think there is at least like 7-8 months if not more.

I agree clay is coming and he is bound to make up for this but so far he is not the best player this year so far. ;)
IMO, it's much more difficult to go far in major tournaments than to win minor ones. There's only one player who has won majors so far this year (not a bunch): Novak (1 slam and 1MS) and Rafa could well match that or do better in the near future. On the other hand Almagro has won a couple of minors in SA, does that make him the actual #2 or 3 in the world? Think not! (and what has he done in the majors so far? Same goes for Murray in 2008.)

Nadal_Freak
04-04-2008, 05:24 PM
Let's see: Fed has 12 slams, Nadal has 3 slams. Wow, you are absolutely correct, Nadal is superior to Fed!
Stop living in the past. The present is what matter and Nadal has had better results this year so far and it will most likely continue in the clay season.

veroniquem
04-04-2008, 05:28 PM
Seriously, how can Nadal gain the number 1 ranking during the clay season if he can gain almost no points? Only if Federer plays VERY bad and doesnt defend 1000 and something points (which is very unlikely) nadal can be number one.
How can Fed playing bad (relatively) unlikely when it's already happening right now?

veroniquem
04-04-2008, 05:32 PM
Let's see: Fed has 12 slams, Nadal has 3 slams. Wow, you are absolutely correct, Nadal is superior to Fed!
Yep and Nadal is 21, Fed is 26, you really think Nadal is not gonna win anything in the next 5 years? Lol

orangettecoleman
04-04-2008, 05:36 PM
on clay you are right. on any other surface he is one of many contenders to win, but i wouldn't put him above fed, roddick, or djokovic on hard courts or grass. his tournament results bear this out. also he is going to be trying to defend all his points through the clay court season so even if his knees don't give out on him his ranking will probably drop unless he can mantain total dominance on clay. realistically the next few years will probably see fed, nadal, djokovic and possibly roddick dividing up the majors between them. murray, nalbandian might get a couple too, maybe gasquet might get one.

Zaragoza
04-04-2008, 05:41 PM
i think djokovic by far has been the #1 player this year. this is the first final nadal has been in this year and he, like federer, is title-less in 2008. i think its a bit farfetched to call this a nadal era.

He made the final in his first tournament of the year. Anyway he made the SF in the AO and IW and (at least) the final in Miami, the only 3 big tournaments played this year, all of them on his worst surface. He is the 2nd best player this year so far and he has played only on his worst surface.

Tennis_Monk
04-04-2008, 05:42 PM
on clay you are right. on any other surface he is one of many contenders to win, but i wouldn't put him above fed, roddick, or djokovic on hard courts or grass. his tournament results bear this out. also he is going to be trying to defend all his points through the clay court season so even if his knees don't give out on him his ranking will probably drop unless he can mantain total dominance on clay. realistically the next few years will probably see fed, nadal, djokovic and possibly roddick dividing up the majors between them. murray, nalbandian might get a couple too, maybe gasquet might get one.

Yea right. Nadal record at Hardcourts this year is no less stellar than Roddicks but you still think Roddick is better.

Nadal made two wimby finals and Roddick ???.

Isnt it time you put "Him" above Roddick.

Nadal_Freak
04-04-2008, 05:45 PM
Yea right. Nadal record at Hardcourts this year is no less stellar than Roddicks but you still think Roddick is better.

Nadal made two wimby finals and Roddick ???.

Isnt it time you put "Him" above Roddick.
Yeah I definitely would. Dubai was the exception but those were on lightning fast hardcourts. Nadal got further in the Aussie Open, Indian Wells, and now Miami. Nadal>Roddick on most hardcourts.

daddy
04-04-2008, 05:46 PM
Yea right. Nadal record at Hardcourts this year is no less stellar than Roddicks but you still think Roddick is better.

Nadal made two wimby finals and Roddick ???.

Isnt it time you put "Him" above Roddick.

Roddick made two Wimby finals also and has great record this year ? He is a HC slam winner also .. ;) Just giving a different perspective, Nadal is better imo but on grass or hc I can not bet Nadal is going to win. With Roddick and his on and off moods you never know what is going to happen but you surely know he is capable of beating just about everyone on tour, as he is capable of losing from just about anyone.

Zaragoza
04-04-2008, 05:46 PM
Mark my words, Djokovic can take him out on grass. He should really pray hard that Fed gets Joker in his side of the draw or if he gets to the semis, he will lose. Also few other guys can be a trouble for Nadal like Roddick or even Hewitt on grass.

Djokovic should pray that Kiefer,Hewitt and Baghdatis are not in his side of the draw or he will be forced to retire if he reaches the SF ;-)

crazylevity
04-04-2008, 05:47 PM
We are witnessing a fanboy era.

tacou
04-04-2008, 05:50 PM
hah it IS a fan boy era. but honestly, Nadal is playing the most consistent tennis this year of any top player and both he and Djoko are playing better than Fed. I don't see how Nadal can gain #1 in the clay season... but that would be exciting.

daddy
04-04-2008, 05:51 PM
Djokovic should pray that Kiefer,Hewitt and Baghdatis are not in his side of the draw or he will be forced to retire if he reaches the SF ;-)

Zaragoza my friend - those are 3 guys which are not easy to beat especially not on grass, Hewitt is a former winner, Kiefer has a great serve, Baghdat is a very capable all rounder on grass. Do not make me remind you that all these are slam semifinalists of finalists or winners. It is hard enough to get those 3 in your part of the draw, but to dismiss them all is even harder.

Do not make me remind you about other things. Like Kendrick who was on route to show nadal his way to Mallorca after the 2nd round in Wimby.

orangettecoleman
04-04-2008, 05:52 PM
We are witnessing a fanboy era.
indeed. thomas muster is one of my favorite players but i'm not going to go around insisting that he was a better hard court player than agassi.

Tennis_Monk
04-04-2008, 06:02 PM
Roddick made two Wimby finals also and has great record this year ? He is a HC slam winner also .. ;) Just giving a different perspective, Nadal is better imo but on grass or hc I can not bet Nadal is going to win. With Roddick and his on and off moods you never know what is going to happen but you surely know he is capable of beating just about everyone on tour, as he is capable of losing from just about anyone.

Their head to head record is 2-2 and on hard courts 2 (roddick)-1 . Not exactly a stellar record.

You can say Roddick is a high wire act and can lose or win on any given day. My opinion is Roddick always struggled against quality opposition .Yesterday's victory against federer though spectacular and satisfying doesnt exactly make him an instant favorite. it sure does make him an emotional fav.

It is hard to do 75% first serves all night.

daddy
04-04-2008, 06:04 PM
Their head to head record is 2-2 and on hard courts 2 (roddick)-1 . Not exactly a stellar record.

You can say Roddick is a high wire act and can lose or win on any given day. My opinion is Roddick always struggled against quality opposition .Yesterday's victory against federer though spectacular and satisfying doesnt exactly make him an instant favorite. it sure does make him an emotional fav.

It is hard to do 75% first serves all night.

He was 76% tonight. ;) I know it does not mean anything but he is winning against good players if his serve is clicking ( usually ) - and he did take out all 3 top players this year. He can play against quality oponents, have no doubt about that. He can win any match - have no doubt about that either. He is a mentalcase ... have no .. you know. :?

Mad iX
04-05-2008, 03:14 AM
Nadal is the one guy who can't gain any points during the clay season. Not to mention of all the people to have beaten Federer this year, Nadal isn't on that list?
I enjoy watching Nadal, but I'm no blind fanboy.

Lionheart
04-05-2008, 03:14 AM
How can Fed playing bad (relatively) unlikely when it's already happening right now?

Two semis and a quarter final,those results are not bad for anyone except Roger Federer nowadays... if those were his results in the clay court season Nadal could become the number 1 if defended all his points, but he would have a very small lead..Nadal is the best on clay but donīt take for granted that he will win everything again, many things can happen..just look at Roger at the moment..

Oh and who cares about the race, players are remembered as number 1 in the entry ranking, not on the race, last year Nadal was number 1 in the race until Wimbledon and nobody made a fuss about it

drive
04-05-2008, 04:01 AM
Obviously this year Djokovic has been the best player, he has won AO and IW, but from now on Nadal has the chance to win Miami, Montecarlo, Rome, Hamburg, and Roland Garros. If he do this, he will be the best player of the year by far.. and about Djokovic beating him on grass, I wouldn't be that sure...

Grimjack
04-05-2008, 04:10 AM
It's the same damn #### every year, and every year I mock you dimwits for it.

The calendar changes, and it's a new year.

The Nadal groupies claim that this is finally Nadal's year at the Aussie, where he invariably gets pounded, because it's a hardcourt slam.

But then the ***-slow spring hardcourt events roll around and Nadal looks good again. Then, we have to hear it. "See! Nadal IS the new hardcourt force on tour!" As if we haven't seen this same #### for five years. He does well this time of year because these courts play like clay. Every---damn---year.

Then, the clay season rolls around and it's, "He wins EVERYTHING! He looked great on the hardcourts in the spring, and he's UNBEATABLE on clay! He'll win Wimbledon and the USO 4 SURE!!!!!1111"

Then, I have to come out, remind you we see the same ####, year after year, and that he still gets his *** handed to him all year long starting in June.

Then, he fails to win another tournament, and all that Nadallies wonder what happened.

I've never seen a bigger lot of dumb####s in my life.

Even a mentally handicapped child figures out that fire burns after only a few touches.

albino smurf
04-05-2008, 05:14 AM
Is Djokovic going to have to choke a....

Thor
04-05-2008, 06:33 AM
It's the same damn #### every year, and every year I mock you dimwits for it.

The calendar changes, and it's a new year.

The Nadal groupies claim that this is finally Nadal's year at the Aussie, where he invariably gets pounded, because it's a hardcourt slam.

But then the ***-slow spring hardcourt events roll around and Nadal looks good again. Then, we have to hear it. "See! Nadal IS the new hardcourt force on tour!" As if we haven't seen this same #### for five years. He does well this time of year because these courts play like clay. Every---damn---year.

Then, the clay season rolls around and it's, "He wins EVERYTHING! He looked great on the hardcourts in the spring, and he's UNBEATABLE on clay! He'll win Wimbledon and the USO 4 SURE!!!!!1111"

Then, I have to come out, remind you we see the same ####, year after year, and that he still gets his *** handed to him all year long starting in June.

Then, he fails to win another tournament, and all that Nadallies wonder what happened.

I've never seen a bigger lot of dumb####s in my life.

Even a mentally handicapped child figures out that fire burns after only a few touches.

Well i agree about those predictions of previous years,it was too premature to judge anything and there were no real indications for any change in #1.
But if you take into fact that this is Nadal best start of the year in his career, and add THE MOST IMPORTANT thing - Fed's worst start of year since at least 2004(Has not won any tournament this year),this is oh so close.
If Nadal gets there it'll have a lot to do with the decline of Fed.He is currently 670 points behind,and if he wins he is 520 behind.
Sure,Nadal has plenty to defend, but there is nothing that leads me to believe he will not win those clay titles for thr 4th consecutive year.
Federer on the other hand is a mystery,and contrast to what you think if he doesnt shift gears he'll lose plenty of points during clay season.

random guy
04-05-2008, 06:50 AM
Era = This week. The concept of time in this forum is weirder that in the island of Lost.

mrDamien
04-05-2008, 06:55 AM
I totally enjoy watching Nadal games. He such a passion, strong and hard working man on court. He deserve to be No 1.

deme08
04-06-2008, 11:18 AM
No. I don't think so! Yes he beat Berdych and Blake, two great chokers on the tour. But there are plenty of other players that own him on HC and grass ie Federer, Djokovic, Roddick, Nalbandian and now even Davydenko.

Some else did the hard work for him by taking out Djokovic and Federer, and yet he still failed to win the title. Nadal will always just be an one trick pony. There will be no such thing as "a Nadal era". Dream on Nadal fans.

obnoxious2
04-06-2008, 11:46 AM
I don't think so after watching him get destroyed by Davydekno today. He pretty much gave up during that 2nd set.

8PAQ
04-06-2008, 12:15 PM
Yes we are indeed witnessing a Nadal era. A Nadal era of not winning any titles.

His last title was in Stuttgart last July, on clay of course. His last non clay title was over a year a go at IW.

Tennis_Monk
04-06-2008, 12:20 PM
No. I don't think so! Yes he beat Berdych and Blake, two great chokers on the tour. But there are plenty of other players that own him on HC and grass ie Federer, Djokovic, Roddick, Nalbandian and now even Davydenko.

Some else did the hard work for him by taking out Djokovic and Federer, and yet he still failed to win the title. Nadal will always just be an one trick pony. There will be no such thing as "a Nadal era". Dream on Nadal fans.

Thank you so much for allowing Nadal fans to dream...

Btw how many times have you played tennis and how many times have you lost?...Never?

Cup8489
04-06-2008, 12:35 PM
No. I don't think so! Yes he beat Berdych and Blake, two great chokers on the tour. But there are plenty of other players that own him on HC and grass ie Federer, Djokovic, Roddick, Nalbandian and now even Davydenko.

Some else did the hard work for him by taking out Djokovic and Federer, and yet he still failed to win the title. Nadal will always just be an one trick pony. There will be no such thing as "a Nadal era". Dream on Nadal fans.

you seem to be implying that Davydenko is a push over...

how wrong you are..

my personal opinion is that while i enjoy watching Nadal play, i don't think he's gonna get to number 1 this year, since it appears that much of the top 20 are picking their games up considerably.

however, nadal has only been in the limelight for 3 years since the RG win in '05, so to say that this has happened over and over for 5 years is an exaggeration. but we'll just have to wait and see.

because you never DO know, do you?

robin7
04-06-2008, 12:54 PM
Don't forget that Rafael has a lot of points to defend during the clay court season.

Novak is the best player at this season so far.

robin7
04-06-2008, 12:57 PM
Some else did the hard work for him by taking out Djokovic and Federer, and yet he still failed to win the title. Nadal will always just be an one trick pony. There will be no such thing as "a Nadal era". Dream on Nadal fans.
LOL... Yeah, I like this!

Vincescourt
04-06-2008, 01:04 PM
Ladies and gentleman. If one believes that Federer I still the best player in the world then you need to dig in deep and ask yourself some questions. Rafael Nadal right now, is the best player in the world. He will gain the number one spot during the clay court season, and he will win Wimbledon. If anybody wants to add, I'm more than happy to listen.

How can someone be considered the best player in the world when he cant win a tournament after the French Open. He's a great player but he struggles after the French, the best that can be said is that he has lost in the Wimbledon final the last two years, after that early losses in the hard court season.

daddy
04-06-2008, 01:07 PM
13 people won a tourney this year, none of them is named Nadal. Few of those won a couple of tourneys. In fact last time Nadal won a tournament was .. I dont remember really but I think there is at least like 7-8 months if not more.

I agree clay is coming and he is bound to make up for this but so far he is not the best player this year so far. ;)

I would like to correct my mistake. 14 people won a torurney this year and noneof them is Nadal. As for those who replied to this with - well it is important to reach semis and finals like in IW, MI and AO - you have a point, it is IMPORTANT but not nearly most important.

If you say - we are witnessing someones era - that player usually won many tournaments lately, he has won none. This disqualifies him. Even if he was the best this year which he is not - to say this is his era he must dominate. This is clearly not the case/ I looove quoting myself, means I was wright.

Vincescourt
04-06-2008, 01:07 PM
I totally enjoy watching Nadal games. He such a passion, strong and hard working man on court. He deserve to be No 1.

No one deserves to be number 1, it has to be earned by being consistant all year long.

ShcMad
04-06-2008, 01:31 PM
Ladies and gentleman. If one believes that Federer I still the best player in the world then you need to dig in deep and ask yourself some questions. Rafael Nadal right now, is the best player in the world. He will gain the number one spot during the clay court season, and he will win Wimbledon. If anybody wants to add, I'm more than happy to listen.

Too bad the "BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD" just lost to Davydenko pretty embarrassingly.

spiritdragon
04-06-2008, 02:06 PM
i feel that nadal hasn't been playing as well as he used to ever since his knee injury last year. in the davydenko match, his strokes were not deep which allowed davdenko to really control the points.

Vision84
04-06-2008, 02:08 PM
Ladies and gentleman. If one believes that Federer I still the best player in the world then you need to dig in deep and ask yourself some questions. Rafael Nadal right now, is the best player in the world. He will gain the number one spot during the clay court season, and he will win Wimbledon. If anybody wants to add, I'm more than happy to listen.

Sorry but Nadal has so many points to defend during the clay court season. He is more likely to go down in points than go up. He does have a shot at Wimbledon but I still believe he will never win it.

127mph
04-06-2008, 02:37 PM
Well i mean in a way we are seeing somewhat of a decline in nadal was well as federer. I mean it wasnt until last year that he had only lost like 2 or 3 finals ever, and now, while he is still getting deep into hardcourt tournaments like never before, he is loosing in crucial stages of the tournaments. like chennai, AO, IW and now Miami.

It used to be that nadal would clean up after federer. If federer lost early or didnt play an event nadal would win. like Montreal 05, Madrid 05, or IW 07. but now he isnt closing the door at these tournaments, and has been beaten bad in some finals. Paris 07, Chennai 08, Miami 08. to guys who are not federer or djokovic.

vndesu
04-06-2008, 02:41 PM
Ladies and gentleman. If one believes that Federer I still the best player in the world then you need to dig in deep and ask yourself some questions. Rafael Nadal right now, is the best player in the world. He will gain the number one spot during the clay court season, and he will win Wimbledon. If anybody wants to add, I'm more than happy to listen.

woo mayb you should face the fact that nadal wil lnever be #1

I agree. Great thread. :)

once again. from a nadal freak xD

if nadal was truly gonna be #1 he wouldve won the tournaments
and wouldnt make an excuse like this

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/showsports.aspx?id=SPOEN20080046000&ch=4/5/2008%205:28:00%20PM

weeeeeeee.

Nadal_Freak
04-06-2008, 02:43 PM
woo mayb you should face the fact that nadal wil lnever be #1



once again. from a nadal freak xD

if nadal was truly gonna be #1 he wouldve won the tournaments
and wouldnt make an excuse like this

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/showsports.aspx?id=SPOEN20080046000&ch=4/5/2008%205:28:00%20PM

weeeeeeee.
Nadal is most upset about them counting down the rest time he would normally have during the Clay Season. I'm ****ed about it to.

vndesu
04-06-2008, 02:47 PM
Nadal is most upset about them counting down the rest time he would normally have during the Clay Season. I'm ****ed about it to.

i mean i kinda think nadal is annoying but still he is good.
its just that seeing him or fed not winning finals or losing b4 dissapoints me :[
we'll just have to wait adn see what happens

miniRafa386
04-06-2008, 02:56 PM
my prediction: nadal takes over #1 at the TMC. rafa goes undefeated clay season, while fed loses in the semis or worse in all but the french, where he gets annihilated (sp?) by time he reaches the semis. nadal will lose in the semis at queens club or halle, and federer wins the one he enters. nadal beats federer in 4 at wimbly, thus ending feds winning streak, like what he did to rafa last year in a crappy final in hamburg (btw, nadal gets a few more points for winning that), rafa wins stuttgart again, and reaches the semis or better at both montreal and cinci, but fed loses 2nd rd at montreal and in the quarters in cinci. at the olympics, i dont care what happens, no atp points gained. at the US open, nadal reaches the finals and plays nalbandian, winning it 7-6 (4) in the fifth. nadal roars on and wins all the tournies (which is like 1 or 2) he enters before madrid, also where he takes the title home after beating David ferrer in straights. in paris, he soars past the quarters, while fed does the same, but loses convincingly to gasquet. in the TMC, fed plays rafa for the #1 spot. nadal wins in 5, 6-1 in the fifth after fed gives up like he did at wimbly, except nadal learned from his mistakes by taking advantage of break point oppotunities.

thats my call

vndesu
04-06-2008, 03:24 PM
my prediction: nadal takes over #1 at the TMC. rafa goes undefeated clay season, while fed loses in the semis or worse in all but the french, where he gets annihilated (sp?) by time he reaches the semis. nadal will lose in the semis at queens club or halle, and federer wins the one he enters. nadal beats federer in 4 at wimbly, thus ending feds winning streak, like what he did to rafa last year in a crappy final in hamburg (btw, nadal gets a few more points for winning that), rafa wins stuttgart again, and reaches the semis or better at both montreal and cinci, but fed loses 2nd rd at montreal and in the quarters in cinci. at the olympics, i dont care what happens, no atp points gained. at the US open, nadal reaches the finals and plays nalbandian, winning it 7-6 (4) in the fifth. nadal roars on and wins all the tournies (which is like 1 or 2) he enters before madrid, also where he takes the title home after beating David ferrer in straights. in paris, he soars past the quarters, while fed does the same, but loses convincingly to gasquet. in the TMC, fed plays rafa for the #1 spot. nadal wins in 5, 6-1 in the fifth after fed gives up like he did at wimbly, except nadal learned from his mistakes by taking advantage of break point oppotunities.

thats my call


once again
another rafa fanatic

Marius_Hancu
04-06-2008, 03:33 PM
Nadal was plainly humiliated by Davydenko today. He wasn't able even to SEE some of the balls whizzing past him. He's not what he was 3 years ago with Fed in that great final.

After his match with Blake, in which he moved great towards the end, I thought he would win the tournament irrespective of the opposition (including Fed).

Today's match wasn't a good sign for him. Neither was his first set against Berdych which he finally won by doing his old unsportsman-like trick, raising the hand to stall the server on a crucial point. Berdych obliged like a fool and double faulted.

He has been more defensive in the last two matches than I've seen him in long time, using the backhand slice to compensate for poor footwork which placed him on his heels.

We'll see.

TNT16
04-06-2008, 05:36 PM
my prediction: nadal takes over #1 at the TMC. rafa goes undefeated clay season, while fed loses in the semis or worse in all but the french, where he gets annihilated (sp?) by time he reaches the semis. nadal will lose in the semis at queens club or halle, and federer wins the one he enters. nadal beats federer in 4 at wimbly, thus ending feds winning streak, like what he did to rafa last year in a crappy final in hamburg (btw, nadal gets a few more points for winning that), rafa wins stuttgart again, and reaches the semis or better at both montreal and cinci, but fed loses 2nd rd at montreal and in the quarters in cinci. at the olympics, i dont care what happens, no atp points gained. at the US open, nadal reaches the finals and plays nalbandian, winning it 7-6 (4) in the fifth. nadal roars on and wins all the tournies (which is like 1 or 2) he enters before madrid, also where he takes the title home after beating David ferrer in straights. in paris, he soars past the quarters, while fed does the same, but loses convincingly to gasquet. in the TMC, fed plays rafa for the #1 spot. nadal wins in 5, 6-1 in the fifth after fed gives up like he did at wimbly, except nadal learned from his mistakes by taking advantage of break point oppotunities.

thats my call

I hope you are placing big money bets on all of these predictions LOL!!!

vndesu
04-06-2008, 05:38 PM
I hope you are placing big money bets on all of these predictions LOL!!!

they probably aint.
i wouldnt either haha


nadal era will never come unless federer quits tennis xD

hoodjem
04-06-2008, 05:39 PM
Not Nadal, Davydenko.

Djokovic, Roddick.

Parity

93sq.
04-06-2008, 11:39 PM
I can't realized how Rafa could get the n 1 spot in the clay season...in which he has only to loose...

daddy
04-07-2008, 02:45 AM
my prediction: nadal takes over #1 at the TMC. rafa goes undefeated clay season, while fed loses in the semis or worse in all but the french, where he gets annihilated (sp?) by time he reaches the semis. nadal will lose in the semis at queens club or halle, and federer wins the one he enters. nadal beats federer in 4 at wimbly, thus ending feds winning streak, like what he did to rafa last year in a crappy final in hamburg (btw, nadal gets a few more points for winning that), rafa wins stuttgart again, and reaches the semis or better at both montreal and cinci, but fed loses 2nd rd at montreal and in the quarters in cinci. at the olympics, i dont care what happens, no atp points gained. at the US open, nadal reaches the finals and plays nalbandian, winning it 7-6 (4) in the fifth. nadal roars on and wins all the tournies (which is like 1 or 2) he enters before madrid, also where he takes the title home after beating David ferrer in straights. in paris, he soars past the quarters, while fed does the same, but loses convincingly to gasquet. in the TMC, fed plays rafa for the #1 spot. nadal wins in 5, 6-1 in the fifth after fed gives up like he did at wimbly, except nadal learned from his mistakes by taking advantage of break point oppotunities.

thats my call

Dont you think there is more to tennis than these two players only ?

deme08
04-07-2008, 06:01 AM
Nadal was plainly humiliated by Davydenko today. He wasn't able even to SEE some of the balls whizzing past him. He's not what he was 3 years ago with Fed in that great final.

After his match with Blake, in which he moved great towards the end, I thought he would win the tournament irrespective of the opposition (including Fed).

Today's match wasn't a good sign for him. Neither was his first set against Berdych which he finally won by doing his old unsportsman-like trick, raising the hand to stall the server on a crucial point. Berdych obliged like a fool and double faulted.

He has been more defensive in the last two matches than I've seen him in long time, using the backhand slice to compensate for poor footwork which placed him on his heels.

We'll see.

Very well said.

deme08
04-07-2008, 06:06 AM
Well i mean in a way we are seeing somewhat of a decline in nadal was well as federer. I mean it wasnt until last year that he had only lost like 2 or 3 finals ever, and now, while he is still getting deep into hardcourt tournaments like never before, he is loosing in crucial stages of the tournaments. like chennai, AO, IW and now Miami.

It used to be that nadal would clean up after federer. If federer lost early or didnt play an event nadal would win. like Montreal 05, Madrid 05, or IW 07. but now he isnt closing the door at these tournaments, and has been beaten bad in some finals. Paris 07, Chennai 08, Miami 08. to guys who are not federer or djokovic.

Agreed. We're beginning to see this pattern that both Nadal and Federer in a slump while others starting to pick up the pace (Djokovic, Davydenko and even Roddick and Nalbandian).

93sq.
04-07-2008, 06:14 AM
my prediction: nadal takes over #1 at the TMC. rafa goes undefeated clay season, while fed loses in the semis or worse in all but the french, where he gets annihilated (sp?) by time he reaches the semis. nadal will lose in the semis at queens club or halle, and federer wins the one he enters. nadal beats federer in 4 at wimbly, thus ending feds winning streak, like what he did to rafa last year in a crappy final in hamburg (btw, nadal gets a few more points for winning that), rafa wins stuttgart again, and reaches the semis or better at both montreal and cinci, but fed loses 2nd rd at montreal and in the quarters in cinci. at the olympics, i dont care what happens, no atp points gained. at the US open, nadal reaches the finals and plays nalbandian, winning it 7-6 (4) in the fifth. nadal roars on and wins all the tournies (which is like 1 or 2) he enters before madrid, also where he takes the title home after beating David ferrer in straights. in paris, he soars past the quarters, while fed does the same, but loses convincingly to gasquet. in the TMC, fed plays rafa for the #1 spot. nadal wins in 5, 6-1 in the fifth after fed gives up like he did at wimbly, except nadal learned from his mistakes by taking advantage of break point oppotunities.

thats my call
Oh wow...i've missed it!

I want to know which drugs you take and who you buy them from...

rafan
04-07-2008, 06:21 AM
I have honestly stopped taking Nadal's performance on HC seriously for some time now and all I want is to see him injury free for the clay and grass which I think it is where he belongs and look forward to seeing him

fishuuuuu
04-07-2008, 06:33 AM
It is NOT absurd and lets all agree on that. One wimbledon final could be an aberration but not two finals. They are not similar. Yes they both have 23 titles and made about 14 million but Jim courier is done and Nadal isnt. The competition they both faced is different and one cannot say Nadal has it easy.

You would think so, but its frequently thought that Federer has had it easy. And Federer has won every meeting between the two at W finals.

TheTruth
04-07-2008, 12:25 PM
With a little help from the Wimby officials. That was and is still a travesty!

obow
04-07-2008, 02:37 PM
Nadal needs to stay injury free, otherwise we may not see him in the last four at the French Open this year.

Nadal's style of play makes him prone to injuries, even if he reaches the No. 1, it will be hard for him to stay at the top spot for any long period of time.

Jimmyk459
04-07-2008, 02:47 PM
I don't think that very many people understand how the rankings in Tennis work. Nadal has almost NO points to GAIN in the clay season because he won everything except hamburg. If he plays PERFECTLY, then he can only pick up 150 more points....The only way that he can take the #1 spot from Federer is if Federer does not DEFEND all of his points that he got in 2007...

Cup8489
04-07-2008, 02:50 PM
i think nadal needs to switch to a 93 in wilson frame, change his game to all court aggressive playing style

then he will win 298973 grand slams.

jk :)

flyer
04-07-2008, 03:11 PM
I can't realized how Rafa could get the n 1 spot in the clay season...in which he has only to loose...

I'll tell you....Nadal does exactly what he did last year, and so does Federer until the French Open in which Nadal wins and Federer loses early....just like that Nadal is number one, thats all it takes and that is completely conceivable...only imagine in Federer didn't defend his clay points which he very well may not...

Stchamps
04-07-2008, 03:29 PM
I'll tell you....Nadal does exactly what he did last year, and so does Federer until the French Open in which Nadal wins and Federer loses early....just like that Nadal is number one, thats all it takes and that is completely conceivable...only imagine in Federer didn't defend his clay points which he very well may not...

What happens when Nadal has one bad match like he did against Davydenko

flyer
04-07-2008, 03:49 PM
What happens when Nadal has one bad match like he did against Davydenko

Well its clay my friend, he will still win, he had a bad match against Davydenko last year on clay and he won, you are comparing Nadals best surface with his worst, your smarter than that....

BlUe 182 BanAna
04-07-2008, 04:10 PM
don't think we are, just a bad time for him. also why is everyone thinking that. 1 bad tournament and everyone thinks that he's lost it.

flyer
04-07-2008, 05:22 PM
don't think we are, just a bad time for him. also why is everyone thinking that. 1 bad tournament and everyone thinks that he's lost it.

who are you talking about? Federer, because if you are its certainly more than one bad tourny

mrDamien
04-07-2008, 05:45 PM
No one deserves to be number 1, it has to be earned by being consistant all year long.

Even we had witnessing the lost of Nadal at Miami but his games too consistent to beat by some others player. Without a doubt by year end either he stay No 2 or go up 1 level to be number 1.

TheTruth
04-07-2008, 06:14 PM
What happens when Nadal has one bad match like he did against Davydenko

If either one of them missteps, the spoils will go to the last man standing. Nadal isn't the only one with a lot to lose, so does Federer, and Djokovic is breathing down both their necks!

GOD_BLESS_RAFA
04-08-2008, 01:12 AM
I see it in a simpler way when the clay season starts you enter Nadal era ...lol ...
my hope he keeps this hard court level (semis or finalist or at least, quarters) after grass season...that will make him a solid number two until the right time comes to push him to number one spot

ninman
04-08-2008, 01:40 AM
Today's match wasn't a good sign for him. Neither was his first set against Berdych which he finally won by doing his old unsportsman-like trick, raising the hand to stall the server on a crucial point. Berdych obliged like a fool and double faulted.


Thing I can't understand is why Berdych did that? If it was me I would be furious and just smash one straight at him for it. Then after the match I'd refuse to shake his hand and just blatantly call him a cheater, even in the press conference. I'm sure it would **** him off like crazy but he deserves it.

93sq.
04-08-2008, 02:17 AM
I'll tell you....Nadal does exactly what he did last year, and so does Federer until the French Open in which Nadal wins and Federer loses early....just like that Nadal is number one, thats all it takes and that is completely conceivable...only imagine in Federer didn't defend his clay points which he very well may not...

This could be realistic...

But what if Rafa will not reach the same results he reached last season!?

I mean...he will have a lot of pressure...

93sq.
04-08-2008, 02:18 AM
Thing I can't understand is why Berdych did that? If it was me I would be furious and just smash one straight at him for it. Then after the match I'd refuse to shake his hand and just blatantly call him a cheater, even in the press conference. I'm sure it would **** him off like crazy but he deserves it.
IMHO that's only a berdych problem...

ninman
04-08-2008, 02:23 AM
IMHO that's only a berdych problem...

IMO umpires need to start enforcing the rules instead of letting players get away with that type of crap.

tcword
04-08-2008, 04:41 AM
everybody keeps saying that djokovic is the best player in the world. I don't agree with that. He is too inconsistent to be called the best in the world. Yea he has beaten Roger and Rafa this year, but he doesn't respond well after he loses a tournament. He usually has an early round exit because of his fitness. Djokovic is not the best.

Buchhalter
04-08-2008, 05:42 AM
Wipe the stain off your pants. There is no promise of the future, in tennis or anything else. Nadal could lose first round at the French, or break his foot again, or retire because he cuts his bangs to short. My point is wait and see.

As for tournaments, Nadal is in a dry spell, as is Fed. But Nadal's is way longer.

As a protest, Nadal fans should stop picking their bums every time Rafa wins a point until he wins another tournament.

I actually like the guy and this post is meant as a joke.

ksbh
04-08-2008, 06:25 AM
I didn't know that getting to the semis and finals of tournaments and not winning any of them constitues "witnessing a Nadal era".

But well, whatever floats your boat! :)

Ladies and gentleman. If one believes that Federer I still the best player in the world then you need to dig in deep and ask yourself some questions. Rafael Nadal right now, is the best player in the world. He will gain the number one spot during the clay court season, and he will win Wimbledon. If anybody wants to add, I'm more than happy to listen.

tcword
04-08-2008, 09:12 AM
I didn't know that getting to the semis and finals of tournaments and not winning any of them constitues "witnessing a Nadal era".

But well, whatever floats your boat! :)

Nobody has been that consistent all year. Not even Roger. Roddick and chokeivic. Have both had early round exits during the year, but Rafa hasn't. Right now is the wrong time to be talkin smack about Rafa because the clay court season is right around the corner.

Benhur
04-08-2008, 11:36 AM
Thing I can't understand is why Berdych did that? If it was me I would be furious and just smash one straight at him for it. Then after the match I'd refuse to shake his hand and just blatantly call him a cheater, even in the press conference. I'm sure it would **** him off like crazy but he deserves it.

What nonsense. Over the coure of a match, especially on a croweded stadium, a receiver often raises his hand to ask the server to wait a moment, usually because some spectators are still taking their seats behind the server, or moving about, or some other distraction is going on. This is pretty common and has nothing whatsoever to do with cheating.

If servers threw their racquet at the receiver everytime this happens, many matches would become racque-hurling battles.

jorel
04-08-2008, 11:48 AM
Ladies and gentleman. If one believes that Federer I still the best player in the world then you need to dig in deep and ask yourself some questions. Rafael Nadal right now, is the best player in the world. He will gain the number one spot during the clay court season, and he will win Wimbledon. If anybody wants to add, I'm more than happy to listen.

http://www.tennis.com/features/general/features.aspx?id=124390
not likely

TheTruth
04-08-2008, 11:59 AM
What nonsense. Over the coure of a match, especially on a croweded stadium, a receiver often raises his hand to ask the server to wait a moment, usually because some spectators are still taking their seats behind the server, or moving about, or some other distraction is going on. This is pretty common and has nothing whatsoever to do with cheating.

If servers threw their racquet at the receiver everytime this happens, many matches would become racque-hurling battles.

Raising your hand constitutes cheating? And I thought I had heard it all. I can't think of one player who doesn't raise their hand.

simi
04-08-2008, 01:19 PM
http://www.tennis.com/features/general/features.aspx?id=124390
not likely

Nice article. Thanks for posting.

(FEDERER)vs(NADAL)
04-08-2008, 11:22 PM
Ladies and gentleman. If one believes that Federer I still the best player in the world then you need to dig in deep and ask yourself some questions. Rafael Nadal right now, is the best player in the world. He will gain the number one spot during the clay court season, and he will win Wimbledon. If anybody wants to add, I'm more than happy to listen.

nadal hasn't even won a title this season, federer is the better player

ninman
04-09-2008, 04:43 AM
Raising your hand constitutes cheating? And I thought I had heard it all. I can't think of one player who doesn't raise their hand.

Raising your hand is not cheating, however doing so to disrupt the servers rythm on a big point is. They get down to serve, look up and see you've raised your hand, so they have to prepare all over again. I'm sure he had no reason to do it.

For the record, I've never seen Federer raise his hand, ever.

deme08
04-09-2008, 12:30 PM
Raising your hand is not cheating, however doing so to disrupt the servers rythm on a big point is. They get down to serve, look up and see you've raised your hand, so they have to prepare all over again. I'm sure he had no reason to do it.

For the record, I've never seen Federer raise his hand, ever.

Completely agree. I've watched Nadal raising his hand to disrupt the servers more than any other plays on tour. Even Djokovic doesn't cheat like that but bounces ball instead and he has been doing much less of it lately.

TheTruth
04-09-2008, 02:45 PM
Raising your hand is not cheating, however doing so to disrupt the servers rythm on a big point is. They get down to serve, look up and see you've raised your hand, so they have to prepare all over again. I'm sure he had no reason to do it.

For the record, I've never seen Federer raise his hand, ever.

Too much assumption. And Federer is not the standard by which Nadal is a tennis pro. They're not clones of each other. This constant nitpicking because you like player a over player b is ridiculous!

ninman
04-10-2008, 06:54 AM
Too much assumption. And Federer is not the standard by which Nadal is a tennis pro. They're not clones of each other. This constant nitpicking because you like player a over player b is ridiculous!

You said "I can't think of one player who doesn't raise his hand" and I pointed one out to you. You want another, Roddick, Davydenko, Djokovic, Nalbandian, Murray, want me to tell you about others who don't raise their hands? None of the above mentioned do it on big points either I might add.

TheTruth
04-10-2008, 02:07 PM
You said "I can't think of one player who doesn't raise his hand" and I pointed one out to you. You want another, Roddick, Davydenko, Djokovic, Nalbandian, Murray, want me to tell you about others who don't raise their hands? None of the above mentioned do it on big points either I might add.

Every tennis player raises his hand at some point. I watch too much tennis to take your word for it!

veroniquem
04-10-2008, 03:58 PM
Completely agree. I've watched Nadal raising his hand to disrupt the servers more than any other plays on tour. Even Djokovic doesn't cheat like that but bounces ball instead and he has been doing much less of it lately.
Haha, new scoop; Nadal is winning on hard because he "raises his hand". Tennis is much easier than what a lot of people assume, just raise a hand and your opponent is gonna be so traumatized that his serve will collapse. Such an easy trick! I think I'm gonna become a pro tomorrow...

TheTruth
04-10-2008, 08:23 PM
Grasping at straws!

Benhur
04-10-2008, 09:58 PM
You said "I can't think of one player who doesn't raise his hand" and I pointed one out to you. You want another, Roddick, Davydenko, Djokovic, Nalbandian, Murray, want me to tell you about others who don't raise their hands? None of the above mentioned do it on big points either I might add.

First you say they don't do it. Then you say they don't do it on "big points". Whatever. It's obvious you keep detailed statistics on raising hand patterns. Please post them; they may be valuable. You also have special visionary powers to know if there is a reason for the hand raising, like someone moving behind the server. If the movement is on "small points" then it's okay to raise your hand. If it's on a "big point" then you keep your hand down even if there's an elephant marching towards the court.
And it goes without saying that raising your hand is a potent antidote against the serve. Many a great champion has used the hand raising technique to paralize his oponents.

Nadal_Freak
04-10-2008, 10:03 PM
Haha, new scoop; Nadal is winning on hard because he "raises his hand". Tennis is much easier than what a lot of people assume, just raise a hand and your opponent is gonna be so traumatized that his serve will collapse. Such an easy trick! I think I'm gonna become a pro tomorrow...
Yep raising the hand is the key to success. Nadal should've done more of that against Davydenko. He would've won than. :lol:

edberg505
04-10-2008, 10:33 PM
Yep raising the hand is the key to success. Nadal should've done more of that against Davydenko. He would've won than. :lol:

He probably would have lol.

ninman
04-11-2008, 01:39 AM
Yep raising the hand is the key to success. Nadal should've done more of that against Davydenko. He would've won than. :lol:

Anything you do to try and give yourself an unfair advantage is cheating, learn to live with that please. Of course raising his hand alone will not win him a match, but it's all about lots of little advantages, and if it gives him an unfair advantage to cause deliberate time delays then he is cheating full stop.

daddy
04-11-2008, 02:13 AM
Anything you do to try and give yourself an unfair advantage is cheating, learn to live with that please. Of course raising his hand alone will not win him a match, but it's all about lots of little advantages, and if it gives him an unfair advantage to cause deliberate time delays then he is cheating full stop.

I am just curious. If you think tha Nadal, for example, is such a big cheater, how come other tennis players think he is a great guy and a great sport ? I think he would have been labeled as such from withtin the tennis community.