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firefox
04-05-2008, 10:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WwdLdCWo4Y


I think I can beat this guy - NOT!

Nah, don't even waste your time rating it.

Bungalo Bill
04-05-2008, 11:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WwdLdCWo4Y


I think I can beat this guy - NOT!

Nah, don't even waste your time rating it.

PacificLife Open?

Anyway, I would rate this poor guy maybe a 4.5. LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!! :twisted:

If he wanted to be rated higher, he should have been moving his feet more. :twisted:

Come you yellow-belly thin-skinned whiners, bring it on. Bunch of panzies. Where are you little cry babies.

CantBeBeat2
04-05-2008, 11:18 AM
its hard to rate someone when they are just warming up. you got to get match play.

CantBeBeat2
04-05-2008, 11:21 AM
PacificLife Open?

Anyway, I would rate this poor guy maybe a 4.5. LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!! :twisted:

If he wanted to be rated higher, he should have been moving his feet more. :twisted:

Come you yellow-belly thin-skinned whiners, bring it on. Bunch of panzies. Where are you little cry babies.


are you serious with that comment? hes obviously way higher then a 4.5 if hes playing in the pacific life open. he is on tour and a pro tennis player. i sure hope that was a joke..

Bungalo Bill
04-05-2008, 11:24 AM
are you serious with that comment? hes obviously way higher then a 4.5 if hes playing in the pacific life open. he is on tour and a pro tennis player. i sure hope that was a joke..

LOL, you have to be kidding me! He couldn't hit a backhand! And to think he was playing on a court at the Pacific Life Open. He must of snuck in on one of the practice courts and setup his camera real quick. It is all smoke and mirrors.

I am now lowering my rating to 2.0, I dont think he can move faster then my grandma. Come on, where are the closet coaches around here. You know who you are, I know who you are. Come on out, make your comments. Throw your little jabs. Bring it on. 2.0 is max no higher.

Djokovicfan4life
04-05-2008, 11:26 AM
are you serious with that comment? hes obviously way higher then a 4.5 if hes playing in the pacific life open. he is on tour and a pro tennis player. i sure hope that was a joke..

Can you seriously not detect BB's sarcasm?

Bungalo Bill
04-05-2008, 11:29 AM
Can you seriously not detect BB's sarcasm?

Amazing how people read and take things differently with just words.

I can say the nicest stuff for two months and the one time (okay 10 times) I blow someone up...all hell breaks loose. Too funny. I am going to enjoy this one.

CantBeBeat2
04-05-2008, 11:46 AM
its hard to detect sarcasm over the computer.

Bungalo Bill
04-05-2008, 11:52 AM
its hard to detect sarcasm over the computer.

Yes, it is. I am sorry I didnt indicate otherwise but was proving a point on how things can get out of whack over a silly NTRP rating.

herosol
04-05-2008, 12:13 PM
3.0

form is all messed up
can't even hit through the ball without whipping it so much

obnoxious2
04-05-2008, 12:35 PM
3.0

form is all messed up
can't even hit through the ball without whipping it so much

Haha wow. Are you kidding me? Didn't look like whipping at all. He's just hitting the ball normally. Please show me how YOU hit the ball if you seriously thought that was whipping at the ball.

TennisProdigy
04-05-2008, 12:36 PM
Lol I know you guys are being sarcastic but you at least know who Kohlschreiberis right? Around 30 if I remember and I saw him play a match vs roddick where he hit over 100 winners and around 20 errors for the match. He won in 5 sets like 9-7 or something crazy like that. He hit around 30 aces and roddick hit 41 aces i think. It was one heck of a match. It was in the australian open I believe this year.

Bungalo Bill
04-05-2008, 12:47 PM
Lol I know you guys are being sarcastic but you at least know who Kohlschreiberis right? Around 30 if I remember and I saw him play a match vs roddick where he hit over 100 winners and around 20 errors for the match. He won in 5 sets like 9-7 or something crazy like that. He hit around 30 aces and roddick hit 41 aces i think. It was one heck of a match. It was in the australian open I believe this year.

Nah, doesnt look like him at all. I think he just ran on one of those courts, set his beer down, placed his camera, and put on a mask that looks like Mr. K.

My rating stands: 2.0 :)

vince916
04-05-2008, 12:50 PM
At first I thought those people walking behind him were recreational players. Then one of the guys helped feed the rally so I assume they were trainers.

Bungalo Bill
04-05-2008, 12:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WwdLdCWo4Y


I think I can beat this guy - NOT!

Nah, don't even waste your time rating it.

Okay seriously. More then anything, what you can take away from this video clip is how he grooves his stroke. He isnt going for winners, he isnt hitting angles, he is maintaining a consistent racquet head speed on both sides and is grooving his rally stroke.

The ball is traveling bascically at the same speed and consistency is the name of the game.

boojay
04-05-2008, 12:59 PM
Just goes to show you how amateur camera work can make a player look really poor. I realize he's just warming up, but there are plenty of club level players who look better doing the same thing.

firefox
04-05-2008, 01:13 PM
A sharp contrast to Philipp's warm-up style. This is 1st ball of Tsonga's warm-up. More aggressive style yet still maintains a very nice rhytm right from the get go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHNEOCJsXXQ

Gram Parsons
04-05-2008, 01:14 PM
Any idea on Kohlschriber's forehand grip on this vid? Am I being totally wrong in suggesting a western?

I agree with BB about the grooving of the stroke. A large proportion of people seem to be obessed with lashing winners from all angles in these forums as if the (majority) of people in here at the usual club level score most points in this way.

Consistency of stroke is what I strive for!

nickb
04-05-2008, 01:38 PM
Just goes to show you how amateur camera work can make a player look really poor. I realize he's just warming up, but there are plenty of club level players who look better doing the same thing.

Are you joking??

Bungalo Bill
04-05-2008, 01:44 PM
Are you joking??

LOL, I know.

Here is what is different about ths pros "warm-up" and some of the videos shown by posters here.

Posters Here
1. Inconsistent stroke pattern

2. Inconsistent stroke speed

3. Some strokes are framed or lack clean contact

4. Many strokes do not hit through the ball

This Pros Strokes

1. Smooth

2. Consistent stroke speed

3. Clean contact

4. Maintains consistency and rally's with one ball for a long time.

Even though this was warm-up, it was EXTREMELY clear this was a matured player. There were no "highlights" and overhitting in his stroke at all.

sharpilistik
04-05-2008, 02:01 PM
Bungalo bill can probably crush this guy with his eyes closed playing lefthanded!

boojay
04-05-2008, 02:04 PM
Are you joking??

Not at all, I said "looks better", as in, more pleasing to the eye. Obviously Kohlshreiber would destroy any club/college player.

Case-in-point, I would say CAM187 from this board, around a 5.0 (or more) player, looks to have better looking strokes in his warmup vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6ETsMJKUbc compared to the Kohlschreiber warmup video.

Bungalo Bill
04-05-2008, 02:08 PM
Bungalo bill can probably crush this guy with his eyes closed playing lefthanded!

I am lefthanded. ;)

Probably? Probably!

Try any day. In fact, I am going to stat working out and I will see him at the Pacific Open. I think John can get me to teach him a few things in the practice courts.

spiritdragon
04-05-2008, 02:09 PM
Not at all, I said "looks better", as in, more pleasing to the eye. Obviously Kohlshreiber would destroy any club/college player.

Case-in-point, I would say CAM187 from this board, around a 5.0 (or more) player, looks to have better looking strokes in his warmup vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6ETsMJKUbc compared to the Kohlschreiber warmup video.

i'd have to disagree. in kohlschreiber's warm up video, his strokes look much smoother and consistent.

Bungalo Bill
04-05-2008, 02:17 PM
Not at all, I said "looks better", as in, more pleasing to the eye. Obviously Kohlshreiber would destroy any club/college player.

Case-in-point, I would say CAM187 from this board, around a 5.0 (or more) player, looks to have better looking strokes in his warmup vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6ETsMJKUbc compared to the Kohlschreiber warmup video.

Boojay,

Please dont take this wrong. But I think you are stretching a little.

Both players are well trained in their strokes. They are advanced to pro level players. However, there is a slight difference in the smoothness, racquet control, and ball control in the pros video that you might not be seeing.

It takes time to develop an eye for a beauty of a stroke. It is a lot like developing a forehand. You can spend time hitting a ball or you can spend time learning how a ball is hit.

I have spent time learning how a ball is hit and am probably better at it then hitting a ball.

On the pros video, it looked like he just woke up. I dont know what you know about this tournament, but I went to it many times. A lot of players stay at the Hyatt and then roll out of bed to go warm-up.

So, I agree with you that the player you showed has advanced strokes and is probably rated as you described. However, the pros strokes were a bit more smooth and his racquet speed was very consistent. There was a slight difference in this area.

sharpilistik
04-05-2008, 02:21 PM
I am lefthanded. ;)

Probably? Probably!

Try any day. In fact, I am going to stat working out and I will see him at the Pacific Open. I think John can get me to teach him a few things in the practice courts.

Make sure you give the poor guy your autograph at the end of it all.

firefox
04-05-2008, 02:31 PM
I think I can beat this guy - NOT!

alright, I changed my mind. I don't think I can get a single point from Kohlschreiber in a set. :cry:

Bungalo Bill
04-05-2008, 02:33 PM
Make sure you give the poor guy your autograph at the end of it all.

That is the least I can do. :)

split-step
04-05-2008, 03:19 PM
Not at all, I said "looks better", as in, more pleasing to the eye. Obviously Kohlshreiber would destroy any club/college player.

Case-in-point, I would say CAM187 from this board, around a 5.0 (or more) player, looks to have better looking strokes in his warmup vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6ETsMJKUbc compared to the Kohlschreiber warmup video.

Pleasing tennis strokes can be subjective to an extent, but seriously Kohlshreiber's strokes are clearly smoother than the video you put forward.

boojay
04-05-2008, 05:40 PM
Boojay,

Please dont take this wrong. But I think you are stretching a little.

Both players are well trained in their strokes. They are advanced to pro level players. However, there is a slight difference in the smoothness, racquet control, and ball control in the pros video that you might not be seeing.

It takes time to develop an eye for a beauty of a stroke. It is a lot like developing a forehand. You can spend time hitting a ball or you can spend time learning how a ball is hit.

I have spent time learning how a ball is hit and am probably better at it then hitting a ball.

On the pros video, it looked like he just woke up. I dont know what you know about this tournament, but I went to it many times. A lot of players stay at the Hyatt and then roll out of bed to go warm-up.

So, I agree with you that the player you showed has advanced strokes and is probably rated as you described. However, the pros strokes were a bit more smooth and his racquet speed was very consistent. There was a slight difference in this area.

Not at all, BB. I'm glad to see you're capable of making such a mild post. And you're right, I don't have an eye for the stroke as you do, that was merely my opinion based on appearance alone (and with my current ability to watch a stroke). To me, Kohlschreiber looks like he's flailing and leaning too much (at least on the FH side), which is probably why it doesn't look as smooth to me. Mind you, I'm still learning to hit the ball properly and I realize he's hitting the ball at a significantly higher level than any of us.

firefox
04-05-2008, 08:17 PM
alright, this guy looks pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFxnqpUT_po

Lendl and Federer Fan
04-05-2008, 08:54 PM
His 1HBH is kind of like mine, except I probably drive through the ball more, with more pace.

Bungalo Bill
04-05-2008, 08:58 PM
Not at all, BB. I'm glad to see you're capable of making such a mild post.

Capable? Man youre tough. You haven't seen any mild posts? What about semi-mild? Or ones that have a little hot sauce on them? Just a little hot sauce, not much?

Actually post #4 was mild in our little disagreement. ;)

Lendl and Federer Fan
04-05-2008, 08:58 PM
And my forehand is just as smooth and lethal, without the extreme racquet preparation. :)

tfm1973
04-05-2008, 09:06 PM
alright, this guy looks pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFxnqpUT_po

BB - quick question. in this practice session, federer looks like he's very upright. i know it's just practice but do you advocate bending knees and getting low every time? i ask because i play/practice very upright and sometimes bending my knees and getting so low feels sorta un-natural. thoughts?

boojay
04-05-2008, 09:10 PM
Capable? Man youre tough. You haven't seen any mild posts? What about semi-mild? Or ones that have a little hot sauce on them? Just a little hot sauce, not much?

Actually post #4 was mild in our little disagreement. ;)

You can't possibly be offended by a non-threatening comment like that :P. And being called tough from someone who's the toughest of all is strangely gratifying.

Anyway, I know you keep referring to post #4, but I had no problems with that post, it was someone else who did. I never referred to any single post in particular as being "non-mild".

Bungalo Bill
04-05-2008, 09:11 PM
BB - quick question. in this practice session, federer looks like he's very upright. i know it's just practice but do you advocate bending knees and getting low every time? i ask because i play/practice very upright and sometimes bending my knees and getting so low feels sorta un-natural. thoughts?

Yeah, that is practice and warmup. However, I look at the knee bend and the air space between the heel from the ground together. If your heel is on the ground the majority of time, that is not good. Watch Federer on this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTxkDWuJKC4&feature=related

Disclaimer: This isn't my kind of music.

boojay
04-05-2008, 09:13 PM
Yeah, that is practice and warmup. However, I look at that (knee bend) and the air space between the heel and the ground. If your heel is on the ground the majority of time, that is not good. Watch Federer on this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTxkDWuJKC4&feature=related

Disclaimer: This isn't my kind of music.

I've actually been forcing myself to stay on my toes all the time the last couple of days while hitting. It's not tiring at all as I thought it would be. I remember hopping around all the time when I was trying to learn how to time the split step. Now THAT was tiring.

Bungalo Bill
04-05-2008, 09:14 PM
I've actually been forcing myself to stay on my toes all the time the last couple of days while hitting. It's not tiring at all as I thought it would be. I remember hopping around all the time when I was trying to learn how to time the split step. Now THAT was tiring.

Good, keep it up!

valluk
04-05-2008, 09:19 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philipp_Kohlschreiber

boojay
04-05-2008, 09:20 PM
Good, keep it up!

I just made this my wallpaper.

tfm1973
04-05-2008, 09:24 PM
Yeah, that is practice and warmup. However, I look at the knee bend and the air space between the heel from the ground together. If your heel is on the ground the majority of time, that is not good. Watch Federer on this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTxkDWuJKC4&feature=related

Disclaimer: This isn't my kind of music.

ahh gotcha. not like he's doing squats but definitely bending knees in match situation - especially low balls (duh). noted. dankeschoen! and i guess fo shizzle my nizzle?

Bungalo Bill
04-05-2008, 09:24 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philipp_Kohlschreiber

This is Wiki stuff, I think he wrote the information himself and just fudged the win column. 2.0 tops. :)

Bungalo Bill
04-05-2008, 09:27 PM
ahh gotcha. not like he's doing squats but definitely bending knees in match situation - especially low balls (duh). noted. dankeschoen! and i guess fo shizzle my nizzle?

Agassi is the squater. He rides low. His knees are bent and his butt is down. Federer rides a bit higher but he does get down. So Federer is decieving.

He will lower his butt to the right level on balls that he needs to do so. club players will only lower so far when they should have lowered more. So most coaches say "bend your knees." It is to get the center of gravity (your butt) lower.

Bungalo Bill
04-05-2008, 09:31 PM
I just made this my wallpaper.

Ahhh, as long as no darts are close, I will take it as a compliment.

Djokovicfan4life
04-06-2008, 06:02 AM
Lol I know you guys are being sarcastic but you at least know who Kohlschreiberis right? Around 30 if I remember and I saw him play a match vs roddick where he hit over 100 winners and around 20 errors for the match. He won in 5 sets like 9-7 or something crazy like that. He hit around 30 aces and roddick hit 41 aces i think. It was one heck of a match. It was in the australian open I believe this year.

That was probably the best match I have ever seen! :)