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TripleB
01-06-2005, 04:46 AM
Last night I decided I had dealt enough with the RDX-500 Mid so I left it at home and compared my new 'love', the RDX-500 Midplus, to my POG mid.

I had never noticed it before but my Prince Original Graphite Mid has a high pitched "ping" sound to it as well as a small "rattling" sound whenever I hit the ball. I checked the grommets and they are in perfect condition.

I have one of my POG mids strung with Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power 16L mains and Gosen Super Tec Gut 16 Crosses. The other one is strung with Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power 16L mains and Prince Synthetic Gut 16 with Duraflex crosses. All strings are (were) at 57 pounds. Both have the "ping" and "rattle."

Would the "ping" and "rattle" be coming from the strings (anyone else have a "ping" or "rattle" when using LBBALUP16 strings) or is it most likely due to the racquet?

The RDX-500 Midplus didn't have either and it just sounded like a much more solid racquet (it is strung with Wilson NXT Max 16).

Thanks for any input.

TripleB

Mies
01-06-2005, 05:20 AM
The rattling might be a bit of graphite that has come loose within the frame. Or it might be a pice of graphite as a remnant from drilling the holes and not properly "vacuum cleaning" the racket prior to putting the butt cap on in the factory. I can't imagine the strings rattling unless you strung them at 10 kg's or something along those lines :). ....

As for the ping sound, I suppose that would be your strings. Considering the length of the piece of mains between the first (and last) cross string and the frame (and vice versa on the side of the racket): the piece of cross string between the frame and the first main) and their tension, a "ping" sound would be in the frequency range generated by such a piece of string. Is the ping gone when you put a damper in? I cannot image it being the frame, if you'd drop a frame you wouldn't hear a ping either.

Of course, one could calculate it exactly, given the material properties etc. but....blegh :).....

Regards

TripleB
01-06-2005, 05:33 AM
Mies,

Thanks for the help. I thought it might be some loose graphite but I thought it was strange that it's in both racquets and sounds the same in both racquets. I have a rubber band dampner in both racquets (it's what I also have in the RDX-500 MP demo).

TripleB

b.
01-06-2005, 05:51 AM
I beleive it is more or less normal. Once you get used to RDX, and eventually try new recquet you will start noticing sounds from RDX.

I too notice some details on old racquets when I pull them out of dust to refresh memory.

MHO.

loubapache
01-06-2005, 05:54 AM
I just receintly acquired a POG MP and I hit with it once.

I also noticed a high pitched ping and as a small rattling sound. I did not like volleying with it at all. I only hit it with about half an hour and I put it back in the bag.

This is compared to Wilson ROK and Tour 95. The ROK is much more solid on ground strokes and the Tour 95 is a volleying machine, compared to the POG MP.

ferrari_827
01-06-2005, 06:11 AM
So far I haven't noticed any pingy sounds from the RDX, and there's absolutely no vibration.

TripleB
01-06-2005, 06:23 AM
ferrari_827...YOU GOT THAT RIGHT! Maybe that's why the ping and rattle sounded so bad coming from the POG mid...I was comparing it beside the RDX-500 Midplus. If one (the RDX) doesn't make a sound when you hit the ball, the sound that the other (the POG) racquet makes is going to sound that much louder.

TripleB

Rabbit
01-06-2005, 06:44 AM
The ping you're hearing is the rackets talking to you. They are whining because you have found a new "love". The reason you never noticed it before is because they knew you were not seriously thinking of leaving them for the newest blonde to walk by you. Now they know that you are seriously thinking of leaving them and they are devastated.

Here's an experiment for you. Order a demo of a POG Mid. But when you get it, don't put it anywhere near your existing POG Mid(s). Leave it out of range of the old ones. Take the demo POG Mid to the courts, don't let it mingle with your old frames. Hit with it. I bet you don't hear a ping. Then, when you go home, put it in the bag with your existing frames. Go to the courts and hit again. Voila.....there will be a ping in the new racket. It will have spoken to the others and will be doing sympathy whining.

I know that manufacturers often read these boards. It's time for someone at Prince to step up to the plate and keep 3B in the family. If 3B leaves the Prince family, Prince might as well cease and desist production and sales of the POG Mid, and OS for that matter. Once the word spreads among the frames that 3B is playing with a Yonnie, all the POG's regardless of size will begin to ping (or whine in racket-ese).

3B, you realize that you alone will be responsible for the demise of one of the greatest and most long-lived production frames in the history of tennis. What graphite did to the Maxply Fort, you are doing to the POG. What Michael Chang and Andre Agassi couldn't do, you are about to.

Additionally, the noise from all of the POGs left in service will become deafening to the rest of us. We will suffer the slings and arrows of your misguided move to another frame. POGs on courts around the world will begin to ping causing great distraction, discomfort, and discombobulation among tennis players of all levels.

This could lead to people everywhere leaving the game of tennis. Leagues will begin to fold around the country. Because of your geographic locale, the first symptom of collapse will be the cessation of play in the ALTA leagues directly to your south. From there, it is only a matter of time before leagues across these great United States begin to fold from the dreaded onslaught of POG ping. Tennis players across this country will begin to take up golf in an effort to escape the ever widening spread of POG ping.

Our neighbors to the North and South, Canada and Mexico will suffer next. From there, it is only a matter of time before the great tennis boom in South America comes to a grinding hault. The Argentine Assassins, that great group of pros from the land of the bolo, will cease to be a force in the world. They will take up soccer or lawn bowling which was brought to Argentina by the Germans when they left Europe after World War II.

I fear that all is lost for this continent, but the rest of the world can be saved. President Bush must assume control under Marshall Law and stop international travel now. At a minimum, all bags must be searched for POG's leaving the country. There must be a test, like the bomb sniffing test they have at the airports. Any POG that suffers from POG ping must not be allowed to leave the country. They must be quarantined and then destroyed in the same manner as those poor animals who suffer from mad cow disease. In the immortal words of Barney Fife, who saw a disaster of similar proportions affect another community in the Carolinas where 3B hails from, we must "Nip it in the bud".

I appeal to all members of the tennis community. Wrap your POGs in Seran wrap tightly to keep them from hearing the mournful ping of their brethren. In areas of the country other than the South, begin to demo other models now. Your POGs are defensless against this plague. You must act now before all is lost!

The future of tennis depends on action now! The USTA must be brought into this! What if it spreads to other frames?!?!?!?!!?!? Does this mean that we will return to wood again?

3B, the future of tennis as we know it is in your never-ending-demo hands. If you leave the POG for another brand, all is lost.

Wait....what am I saying? Hey 3B, I think there is a new Yonex coming out next week.

ferrari_827
01-06-2005, 06:48 AM
Rabbit, you are too much !!!

Mies
01-06-2005, 07:03 AM
The amount of letters Rabbit produces would suggest he is slightly hyperactive and likes short, quick movements. Combine that with his online name, and images of late night Discovery Channel documentaries enter my mind...........

It could also be due to my somewhat warped mind of course......but I think not....

Rabbit
01-06-2005, 07:35 AM
The amount of letters Rabbit produces would suggest he is slightly hyperactive and likes short, quick movements. Combine that with his online name, and images of late night Discovery Channel documentaries enter my mind...........

It could also be due to my somewhat warped mind of course......but I think not....

Hyperactive? Dude......nothing could be further from the truth. Isn't it time for a nap?

Mies
01-06-2005, 07:42 AM
hmmmmmm no sleepy now! I'll be hitting the court with the RDX 500 mid in a couple o hours to give it a testrun........but otherewise, I fully agree. Naps rule, especially after "bunny activities"...........but I feel we are getting astray from the subject of this thread :)

TripleB
01-06-2005, 08:24 AM
ferrari_827 (and others who care to read),

The funny thing I found last night when comparing the POG Mid and the RDX-500 Midplus: When I played with the POG Mid I found myself hitting high and loopy (ball flight) looking groundstrokes. When I switched to the RDX500 MP, my strokes became more flat and I seemed to drive the ball better. I'm not sure if it's the amount of spin I get with each or the weight or the flex or what the reason was but the path of strokes were entirely different with each racquet.

Rabbit,

If a new Yonex is coming out next week does that mean the price of the RDX-500 will drop?

TripleB

ferrari_827
01-06-2005, 08:52 AM
When I playtested the Diablo mid, I noticed also my shots were more loopy, with higher net clearance, than usual. It seemed strange because I tend to hit fairly low over the net with my Yonexes. With IPrestige or 18x20 rackets, my shots have even less spin and clearance, but good penetration.

This is probably a good thing TripleB because you can hit winners more easily.

Senator Jay Bullworth
01-06-2005, 09:23 AM
...my new 'love', the RDX-500 Midplus, to my POG mid....I had never noticed it before but my Prince Original Graphite Mid has a high pitched "ping" sound to it......I have one of my POG mids strung with Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power 16L mains and Gosen Super Tec Gut 16 Crosses. The OTHER ONE is strung with Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power 16L mains and Prince Synthetic Gut 16 with Duraflex crosses......Both have the "ping" and the "rattle"......Would the "ping" and "rattle" be coming from the strings (anyone else have a "ping" or "rattle" when using LBBALUP16 strings) or is it most likely due to the racquet?...TripleB

Sen. J. Bullworth (emerging from his cave):
"Jerome....enough of this crap! Bring the car 'round front, we got work to do."

Jerome (his trusted aide-de-camp):
" 'Bout time, ya womanizin' bum!"

Is it a rattle or is it a ping?
Can't get a handle on that thing?
Is it the frame or is it the strings?
Again...logic has taken to wing

For starters, you should cut your losses
Standarize your "mains" as well as your "crosses"
How much time does your "demo posts" cost us?
(Countless racquet 'advisors' as bosses)

All your Prince POG's will PING
All your Yonex-is will PRING ;-)
What 50 questions will tomorrow bring?????
While racquet marketers laugh at you and then sing:

"If this were baseball, they'd call him 'Shoeless'
We take his money, 'cause in tennis -- he's clueless
New racquets to him are signs that say: 'hey, chew this!'
He's like a lost porn start that's gone screw-less"

Break:
Hey Mies, you nap after "bunny activities?"
Fall ASLEEP, after playin' in cavities?!
To that Jerome and I both disagree
Cuddle, snuggle girls have another number of needs....

Where wuz I?:
In the end your strings will ring, ping and sing
And you'll keep marketers in the black with phat bling-bling
Your Prince "Ring-Ding" now a Yonex "Wing-Ding"
Hey Bing, why don't 'cha sing "Queen of indicision--I AM yo' king!"

With no strings attached, in order to latch onto the thatch that has accumulated 'neath Triple B's cranial hatch, I am,
Your loving servant,
Senator Jay BULLworth

TripleB
01-06-2005, 09:46 AM
Great work Senator! I guess you are the new Skittles....sorry I mean M & M's....sorry I mean Eminem.

TripleB

Mies
01-07-2005, 12:08 AM
I bow my humble, unworthy head (and I don't mean my racket) to the skills of the obviously literally gifted Senater Bullworth........May I grovel now? :)

Rabbit
01-07-2005, 11:28 AM
I think groveling is appropriate for royalty. Paying taxes is appropriate for the Congress. Senator, do you have an address Mies could use? :)

Phil
01-10-2005, 06:48 PM
Rabbit - Definitely a gem-even I'm at a loss for words; I humbly bow to your literary skills and annoint you "Wordsmith". Giving new meaning to the phrase, "shining some perspective on the subject". Along with granting this award, I am also ROFLMAO!

BTW, the Senator, along with all his many other honorary degrees and awards, was previously so-annointed, and continues to prove that he is a worthy recipient.

Rabbit
01-13-2005, 09:42 AM
Thanks, Phil, it would seem that both of us have a cult-type following. Wordsmith you say? Wordsmith has so much nicer sound than sidekick.

In any event, the adjectives that have been used of late to describe this happy little quadroped are: Wordsmith, sidekick, bitter, and sick. Of the four, I would have to pick WORDSMITH as what I would like on my tombstone. Either that or VACANT.

The Senator, while not a tennis-type so much, does continue to be the trend-setter as it were for pithy posts. He is, in fact, piling up pithy posts exponentially. I love alliteration. The Senator also has a knack for cutting through the BS to get right to the heart of the matter, which proves that he is in fact not a member of Congress, but an imposter! As we all know, a real Seantor would pontificate ad nauseum without really saying anything!

Senator Jay Bullworth
01-13-2005, 11:38 AM
Thanks, Phil, it would seem that both of us have a cult-type following. Wordsmith you say? Wordsmith has so much nicer sound than sidekick.

In any event, the adjectives that have been used of late to describe this happy little quadroped are: Wordsmith, sidekick, bitter, and sick. Of the four, I would have to pick WORDSMITH as what I would like on my tombstone. Either that or VACANT.

The Senator, while not a tennis-type so much, does continue to be the trend-setter as it were for pithy posts. He is, in fact, piling up pithy posts exponentially. I love alliteration. The Senator also has a knack for cutting through the BS to get right to the heart of the matter, which proves that he is in fact not a member of Congress, but an imposter! As we all know, a real Seantor would pontificate ad nauseum without really saying anything!

Eat me raw with a flavored straw.

Rabbit
01-14-2005, 07:01 AM
It would appear that the good and righteous Senator was a Welcome back Kotter fan. While one would hope for loftier entertainment such as Pimp My Ride, it is apparent that the good Senator is in fact a sweathog.

I'm sure the Senator views himself as the Vinnie Barbarino type when in fact, he is probably the spitting image of Dingfelder Horshak.

In reply all I can say is

In your ear with a can of beer....

Or in the immortal words of Freddie "Boom Boom" Washington:

"Hi there..."