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IanRichardson
04-07-2008, 01:10 PM
Even though Federer has not been playing great this year, I still think he has a shot at the title. He has been the second best clay court player in the world for the past few years. I still think he is. With Nadal's bad knees I am really interested to see if he is able to win it again this year, or if it will be feds year, or if someone new decides to make a run on the clay.

Thoughts?

PROTENNIS63
04-07-2008, 01:12 PM
Nadal's knees hold up well on the dirt. Remember clay is soft. I don't see Fed winning the French Open. He hasn't showed any impressive results. He has been consistent throughout the year, getting to the quarters and semis of several tournys but that is not good enough for a win on his least favorite surface. Plus in Paris, the courts can get a little wet and the ball becomes heavy- making it easier for Nadal.

IanRichardson
04-07-2008, 01:14 PM
are nadals knee problems joint related? If so I can see the soft clay being easier on him, but if they are some other type of problem wouldnt the long grueling matches on clay hurt him?

Does anyone know the answer to this?

PROTENNIS63
04-07-2008, 01:20 PM
He has said it himself his knees only hurt on the hard courts.

Gerry
04-07-2008, 01:26 PM
Even though Federer has not been playing great this year, I still think he has a shot at the title. He has been the second best clay court player in the world for the past few years. I still think he is. With Nadal's bad knees I am really interested to see if he is able to win it again this year, or if it will be feds year, or if someone new decides to make a run on the clay.

Thoughts?

Now is too soon to tell, maybe after Estoril we could know how Federer's doing on clay. But, if i'm asked, based on the tennis showed so far, i'd not go with Federer to win the FO, my pick will be Nadal. Even if Nadal fails to defend his title, i think Djokovic has a better shot than Federer.

Zaragoza
04-07-2008, 01:29 PM
This thing about his knees is getting old. He is fine. He didnīt have any injury since October last year. He played a lot of matches on hardcourts in the last 3 weeks and he is fine. Like it or not he is not injured. Forget about his knees.
I think itīs other players that should be worried about their fitness at the moment.

IvanYentl
04-07-2008, 01:30 PM
perhaps the only way for roger to restore the aura of invincibility is to win the french

Nadal_Monfils
04-07-2008, 01:46 PM
Highly doubtful. I see Nadal taking the French, hopefully without dropping a set.

dbc244
04-07-2008, 01:56 PM
Is Fed playing Estoril? He doesn't usually play any run-up t'ments, just starts in MC

master_stringer_mitchy
04-07-2008, 02:02 PM
i think federer will win it this year. IF he won it and nadal did not play, would u still class it as being the best?

futuretoptenner
04-07-2008, 02:02 PM
I have a feeling this year Federer will take the French. Theres been so much talking of whats wrong with Federer , I think this will continue up till the french open where Federer will produce some of his best tennis to win. It's just a gut feeling though.

edmondsm
04-07-2008, 02:07 PM
The way it stands now I wouldn't be suprised if Federer lost in the first week of the FO. He's been going down routinely on a surface that he usually dominates. He will need to find much better form if he wants to win the French. He has said himself that he has many more opponents on clay.

Gerry
04-07-2008, 02:09 PM
Is Fed playing Estoril? He doesn't usually play any run-up t'ments, just starts in MC

Yes, Federer planned a complete clay season:
Estoril
Monte Carlo
Rome
Hamburg
FO

G.

drakulie
04-07-2008, 02:11 PM
I don't think nadal wins it again. 4 years in a row is a lot to ask. Either Fed, or some guy who gets hot wins it.

BlUe 182 BanAna
04-07-2008, 05:18 PM
I don't think nadal wins it again. 4 years in a row is a lot to ask. Either Fed, or some guy who gets hot wins it.

CanadianChic
04-07-2008, 05:23 PM
I'm afraid I don't believe Fed will ever win the French. It will elude him his entire career...the Holy Grail...and will be the cause of his insanity. (Sorry Drak, I like Fed but the FO trophy is not meant to be for him). ;)

The title will either go to Nadal again *yawn* or Djokovic. There will be either a bare chested cheering section or a fist pumping warrior when all is said and done.

Nadal_Freak
04-07-2008, 05:50 PM
It's a long shot but who thought Davydenko would win this week? We'll have to wait and see.

aceroberts13
04-07-2008, 06:02 PM
I think slow clay courts will only magnify Fed's poor play. It will require much more work form him to win matches.

Nadal_Freak
04-07-2008, 06:06 PM
I think slow clay courts will only magnify Fed's poor play. It will require much more work form him to win matches.
I think it will help as there are hardly any clay threats compared to hard court threats. We're in a hard court specialists era with a few clay courters and no grass court specialists.

Gerry
04-07-2008, 06:22 PM
I think it will help as there are hardly any clay threats compared to hard court threats. We're in a hard court specialists era with a few clay courters and no grass court specialists.

No grass court specialists? After 5 Wimbledon titles in a row, i would have te say that Federer is a grass court specialist.

G.

Nadal_Freak
04-07-2008, 06:24 PM
No grass court specialists? After 5 Wimbledon titles in a row, i would have te say that Federer is a grass court specialist.

G.
Fed is about equal on all surfaces. He's been lucky not to have to face a lot of grass court specialists. He is the same as on hardcourts. It's just that everyone else is better on that surface.

Gerry
04-07-2008, 06:35 PM
Fed is about equal on all surfaces. He's been lucky not to have to face a lot of grass court specialists. He is the same as on hardcourts. It's just that everyone else is better on that surface.

I see Federer as a grass court specialist just as much as i see Nadal as a clay specialist. Both are very good at all surfaces, but are almost unbeatable on grass and clay respectively.

Anyway, the topic of the thread is "Federer and the French" and, as i stated earlier, i don't think he will win, at least not this year.

G.

fednad
04-07-2008, 10:33 PM
I don't think nadal wins it again. 4 years in a row is a lot to ask. Either Fed, or some guy who gets hot wins it.

Agreed! Fed will take French this time.

crawl4
04-07-2008, 10:52 PM
fed will suprise people in FO,maybe not win though..i think nadal wont win as well

gut feeling which i hope is right, i will be rejoicing if federer wins

veroniquem
04-08-2008, 03:45 AM
Actually that's not "gut feeling" so much as wishful thinking! As long as clay season hasn't started, we can't really make judgements about anything. Let's wait a few weeks and see how it shapes up...

ExPro
04-08-2008, 05:10 AM
Even though Federer has not been playing great this year, I still think he has a shot at the title. He has been the second best clay court player in the world for the past few years. I still think he is. With Nadal's bad knees I am really interested to see if he is able to win it again this year, or if it will be feds year, or if someone new decides to make a run on the clay.

Thoughts?

Roger Federer will not win another grand slam event. The cracks started appearing last year and at the masters even he was able to turn things around to take that title, but as far as GS's are concerned he's maxed out. Mens tennis doesn't stand still. He's finding it tough now on the hard stuf wait until he comes up against the clay court masters, he'll struggle to get to the qtrs of Rome, MOnte Carlo, Hamburg etc assuming he plays any of these. As I alluded to in an earlier thread, I palyed the tour in the 80's and 90's and we saw it in Borg as early as the 1980 USO, In mens tennis it only takes a minute drop of your focus for the losses to start piling up. Anyone who knows tennis will know that RFs game is far from impregnable but to his credit he does everything so amazingly well and his mystique's been built largely on his GS success. Nalbandian doesn't fear him and will have more success against him in the future. I'm not a hater of the guy but the evidence is starting to shine thru. I know I'm going to be villified and pilloried by the fans of RF but come september you'll see.

ninman
04-08-2008, 05:16 AM
Roger Federer will not win another grand slam event. The cracks started appearing last year and at the masters even he was able to turn things around to take that title, but as far as GS's are concerned he's maxed out. Mens tennis doesn't stand still. He's finding it tough now on the hard stuf wait until he comes up against the clay court masters, he'll struggle to get to the qtrs of Rome, MOnte Carlo, Hamburg etc assuming he plays any of these. As I alluded to in an earlier thread, I palyed the tour in the 80's and 90's and we saw it in Borg as early as the 1980 USO, In mens tennis it only takes a minute drop of your focus for the losses to start piling up. Anyone who knows tennis will know that RFs game is far from impregnable but to his credit he does everything so amazingly well and his mystique's been built largely on his GS success. Nalbandian doesn't fear him and will have more success against him in the future. I'm not a hater of the guy but the evidence is starting to shine thru. I know I'm going to be villified and pilloried by the fans of RF but come september you'll see.

You think Roger Federer will not win another GS event for the rest of his career and you want us to take you seriously? Federer has made 15 and counting consecutive GS semi's and that's still active despite playing the AO with glandular fever. I think Federer will make it to 17 or 18 before his career is over, including 2 French Open's.

ExPro
04-08-2008, 05:38 AM
You think Roger Federer will not win another GS event for the rest of his career and you want us to take you seriously? Federer has made 15 and counting consecutive GS semi's and that's still active despite playing the AO with glandular fever. I think Federer will make it to 17 or 18 before his career is over, including 2 French Open's.

To that I will say ,'we'll see'. you are thinking as fan and by virtue of that fact you wont see things that are obvous to others but thats ok. I'm not sure about the glandular fever thing, i wouldnt want to question the legimacy of his claim but i'll tell you this: In 1984 we saw Connors get to the semis of the FO, USO and the final of wimbledon lose in the final of the Davis Cup and the guys in the locker room were noting that JC's shots were losing power the depth on his ground strokes was not what it used to be, ( he even went back to his T2000 in 85, blaming the losses on the new racket that he'd been using since 84) granted JC was 32 at the time but the decline was obvious and he didnt win another main stream event until DC in 88/89. i think then he won again in toulouse and that was the last of his tour titles, the point i'm trying to make is that he was still better than the majority of the players out there but when it got to the quarters or semis thats when he came unstuck and some times he wasn't even losing to superior players mainly it was lendl or mats other times it was a journeyman having an inspired week, much like mardy fish had this past week. RF will win tour events because he is still light years better than most of the guys out there but at the big events where the big guns are is where he'll struggle. So look closely and you'll see what i'm talking about Sampras GS records going to be safe for a while.

Nadal_Monfils
04-08-2008, 06:21 AM
I feel like Federer is far more susceptible to defeat in matches that are 2 of 3 sets than matches at the Grand Slams which are 3 of 5 sets. Many people can just get hot for a couple of sets (Mardy Fish) but it is far more difficult to sustain a high level for a best 3 of 5, which Tipsarevic proved at the Aussie Open.

TennisProdigy
04-08-2008, 06:21 AM
Nadal wins the FO hands down. Drops only 2 sets through entire tournament he's playing better than ever and as far as I can see his opponents haven't improved at all.

ksbh
04-08-2008, 08:13 AM
With Rafael Nadal around and his excellent showing on his least favorite surface (hard courts), I don't see how Roger Federer can have any chance at winning the French Open this year on Nadal's best surface.

I hope Federer gets to the final because we'll at least have a competitive match. If it's anyone else in the final, I see Rafa taking it in straight sets. I see Bjorn Borg as the greatest clay court player of all time but if Nadal wins the French Open again this year (and I'm fully expecting that), Borg won't be alone on that list anymore.

hyogen
04-08-2008, 08:33 AM
no soup or french open for Fed. -.-

perhaps Fed has been playing lately as if playing on clay. Trying to be more loopy with his shots, more topspin, etc... what do you think?

Then there was that match against... Ascuso? where he had 2 distinct Nadal like forehands with the follow through over his head. (there was a thread about this).

I hope he doesn't win the french, but if he does it will be a shame that the shallow field of his no talent *** clown competitors will have walked him into the indisputable greatest player ever status.... like the parting of the red sea....with red carpet and fanfare.

IanRichardson
04-08-2008, 08:39 AM
no soup or french open for Fed. -.-

perhaps Fed has been playing lately as if playing on clay. Trying to be more loopy with his shots, more topspin, etc... what do you think?

Then there was that match against... Ascuso? where he had 2 distinct Nadal like forehands with the follow through over his head. (there was a thread about this).

I hope he doesn't win the french, but if he does it will be a shame that the shallow field of his no talent *** clown competitors will have walked him into the indisputable greatest player ever status.... like the parting of the red sea....with red carpet and fanfare.

no talent *** clowns... a la office space perhaps :) ?

hyogen
04-08-2008, 09:42 AM
no talent *** clowns... a la office space perhaps :) ?

ding ding ding ding ding ding :D :D :D

ksbh
04-08-2008, 09:57 AM
Unfortunately for Federer, he is operating in the same time as the potentially greatest clay court player of all time. As long as Nadal is in the draw, Federer will not win the French Open.

no soup or french open for Fed. -.-

perhaps Fed has been playing lately as if playing on clay. Trying to be more loopy with his shots, more topspin, etc... what do you think?

Then there was that match against... Ascuso? where he had 2 distinct Nadal like forehands with the follow through over his head. (there was a thread about this).

I hope he doesn't win the french, but if he does it will be a shame that the shallow field of his no talent *** clown competitors will have walked him into the indisputable greatest player ever status.... like the parting of the red sea....with red carpet and fanfare.

fastdunn
04-08-2008, 10:09 AM
federer is unlucky to have nadal. he could have won it a few times by now.

RCCTigertennis
04-08-2008, 12:16 PM
its obvious it goes both ways though, i think nadal is even more unfortunate to have federer! but as we're concerned... we reap the benefits of epic matches!

stormholloway
04-08-2008, 12:22 PM
no soup or french open for Fed. -.-

perhaps Fed has been playing lately as if playing on clay. Trying to be more loopy with his shots, more topspin, etc... what do you think?

Then there was that match against... Ascuso? where he had 2 distinct Nadal like forehands with the follow through over his head. (there was a thread about this).

I hope he doesn't win the french, but if he does it will be a shame that the shallow field of his no talent *** clown competitors will have walked him into the indisputable greatest player ever status.... like the parting of the red sea....with red carpet and fanfare.

Look with all these goons from Spain and Argentina playing if Federer wins the French he deserves every inch of it.

Enough with this Nadal-like forehand nonsense. Federer has been hitting with an overhead finish on occasions for years.

fastdunn
04-08-2008, 12:29 PM
its obvious it goes both ways though, i think nadal is even more unfortunate to have federer! but as we're concerned... we reap the benefits of epic matches!

that's right. it's just the subject of this thread is federer and french open.

Lionheart
04-08-2008, 12:29 PM
To that I will say ,'we'll see'. you are thinking as fan and by virtue of that fact you wont see things that are obvous to others but thats ok. I'm not sure about the glandular fever thing, i wouldnt want to question the legimacy of his claim but i'll tell you this: In 1984 we saw Connors get to the semis of the FO, USO and the final of wimbledon lose in the final of the Davis Cup and the guys in the locker room were noting that JC's shots were losing power the depth on his ground strokes was not what it used to be, ( he even went back to his T2000 in 85, blaming the losses on the new racket that he'd been using since 84) granted JC was 32 at the time but the decline was obvious and he didnt win another main stream event until DC in 88/89. i think then he won again in toulouse and that was the last of his tour titles, the point i'm trying to make is that he was still better than the majority of the players out there but when it got to the quarters or semis thats when he came unstuck and some times he wasn't even losing to superior players mainly it was lendl or mats other times it was a journeyman having an inspired week, much like mardy fish had this past week. RF will win tour events because he is still light years better than most of the guys out there but at the big events where the big guns are is where he'll struggle. So look closely and you'll see what i'm talking about Sampras GS records going to be safe for a while.

Excuse me but how is it obvious that a guy who has been winning 2-3 slams a year, many consective semis and has just reached one while sick, wonīt win another grand slam title?
If you do the probabilities of it happening, they are low. Iīm not itīs impossible, but it is common sense that a player who has demonstrated such regularity over the past 3-4 seasons (without any serious injury) will win another one at least.

And Iīm assuming that you know that a desease like mono even when someone who had it is cured, the fatigue lasts some more months, in a high competitive sport I would say that those effects would be maximized, Federer isnīt superman, you know?

Resuming: Probability of Federer not winning another one - Low
His bad form - due to the effects of the mono, IF not, mr. Tennis player is also allowed to play far from his best for a while, just like any other top pro donīt you think?


Actually on-topic: I hope that if Federer gets to the finals and plays Nadal he wonīt be stubborn and try to beat Rafa at his own game, itīs a fact that he canīt.

RacquetGoesBoom
04-08-2008, 12:29 PM
I don't think nadal wins it again. 4 years in a row is a lot to ask. Either Fed, or some guy who gets hot wins it.

4 years in a row or not, Nadal does play his best on clay. The only way he could lose this year is, like you said, someone gets hot and just topples Nadal.

Besides that, I really see Nadal winning the French this year, and I'm not even a Nadal fan.

Stchamps
04-08-2008, 12:58 PM
Fed's 26 years old. That's still really young if you think about it. Your muscles aren't even fully developed until you are 29ish.

TheTruth
04-08-2008, 01:04 PM
Roger Federer will not win another grand slam event. The cracks started appearing last year and at the masters even he was able to turn things around to take that title, but as far as GS's are concerned he's maxed out. Mens tennis doesn't stand still. He's finding it tough now on the hard stuf wait until he comes up against the clay court masters, he'll struggle to get to the qtrs of Rome, MOnte Carlo, Hamburg etc assuming he plays any of these. As I alluded to in an earlier thread, I palyed the tour in the 80's and 90's and we saw it in Borg as early as the 1980 USO, In mens tennis it only takes a minute drop of your focus for the losses to start piling up. Anyone who knows tennis will know that RFs game is far from impregnable but to his credit he does everything so amazingly well and his mystique's been built largely on his GS success. Nalbandian doesn't fear him and will have more success against him in the future. I'm not a hater of the guy but the evidence is starting to shine thru. I know I'm going to be villified and pilloried by the fans of RF but come september you'll see.

I totally agree. The cracks were visible last year, but many didn't seeing it.
His "aura" won him many matches he should have lost. I don't think the tour will be as generous this year and beyond!

hyogen
04-08-2008, 01:13 PM
indeeeeeed :D

Otherside
04-08-2008, 02:23 PM
I totally agree. The cracks were visible last year, but many didn't seeing it.
His "aura" won him many matches he should have lost. I don't think the tour will be as generous this year and beyond!

aura schmura! If he gets his movement back he will destroy the field again. To do what he has done is amazing. The cracks were absolutely visible last year I agree. But they have to come sometime. No matter how serious you are it's impossible to train harder and harder as long as you are winning everything.
The motivation just can't be there all the time.

His tennis in the -06 us open was out of this world. I almost start laughing when I see his footwork in the blake-/roddick matches. After that he has lost a little for every month that has past. AO-07 was aweome to but after that he hasn't been the same.
When he's healthy again and if he has the motivation he has all the possibilities to get back to that level and if he does he will win slams with or without the aura.

Nadal_Freak
04-08-2008, 02:26 PM
Fed is done and it isn't because of mono. It's because he is done. Some players decline quicker than others and Federer is that type of player.

matchmaker
04-08-2008, 02:30 PM
I actually think that with the form he has shown this year Federer will stand even less of a chance to win RG. And I will make a bold statement: like John McEnroe and Sampras he will NEVER win the FO. It's just not his best playing surface. He has been lucky to get to the final twice. Edberg, Stich were other attacking players who got there but what happened? They lost.

TheTruth
04-08-2008, 03:46 PM
aura schmura! If he gets his movement back he will destroy the field again. To do what he has done is amazing. The cracks were absolutely visible last year I agree. But they have to come sometime. No matter how serious you are it's impossible to train harder and harder as long as you are winning everything.
The motivation just can't be there all the time.

His tennis in the -06 us open was out of this world. I almost start laughing when I see his footwork in the blake-/roddick matches. After that he has lost a little for every month that has past. AO-07 was aweome to but after that he hasn't been the same.
When he's healthy again and if he has the motivation he has all the possibilities to get back to that level and if he does he will win slams with or without the aura.

There was a period where his tennis was awesome, but it really hasn't been for awhile. As far as his health, I don't believe the mono story, illness isn't something that takes a back seat. Mono would have put him down just like everybody else. What will be interesting is seeing how he responds to this new brigade in the coming years. It, to me is the most fascinating part of being a champion, how you handle the fluctuations!

fps
04-08-2008, 03:50 PM
Fed's 26 years old. That's still really young if you think about it. Your muscles aren't even fully developed until you are 29ish.

not for a tennis player it's not. also, you can't build up your joints, and a tennis player's knees take a hell of a pounding. if you're a rugby forward you won't peak til 30-ish probably, but this ain't that kinda game, just gotta look at the ages most players win grand slams to see it.

ExPro1963
04-08-2008, 03:59 PM
aura schmura! If he gets his movement back he will destroy the field again. To do what he has done is amazing. The cracks were absolutely visible last year I agree. But they have to come sometime. No matter how serious you are it's impossible to train harder and harder as long as you are winning everything.
The motivation just can't be there all the time.

His tennis in the -06 us open was out of this world. I almost start laughing when I see his footwork in the blake-/roddick matches. After that he has lost a little for every month that has past. AO-07 was aweome to but after that he hasn't been the same.
When he's healthy again and if he has the motivation he has all the possibilities to get back to that level and if he does he will win slams with or without the aura.

Believe me, as much as you are a fan of RF and you seem to enjoy his game, I'm pretty sure his days of winning GS events are over. Folks point to Sampras going out on a high winning his last USO but one thing that folks/fans forget and that is RF doesnt have the serve that Sampras has. Its that serve that more than any other aspect of his game made him the champ that he was, RF as good as he is simply doesnt have that kind of velocity of the serve, in fact there maybe half a dozen guys out there with serves better than Feds but what those other big servers dont have is his accuracy.
If he never ever wins another slam which i really suspect will be the case, it wont take away from what he's already acheived in the sport, the only glaring omission will be the French and last year was the best and last chance he had of walking away with that particular piece of silverware. So to all of his fans dont feel too downhearted you got to see one of the very best do his thing but as you all should know: 'all good things must come to an end' just ask Borg, Vilas, Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Wilander, Edberg, Becker etc etc

fastswingVD
04-08-2008, 04:14 PM
fernando gonzalez the forehand beast

Morrissey
04-08-2008, 04:40 PM
Believe me, as much as you are a fan of RF and you seem to enjoy his game, I'm pretty sure his days of winning GS events are over. Folks point to Sampras going out on a high winning his last USO but one thing that folks/fans forget and that is RF doesnt have the serve that Sampras has. Its that serve that more than any other aspect of his game made him the champ that he was, RF as good as he is simply doesnt have that kind of velocity of the serve, in fact there maybe half a dozen guys out there with serves better than Feds but what those other big servers dont have is his accuracy.
If he never ever wins another slam which i really suspect will be the case, it wont take away from what he's already acheived in the sport, the only glaring omission will be the French and last year was the best and last chance he had of walking away with that particular piece of silverware. So to all of his fans dont feel too downhearted you got to see one of the very best do his thing but as you all should know: 'all good things must come to an end' just ask Borg, Vilas, Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Wilander, Edberg, Becker etc etc

I agree with you and I think you make very valid points. If he keeps playing like this he won't win anything this year and will very likely miss out on #1. But people here are defensive and angry about that being a realistic possibility. They dismiss it as trolling. I post the current ATP Champions Race and they say that it was a bad post. Why? Because it shows Fed in the 6th spot? I guess if he were #1 on the race they wouldn't have had a problem with it. BTW, is it ok if I ask which ex-pro you were during the 80's? I'm curious.

hyogen
04-08-2008, 04:43 PM
I agree with you and I think you make very valid points. If he keeps playing like this he won't win anything this year and will very likely miss out on #1. But people here are defensive and angry about that being a realistic possibility. They dismiss it as trolling. I post the current ATP Champions Race and they say that it was a bad post. Why? Because it shows Fed in the 6th spot? I guess if he were #1 on the race they wouldn't have had a problem with it. BTW, is it ok if I ask which ex-pro you were during the 80's? I'm curious.

i am curious too. wasn't it in the 60s? looking at his screenname.

ExPro1963
04-08-2008, 04:51 PM
I agree with you and I think you make very valid points. If he keeps playing like this he won't win anything this year and will very likely miss out on #1. But people here are defensive and angry about that being a realistic possibility. They dismiss it as trolling. I post the current ATP Champions Race and they say that it was a bad post. Why? Because it shows Fed in the 6th spot? I guess if he were #1 on the race they wouldn't have had a problem with it. BTW, is it ok if I ask which ex-pro you were during the 80's? I'm curious.

tut tut, anonymity is the opertative word here folks. I'll tell you that i wasnt a journeyman pro I was top 35 between 82 and 87 and stopped playing in 91. I never went past the 3rd round of any GS but I won a handful of lesser atp tour level events, and the onlybtime i had to play the Q's was when i started out in 81 and 6 or 7 in 91 when i stopped playing.

daddy
04-08-2008, 04:54 PM
To that I will say ,'we'll see'. you are thinking as fan and by virtue of that fact you wont see things that are obvous to others but thats ok. I'm not sure about the glandular fever thing, i wouldnt want to question the legimacy of his claim but i'll tell you this: In 1984 we saw Connors get to the semis of the FO, USO and the final of wimbledon lose in the final of the Davis Cup and the guys in the locker room were noting that JC's shots were losing power the depth on his ground strokes was not what it used to be, ( he even went back to his T2000 in 85, blaming the losses on the new racket that he'd been using since 84) granted JC was 32 at the time but the decline was obvious and he didnt win another main stream event until DC in 88/89. i think then he won again in toulouse and that was the last of his tour titles, the point i'm trying to make is that he was still better than the majority of the players out there but when it got to the quarters or semis thats when he came unstuck and some times he wasn't even losing to superior players mainly it was lendl or mats other times it was a journeyman having an inspired week, much like mardy fish had this past week. RF will win tour events because he is still light years better than most of the guys out there but at the big events where the big guns are is where he'll struggle. So look closely and you'll see what i'm talking about Sampras GS records going to be safe for a while.


Your point makes some sense but as it is every tome you try to compre past to present there are a few or more flaws. Firsat of all, although his form is on a down and his movement is slower, this does not mean it is a natural decline - it is maybe due to his illness. Second I do think that although you provided great facts here *as I did when comparing many players and especially Sampras to Federer - most of them won their GS's before the 27 year old mark* this is not a concrete proof of what is to come. If you look at the past to conclude about the present remember Agassi ( granted a very much different player to Federer ) who had his slump and went out not to lose a few matches but out of top 100 to return in great style and play 10 more years of great tennis including finishing a complete slam. Just my 2 cents.

daddy
04-08-2008, 04:57 PM
Fed's 26 years old. That's still really young if you think about it. Your muscles aren't even fully developed until you are 29ish.

Think again about what you wrote, your mnuscles have nothing to do with the speed overall and speed of your footwork as well as your reflexes and stamina, so needed for tennis. This is not bodybuilding where people are considered juniors at 27. Btw you can safely say 27 rather than 26 for fed, he is closer to that mark ;)

drakulie
04-08-2008, 05:01 PM
I'm pretty sure his days of winning GS events are over.

Fed just won (decisively) the year-end championships a few months ago. I highly doubt it is "over" for him.

Folks point to Sampras going out on a high winning his last USO but one thing that folks/fans forget and that is RF doesnt have the serve that Sampras has. Its that serve that more than any other aspect of his game made him the champ that he was, RF as good as he is simply doesnt have that kind of velocity of the serve,

You are **WAY** off base here. Although I agree Sampras' serve is far superior to Feds, the velocity of the two is the same. Sampras never had the fastest serve when he played, and averaged in the high teens (just like Fed).

ExPro1963
04-08-2008, 05:02 PM
Your point makes some sense but as it is every tome you try to compre past to present there are a few or more flaws. Firsat of all, although his form is on a down and his movement is slower, this does not mean it is a natural decline - it is maybe due to his illness. Second I do think that although you provided great facts here *as I did when comparing many players and especially Sampras to Federer - most of them won their GS's before the 27 year old mark* this is not a concrete proof of what is to come. If you look at the past to conclude about the present remember Agassi ( granted a very much different player to Federer ) who had his slump and went out not to lose a few matches but out of top 100 to return in great style and play 10 more years of great tennis including finishing a complete slam. Just my 2 cents.

Lets come back to this in september after the USO. Without meaning to disrespect you and your opinion but in order to understand where i'm coming from you need to have experienced it yourself. Friendly debate is always welcome without some of the nastiness i read on here but if come september i'm wrong and RF has won 2 of the 3 remaining slams then i will wholeheartedly apologise to all his fans, however i dont think i'll be wrong on this occasion. Lets touch base in september and we'll compare notes.

daddy
04-08-2008, 05:07 PM
Fed is about equal on all surfaces. He's been lucky not to have to face a lot of grass court specialists. He is the same as on hardcourts. It's just that everyone else is better on that surface.

I would like to correct this one a bot also. I know you being a passionate nadal fan this can be forgiven to you, but Federer dismissed all of his oponents in last 4 years except nadal. Many of whom were hc/grass court/clay court specialists. So he did face them allright, but he beat them fair and square.

Back on topic - OP :

I do think Federer stand absolutely no chance of gettnig close to winning this years FO. Regarded as his worst surface ( surely he was the 2nd best even on his worst surface ), slow and spin loving clay never suited his shotmaking style. He was so out of this world that his shotmaking and movement were so good - it was almost enough for him to win 3 RG's ... if there was not a man named Rafael. He got the better of Federer when it mattered.

These days with him being 1/2 steps slower, not so confident and phisically prepared and with Nadal being in what seems to be his top ever form and injury free, it does seem likely he would take out Federer in straights, providing the guy even makes it far. Do not forget competition on hc seems to be tough these days because we know all these guys. There are as much if not more - clay court specialists, who relish the chance to beat the shaken world nr1.

daddy
04-08-2008, 05:11 PM
Lets come back to this in september after the USO. Without meaning to disrespect you and your opinion but in order to understand where i'm coming from you need to have experienced it yourself. Friendly debate is always welcome without some of the nastiness i read on here but if come september i'm wrong and RF has won 2 of the 3 remaining slams then i will wholeheartedly apologise to all his fans, however i dont think i'll be wrong on this occasion. Lets touch base in september and we'll compare notes.

Hey, no harm done. I do respect every poster with no regard of whom he is. I just provided a different look on things. What I think is the biggest difference is that you think he has none left whereas I think he has a great shot at Wimbledon only. I do not seriously see him challanging FO at all, as I wrote, as for the USO - hardly, very hardly. Wimbledon however is problematic due to the pressure he will have ( 6th title thing, not in form etc. ) but he surely did not forget to play tennis and his is the best suited for grass. This is the basis of why I think he has a chance there.

ExPro1963
04-08-2008, 05:12 PM
Fed just won (decisively) the year-end championships a few months ago. I highly doubt it is "over" for him.



You are **WAY** off base here. Although I agree Sampras' serve is far superior to Feds, the velocity of the two is the same. Sampras never had the fastest serve when he played, and averaged in the high teens (just like Fed).

To know what I'm talking about you'd have had to have faced at least one of them. I first had a look at Sampras serve when he was I think 17/18 YEARS OLD at queens club in 1989 and even at that age he could sling it all the pros were in awe of his delivery, Garry Muller went up to him and told him that if he didn't get to the top of the game in 2/3 years there'd be something wrong, annacone was there at the time as the two were playing dubs that year and he told GM not to put too much pressure on the kid. in those days Sampras hardly spoke he'd just look at the ground with his tongue hanging out. I never faced RF serve but i've been present at his practice sessions many times and i can tell you, forget about what you see on tv or read in the mags, sampras had the bigger serve.

Morrissey
04-08-2008, 05:15 PM
Lets come back to this in september after the USO. Without meaning to disrespect you and your opinion but in order to understand where i'm coming from you need to have experienced it yourself. Friendly debate is always welcome without some of the nastiness i read on here but if come september i'm wrong and RF has won 2 of the 3 remaining slams then i will wholeheartedly apologise to all his fans, however i dont think i'll be wrong on this occasion. Lets touch base in september and we'll compare notes.

Well said. I've said it before, he's not winning any slams if he keeps playing like he has this year. But it's hard to think that he won't win any slam for the rest of his career. He's too good to just fall off like that. But I'm sure no one thought back in 1993 that Courier would never win a slam again after his AO win. Especially considering he made 3 of the slam 4 finals that year. For the record you think Fed will finish the year #1?

zagor
04-08-2008, 05:17 PM
Believe me, as much as you are a fan of RF and you seem to enjoy his game, I'm pretty sure his days of winning GS events are over. Folks point to Sampras going out on a high winning his last USO but one thing that folks/fans forget and that is RF doesnt have the serve that Sampras has. Its that serve that more than any other aspect of his game made him the champ that he was, RF as good as he is simply doesnt have that kind of velocity of the serve, in fact there maybe half a dozen guys out there with serves better than Feds but what those other big servers dont have is his accuracy.
If he never ever wins another slam which i really suspect will be the case, it wont take away from what he's already acheived in the sport, the only glaring omission will be the French and last year was the best and last chance he had of walking away with that particular piece of silverware. So to all of his fans dont feel too downhearted you got to see one of the very best do his thing but as you all should know: 'all good things must come to an end' just ask Borg, Vilas, Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Wilander, Edberg, Becker etc etc

Even though I'm a Fed fan I'll admit that what you said is a possibility even though it's unlikely IMO but it does seem to me that you have a little bias against Federer.I mean it's one thing to say that he won't be dominating the game again and will fall from number one but to say that he won't win any slam at all till the rest of his career? If he lost in the third or second round in AO I'd maybe understand but he lost in the semifinal to an eventual winner,so he may not end the year at number one as Nadal is breathing hard down his neck but he has atleast a few slams left in my opinion.Somehing I don't understand as well is that you said we can't compare Federer to Sampras in saying that he'll still win slams but then you go and compare him to Borg?.I hope you are a man of your word so if Federer wins another slam you will come here to admit you're wrong.

daddy
04-08-2008, 05:17 PM
Well said. I've said it before, he's not winning any slams if he keeps playing like he has this year. But it's hard to think that he won't win any slam for the rest of his career. He's too good to just fall off like that. But I'm sure no one thought back in 1993 that Courier would never win a slam again after his AO win. Especially considering he made 3 of the slam 4 finals that year.

I am personally waiting for Wimbledon. I know he has pulled of some miracles there and if he is tp prove capable for winning I want him to take out a couple good grass courters there, Roddick, Ancic, Hewitt or anyone else good on grass. His place in world of tennis will be won or lost there.

Ps - it is hard to believe he can play badly through the whole year, this is why I think he has more slams in him. Remains to be seen though.

daddy
04-08-2008, 05:21 PM
To know what I'm talking about you'd have had to have faced at least one of them....

Once again - this time from me, no disrespect but I would be really interested to hear about upcoming ( soon ) clay court season. Pick your picks now and tell me ( us ) who do you rate to be up there with Nadal. Djokovic ? Davydenko ? Ferrer ? Who is that other guy who will maybe feature in the final if Federer is not there, who will pose a threat in Europe on red clay this year ?

Asking this because I do not have to wait until late this year to see if you are credible. ;)

drakulie
04-08-2008, 05:23 PM
To know what I'm talking about you'd have had to have faced at least one of them.

Makes no difference who you or I have faced. If Sampras hits a 120 serve, and Fed hits a 120 mph serve>>> they are both **120 MPH**.

It's like saying "What weighs more? A pound of feathers or a pound of gold??""

Answer: They are the same. They both weigh a pound.

Like I previously stated, FACT:: Sampras never in his entire career had the fastest serve in the game. Ever. Nothing you could say will ever change that. The velocity on the Federer and Sampras serve is about the same, so you saying Fed doesn't have Sampras' velocity is plain wrong.

zagor
04-08-2008, 05:25 PM
Once again - this time from me, no disrespect but I would be really interested to hear about upcoming ( soon ) clay court season. Pick your picks now and tell me ( us ) who do you rate to be up there with Nadal. Djokovic ? Davydenko ? Ferrer ? Who is that other guy who will maybe feature in the final if Federer is not there, who will pose a threat in Europe on red clay this year ?

Asking this because I do not have to wait until late this year to see if you are credible. ;)

Yes,ask him to look at his crystal ball so we can all place bets.

ExPro1963
04-08-2008, 05:28 PM
Even though I'm a Fed fan I'll admit that what you said is a possibility even though it's unlikely IMO but it does seem to me that you have a little bias against Federer.I mean it's one thing to say that he won't be dominating the game again and will fall from number one but to say that he won't win any slam at all till the rest of his career? If he lost in the third or second round in AO I'd maybe understand but he lost in the semifinal to an eventual winner,so he may not end the year at number one as Nadal is breathing hard down his neck but he has atleast a few slams left in my opinion.Somehing I don't understand as well is that you said we can't compare Federer to Sampras in saying that he'll still win slams but then you go and compare him to Borg?.I hope you are a man of your word so if Federer wins another slam you will come here to admit you're wrong.

oh if I'm wrong I'll be on here and I will apologise to you all i hve NO problem with that. The only comparison to Borg was the decline and how we saw it coming way earlier, the thing that seems to be prevalent here is the the majority of posters seem to vew it as almost a sacriledge to suggest thta RF wont win big again. I understand that his previous excellence makes the thought of him not winning big ever again a little hard to takebut what needs to be understood is that the rest of the tennis world will not be sitting around waiting for his 'mono' to clear up or for him to get his footwork sorted as one or two posters have alluded to. Thas what folks need to understand, mens tennis does not stagnate. I happen to like RF, I like way he plays, the way he constructs point and wins games BUT he does show an alarming unwillingness to alter a losing game. I've always felt that in the FO finals against Nadal, had he served / vollyed more he'd be a 2 time FO winner and i think he would have clearly sealed his place as the greatest. ( well until my son turns pro:o)

daddy
04-08-2008, 05:30 PM
Yes,ask him to look at his crystal ball so we can all place bets.

Well if you claim you are expro I will not take it for granted. If you are you should know more than me. If you even claim you know omre then me, give me insight in the red clay season coming up. I did not say pick ONE winner. I said let me know about your thoughts on the upcoming red clay season and which players may feature as a major threats besodes the obvious one. Hell I can tell you this, but I can surely not back it up as a pro would. So ask a pro, why not ?

Ps - you better get paid if you go around defending people. Otherwise its a lousy thing to do.

ExPro1963
04-08-2008, 05:33 PM
Makes no difference who you or I have faced. If Sampras hits a 120 serve, and Fed hits a 120 mph serve>>> they are both **120 MPH**.

It's like saying "What weighs more? A pound of feathers or a pound of gold??""

Answer: They are the same. They both weigh a pound.

Like I previously stated, FACT:: Sampras never in his entire career had the fastest serve in the game. Ever. Nothing you could say will ever change that. The velocity on the Federer and Sampras serve is about the same, so you saying Fed doesn't have Sampras' velocity is plain wrong.

Okay no biggie. Keep on posting.

daddy
04-08-2008, 05:35 PM
Makes no difference who you or I have faced. If Sampras hits a 120 serve, and Fed hits a 120 mph serve>>> they are both **120 MPH**.

It's like saying "What weighs more? A pound of feathers or a pound of gold??""

Answer: They are the same. They both weigh a pound.

Like I previously stated, FACT:: Sampras never in his entire career had the fastest serve in the game. Ever. Nothing you could say will ever change that. The velocity on the Federer and Sampras serve is about the same, so you saying Fed doesn't have Sampras' velocity is plain wrong.

I think you are caught up in the speed talk way too much. Federer's serve is big no question about that. Maybe I am biased towards Pete but his was just to my liking, IMO maybe bigger. The big question when comparing serve is not only speed but as you surely know placement and spin and of course variety. I feel they are both up there, and the only reason why I said Pete's serve is MAYBE bigger - is because I feel the service in 90's and today is hardly comparable. You face a different bunch of people and different style of tennis so it really does a lot to your serve and its effects.

Conclusion - this part of the discussion in highly subjective.

drakulie
04-08-2008, 05:36 PM
Okay no biggie. Keep on posting.

Don't get upset because I corrected you.

ExPro1963
04-08-2008, 05:40 PM
Once again - this time from me, no disrespect but I would be really interested to hear about upcoming ( soon ) clay court season. Pick your picks now and tell me ( us ) who do you rate to be up there with Nadal. Djokovic ? Davydenko ? Ferrer ? Who is that other guy who will maybe feature in the final if Federer is not there, who will pose a threat in Europe on red clay this year ?

Asking this because I do not have to wait until late this year to see if you are credible. ;)

I dont have all the answers but the ones you've mentioned are sort of obvious but my pick? David Nalbandian. If he goes into the FO fit with no injuries watch him. People always look at his physique and write him off but cast your minds back to the end of last year when he was fit and injury free, look at the damege he did then.

zagor
04-08-2008, 05:42 PM
Well if you claim you are expro I will not take it for granted. If you are you should know more than me. If you even claim you know omre then me, give me insight in the red clay season coming up. I did not say pick ONE winner. I said let me know about your thoughts on the upcoming red clay season and which players may feature as a major threats besodes the obvious one. Hell I can tell you this, but I can surely not back it up as a pro would. So ask a pro, why not ?

Ps - you better get paid if you go around defending people. Otherwise its a lousy thing to do.

I don't really feel that this guy is lying but then again this is internet,I could tell you I'm Chuck Liddell if I wanted.If he is what he says he is I'm sure he could give you some good betting picks.Also,lawyery is not really my thing I'm just passionate about my favourite tennis player just as some people are passionate about their favourite soccer clubs.

drakulie
04-08-2008, 05:42 PM
^^^LOL. Nalbandian??? He has a huge serve. :roll:

ExPro1963
04-08-2008, 05:43 PM
Don't get upset because I corrected you.
You misunderstand, i'm not upset at all. everyone has an opinion and thats the way i view it, i'm fine really I am but thanks for consoling me:o)

daddy
04-08-2008, 05:44 PM
I dont have all the answers but the ones you've mentioned are sort of obvious but my pick? David Nalbandian. If he goes into the FO fit with no injuries watch him. People always look at his physique and write him off but cast your minds back to the end of last year when he was fit and injury free, look at the damege he did then.

He was great in juniors, took one GS back then ( 1998 if I remember well ), was amasing in 2002 going deep everywhere, took The Masters '05, he is there for more less 6 years with ups and downs. Thanks for the reply, he could be the one though this year does not seem to be his best so far. Anyways I do not expect you to have all the answers but I just wanted your thoughts.

Moose Malloy
04-08-2008, 05:44 PM
tut tut, anonymity is the opertative word here folks. I'll tell you that i wasnt a journeyman pro I was top 35 between 82 and 87 and stopped playing in 91. I never went past the 3rd round of any GS but I won a handful of lesser atp tour level events, and the onlybtime i had to play the Q's was when i started out in 81 and 6 or 7 in 91 when i stopped playing.

and how did you do in doubles? are you american? would you let me guess who you are:)

I mean it's one thing to say that he won't be dominating the game again and will fall from number one but to say that he won't win any slam at all till the rest of his career? If he lost in the third or second round in AO I'd maybe understand but he lost in the semifinal to an eventual winner,so he may not end the year at number one as Nadal is breathing hard down his neck but he has atleast a few slams left in my opinion.Somehing I don't understand as well is that you said we can't compare Federer to Sampras in saying that he'll still win slams but then you go and compare him to Borg?.

Well, I don't agree with him either, but I can understand his reasoning. Fed is basically a baseliner & rallies today are quite long, so if Fed really has lost a step, it could be pretty darn hard to win another slam, he can't just ace his way to victory like Sampras.
And part of me can't see him beating Djokovic in a best of 5 hardcourt match again, the age gap is pretty big. Maybe if Fed could serve 25+ aces vs him, but don't think he can.
The question for the future is, can he still beat most of the other top guys from the baseline? Like Ex Pro said, Fed is very stubborn, I doubt he is really committed to coming to net more than like 20 times in a match.

And like daddy said, Wimbledon is key. So few can really play on grass & he is the man there, if he loses there(which I can't see frankly) then I think there may be a slight possibility in ExPro being right.

Makes no difference who you or I have faced. If Sampras hits a 120 serve, and Fed hits a 120 mph serve>>> they are both **120 MPH**.


You don't think radar guns have changed? Davydenko hit a few 130 serves on Sunday that looked like a Hingis serve compared to Noah & Becker's serves in the 80s, who never hit 130 mph I believe, & yet they still made linesman duck for cover regularly. And then there's Agassi who miraculously increased mph on his pedestrian serve in his mid 30s.

Plus look at how high Sampras's aces hit on the backstop when he hits aces compared to Fed's aces. Fed himself also says that Sampras has more velocity than him(even today), its not like an insult to Fed or something.

But it's hard to think that he won't win any slam for the rest of his career.

I think Cliff Drysale said Wilander wouldn't win another slam after he lost early at '89 AO(after his 3 slam season of '88) It's all about Fed's movement, let's see if its the mono or something else.

zagor
04-08-2008, 05:44 PM
oh if I'm wrong I'll be on here and I will apologise to you all i hve NO problem with that. The only comparison to Borg was the decline and how we saw it coming way earlier, the thing that seems to be prevalent here is the the majority of posters seem to vew it as almost a sacriledge to suggest thta RF wont win big again. I understand that his previous excellence makes the thought of him not winning big ever again a little hard to takebut what needs to be understood is that the rest of the tennis world will not be sitting around waiting for his 'mono' to clear up or for him to get his footwork sorted as one or two posters have alluded to. Thas what folks need to understand, mens tennis does not stagnate. I happen to like RF, I like way he plays, the way he constructs point and wins games BUT he does show an alarming unwillingness to alter a losing game. I've always felt that in the FO finals against Nadal, had he served / vollyed more he'd be a 2 time FO winner and i think he would have clearly sealed his place as the greatest. ( well until my son turns pro:o)

No problem man.It's not sacrilege to say that Federer is done chasing Pete's record,it's just a bold statement so you should expect some heat here.I do admit that your theory is a possibility,I just disagree with it.Time will tell who is right.

daddy
04-08-2008, 05:45 PM
I don't really feel that this guy is lying but then again this is internet,I could tell you I'm Chuck Liddell if I wanted.If he is what he says he is I'm sure he could give you some good betting picks.Also,lawyery is not really my thing I'm just passionate about my favourite tennis player just as some people are passionate about their favourite soccer clubs.

I seem to be defending your favourite player, gimme some credit ! :)

TheTruth
04-08-2008, 05:46 PM
oh if I'm wrong I'll be on here and I will apologise to you all i hve NO problem with that. The only comparison to Borg was the decline and how we saw it coming way earlier, the thing that seems to be prevalent here is the the majority of posters seem to vew it as almost a sacriledge to suggest thta RF wont win big again. I understand that his previous excellence makes the thought of him not winning big ever again a little hard to takebut what needs to be understood is that the rest of the tennis world will not be sitting around waiting for his 'mono' to clear up or for him to get his footwork sorted as one or two posters have alluded to. Thas what folks need to understand, mens tennis does not stagnate. I happen to like RF, I like way he plays, the way he constructs point and wins games BUT he does show an alarming unwillingness to alter a losing game. I've always felt that in the FO finals against Nadal, had he served / vollyed more he'd be a 2 time FO winner and i think he would have clearly sealed his place as the greatest. ( well until my son turns pro:o)

That is so true! And pointing out the things you see doesn't make you a hater. It simply means you see things differently!

drakulie
04-08-2008, 05:49 PM
You misunderstand, i'm not upset at all. everyone has an opinion and thats the way i view it, i'm fine really I am but thanks for consoling me:o)

Uhmmm, what I stated is not an opinion>> it is a fact. I'll post it again in case you missed it::

In his entire career, Sampras never had the fastest serve on the tour. Flipper, Krajicek, Stich, Becker, Goran, Mirnyi, etc all had faster serves than him.

zagor
04-08-2008, 05:50 PM
I seem to be defending your favourite player, gimme some credit ! :)

LOL,it's nice to see you on Roger's side this time but if Djokovic wins another slam this year be prepared to defend him from angry Fed trolls here:).

daddy
04-08-2008, 05:50 PM
I will add one more thing here. Finally a discussion with a few people not sharing the same opinion but pointing out their views and backing them up with their reasons. I did not witness such a fruitfull discussion here since I joined ..

drakulie
04-08-2008, 05:52 PM
Plus look at how high Sampras's aces hit on the backstop when he hits aces compared to Fed's aces.

It's called spin.

And yes, I do think the radar guns are a bit inflated these days.

daddy
04-08-2008, 05:53 PM
LOL,it's nice to see you on Roger's side this time but if Djokovic wins another slam this year be prepared to defend him from angry Fed trolls here:).

Well maybe we are a bit blinded by his run of great results but it is really hard to expect him not to win any slams anymore. I mean we all make mistakes, even if Federer is to take the Wimbledon and this is to be his last GS I think the expro comments can be considered spot on. But this is somethign we have to wait for at least a few years to confirm.

ExPro1963
04-08-2008, 05:53 PM
I will add one more thing here. Finally a discussion with a few people not sharing the same opinion but pointing out their views and backing them up with their reasons. I did not witness such a fruitfull discussion here since I joined ..

And that, my friend is all down to me LOL!!

daddy
04-08-2008, 05:56 PM
And that, my friend is all down to me LOL!!

You will be able to bet with Rickson on the claims you made. I am sure he will accept a bet that Fed will not win this years wimby .. ;)

Anyways Moose and Zagor always think before they post and post very well, Drakulie also, but he is a bit more biased. But we all are sometimes. I am just amased none of the trolls showed up, thats what made me happy.

TheTruth
04-08-2008, 05:57 PM
No problem man.It's not sacrilege to say that Federer is done chasing Pete's record,it's just a bold statement so you should expect some heat here.I do admit that your theory is a possibility,I just disagree with it.Time will tell who is right.

Ahh, maturity! It's so refreshing to find a fan who is so fair and objective. Whether I agree with your position or not, it's pretty hard not to respect you as a poster!

ExPro1963
04-08-2008, 05:57 PM
Well maybe we are a bit blinded by his run of great results but it is really hard to expect him not to win any slams anymore. I mean we all make mistakes, even if Federer is to take the Wimbledon and this is to be his last GS I think the expro comments can be considered spot on. But this is somethign we have to wait for at least a few years to confirm. Becasue i've had such with this discussion let me share this with you guys a word of warning fans of Jimmy Connors: dont be offended,

I'll tell you something that you folks probably dont know about Connors and lendl, on court in the early years connors was the man and it showed but as lendls game started to flower ( as much as Lendls game could) the relality was off court, Connors was scared of Lendl. during a semi final match at the london indoor in 1984, there was a verbal altercation between the two, when it got back to the locker room, lendl was walking around in adidas warm up pants, his tennis shoes and nothing else he was carrying a racket in his hand and every time he walk past connors he'd slap the racket against his own leg and smile at connors. he did this a few times, grinning broader each time and the other players in room was watching what was going on and watching connors reaction and he just stood at his locker folding and unfolding this one towel about fifty times and nervously looking over his should every time Lendl walked by and slapped his leg with the racket, finally andres gomes told lendl to knock it off and lendl still smiling walked up to connors and stood behind him for a second or two then smashed and broke the racket on the ground directly behind connors, left it on the floor and went back to his locker whistling. Jimmy went on to beat lendl in the final of tokyo that year and that was the last time Connors ever won.

Nadal_Freak
04-08-2008, 05:58 PM
Fed will never win the French Open. Just face it Fed fans.

drakulie
04-08-2008, 06:00 PM
Drakulie also, but he is a bit more biased.

How am I being biased in this thread. I already agreed with him that Sampras had the far superior serve. I'm just stating the fatcs. Fed and Sampras both have about the same serve speed. How is that bias??

If anything, Expro is being biased stating Fed doesn't have the same velocity as Sampras, which is innacurate.

Furthermore, stating nalbandian, which compared to Fed is well past his prime, has a chance at the French, and fed doesn't. :roll:

daddy
04-08-2008, 06:06 PM
How am I being biased in this thread. I already agreed with him that Sampras had the far superior serve. I'm just stating the fatcs. Fed and Sampras both have about the same serve speed. How is that bias??

If anything, Expro is being biased stating Fed doesn't have the same velocity as Sampras, which is innacurate.

Furthermore, stating nalbandian, which compared to Fed is well past his prime, has a chance at the French, and fed doesn't. :roll:

I was really talking about in general not this thread. That was a compliment so take it as that. ;)

As for the Nalbandian/Federer thing Nalband is one year younger for what its worth and has the best h2h with him apart from Nadal. He is a great tennis player, it is not unheard of that he can be good on clay. I picked the obvious guys so he picked Nalband.

fastdunn
04-08-2008, 06:18 PM
Radar gun changed and measuring point changed (from middle to closer to server now).

radar gun now probably register about 10 mph higher.

Federer's serving pace is nowhere near great servers of 90's including Becker, Krajicek, Ivanisvich, Stich, Sampras...

edmondsm
04-08-2008, 07:10 PM
Well said. I've said it before, he's not winning any slams if he keeps playing like he has this year. But it's hard to think that he won't win any slam for the rest of his career. He's too good to just fall off like that. But I'm sure no one thought back in 1993 that Courier would never win a slam again after his AO win. Especially considering he made 3 of the slam 4 finals that year. For the record you think Fed will finish the year #1?

Federer is no Jim Courier. Courier's bruising style of play eventually took its toll on his body. Federer is smooth as silk, and he's won 12 slams doing it. He's just fallen off form for the first time in 5 years. I'd be really suprised if he didn't get his form back this year.

Morrissey
04-08-2008, 08:47 PM
Federer is no Jim Courier. Courier's bruising style of play eventually took its toll on his body. Federer is smooth as silk, and he's won 12 slams doing it. He's just fallen off form for the first time in 5 years. I'd be really suprised if he didn't get his form back this year.

Or could it have been that terrible backhand and his lack of good defensive abilities when he wasn't in control of the rally. Just a thought.

Nadal_Freak
04-08-2008, 08:49 PM
More like Courier's bruising work ethic. He burned himself out I believe.

edmondsm
04-08-2008, 08:51 PM
Or could it have been that terrible backhand and his lack of good defensive abilities when he wasn't in control of the rally. Just a thought.

Those things didn't effect him when he was winning slams. It wasn't until his body wouldn't allow him to run around forehands for hours on end that his results suffered. Like I said, his game was bruising and thus had a short shelf life. Federer doesn't have this problem. Next question?

Morrissey
04-08-2008, 08:52 PM
How am I being biased in this thread. I already agreed with him that Sampras had the far superior serve. I'm just stating the fatcs. Fed and Sampras both have about the same serve speed. How is that bias??

If anything, Expro is being biased stating Fed doesn't have the same velocity as Sampras, which is innacurate.

Furthermore, stating nalbandian, which compared to Fed is well past his prime, has a chance at the French, and fed doesn't. :roll:

I think he's alluding to that fact that Sampras relied more on his serve to take away the grind of long rallies in his matches. Fed uses his serve in a more strategic way, to set up certain rallies, or to get out of breakpoints. But he doesn't tend to use it from beginning to end as a weapon to avoid rallies like Sampras did. He didn't have the biggest serve but he certainly had the biggest second serve and he tried his best to make sure he got the ace or an easy volley putaway. As for Nalbandian, I fear him and Davydenko the most going into the FO as a Nadal fan. Those guys can get hot and they have solid 2 handed backhands that can change direction well and not break down like Fed's backhand. I worry about them going into the French.

edmondsm
04-08-2008, 08:55 PM
More like Courier's bruising work ethic. He burned himself out I believe.

That's the consensus. If you look at Courier play he is obviously not a superior physical specemine like a Federer, Nadal, Sampras, etc...He worked his way to world class tennis. An average body can only keep that up for so long.

teneighty
04-08-2008, 11:03 PM
Fed will never win the French Open. Just face it Fed fans.

Kind of like how Nadal will never win the US Open or Australia? Dude what's your problem? Every thread I see you in you are just so disrespectful and arrogant.

I'm trying to guess your age and it has to be between 13-16 because of the way you talk and constantly harp on Federer fans as if they are idiots, or "*******s" as you like to call them. Seriosuly dude, grow up and get a clue.

If you think people are stupid for liking a kind, graceful player who has won sportsman of the year 4 times in a row... then I suggest that you might be the "moron," or maybe a *********.

I like Nadal, too.. but come on. Grow up.

stormholloway
04-08-2008, 11:06 PM
How am I being biased in this thread. I already agreed with him that Sampras had the far superior serve. I'm just stating the fatcs. Fed and Sampras both have about the same serve speed. How is that bias??

If anything, Expro is being biased stating Fed doesn't have the same velocity as Sampras, which is innacurate.

Furthermore, stating nalbandian, which compared to Fed is well past his prime, has a chance at the French, and fed doesn't. :roll:

Dunno man, I'd say Sampras' serve was considerably faster. In their only meeting, Sampras was hitting them about 10 mph faster.

Also, did Becker really hit it harder than Sampras? Because Becker once said his fastest was about 135 (which does seem low to me), and Sampras hit that quite often.

fastdunn
04-09-2008, 12:30 AM
About 7 games into 1st set of Wimbledon 2001 match of Sampras vs Federer:

Average serve speed:
Sampras - 1st: 125 mph, 2nd 110 mph
Federer - 1st: 116 mph, 2nd 96 mph

Just look at the motion, this should be obvious.

Add 5-10 mph for today's speed gun and measuring points. .

illkhiboy
04-09-2008, 01:11 AM
You will be able to bet with Rickson on the claims you made. I am sure he will accept a bet that Fed will not win this years wimby .. ;)

Anyways Moose and Zagor always think before they post and post very well, Drakulie also, but he is a bit more biased. But we all are sometimes. I am just amased none of the trolls showed up, thats what made me happy.

Yeah! This has been a fun thread to read...save troll comments like these:

Fed will never win the French Open. Just face it Fed fans.

l_gonzalez
04-09-2008, 02:29 AM
tut tut, anonymity is the opertative word here folks. I'll tell you that i wasnt a journeyman pro I was top 35 between 82 and 87 and stopped playing in 91. I never went past the 3rd round of any GS but I won a handful of lesser atp tour level events, and the onlybtime i had to play the Q's was when i started out in 81 and 6 or 7 in 91 when i stopped playing.

I think i figured out who you are...

IanRichardson
04-09-2008, 06:21 AM
I have a bet for you ex pro, it is a friendly one just for fun.

You seem certain that fed will never win another slam, and I will tell you that is a gutsy claim and I respect you for making it.

Here are the terms of my bet to you.

If fed wins any of the slams for the rest of this year you tell the people on TTW which former pro you are, with proof (in the form of a video if possible of you playing).

So you are now asking, what if fed doesnt win another slam this year, what will this guy do? I will go ahead now and admit I am not good at tennis. I play 3.0 USTA tournaments. So, if I lose the bet I will post a video of how awful I am at tennis for people to criticize/ make fun of. If you can't imagine the humiliation associated with this, just listen to the criticism some posters here give to pros, It would be ugly.

This is all in good fun, and if you don't wish to take my bet I respect you all the same, your choice, just throwing it out there.

and in regards to the thread I just thought of something... Roddick '06. Terrible start of the year, played a hell of a match in the US open final at the end of the year. Federer is a better player than roddick, so calling it done for him is really ballsy.

Nadal_Freak
04-09-2008, 08:39 AM
Kind of like how Nadal will never win the US Open or Australia? Dude what's your problem? Every thread I see you in you are just so disrespectful and arrogant.

I'm trying to guess your age and it has to be between 13-16 because of the way you talk and constantly harp on Federer fans as if they are idiots, or "*******s" as you like to call them. Seriosuly dude, grow up and get a clue.

If you think people are stupid for liking a kind, graceful player who has won sportsman of the year 4 times in a row... then I suggest that you might be the "moron," or maybe a *********.

I like Nadal, too.. but come on. Grow up.
I'm 25 and I'll speak what I feel like speaking. LOL at the graceful comment. :lol:

Otherside
04-09-2008, 10:23 AM
Lets come back to this in september after the USO. Without meaning to disrespect you and your opinion but in order to understand where i'm coming from you need to have experienced it yourself. Friendly debate is always welcome without some of the nastiness i read on here but if come september i'm wrong and RF has won 2 of the 3 remaining slams then i will wholeheartedly apologise to all his fans, however i dont think i'll be wrong on this occasion. Lets touch base in september and we'll compare notes.

If federer is going to be a father I think we should wait until september next year. I cant understand why you compare FEd to connors and Jonny Mac?
Even Mac is a huge fan of Fed and think he's the GOAT. Fed has such perfect technique and such smoooth footwork that I believe he's a slam contender for many many years to come as long as he gets back to full strength.
He destroyed his opposition 4 months ago and it's impossible to loose all your qualities in such a short time span. MOno or something else is a believable cause.
We all know what footwork means in tennis. After the losses in I Wells/Key biscayne and especially Rome last year people said he was finished to. I remember the exakt words from the commentator in the Hamburg Final when Fed was crushing mr Nadal. The forehand which has been on vacation for so long is suddenly back and on fire! He was hitting down the line winners constantly.
Since you are a former pro player and so sure on your case I think ure absolutely right staying unnamed, otherwise it might get really embarrasing when He breaks the Sampras record within 3 years:)

Otherside
04-09-2008, 10:26 AM
I would like to correct this one a bot also. I know you being a passionate nadal fan this can be forgiven to you, but Federer dismissed all of his oponents in last 4 years except nadal. Many of whom were hc/grass court/clay court specialists. So he did face them allright, but he beat them fair and square.

Back on topic - OP :

I do think Federer stand absolutely no chance of gettnig close to winning this years FO. Regarded as his worst surface ( surely he was the 2nd best even on his worst surface ), slow and spin loving clay never suited his shotmaking style. He was so out of this world that his shotmaking and movement were so good - it was almost enough for him to win 3 RG's ... if there was not a man named Rafael. He got the better of Federer when it mattered.

These days with him being 1/2 steps slower, not so confident and phisically prepared and with Nadal being in what seems to be his top ever form and injury free, it does seem likely he would take out Federer in straights, providing the guy even makes it far. Do not forget competition on hc seems to be tough these days because we know all these guys. There are as much if not more - clay court specialists, who relish the chance to beat the shaken world nr1.

Like your posts, refreshing with someone who can give cred and thorns to both Fed and Nadal

ExPro
04-09-2008, 10:46 AM
I have a bet for you ex pro, it is a friendly one just for fun.

You seem certain that fed will never win another slam, and I will tell you that is a gutsy claim and I respect you for making it.

Here are the terms of my bet to you.

If fed wins any of the slams for the rest of this year you tell the people on TTW which former pro you are, with proof (in the form of a video if possible of you playing).

So you are now asking, what if fed doesnt win another slam this year, what will this guy do? I will go ahead now and admit I am not good at tennis. I play 3.0 USTA tournaments. So, if I lose the bet I will post a video of how awful I am at tennis for people to criticize/ make fun of. If you can't imagine the humiliation associated with this, just listen to the criticism some posters here give to pros, It would be ugly.

This is all in good fun, and if you don't wish to take my bet I respect you all the same, your choice, just throwing it out there.

and in regards to the thread I just thought of something... Roddick '06. Terrible start of the year, played a hell of a match in the US open final at the end of the year. Federer is a better player than roddick, so calling it done for him is really ballsy.


I'll give it some thought. But if i do post footage of me, all you guys will bow down in homage and you'll never ever be in a position to doubt my posts then where would all the fun be? I quite enjoy this, my teen age son turned me on to this site, he said there were some real idiots on here but by and large they were mostly very passionate posters who loved their tennis. but i'll see how the grand slam year turns out. then i may spring a surprise on you all.

edmondsm
04-09-2008, 10:59 AM
I'm 25 and I'll speak what I feel like speaking. LOL at the graceful comment. :lol:

I'm with the other poster, I thought you were no older than 15. Although I will say that you are much more intelligent and insightful than your buddy Morrisey. And if you don't think Federer is a graceful tennis player then I would like to know who is.

ExPro
04-09-2008, 12:31 PM
I think i figured out who you are...

take a shot:o)

l_gonzalez
04-09-2008, 12:39 PM
It's alright mate, i definitely know who you are. i don't wanna reveal your identity... quite enjoying your posts.

Enable your private messages and i'll tell you. I tried to send you a private message but i couldn't.

Arafel
04-09-2008, 12:56 PM
If federer is going to be a father I think we should wait until september next year. I cant understand why you compare FEd to connors and Jonny Mac?
Even Mac is a huge fan of Fed and think he's the GOAT. Fed has such perfect technique and such smoooth footwork that I believe he's a slam contender for many many years to come as long as he gets back to full strength.
He destroyed his opposition 4 months ago and it's impossible to loose all your qualities in such a short time span. MOno or something else is a believable cause.
We all know what footwork means in tennis. After the losses in I Wells/Key biscayne and especially Rome last year people said he was finished to. I remember the exakt words from the commentator in the Hamburg Final when Fed was crushing mr Nadal. The forehand which has been on vacation for so long is suddenly back and on fire! He was hitting down the line winners constantly.
Since you are a former pro player and so sure on your case I think ure absolutely right staying unnamed, otherwise it might get really embarrasing when He breaks the Sampras record within 3 years:)

Here's the one possible comparison, and I'm surprised no one has made it. I started following tennis in 1980. I watched the epic battles between Connors, McEnroe, Borg and Lendl. I remember most 1984. McEnroe only lost three times that year. He went I think 82-3. He looked utterly invincible. Connors got close to him in the US Open semis, and Lendl managed to beat him when McEnroe had a meltdown in the French final. Still, McEnroe looked like god on the court. His complete demolition of Connors in the Wimbledon final, Connors himself no slouch on grass, ranks as one of the best matches a person could possibly play.

Why do I bring this up?

If someone had said, after the US Open that year, or even at the start of 85, that McEnroe would never win another Slam in his career, everyone would have laughed at you. McEnroe had just dominated the tour as no player ever has before or since (though Roger did come close in 05). Yet that is, in fact, what happened. McEnroe only made one more Slam final, the 85 US Open. He was a threat to go deep in any tournament he entered, but he never was able to scale those heights again. His dominance faded that quickly.

I'm not saying that is what will happen with Fed, but people here using last year as an example of how skills can't fall off quickly and that Fed will quickly be back on top should look at McEnroe in 84 and remember that it has happened before, and could happen again.

veroniquem
04-09-2008, 01:00 PM
Interesting story...

edmondsm
04-09-2008, 01:06 PM
Here's the one possible comparison, and I'm surprised no one has made it. I started following tennis in 1980. I watched the epic battles between Connors, McEnroe, Borg and Lendl. I remember most 1984. McEnroe only lost three times that year. He went I think 82-3. He looked utterly invincible. Connors got close to him in the US Open semis, and Lendl managed to beat him when McEnroe had a meltdown in the French final. Still, McEnroe looked like god on the court. His complete demolition of Connors in the Wimbledon final, Connors himself no slouch on grass, ranks as one of the best matches a person could possibly play.

Why do I bring this up?

If someone had said, after the US Open that year, or even at the start of 85, that McEnroe would never win another Slam in his career, everyone would have laughed at you. McEnroe had just dominated the tour as no player ever has before or since (though Roger did come close in 05). Yet that is, in fact, what happened. McEnroe only made one more Slam final, the 85 US Open. He was a threat to go deep in any tournament he entered, but he never was able to scale those heights again. His dominance faded that quickly.

I'm not saying that is what will happen with Fed, but people here using last year as an example of how skills can't fall off quickly and that Fed will quickly be back on top should look at McEnroe in 84 and remember that it has happened before, and could happen again.

The difference obviously being that Federer is not going to take a year off tennis so that he has more time to snort coke.

You make a good point though. You never know what's going to happen, Federer could have trouble getting back on form and the next thing you know he's 27 or 28, the legs don't move like they used to. I hope that's not how it turns out. He's been so great the last few years it would be a shame to see him not catch Sampras.

Nadal_Freak
04-09-2008, 01:09 PM
I'm with the other poster, I thought you were no older than 15. Although I will say that you are much more intelligent and insightful than your buddy Morrisey. And if you don't think Federer is a graceful tennis player then I would like to know who is.
Yeah I try to mix it up with the combination of intelligent talk and trolling. :D Whatever the mood I'm in. lol

Morrissey
04-09-2008, 01:12 PM
I'm with the other poster, I thought you were no older than 15. Although I will say that you are much more intelligent and insightful than your buddy Morrisey. And if you don't think Federer is a graceful tennis player then I would like to know who is.

I never put down Fed like your friend does. Funny I was thinking the same about you. My wife and I laugh at your ridiculous posts and we say to outselves that this loser must be at least 13 yrs old or in high school high school. But just thinking his posts are more intelligent justifies that already. But thanks for amusing me, really. Lol! :-P

edmondsm
04-09-2008, 01:13 PM
Yeah I try to mix it up with the combination of intelligent talk and trolling. :D Whatever the mood I'm in. lol


LOL. Alright touche', everybody's got their own style.

Aabye
04-09-2008, 01:24 PM
Gee whiz. Is it time for the "Federer will never win RG" and "Nadal no longer a threat on clay" threads already?! Wow, look how time flies.

Really, can we see how everyone is playing on the red stuff before we assess their chances for winning RG? Federer hasn't been in top form, but he'll likely be as motivated as usual to take home the Coupe des Mousquetaires to fill that last spot in his GS war chest. And Rafa hasn't won anything either this year, but neither have his feet hit the dirt. He truly is the King of Clay and we'll have to see him fall pretty far before anyone can try to take that title away from him.

ExPro
04-10-2008, 01:32 AM
If federer is going to be a father I think we should wait until september next year. I cant understand why you compare FEd to connors and Jonny Mac?
Even Mac is a huge fan of Fed and think he's the GOAT. Fed has such perfect technique and such smoooth footwork that I believe he's a slam contender for many many years to come as long as he gets back to full strength.
He destroyed his opposition 4 months ago and it's impossible to loose all your qualities in such a short time span. MOno or something else is a believable cause.
We all know what footwork means in tennis. After the losses in I Wells/Key biscayne and especially Rome last year people said he was finished to. I remember the exakt words from the commentator in the Hamburg Final when Fed was crushing mr Nadal. The forehand which has been on vacation for so long is suddenly back and on fire! He was hitting down the line winners constantly.
Since you are a former pro player and so sure on your case I think ure absolutely right staying unnamed, otherwise it might get really embarrasing when He breaks the Sampras record within 3 years:)

'Breaks sampras record within 3 yrs' eh? we'll see. Just bear in mind the quality of mens tennis and you'll see, quite clearly, that if RF is in some sort of a decline, then winning 3 years from now ill not prove to be any easier than it is now. He will win events there's no doubt about that but winning best of 5 in the slams? no. I dont think so. I'm trying to think of a player who was on the tour during my time who was comparable to Nadal but i can reall think of one who really fits the bill, anyway the point i was going to make was look at the wimbledon final with Nadal ( good match btw) and see how tentative, and unsure he seemed up until set 5,i dont know if it's a pride thing with him ( winning on his terms) but he just doesnt seem to be able to adapt his game during a match.

Otherside
04-10-2008, 07:32 AM
'Breaks sampras record within 3 yrs' eh? we'll see. Just bear in mind the quality of mens tennis and you'll see, quite clearly, that if RF is in some sort of a decline, then winning 3 years from now ill not prove to be any easier than it is now. He will win events there's no doubt about that but winning best of 5 in the slams? no. I dont think so. I'm trying to think of a player who was on the tour during my time who was comparable to Nadal but i can reall think of one who really fits the bill, anyway the point i was going to make was look at the wimbledon final with Nadal ( good match btw) and see how tentative, and unsure he seemed up until set 5,i dont know if it's a pride thing with him ( winning on his terms) but he just doesnt seem to be able to adapt his game during a match.

I also think it's a pride thing, feels like he want's to beat Nadal shot by shot even on clay. Serve and volleying more and avoiding the insane backhand to forehand rallies would probably have given him one of the 3 matches at Roland Garros

ksbh
04-10-2008, 09:01 AM
I doubt it. For one, Federer is a baseliner, not a serve & volleyer. Second, Nadal would have blunted that approach of Federer anyways. To me it seems like while Nadal is around, Federer better just forget winning the French Open.

I also think it's a pride thing, feels like he want's to beat Nadal shot by shot even on clay. Serve and volleying more and avoiding the insane backhand to forehand rallies would probably have given him one of the 3 matches at Roland Garros

Silent
04-10-2008, 09:20 AM
Perhaps avoiding backhand to forehand rallies and going to net more often would help Federer, but the clay slows the shot down so much that the approach and volley must be absolutely perfect to hurt Nadal. Once he's achieved that (it is an achievement), he has to do it for 3+ hours. But let's face it, if Federer wins, it'll take 5+ hours.

As much as I hate saying this, with Fed's results so far, I agree that Djokovic has more chances to win it than Federer this year.

illkhiboy
05-09-2008, 08:39 AM
Fed is done and it isn't because of mono. It's because he is done. Some players decline quicker than others and Federer is that type of player.

Stupid stupid stupid

msc886
05-09-2008, 11:13 PM
I don't think Fed can win the French. The surface is slower and He always seem to have a concentration lapse and against Rafa on clay in a best of 5 sets, that is just not good enough

Nadal_Freak
05-09-2008, 11:29 PM
Stupid stupid stupid
It's sarcasm. Fed's got plenty left in the tank but I don't think he'll do what he's done from 2004-2007 again.

toby1526
05-10-2008, 03:21 AM
Even though Federer has not been playing great this year, I still think he has a shot at the title. He has been the second best clay court player in the world for the past few years. I still think he is. With Nadal's bad knees I am really interested to see if he is able to win it again this year, or if it will be feds year, or if someone new decides to make a run on the clay.

Thoughts?

Seeing as Federer keeps being beat by anybody on clay, i.e. Stepanek, Nadal, Murray and nearly Hildago! then no I don't think he has much of a chance. He can't seem to be consistant enough on clay.

thu_huong
05-10-2008, 03:33 AM
It's sarcasm. Fed's got plenty left in the tank but I don't think he'll do what he's done from 2004-2007 again.
stupid again:)

Magix
05-10-2008, 03:55 AM
Seeing as Federer keeps being beat by anybody on clay, i.e. Stepanek, Nadal, Murray and nearly Hildago! then no I don't think he has much of a chance. He can't seem to be consistant enough on clay.

Murray? On clay? Hard court, yeah. Not clay.

Not consistent enough? W- Estoril, F- Monte Carlo, QF- Rome. Fed's not that bad on clay!

Still, he's gonna have to pick up his game if he wants a shot at Roland Garros.

zagor
09-11-2008, 12:48 PM
Roger Federer will not win another grand slam event. The cracks started appearing last year and at the masters even he was able to turn things around to take that title, but as far as GS's are concerned he's maxed out. Mens tennis doesn't stand still. He's finding it tough now on the hard stuf wait until he comes up against the clay court masters, he'll struggle to get to the qtrs of Rome, MOnte Carlo, Hamburg etc assuming he plays any of these. As I alluded to in an earlier thread, I palyed the tour in the 80's and 90's and we saw it in Borg as early as the 1980 USO, In mens tennis it only takes a minute drop of your focus for the losses to start piling up. Anyone who knows tennis will know that RFs game is far from impregnable but to his credit he does everything so amazingly well and his mystique's been built largely on his GS success. Nalbandian doesn't fear him and will have more success against him in the future. I'm not a hater of the guy but the evidence is starting to shine thru. I know I'm going to be villified and pilloried by the fans of RF but come september you'll see.

Looks like Fed proved you wrong in the USO.So do you think now that USO was a freak occurence and that Fed won't win any slam after this one or you'll admit that Fed maybe has more in his arsenal than you initally thought?

Conquistador
09-11-2008, 05:36 PM
Perhaps avoiding backhand to forehand rallies and going to net more often would help Federer, but the clay slows the shot down so much that the approach and volley must be absolutely perfect to hurt Nadal. Once he's achieved that (it is an achievement), he has to do it for 3+ hours. But let's face it, if Federer wins, it'll take 5+ hours.

As much as I hate saying this, with Fed's results so far, I agree that Djokovic has more chances to win it than Federer this year.

I disagree--At this time Roger can volley with anyone and beat them at it...theres no reason for him to go at the net when he can sit back and play defensive tennis and beat everyone

zagor
07-07-2009, 10:04 AM
Bump.

15 slams and counting,ExPro for all his expertise and tennis knowledge was apparently wrong.

Was an interesting discussion though.

CountryHillbilly
07-07-2009, 10:10 AM
Can you please not do this anymore? Find a funny threads from 2003 or something like that, but not last year.

zagor
07-07-2009, 10:15 AM
Can you please not do this anymore? Find a funny threads from 2003 or something like that, but not last year.

LOL,can't do that.From what I understand this forum is in this format since 2004,so that's furthest I can go.

CountryHillbilly
07-07-2009, 10:19 AM
LOL,can't do that.From what I understand this forum is in this format since 2004,so that's furthest I can go.

2004, OK, then check this thread out:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=544

zagor
07-07-2009, 10:21 AM
2004, OK, then check this thread out:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=544

Interesting thread :)