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Doc Hollidae
04-08-2008, 10:49 AM
Upon cutting out the strings of my Ozone Pro Tour, I noticed an inch long gash/cut from the string tearing through the grommet hole and into the frame. I'll try and post pictures later.

Anyone else had this happen to them?

iplaybetter
04-08-2008, 10:59 AM
sounds bad, the string tore the hole?

k_liu
04-08-2008, 11:07 AM
Possible defect?

Doc Hollidae
04-08-2008, 11:22 AM
sounds bad, the string tore the hole?

Yep. Tore straight through one of the cross holes near the throat and almost into one of the O ports.

Quite upset as it was a brand new racket. I took it out to hit for 10 minutes and couldn't figure out why it didn't feel right.

Mr. Blond
04-08-2008, 11:56 AM
Yep. Tore straight through one of the cross holes near the throat and almost into one of the O ports.

Quite upset as it was a brand new racket. I took it out to hit for 10 minutes and couldn't figure out why it didn't feel right.

yeah, that sounds like the frame was defective to me because it would take a monstrous amount of tension to do that unless if were defective. Warranty!!!!

YULitle
04-08-2008, 12:10 PM
Who strings your racquets? Is it possible that this gash was there BEFORE you cut the strings out?

Doc Hollidae
04-08-2008, 12:29 PM
Who strings your racquets? Is it possible that this gash was there BEFORE you cut the strings out?

Bought it brand new. It was strung with Prince Duraflex at mid tension. I normally string my own sticks. The gash was probably there before I cut out the strings as I had only hit with it for 5-10 minutes before noticing it didn't feel right.

YULitle
04-08-2008, 12:31 PM
This kind of gash happens when inexperienced stringers string O3s. Especially the new speedports with the string hole inserts. They try to run the string over the gap instead of over the post and it tears the hole.

Doc Hollidae
04-08-2008, 12:47 PM
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6169/p1010001tn9.jpg

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1934/p1010004jk8.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2766/p1010006vf3.jpg

YULitle
04-08-2008, 01:46 PM
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo

Wow, that is not what I thought you meant at all. That is awful. I've seen that happen once, with an O3 Tour. Wow, that is bad.

Warranty. :D

hyogen
04-08-2008, 01:47 PM
yikes.. just on one of your frames right?

hit2mybh
04-08-2008, 01:48 PM
I'm guessing you didn't have any added weight to it right? This often happened to me with the Graphite II's. I believe it was because i leaded those up quite a bit, and strung on the tighter end of the scale.

Doc Hollidae
04-08-2008, 03:49 PM
yikes.. just on one of your frames right?

Yep just one.

Doc Hollidae
04-08-2008, 03:58 PM
I'm guessing you didn't have any added weight to it right? This often happened to me with the Graphite II's. I believe it was because i leaded those up quite a bit, and strung on the tighter end of the scale.

No weight added. I play with them stock except I used a Wilson [K]ontrol replacement grip covered by Tournagrip II.

hit2mybh
04-08-2008, 04:05 PM
now you are going to have me constantly checking mine for this. I just checked my bag and all good for now.

I'll have to try that grip setup. I am using the stock Prince grip still, no overwrap, miss my tournagrip, but doesn't feel the same over the prince pro grip.

Doc Hollidae
04-08-2008, 04:13 PM
now you are going to have me constantly checking mine for this. I just checked my bag and all good for now.

I'll have to try that grip setup. I am using the stock Prince grip still, no overwrap, miss my tournagrip, but doesn't feel the same over the prince pro grip.

The stock Prince was too thick and made the grip larger than a normal L3 grip. The [K]ontrol grip is thinner and is closer to a normal L3 and allowed me to use my beloved tournagrip again.

themitchmann
04-08-2008, 04:27 PM
Call Prince. They'll replace it.

Wondertoy
04-08-2008, 05:52 PM
Prince should replace it.

Stan
04-08-2008, 07:16 PM
3 cheers for grommetless technology...Hip, Hip Hooray!!!

iplaybetter
04-08-2008, 07:17 PM
3 cheers for grommetless technology...Hip, Hip Hooray!!!

LOL in practice its no so bad

themitchmann
04-08-2008, 07:24 PM
3 cheers for grommetless technology...Hip, Hip Hooray!!!

It's not about the technology. That's saying you prefer a metal racquet when your graphite one cracks. It's more about quality control...Prince is not the only company with this issue.

Chauvalito
04-08-2008, 07:37 PM
This seems like an issue from the factory. for whatever reason, not enough graphite was in that area, and that allowed the strings to slice through.

having seen this for the first time, I am quite surprised I have not seen it happen on other rackets.

Davychinko
04-08-2008, 08:38 PM
I've not had that happen to me before in that spot, although I've had strings pull through the throat grommets 4 times and once actually through the bottom of the head the thus far. My buddy was and still is skeptical of the no grommet technology. I called up Prince and explained to them the situation they were more than happy to rectify the problem.

Doc Hollidae
04-08-2008, 11:02 PM
3 cheers for grommetless technology...Hip, Hip Hooray!!!

Even though this sucks balls, I still full support and advocate the O port and Speedport technology. This sticks are the real deal. As much as I loved my Radicals, I do not regret for one second changing to the Ozone Pro Tours. They do everything the Radicals did, but with more power, more control, and 10x more maneuverable at the net. Definitely don't see me changing in the next decade or two.

themitchmann
04-09-2008, 05:25 AM
Glad you still dig the Prince sticks, Doc. Sure, this sucks, but Prince is a company that believes in it's products and respects their customers. They will definitely take care of it for you.

I've strung a ton of Speedport Tours and Speedport Blacks, and I've never run into this. Not even with my old O3 Tours.

Loco4Tennis
04-09-2008, 05:44 AM
This kind of gash happens when inexperienced stringers string O3s. Especially the new speedports with the string hole inserts. They try to run the string over the gap instead of over the post and it tears the hole.

YULitle, im trying to picture what your saying here, but i dont think i understand, i have not done one of these racquets yet, what gap?, is there one on the picture? is there a gap next to the grommet hole that people run the line through by mistake??

YULitle
04-09-2008, 05:49 AM
YULitle, im trying to picture what your saying here, but i dont think i understand, i have not done one of these racquets yet, what gap?, is there one on the picture? is there a gap next to the grommet hole that people run the line through by mistake??

This doesn't relate to Docs problem. This is only what I thought he meant. It happens in the throat more often than anywhere else. But, with the "string hole" inserts on the Black or the Tour, I've seen people start the mains at the bottom and try to apply tension with the string going around empty space instead of the posts of the racquet, simply because the string holes allow for it (at low tensions.) On the original O3s, this could not happen because the port had no string holes, so the loop just came back into the racquet when you tried to tension.

hit2mybh
04-09-2008, 07:39 AM
Here's a pic of what I think yulitle was talking about... I happened to have an unstrung speedport...

http://www.stringjob.com/photos/spt1.jpg
http://www.stringjob.com/photos/spt2.jpg

1012007
04-09-2008, 08:13 AM
As you have the grommets in, does that mean you dont have to use a boomerang or table lock on your machine??

Loco4Tennis
04-09-2008, 09:43 AM
This doesn't relate to Docs problem. This is only what I thought he meant. It happens in the throat more often than anywhere else. But, with the "string hole" inserts on the Black or the Tour, I've seen people start the mains at the bottom and try to apply tension with the string going around empty space instead of the posts of the racquet, simply because the string holes allow for it (at low tensions.) On the original O3s, this could not happen because the port had no string holes, so the loop just came back into the racquet when you tried to tension.

Here's a pic of what I think yulitle was talking about... I happened to have an unstrung speedport...

http://www.stringjob.com/photos/spt1.jpg
http://www.stringjob.com/photos/spt2.jpg

ahh, thanks for the clarification guys, the pictures do put my question to rest, i can see how pulling on the strings like its shown would create a weak point, and possible tear the grommet

themitchmann
04-09-2008, 10:01 AM
As you have the grommets in, does that mean you dont have to use a boomerang or table lock on your machine??

Nope. The string hole inserts allow to string like a racquet with tradition grommets.

YULitle
04-09-2008, 10:32 AM
Thanks for the pics hit2mybh, that's exactly what I'm talking about. :D

vwfye
04-09-2008, 10:43 AM
the flaw in the racket was probably too little resin, not graphite...

Doc Hollidae
04-10-2008, 09:15 PM
Would individual grommets or nylon tubing help prevent this?

YULitle
04-10-2008, 09:16 PM
Tubing more than grommets. I would think it'd be hard to find grommets to fit. The tubing might not be a dream fight either. The tubing would provide protection all the way around the bend.

vwfye
04-10-2008, 09:21 PM
if the resin was thin, you would have no way of knowing ahead of time. tubing might have helped, but fatigue would still have found the weakness.

1337Kira
04-10-2008, 09:37 PM
Man, is it just me, or have Prince racquets been having more problems recently...?

mdjenders
04-19-2008, 10:41 PM
I am thinking these Prince frames are made of some really cheap material. I cut out the original strings on a client's Ozone Tour, and at the X tie off holes, there are good sized "troughs" right in the frame where the main string is eating into the frame. If this is what Prince "quality" is like, last thing I want to do is order more Ozone frames like the one I am demoing now.

Ljubicic for number1
04-20-2008, 01:15 AM
Nope. The string hole inserts allow to string like a racquet with tradition grommets.

I dont really agree with that, although the string holes do hold the string against the frame I would still use the turntable lock so as you are pulling against/into the frame rather than against the thin plastic grommet hole.

PBODY99
04-20-2008, 05:52 AM
The pull through problem is similar to the keyhole issue that the MORE frames had. The Squash frames have this occur at the tie off holes.