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l_gonzalez
04-09-2008, 01:56 AM
It might be a bit early to start this thread but i just can't wait for the european claycourt season!

By Dark Horse i don't mean people like Davydenko, Nalbandian, or even Federer because regardless of their recent form (or lack of) they have to be considered serious contenders.

It'd be nice if we could keep this one going along all the way through to the French Open, see how the claycourt season develops and takes shape and hopefully we'll get a '97 Guga, Verkerk, Gaudio or Puerta this year!

Given what i've seen in the last couple of seasons and especially earlier this year during the South American claycourt swing, i have to say that Nicolas Almagro has to be one of the main threats to the big guys, with a favourable draw he could go deep into the second week, and dare I say it, maybe even lift the title!

Your thoughts and opinions please... let the dirtballing begin!!!!

Tempest344
04-09-2008, 02:33 AM
Monaco?

and I think Ferrero as well

baseliner87
04-09-2008, 03:08 AM
bring puerta back!!!!!! the man is a clay court specialist......his a genious on clay.............

hmmm

well there is nalby, monaco,almagro, robredo,canas and maybe even andrev.

King_roger
04-09-2008, 03:30 AM
bring puerta back!!!!!! the man is a clay court specialist......his a genious on clay.............


:shock:
It would be the same if I propuse Coria. :mrgreen:

crawl4
04-09-2008, 03:32 AM
ASACUSO

but still fed to win

crawl4
04-09-2008, 03:33 AM
nooblet soz

unjugon
04-09-2008, 03:37 AM
I think it is about time Andreev gets his act together, no better place for that than the french open.

fantom
04-09-2008, 03:46 AM
nooblet soz

I've never heard of him.

Acasuso's bound to make a deep run @ RG some time.

Monaco also.

l_gonzalez
04-09-2008, 03:54 AM
Acasuso is a bit streaky, the big man gets a bit too emotional. Monaco is a good bet for a decent performance, but i still remember how Canas obliterated him at Roland Garros last year... not a pretty sight.

Robredo, no chance. He's won 2 matches on tour outside Davis Cup this year, the guy is struggling big time.

I don't have much faith in Andreev either, but you never know.

Andres
04-09-2008, 04:20 AM
My three darkhorses for this years French are Acasuso, Monaco and Almagro.

Ferrer will undeperform, so is Robredo. Davydenko will lose in QF. My biggest enigma is Cañas. I have him losing around QF

sapient007
04-09-2008, 04:31 AM
ANDY RODDICK. there iv'e said it.. and there is absol no base for my claim aside from andy having the tools to win majors.

l_gonzalez
04-09-2008, 04:35 AM
ANDY RODDICK. there iv'e said it.. and there is absol no base for my claim aside from andy having the tools to win majors.

Good joke mate, that one cheered me up! you should do stand-up.

Morrissey
04-09-2008, 04:36 AM
Davydenko, Nalbandian, Almagro, Acasuso, Gasquet, Ferrer, Moya and Monaco.

TNT16
04-09-2008, 04:43 AM
Almagro. Kohlschreiber. Monaco.

veroniquem
04-09-2008, 04:57 AM
Davydenko and Almagro

bluescreen
04-09-2008, 06:15 AM
almagro is my #1 dark horse, with monaco behind him.

mattyc
04-09-2008, 06:18 AM
:shock:
It would be the same if I propuse Coria. :mrgreen:

I would just like to say that I have got £30/$60 on Coria to win the French. I got him at 990:1. I have a feeling he has officially been offered a wildcard because my mate went to bet the other day and the odds have been slashed to 50!!!!!

mattyc
04-09-2008, 06:19 AM
i forgot to say...... this year it is all about gasguet

fgzhu88
04-09-2008, 06:20 AM
monfils..........

chair ump
04-09-2008, 06:40 AM
Maybe Tsonga could do some damage.

Turning Pro
04-09-2008, 06:43 AM
Gasquet, Davydenko, Hewitt and Nalbandian.

diegaa
04-09-2008, 06:44 AM
wouldn't be something if moya can take it?

Freedom
04-09-2008, 06:48 AM
Berdych can hang with the best of them. Does he have any chance on clay?

slice bh compliment
04-09-2008, 06:51 AM
wouldn't be something if moya can take it?

That would be unreal. Maybe we can arrange for him to meet Corretja in the final!

slice bh compliment
04-09-2008, 06:53 AM
You know, I'm feeling good about Ferru making it back to top form next month.

Favorite darkhorses: Almagro would be cool. Chucho for sure.

At what point can we consider a past finalist a darkhorse? [RF]

mrDamien
04-09-2008, 07:20 AM
Go go Hewitt.

Ocean Drive
04-09-2008, 07:21 AM
Monaco and Almagro have what it takes to go deep, but maybe they will have yet another mental blip.

JRstriker12
04-09-2008, 07:21 AM
I think Davydenko could do some damage at this FO if he keeps up his level of play.

Tsonga could also do well, but we'll see.

Monfills could do well if he has his head on straight - but I doubt that would happen.

Ocean Drive
04-09-2008, 07:21 AM
Acasuso doesn't have a hope in hell, overrated player.

jgreen06
04-09-2008, 08:09 AM
almagro for sure

i dont understand how people ranked in the top ten count as "dark horses" tho... (davydenko, nalbandian, gasquet)

futuretoptenner
04-09-2008, 09:26 AM
Nalbandian will make in roads on Clay, Gasquet and Tsonga will both do well as well. Monaca, Almagro will also have good results. I expect Murray will break the top 10 after Wimbledon.

l_gonzalez
04-09-2008, 10:17 AM
almagro for sure

i dont understand how people ranked in the top ten count as "dark horses" tho... (davydenko, nalbandian, gasquet)

that's exactly what i said in the original post but people didn't seem to take notice.

Moya and JCF, even though they are past champs would count as Dark Horses in my book this year... would love to see that final!!!

Sadly, unlikely to happen... both are playing very good tennis these days, but they no longer have that killer edge.

no to Gasquet, he has the game but lacks the head, especially at Roland Garros. would love for him to prove me wrong.

blackfrido
04-09-2008, 10:20 AM
wouldn't be something if moya can take it?

what about Calleri? :confused:

danb
04-09-2008, 10:24 AM
ANDY RODDICK. there iv'e said it.. and there is absol no base for my claim aside from andy having the tools to win majors.

Switch to water mate.

NamRanger
04-09-2008, 10:26 AM
Moya would be a realistic darkhorse candidate. He's almost ALWAYS in the 2nd week of RG.



Still has the killer forehand. The movement is gone, but his craftiness and experience makes up for that.

l_gonzalez
04-09-2008, 10:51 AM
...Still has the killer forehand. The movement is gone, but his craftiness and experience makes up for that.

He can't be a serious contender in the latter rounds if he can't move as well as he used to... it's just not possible.

jmsx521
04-09-2008, 10:56 AM
Dark Horses for FO? Wake me up when it's time for Rome and Hamburg!

diegaa
04-09-2008, 11:02 AM
what about Calleri? :confused:

that would be absolutely the best thing that can happen to tennis. ever. :D

Nadal_Monfils
04-09-2008, 11:10 AM
Gustavo Kuerten.

Stchamps
04-09-2008, 11:16 AM
David Beckham.

Serve n' Volley
04-09-2008, 11:17 AM
Double post . . .

Serve n' Volley
04-09-2008, 11:18 AM
Gustavo Kuerten.

I would LOVE to see that happen. :wink:

TNT16
04-09-2008, 11:28 AM
Switch to water mate.

Cruel post.

93sq.
04-09-2008, 11:32 AM
3 dark horses...

well...


Potito Starace
Del Potro
Andreev

GasquetGOAT
04-09-2008, 12:11 PM
Leyton Hewitt! he will reach the final therefore complete a career slam finals.

Zaragoza
04-09-2008, 01:19 PM
Almagro´s best result at R.Garros is 2nd round and his best result in a major is 3rd round at the 2007 US Open. He is not good in best of 5 sets matches. I expect him to do better this year but I don´t see him as a contender for the title.
I think Nalbandian and Davydenko will be very dangerous for anyone but they´re not darkhorses.
As for lower ranked players I am interested to see how Hewitt and Murray can do. Hewitt lost to Nadal in the last 2 years, maybe he could go further with a better draw. His lack of power will not hurt him so much on clay and the consistency is still there. Murray barely played on clay last year and I think his style is not bad at all to play on clay.

simi
04-09-2008, 01:40 PM
Gustavo Kuerten.

That would surely be a fairy tale ending to a great career. They'd make a movie about it.

diegaa
04-09-2008, 02:01 PM
That would surely be a fairy tale ending to a great career. They'd make a movie about it.

yeah, too shame that all tennis movies are pure crap.

daddy
04-09-2008, 02:09 PM
I may comment on this. I saw some of the players being mentioned are ..

Almagro - very poor in best of 5 set matches and on Big occasions. Decent player, not really good enough to take the title.

Andreev - best comeback of the 2007 is still mentaly a very fragile player. I find it hard to believe he can overcome any top player on any surface.

Starace, Del Potro, Calleri, wishfull thinking. If one of those could pull just one upset on clay, Id be satisfied. I feal they will all be out as soon as they face any seeded player.

Monaco - by his previous results maybe. Right now I dont know his form but he would be the closest thing.

Old school - Moya, Guga etc. Wishfull thinking.

Monfils - is he still a tennis player ?

Hewitt - he should go far if he has enough luck. He will eventually meet a better player and lose, quarters would be great for him.

I dont want to pretend I am smart or anything but I do think that we will hardly see any newcomers this year. At least not in the quarters or after. Nadal should dominate once again. Few top players except US guys will challange him mostly.

Pleepers
04-09-2008, 03:24 PM
I've seen a lot pulling for Almagro. He hasn't had tons of big wins in the past...but his championship win over Nalbandian in Mexico was pretty convincing. We'll have to see with the clay tournaments leading up to RG, but can he beat Nadal on the dirt? No chance in hell :shock:

Can Gasquet be considered an underdog? Maybe. When was the last time a frenchman won RG? Talent-wise I think he has what it takes to beat the big three: Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic. And I think he has the stamina to last through the tourney. Only time will tell, but be sure of this: its going to be an interesting summer.

bluescreen
04-09-2008, 04:12 PM
i dont see djoker as a major factor at roland garros. i place him in the quarters easily, but after that i think it'll be a tough road, especially if has long matches in the early rounds.

J-man
04-09-2008, 04:52 PM
Djokovic should do well. He plays well on all surfaces.

Tsonga could be a dark horse but he isn't the greatest on clay to begin with.

Davydenko, Nalbandian, Monaco are all good choices. Hewitt I think will make it to the 4 round and lose again, lol.

Monfils never really goes deep at RG. So he's out of the question. Robredo doesn't have a prayer in hell either. Almagro has the game, but I don't think he can keep it together.

What do you all think of Youzhny as a dark horse? He's the freshest name I can come up with in my head.

matchmaker
04-09-2008, 05:05 PM
I would like to see Calleri lift the trophy. Excellent player. I saw his U.S. Open match against Hewitt. He was playing otherwordly. If he could do that on clay and be consistent over many matches he could go a long way I hope.

slice bh compliment
04-09-2008, 05:16 PM
.... When was the last time a frenchman won RG? ....

Yannick Noah in 1983. I remember it like it was yesterday.

Lucinda
04-09-2008, 05:36 PM
I agree with a lot of people. I think Monaco and Almagro are the most likely suspects.

bumblebee
04-09-2008, 05:45 PM
ANDREEV vs KOHLSHRIBER in the finals!!!!!
YAYAYYAYYAYAY!!!!

GasquetGOAT
04-09-2008, 08:49 PM
Anyone fancies Ancic's chances?

spiritdragon
04-09-2008, 09:42 PM
man, i can't wait for the french open! man the tough battles on clay r the best! long rallies, drop shots, all that running, sweating, and exhaustion!

i'm hoping that Guga will be able to make some sort of a run. it would be great to see him get a good run before he retires. to tell u the truth i haven't seen him play much but from what i have seen, he has a great game and an awesome peronality. Some other dark horses may be acasuso, monfils, and andreev. andreev is an excellent clay courter.

Babolast
04-09-2008, 09:45 PM
Monaco?

and I think Ferrero as well

Ferrero is finished.

flyer
04-09-2008, 09:49 PM
Anyone fancies Ancic's chances?

Serve and volleyer on clay...eewwwwww

l_gonzalez
04-09-2008, 11:20 PM
Serve and volleyer on clay...eewwwwww

QF's a couple of years ago, don't think he's a contender for the tittle but he could take out some decent players along the way.

blackfrido
04-10-2008, 05:22 AM
that would be absolutely the best thing that can happen to tennis. ever. :D

I'd love to see that too. He has a great game!

Pro Staff Pete
04-10-2008, 05:58 AM
Del Potro.

miniRafa386
04-10-2008, 06:03 AM
almagro, nalby, verdasco, ferrer, monaco, gasquet, moya, canas, lopez, and starace

WillAlwaysLoveYouTennis
04-10-2008, 06:04 AM
wouldn't be something if moya can take it?

I would love that! Always rooting for Moya whenever he plays. Would be terrific to see him win it again, but he would have to really be spectacular.

diegaa
04-10-2008, 08:26 AM
I'd love to see that too. He has a great game!

yeah, it would be glorious. can you imagine agustin raising the cup...? it already gives me the goosebumps... :D

I would love that! Always rooting for Moya whenever he plays. Would be terrific to see him win it again, but he would have to really be spectacular.

and the same with moya in a slightly lower level :)

flyer
04-10-2008, 08:16 PM
Del Potro.

OVER RAAATED!!! DADADUDADU

l_gonzalez
04-11-2008, 05:15 AM
Does anyone know if they're gonna give Coria a wildcard?

vbranis
04-11-2008, 04:57 PM
Dudi Sela, he's on a hot streak right now. I think his game should translate well to clay.

princess bossass
04-11-2008, 05:53 PM
I think Ferrero as well

Word.

monfils..........

Word.

wouldn't be something if moya can take it?

Word.

Go go Hewitt.

Word.

David Beckham.

*Sigggggh.*:mrgreen::rolleyes:

daddy
04-12-2008, 04:57 AM
However Robin Soderling hit back for Sweden, stunning Jose Acasuso 6-0, 6-4, 6-1 to level up proceedings 1-1. The 23-year-old Soderling broke serve eight times, and held a further 20 break points on Acasuso’s serve ..

So much for the Acasuso on clay, not being able to win a set in total at home against Soderling. Dark horse in deed.

Gugafan
04-12-2008, 06:42 AM
Monaco, Canas and Hewitt all have great counterpunching games. They Defend really well, which is imperative in clay court tennis.

l_gonzalez
05-20-2008, 01:34 AM
Thomaz Belucci (Brazil - 20 years old) has won 4 Challengers on clay this year including 3 in a 4 week period.


Eduardo Schwank (Argentina - 22 years old) has won 3 Challenger on clay in the last month.

It's worth mentioning that both of them have also done fairly well in doubles, Belucci winning one title and making 2 finals this year and Schwank has won 3 titles, all at Challenger level.

Maybe one of these two will blaze through the draw at Roland Garros and do a '97 Kuerten?

I think their only downfall is that they both have to qualify...

my_forehand
05-20-2008, 01:38 AM
Word.



Word.



Word.



Word.





Word.

Roddick withdrew :(

kalic
05-20-2008, 02:08 AM
Oscar Hernandez, if he past qualification...

PCXL-Fan
05-20-2008, 02:29 AM
Double post . . .

Hmmmm, interesting pick, although I've never heard of him... how many clay court titles has Double Post won?


I'd have to say David Ferrer or Djokovic. Althought Djokovic may not be considered a Dark Horse.

montx
05-20-2008, 02:42 AM
How can you say almagro and forget youzhny, that I don't get.

zagor
05-20-2008, 03:02 AM
Almagro probably,although people have been talking about him for years now.

montx
05-20-2008, 03:26 AM
I predict Wawrinka to continue to improve and be a contender this year.

bleno567
05-20-2008, 06:56 AM
my darkhorse pic would def be starace.

I dont expect much from hewitt cause he is injured.

btw whats gaudio's deal these days. That guy can play some clay court tennis.

jackson vile
05-20-2008, 07:52 AM
bring puerta back!!!!!! the man is a clay court specialist......his a genious on clay.............



If I were Nadal this is the only other player that I would seriously fear

l_gonzalez
05-20-2008, 08:56 AM
Puerta hasn't been doing too well lately, made one Challenger final this year and that's about it. He might be struggling with injuries, i don't really know.

veroniquem
05-20-2008, 09:02 AM
Puerta hasn't been doing too well lately, made one Challenger final this year and that's about it. He might be struggling with injuries, i don't really know.
Or he can't play without dope...

LeftyServe
05-20-2008, 10:50 AM
Thomaz Belucci (Brazil - 20 years old) has won 4 Challengers on clay this year including 3 in a 4 week period.


Eduardo Schwank (Argentina - 22 years old) has won 3 Challenger on clay in the last month.

It's worth mentioning that both of them have also done fairly well in doubles, Belucci winning one title and making 2 finals this year and Schwank has won 3 titles, all at Challenger level.

Maybe one of these two will blaze through the draw at Roland Garros and do a '97 Kuerten?

I think their only downfall is that they both have to qualify...

Both these guys are ones to watch, no question. They've both risen so quickly in the rankings (#74 and #75 respectively) that they have to qualify even though they're currently ranked 25 spots above the last direct entrant. If they happen to lose in the last round of qualies, they'll probably both be in as lucky losers. (Are Haas, Hewitt, and Baghdatis really going to play this tournament?)

I also like Ferrero as a dark horse if he gets a decent draw. But Almagro for some reason always disappoints in the big tournaments, and he's got a wrist issue so I wouldn't expect much.

daddy
05-20-2008, 11:00 AM
Thomaz Belucci (Brazil - 20 years old) has won 4 Challengers on clay this year including 3 in a 4 week period.


Eduardo Schwank (Argentina - 22 years old) has won 3 Challenger on clay in the last month.

It's worth mentioning that both of them have also done fairly well in doubles, Belucci winning one title and making 2 finals this year and Schwank has won 3 titles, all at Challenger level.

Maybe one of these two will blaze through the draw at Roland Garros and do a '97 Kuerten?

I think their only downfall is that they both have to qualify...


Props to yo for this, Ill offer my view on this situation. Being they have to come thru qualies, they can run into some high seeds early on. That means that they have a legit shot at pulling one surprise of the tournament early on - if they do not get Nadal or Federer, Djokovic also. That could be a good thing for tennis but I am sure theyd like to play some lower rranked oponents. They'll have a few games under belt already and that can be a bit of advantage for them in the first and second round.

Ill now quote myself below this , to see if I wa correct a month ago.

daddy
05-20-2008, 11:01 AM
I may comment on this. I saw some of the players being mentioned are ..

Almagro - very poor in best of 5 set matches and on Big occasions. Decent player, not really good enough to take the title.

Andreev - best comeback of the 2007 is still mentaly a very fragile player. I find it hard to believe he can overcome any top player on any surface.

Starace, Del Potro, Calleri, wishfull thinking. If one of those could pull just one upset on clay, Id be satisfied. I feal they will all be out as soon as they face any seeded player.

Monaco - by his previous results maybe. Right now I dont know his form but he would be the closest thing.

Old school - Moya, Guga etc. Wishfull thinking.

Monfils - is he still a tennis player ?

Hewitt - he should go far if he has enough luck. He will eventually meet a better player and lose, quarters would be great for him.

I dont want to pretend I am smart or anything but I do think that we will hardly see any newcomers this year. At least not in the quarters or after. Nadal should dominate once again. Few top players except US guys will challange him mostly.


I think I got most of the things right here. Maybe , just maybe Ferrero has a ace in his sleeve. Thoughts on this guys ?

Otherside
05-20-2008, 11:38 AM
There are no dark horses on clay. Ferrer could have been if he'd kept going after the Masters Final but he seems to be completely out of it at the moment.

Roddick, blake, berdych, soderling, guys with firepower to bother the top 3 on a good day arent good enough on clay.

zagor
05-20-2008, 11:49 AM
I think I got most of the things right here. Maybe , just maybe Ferrero has a ace in his sleeve. Thoughts on this guys ?

You should add Wawrinka,he got to the finals of Rome where he took a set of Djokovic,played well in Barcelona,got to the top 10 for the first time in his career,has an amazing backhand and is probably most comfortable on clay.His best result so far at the FO is third round(three years ago,lost to Puerta who would go on to reach the finals),I expect him to go furher this year at the FO.

daddy
05-20-2008, 11:54 AM
You should add Wawrinka,he got to the finals of Rome where he took a set of Djokovic,played well in Barcelona,got to the top 10 for the first time in his career,has an amazing backhand and is probably most comfortable on clay.His best result so far at the FO is third round(three years ago,lost to Puerta who would go on to reach the finals),I expect him to go furher this year at the FO.

As usually a great contribution from Cedomir .. :) Seriously he is the one I overlooked but yet again, I'll point out that his backhand similarly to Kohlschreiber's deteriorates as the match goes on. He could do some damage now considering he is highest seeded ever coming into major but we shall se .. Thansk for the contribution though !

Nalbandian may come far, if he comes in the tourrney on fire.

Best of 5 sets is a ***** for the loser raned oponents, where top ranked guys can even drop a set but are able to recover and have enough margin for error, and once they switch on their best or close to best form, they are almost invincible, agree ?

zagor
05-20-2008, 12:00 PM
As usually a great contribution from Cedomir .. :) Seriously he is the one I overlooked but yet again, I'll point out that his backhand similarly to Kohlschreiber's deteriorates as the match goes on. He could do some damage now considering he is highest seeded ever coming into major but we shall se .. Thansk for the contribution though !

Nalbandian may come far, if he comes in the tourrney on fire.

Best of 5 sets is a ***** for the loser raned oponents, where top ranked guys can even drop a set but are able to recover and have enough margin for error, and once they switch on their best or close to best form, they are almost invincible, agree ?

I agree,I even remember Federer saying something like that best of three matches can be over very fast and that he likes the best of five more,as for Nalbandian I never know what to expect from him but he's a great player if he is on.
BTW how do you know my real name?

l_gonzalez
05-20-2008, 01:08 PM
Wawrinka is a very good player, but i still have doubts over his mental fortitude. I just don't think he has enough to take down the big players yet i feel like he can lose to anybody who is having a decent day on court.

daddy
05-20-2008, 01:47 PM
I agree,I even remember Federer saying something like that best of three matches can be over very fast and that he likes the best of five more,as for Nalbandian I never know what to expect from him but he's a great player if he is on.
BTW how do you know my real name?

Just a tease. Milan is mine btw, nice to meet you. ;)

zagor
05-20-2008, 01:50 PM
Just a tease. Milan is mine btw, nice to meet you. ;)

Nice to meet you as well.I remember now how you got my name,Zaragoza posted my real name here when I signed that petition.

tennis08tarheels
05-20-2008, 01:52 PM
Wawrinka and Almagro are the only ones outside the top 4 with a chance to make the final, in my opinion.

NamRanger
05-20-2008, 01:58 PM
Wawrinka is a very good player, but i still have doubts over his mental fortitude. I just don't think he has enough to take down the big players yet i feel like he can lose to anybody who is having a decent day on court.


He is the only one who has the game that has matched up well against both Djokovic and Nadal. Great backhand, solid forehand, excellent movement. He's solid from the back of the court, but is able to hit winners and create angles also.


Played well against Nadal and Djokovic on clay (he should have beaten Djokovic IMO, had he not mentally lapsed), so I expect him to do well at the FO.

daddy
05-20-2008, 01:58 PM
Wawrinka and Almagro are the only ones outside the top 4 with a chance to make the final, in my opinion.


They do not hav experience nor the toughness to stay in the hard important matches.Who's to say the'll not overcome that but its unlikely. But then again, that is why they are darkhorses correct ?

bamatennis07
05-20-2008, 03:55 PM
nadal........

tennis08tarheels
05-20-2008, 04:43 PM
They do not hav experience nor the toughness to stay in the hard important matches.Who's to say the'll not overcome that but its unlikely. But then again, that is why they are darkhorses correct ?

Well, neither did any of the AO darkhorse finalists, right? I just get the feeling that one of these guys might get a nice draw and cruise until the QF where they pull off an upset or two.

Andres
05-20-2008, 04:54 PM
Eduardo Schwank. The biggest DARKHORSE ever, since no one has ever heard from him, but he won 3 clay challengers in a row.

He'll probably won't make it past 3rd round if the qualifies, but if he does, he could give some seeds a big time scare.

fastdunn
05-20-2008, 04:59 PM
Thomaz Belucci (Brazil - 20 years old) has won 4 Challengers on clay this year including 3 in a 4 week period.


Eduardo Schwank (Argentina - 22 years old) has won 3 Challenger on clay in the last month.

It's worth mentioning that both of them have also done fairly well in doubles, Belucci winning one title and making 2 finals this year and Schwank has won 3 titles, all at Challenger level.

Maybe one of these two will blaze through the draw at Roland Garros and do a '97 Kuerten?

I think their only downfall is that they both have to qualify...

You know, things like 97's Guga, do happen a bit more often in French Open than other slams. Clay is so neutralizing and it rewards your desire/youth.

maybe Gulbis,Celic and Del Potro (not really good clay court players. But maybe surprising run-ups to quarter or semi-final...)

Steven87
05-20-2008, 05:33 PM
One word: CANAS (most underrated player)
And Olivier Patience

Leelord337
05-20-2008, 05:38 PM
marcel granollers pujol

Eastern Technifibre
05-20-2008, 05:38 PM
juan monaco and gilles simon

Eastern Technifibre
05-20-2008, 05:39 PM
One word: CANAS (most underrated player)
And Olivier Patience

oliver patience are you kidding me

BOZO
05-20-2008, 09:15 PM
Stanislas Wawrinka !!!!

flyer
05-20-2008, 09:18 PM
i don't think there are any, its a three horse race as far as im concerned, the closest would be Davydenko but I don't consider him a contender

blackfrido
05-21-2008, 02:34 PM
Coria and Puerta

slice bh compliment
05-21-2008, 05:09 PM
One word: CANAS (most underrated player)
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Wow, spoiler alert, not that it matters, but, Canas just lost a match in straight sets in Dusseldorf. You will not believe who beat him.

Leublu tennis
05-21-2008, 07:26 PM
Coria and Puerta

Funny. two three

grafrules
05-21-2008, 07:30 PM
i don't think there are any, its a three horse race as far as im concerned, the closest would be Davydenko but I don't consider him a contender

I would call Davydenko, Nalbandian, and Ferrer the 3 "dark horses". Maybe Wawrinka as well. Federer, Djokovic, and Nadal are by far the 3 favorites though I agree.

jmsx521
05-21-2008, 07:34 PM
I would actually sign out Coria and Puerta. Based on results and winning streaks both are not ready and not confident I think. Puerta I've got to watch live, and his ball bites well as it did before, but the percentages and consistency are not there.

Plus, you're looking for both to win their qualifying matches and the main draw matches? On clay that's a lot to ask for!

Andres
05-22-2008, 04:49 AM
Wow, spoiler alert, not that it matters, but, Canas just lost a match in straight sets in Dusseldorf. You will not believe who beat him.
You mean TWO matches... and you won't believe who beat him :?

Andres
05-22-2008, 04:50 AM
I would actually sign out Coria and Puerta. Based on results and winning streaks both are not ready and not confident I think. Puerta I've got to watch live, and his ball bites well as it did before, but the percentages and consistency are not there.

Plus, you're looking for both to win their qualifying matches and the main draw matches? On clay that's a lot to ask for!
Coria is in the main draw, I think. Protected ranking of #104 if I'm not mistaken.

Fedace
05-22-2008, 04:52 AM
I say Oscar Hernandez, clay specialist. Or Mardy Fish

blackfrido
05-22-2008, 04:56 AM
Coria is in the main draw, I think. Protected ranking of #104 if I'm not mistaken.

you are wrong is # 105 :oops:

Andres
05-22-2008, 04:57 AM
Crap!! :p

Still, he has direct entry, right?

Fedace
05-22-2008, 05:00 AM
you are wrong is # 105 :oops:

Do you think, Coria downfall was caused by the fact that he could no longer use steroids ?? or was he even using steroids to begin with ??:confused:

Sentinel
05-22-2008, 05:02 AM
I'd like to see Wawrinka do really well at RG. And Tsonga and even Gilles Simon.

Fedace
05-22-2008, 05:03 AM
I'd like to see Wawrinka do really well at RG. And Tsonga and even Gilles Simon.

Warinka will be Extremely dangerous. He will upset one of the big guns like Federer. Warinka will get to the semis this year.

Andres
05-22-2008, 05:10 AM
Do you think, Coria downfall was caused by the fact that he could no longer use steroids ?? or was he even using steroids to begin with ??:confused:
In my opinion, Coria's downfall was caused by:

1) the constant change of his service motion (from plattform, to pinpoint, back to plattform) to preserve his shoulder, and subsequent absolute loss of confidence on the stroke (leading to loads of DF) and

2) Huge confidence loss by losing to Rafael Nadal three times in a row in three finals in a row. Rome's final, IMO, was a devastating blow for Coria.

Sentinel
05-22-2008, 05:19 AM
In my opinion, Coria's downfall was caused by:

1) the constant change of his service motion (from plattform, to pinpoint, back to plattform) to preserve his shoulder,

Just one small aside, AG. What bearing does platform or pinpoint stance have on shoulder injury ?

btw, I do not know anything about Coria or his service motion. Is it the abbreviated type, or the Henin racket lift type.

boris becker 1
05-22-2008, 05:32 AM
robredo if he gets the right draw.

someone like montanes could reach th qf

blackfrido
05-22-2008, 06:16 AM
Do you think, Coria downfall was caused by the fact that he could no longer use steroids ?? or was he even using steroids to begin with ??:confused:

how can I respond to that question? ask Coria..........

blackfrido
05-22-2008, 06:17 AM
Crap!! :p

Still, he has direct entry, right?

Andres la verdad es que no se si es 104 or 105.........lo que se es que lo vi ayer parte del segundo y tercer set y esta jugando bastante bien!

Andres
05-22-2008, 07:02 AM
Just one small aside, AG. What bearing does platform or pinpoint stance have on shoulder injury ?

btw, I do not know anything about Coria or his service motion. Is it the abbreviated type, or the Henin racket lift type.
I cannot really say, since I have used pinpoint my entire life, but apparently, he said plattform made his shoulder hurt, so his coach suggested him to switch to pinpoint. The shoulder didn't hurt, and he was serving way bigger, but his % dropped. In fact, when this happened (early 2005) he was averaging 123 mph on his first serve (huge improvement) and even served 10 aces on clay against Berdych, including a 134 mph serve.

But his % was around 50%, instead of the 70+ he was used to.

Then, tried to go back to plattform and it was like he forgot how to serve, and the DF started to pile up.

blackfrido
05-23-2008, 02:26 PM
Andres, mirate esto se que te va a gustar (sos fana de Guccione, no?)

http://segundosaque.com/video/532/Roland+Garros+2008+%28Miercoles%29

icazares
05-23-2008, 02:37 PM
In my draw I have Federer losing to Monaco, Nadal to Verdasco and Djokovic to Moya. Federer will choke when he loses the first set to Monaco, Nadal will get absolutely exhausted and Moya will play the best match of his life because there is some extra motivation in playing against Djokovic. Haha, I have Davydenko winning a GS!! A dark horse for me, if you ask.

slice bh compliment
05-23-2008, 06:36 PM
Gooch to upset Nadal in 2nd round. You heard it here first.

kimrey
05-23-2008, 09:17 PM
Love Ferrero's chances at making a run. He has a good draw, and has the confidence from beating Nadal in his corner. With JCF it's all about confidence that he can compete with the best again