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ninman
04-11-2008, 07:28 AM
Who is the greatest player ever on Hardcourts? My vote goes to Federer.

bluetrain4
04-11-2008, 07:36 AM
Lendl would be a good choice also.

Possibly Agassi.

Even McEnroe or Sampras

Strobe Lights
04-11-2008, 08:22 AM
Just looking at the four years 2004-2007, Federer won 7 out of the 8 hardcourt Grand Slams (including 4 straight US Opens). He reached the semifinal of the one he didn't win, losing that epic five-setter with Safin, having had match points. In those four years, there were 20 hardcourt Masters Series events. Out of those 20, Federer reached the final of 14, winning 12 of them. Out of those 4 Masters Cups, Federer reached the final of all 4, winning 3 and losing the other in five sets. In those four years, he also won another 9 smaller hardcourt events.

Hard to argue with Roger Federer being the greatest hardcourter of all-time.

8PAQ
04-11-2008, 08:27 AM
Just looking at the four years 2004-2007, Federer won 7 out of the 8 hardcourt Grand Slams (including 4 straight US Opens). He reached the semifinal of the one he didn't win, losing that epic five-setter with Safin, having had match points. In those four years, there were 20 hardcourt Masters Series events. Out of those 20, Federer reached the final of 14, winning 12 of them. Out of those 4 Masters Cups, Federer reached the final of all 4, winning 3 and losing the other in five sets. In those four years, he also won another 9 smaller hardcourt events.

Hard to argue with Roger Federer being the greatest hardcourter of all-time.

He also has the longest winning streak on hard courts. So yeah. Fed is easily the GOAT on hardcourts.

zagor
04-11-2008, 08:29 AM
In my opinion it's Federer and I don't think he is done winning hardcourt slams yet even though he'll have a hard time doing that with Novak becoming a great force on that surface.

zagor
04-11-2008, 08:30 AM
Just looking at the four years 2004-2007, Federer won 7 out of the 8 hardcourt Grand Slams (including 4 straight US Opens). He reached the semifinal of the one he didn't win, losing that epic five-setter with Safin, having had match points. In those four years, there were 20 hardcourt Masters Series events. Out of those 20, Federer reached the final of 14, winning 12 of them. Out of those 4 Masters Cups, Federer reached the final of all 4, winning 3 and losing the other in five sets. In those four years, he also won another 9 smaller hardcourt events.

Hard to argue with Roger Federer being the greatest hardcourter of all-time.

Great post,yeah it's hard to beat those numbers.

roddick89
04-11-2008, 08:36 AM
Yep, Feds got this one as well.

Moose Malloy
04-11-2008, 08:38 AM
Most hardcourt majors:

Federer 7
Sampras 7
Agassi 6
Lendl 5(& AO was on grass during his prime)

shwetty[tennis]balls
04-11-2008, 08:38 AM
Fed--------

CyBorg
04-11-2008, 08:44 AM
Not many hardcourts before the 1980s.

gj011
04-11-2008, 09:07 AM
Just looking at the four years 2004-2007, Federer won 7 out of the 8 hardcourt Grand Slams (including 4 straight US Opens). He reached the semifinal of the one he didn't win, losing that epic five-setter with Safin, having had match points. In those four years, there were 20 hardcourt Masters Series events. Out of those 20, Federer reached the final of 14, winning 12 of them. Out of those 4 Masters Cups, Federer reached the final of all 4, winning 3 and losing the other in five sets. In those four years, he also won another 9 smaller hardcourt events.

Hard to argue with Roger Federer being the greatest hardcourter of all-time.

2004-2007 is not all-time. So your post proves only that he is the GO2004-2007.

Strobe Lights
04-11-2008, 09:11 AM
2004-2007 is not all-time. So your post proves only that he is the GO2004-2007.
It is a pity he wasn't playing in Grand Slams when he was 10 years old.

His performance in those 4 years shows him to be the most dominant and greatest hardcourter ever.

Vision84
04-11-2008, 09:15 AM
Just looking at the four years 2004-2007, Federer won 7 out of the 8 hardcourt Grand Slams (including 4 straight US Opens). He reached the semifinal of the one he didn't win, losing that epic five-setter with Safin, having had match points. In those four years, there were 20 hardcourt Masters Series events. Out of those 20, Federer reached the final of 14, winning 12 of them. Out of those 4 Masters Cups, Federer reached the final of all 4, winning 3 and losing the other in five sets. In those four years, he also won another 9 smaller hardcourt events.

Hard to argue with Roger Federer being the greatest hardcourter of all-time.

One could also argue Federer's competition was not as great as some other times and I would agree with this. I will not argue for A GOAT for the same reasons as I always have for there not being a GOAT in anything tennis related.

boredone3456
04-11-2008, 10:55 AM
I say Lendl because I think if the Aussie had been played on hardcourts at the time he would have the most hardcourt major wins...Fed is an extremely close second though

93sq.
04-11-2008, 11:02 AM
Federer/Sampras/Agassi


Hard to choose one out of these 3

bluetrain4
04-11-2008, 11:27 AM
I have no problems with Fed. And, if we are just going to look at hardcourt major wins, then it has to be Fed or Sampras.

But, I'm going to go with Lendl by a hair. As others have said, the AO was played on grass at the beginning of Lendly's career, yet he still has 5 hard court slams, made 8 consecutive US open finals, and has a bunch of other semis at hardcourt Slams. He has five year end championships (though I'm assuming most were on carpet, rather than indoor hardcourt), and he has around 7-9 (I went through his Wikipedia tourney list pretty quickly) hardcourt Masters equivalents including 2 or 3 Miami titles (then Ft. Myers and/or Boca West), Cincinatti, 5 Toronto/Montreal titles, as well as multiple Sydney Indoor titles (which used to be a big event with a stocked field and was actually hardcourt, not indoor carpet).

Again, Fed's a fine choice, but I'd wait until his career is over to do a real comparison.

veroniquem
04-11-2008, 11:30 AM
Lendl was very impressive, I agree

kay87
04-11-2008, 11:58 AM
Hardcourt GOAT as a kid:

http://www.websophist.com/GoatBoy.jpg

:grin:

veroniquem
04-11-2008, 12:04 PM
Is that your son?

ninman
04-11-2008, 01:13 PM
Just looking at the four years 2004-2007, Federer won 7 out of the 8 hardcourt Grand Slams (including 4 straight US Opens). He reached the semifinal of the one he didn't win, losing that epic five-setter with Safin, having had match points. In those four years, there were 20 hardcourt Masters Series events. Out of those 20, Federer reached the final of 14, winning 12 of them. Out of those 4 Masters Cups, Federer reached the final of all 4, winning 3 and losing the other in five sets. In those four years, he also won another 9 smaller hardcourt events.

Hard to argue with Roger Federer being the greatest hardcourter of all-time.

Sorry but some of your numbers are a little wrong, of the 20 hardcourt MS between 2004-2007 Federer entered 17, made 12 finals and won 10, he also had an overall hardcourt record during that period of 199-13, including a 56 and a 35 match winning streak during that period. In fact over 2005 and 2006 he went 109-3 that's winning 97.3% of matches played. Btw Masters cup is not played on hardcourts.

93sq.
04-11-2008, 01:17 PM
Hardcourt GOAT as a kid:

http://www.websophist.com/GoatBoy.jpg

:grin:

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/812/funny12oa9.jpg

Zimbo
04-11-2008, 09:52 PM
Lendl would be a good choice also.

Possibly Agassi.

Even McEnroe or Sampras

Yes sir, but don't forget about Connors

TheNatural
04-11-2008, 10:01 PM
Fed is the luxilon string goat.

Strobe Lights
04-12-2008, 01:41 AM
Sorry but some of your numbers are a little wrong, of the 20 hardcourt MS between 2004-2007 Federer entered 17, made 12 finals and won 10, he also had an overall hardcourt record during that period of 199-13, including a 56 and a 35 match winning streak during that period. In fact over 2005 and 2006 he went 109-3 that's winning 97.3% of matches played. Btw Masters cup is not played on hardcourts.
Yeah, dunno where I was pulling that 14 from. I thought the Masters Cup was now played on hardcourt?

ninman
04-12-2008, 05:03 AM
Yeah, dunno where I was pulling that 14 from. I thought the Masters Cup was now played on hardcourt?

It changes from year to year. In 2005 it was carpet, which is why Federer went 50-1 on hardcourts that year, in other years it's been hard court.

jgreen06
04-12-2008, 07:35 PM
fed

10 char

jgreen06
04-12-2008, 07:46 PM
other than federer, connors is up there with 12 straight years reaching uso semis (5 wins) and also lendl with 8 straight years to USO final (3 wins). cant think of any others with that kind of consistancy