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venusandserenafreak
04-11-2008, 01:05 PM
i have come to like playing with an eastern forehand grip. i was wondering what players on the ATP and WTA tours use that grip. it dosent seem that popular but i would like to know so i can watch some videos of them

gj011
04-11-2008, 01:11 PM
Stepanek is one, I think.

Andres
04-11-2008, 01:12 PM
ToJo looks like he uses an Eastern FH.

venusandserenafreak
04-11-2008, 01:24 PM
ToJo looks like he uses an Eastern FH.

who the heck is to jo

Lotto
04-11-2008, 01:26 PM
Well, it may not be an old fashioned full eastern grip but Federer does use a modified eastern grip. I can tell you that it's more eastern than "extreme". Sampras also used the eastern grip.

Vision84
04-11-2008, 01:30 PM
Henman used it. A lot of grass specialists used it before grass became to slow.

Andres
04-11-2008, 01:33 PM
who the heck is to jo
Thomas Johansson. Watch your language, newbie.

Tempest344
04-11-2008, 03:59 PM
How abot Davenport?


Henman used a Semi-western...he even says so on his website


Tim says: “I actually use a ‘Semi-Western’ grip on my forehand most of the time, occasionally I might need to use a bit more of a ‘Continental’ grip when returning serve by blocking it back in play, but from the back of the court I close the face more than that which helps create a little bit more topspin

from http://www.timhenman.org/qa/default.sps?iType=5890&icustompageid=21645

hoosierbr
04-11-2008, 11:34 PM
ToJo looks like he uses an Eastern FH.
Thomas Johansson uses a western forehand. Plenty of pics with close-ups.

Jonas Bjorkman uses an eastern.

BreakPoint
04-11-2008, 11:38 PM
Federer uses an eastern forehand grip.

(And before anyone claims otherwise, read the article on Federer's forehand in the May issue of Tennis Magazine. It says he uses an eastern forehand grip and NOT a semi-western forehand grip.)

wyutani
04-12-2008, 12:46 AM
i have come to like playing with an eastern forehand grip. i was wondering what players on the ATP and WTA tours use that grip. it dosent seem that popular but i would like to know so i can watch some videos of them

sampras, tim henman, connors (he's continental i think), mcenroe.

Djokovicfan4life
04-12-2008, 02:48 AM
Federer uses an eastern forehand grip.

(And before anyone claims otherwise, read the article on Federer's forehand in the May issue of Tennis Magazine. It says he uses an eastern forehand grip and NOT a semi-western forehand grip.)

Because a magazine has never gotten anything wrong before.

Andres
04-12-2008, 05:26 AM
Thomas Johansson uses a western forehand. Plenty of pics with close-ups.

Jonas Bjorkman uses an eastern.
I just saw him play vs Nalbandian on Davis Cup, and looked just like an Eastern. Nowhere near Western. Perhaps a veeeery mild SW, but that's about it.

Andres
04-12-2008, 05:27 AM
sampras, tim henman, connors (he's continental i think), mcenroe.
McEnroe used a continental.

lordmanji
04-12-2008, 06:48 AM
Thomas Johansson. Watch your language, newbie.

like anyone knows who "tojo" is. he wasn't being rude but you were so you should watch it.

iamke55
04-12-2008, 09:14 AM
There won't be any in after a decade. It's improper technique and with the evolution of the game, it will no longer hold up to the rapidly improving level of competition, just like the one handed backhand, moonballs, and volleying.

vince916
04-12-2008, 09:18 AM
Everyone is contradicting each other in this thread.

BreakPoint
04-12-2008, 09:18 AM
Because a magazine has never gotten anything wrong before.
Did you even read the article? They took close-up pics of his grip and analyzed the heck out of it. Have you? No, they did not get it wrong.

AznHylite
04-12-2008, 09:22 AM
Because a magazine has never gotten anything wrong before.

Well, Federer DOES use that grip on most of his forehands, so the magazine is right.

dirkgnuf
04-12-2008, 09:35 AM
Federer uses an eastern forehand grip.

(And before anyone claims otherwise, read the article on Federer's forehand in the May issue of Tennis Magazine. It says he uses an eastern forehand grip and NOT a semi-western forehand grip.)

Breakpoint and some of you other posters out there,
the OP asked for "eastern Forehand" He didn't stipulate if he wanted variants( extreme eastern etc) and In Yandell's acrticle in the tennis mag, he makes it clear it's an "extreme variant". So it does help to specify this so people don't get confused.

RB
04-12-2008, 11:19 AM
Connors used/uses a semi-western forehand

hoosierbr
04-12-2008, 11:47 AM
I just saw him play vs Nalbandian on Davis Cup, and looked just like an Eastern. Nowhere near Western. Perhaps a veeeery mild SW, but that's about it.
Go to getty images and type in his name. You'll find plenty of pics of his forehand grip. Might have looked different in person but clearly western.

obnoxious2
04-12-2008, 12:18 PM
Now I'm getting confused. What the heck is the difference between a western and eastern forehand. I know that a western forehand becomes the eastern backhand.

But watching some coach who posted on youtube it looked like the eastern hold looked like semi western.

BreakPoint
04-12-2008, 01:10 PM
Breakpoint and some of you other posters out there,
the OP asked for "eastern Forehand" He didn't stipulate if he wanted variants( extreme eastern etc) and In Yandell's acrticle in the tennis mag, he makes it clear it's an "extreme variant". So it does help to specify this so people don't get confused.
Read the article again. He never called it an "extreme variant".

What he did say is that it's NOT a semi-western grip, and that it's a "modified Eastern grip" only because "Federer keeps part of his hand off of the end of the grip".

Babb
04-12-2008, 01:13 PM
Because a magazine has never gotten anything wrong before.
No, because a guy with over 17,000 posts has never been wrong before.


;)

JW10S
04-12-2008, 01:35 PM
As far as I'm concerned the discussion of grips is a very ambiquous one at best. No two players hold the racquet the same. The notion that there is one Eastern grip and one Semi-western grip is very shortsighted. Almost everyone uses a variation or modification of a certain grip as some hold the racquet with their fingers close together, some with their fingers spread, some with part of their hand off the grip, some choke up, some with their knuckles aligned, some with their knuckles at an angle, and of course players use different grip sizes and different grip shapes which effect how they hold the racquet. Those variations make classifying a grip very difficult. Defining a grip as placing a certain knuckle on a certain bevel is useless. If you pick up a HEAD, Volkl, and Wilson racquet and place that certain knuckle on a certain bevel you'll find that your hand is in a different position relative to the racquet face in all 3 cases as all 3 racquets have different grip shapes. When I was coming up the term 'semi-western' meant any grip anywhere between an eastern and western grip, not just one particular grip. It's odd though that back when 3 of the 4 Slams were played on grass and continental and eastern grips were the norm no one who held their racquet between a continental and an eastern grip was said to have a 'semi-eastern' grip. There is not a more ambiguous term in tennis than 'semi-western'.

Babb
04-12-2008, 01:37 PM
^^^^
True dat.

Mansewerz
04-12-2008, 01:51 PM
Federer uses an eastern forehand grip.

(And before anyone claims otherwise, read the article on Federer's forehand in the May issue of Tennis Magazine. It says he uses an eastern forehand grip and NOT a semi-western forehand grip.)

If the magazine your talking about is "TENNIS", then read this. Yes it is old, but it shows how the same source can give out differing information.

http://www.tennis.com/yourgame/instructionarticles/forehand/forehand.aspx?id=85482

dirkgnuf
04-12-2008, 02:38 PM
Sorry Breakpoint, I had a quick read through the article, so you're right, he uses "modify". But for all intents and purposes, I know some on this board refer to a modified eastern with..(if i remember correctly the bevel diagram in the article is highlighted red on the bevel between eastern and western) and i think most people call that extreme eastern as well, just throwing that out there for people who may be confused...
the article Breakpoint is referring to just came out in this months(may or june?) 2008 issue, which has hit some newsstands, but not the tennis website etc.
Article is by John Yandell BTW.

BeHappy
04-12-2008, 03:01 PM
IMO, since part of Federer's hand is under the handle, it's a mild semi wetsern, and he gets the benefit of all the hand and arm rotation that goes with that.For this reason I would say his grip is more like Agassi's than Sampras's.

Golden Retriever
04-12-2008, 03:21 PM
Why even bother to find out what grip do they use? Just use the grip your hand tells you to.

JW10S
04-12-2008, 03:33 PM
Let me see if I've got it...Federer definitely uses either a 'semi-mild-quasi-kinda-sorta-maybe-I think-western' grip or an 'extreme-exaggerated-strong-modified-kinda-sorta-maybe-I think-eastern' grip--am I right? At just what point does one become the other? Again, as I mentioned in my earlier post, defining a certain player's grip in exact terms is useless as illustrated by the many inexact, vague, and contradictory terms used to describe player's grips in this thread alone--there are too many variables to consider.

stormholloway
04-12-2008, 04:50 PM
Read the article again. He never called it an "extreme variant".

What he did say is that it's NOT a semi-western grip, and that it's a "modified Eastern grip" only because "Federer keeps part of his hand off of the end of the grip".

And I read a Tennis Magazine where it said he had a semi western. I believe the truth is in between. I think his knuckle is right on the corner of the two bevels.

Someone has posted a photo here he's holding a full semi western. I don't believe he normally hits like this but sure enough it was a semi western grip.

I think when people call it "extreme eastern" they're being accurate.

BeHappy
04-12-2008, 05:11 PM
And I read a Tennis Magazine where it said he had a semi western. I believe the truth is in between. I think his knuckle is right on the corner of the two bevels.

Someone has posted a photo here he's holding a full semi western. I don't believe he normally hits like this but sure enough it was a semi western grip.

I think when people call it "extreme eastern" they're being accurate.

No, a grip like Sampras's was an extreme eastern, that is to say, a more extreme, ie, western, eastern than is normal.Federer's hand actually goes under the handle, which is where his hand and arm rotation come from, these two things make it a mild semi western.

stormholloway
04-12-2008, 05:41 PM
No, a grip like Sampras's was an extreme eastern, that is to say, a more extreme, ie, western, eastern than is normal.Federer's hand actually goes under the handle, which is where his hand and arm rotation come from, these two things make it a mild semi western.

Absolute and utter nonsense. It doesn't matter here the hand goes or anything else for that matter. It matters where the base knuckle is. Unless his knuckle is flush against that bevel then it's not a semi western grip.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/rcbowser120392/FO06_HL1.jpg

Not a semi western grip, and he's obviously done with his grip change by this point in the photo.

stormholloway
04-12-2008, 05:42 PM
Connors used/uses a semi-western forehand

Malarkey. Connors used continental.

BeHappy
04-12-2008, 05:43 PM
Absolute and utter nonsense. It doesn't matter here the hand goes or anything else for that matter. It matters where the base knuckle is. Unless his knuckle is flush against that bevel then it's not a semi western grip.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/rcbowser120392/FO06_HL1.jpg

Not a semi western grip, and he's obviously done with his grip change by this point in the photo.

what are you talking about?

If yur hand is underneath the handle, it's a semi western, his is half a bevel under the handle so it's a semi western.

BeHappy
04-12-2008, 05:44 PM
Malarkey. Connors used continental.

you have no idea what you're talking about and you're way out of your depth.

Fries-N-Gravy
04-12-2008, 07:28 PM
mcenroe used continental and he had some ridiculous groundies...

i really think the problem is people identify grips in too many different ways. i personally like to use the index knuckle and fed's knuckle is on the corner, between two surfaces. while i can see the other argument of people could use different places of their palm to power the racquet.

BreakPoint
04-12-2008, 07:42 PM
This is an Eastern forehand grip, folks:

http://s3.tinypic.com/27y4pbq.jpg

http://s3.tinypic.com/2qlanb7.jpg

TheNatural
04-12-2008, 07:54 PM
I agree with that.



IMO, since part of Federer's hand is under the handle, it's a mild semi wetsern, and he gets the benefit of all the hand and arm rotation that goes with that.For this reason I would say his grip is more like Agassi's than Sampras's.

stormholloway
04-12-2008, 10:36 PM
you have no idea what you're talking about and you're way out of your depth.

I just heard Jimmy Connors say he used a "shake hands grip" on the 2007 Wimbledon final DVD.

'Shake hands' is continental last time I checked. That's from his own mouth.

wyutani
04-12-2008, 10:51 PM
I just heard Jimmy Connors say he used a "shake hands grip" on the 2007 Wimbledon final DVD.

'Shake hands' is continental last time I checked. That's from his own mouth.

connors use the continental grip of EVERYTHING...

pow
04-13-2008, 03:13 AM
There won't be any in after a decade. It's improper technique and with the evolution of the game, it will no longer hold up to the rapidly improving level of competition, just like the one handed backhand, moonballs, and volleying.

Aside from moonballing, you just described Federer, the world's number one tennis player. Good job.

bluegrasser
04-13-2008, 03:18 AM
Connors used/uses a semi-western forehand

Geez ! Connors went from using a Con't grip to a SW - amazing - this is getting like a PJ thread.:-?

galain
04-13-2008, 03:31 AM
I always thought Enqvist was an Eastern grip player - as was Sanguinetti...but I'ma little confused now. Perhaps they were more Continental?

Tempest344
04-13-2008, 04:13 AM
all of them when they were youngins

Andres
04-13-2008, 11:09 AM
I just heard Jimmy Connors say he used a "shake hands grip" on the 2007 Wimbledon final DVD.

'Shake hands' is continental last time I checked. That's from his own mouth.
'Shake hands' is an Eastern. Try shaking someone's hand and check the gripping :)

coloskier
04-13-2008, 12:09 PM
Geez ! Connors went from using a Con't grip to a SW - amazing - this is getting like a PJ thread.:-?

Connors used a continental grip, that is why he hit with almost no topspin, just like McEnroe. He hit everything flat or with sidespin.

martin8768
04-13-2008, 12:22 PM
There won't be any in after a decade. It's improper technique and with the evolution of the game, it will no longer hold up to the rapidly improving level of competition, just like the one handed backhand, moonballs, and volleying.

your a idiot. the eastern forehand may not be used as much as SW these days but 1HBH and volleying etc are still a big part of the game. you fail

DJG
04-13-2008, 01:30 PM
Somebody should ask Fed - Hey Roger, show us how you hold your FH grip so we can take close-up pictures of it. Not sure it will ever settle the debate, but...

As for my view - it looks like my old FH grip, which is an eastern. Knuckle is on the edge between the bevels (more towards the "flat" side), palm is more "underneath". Not a SW, modified eastern at best. And yes, it is more "extreme" than Sampras' "V on-top of the racquet" FH grip.

pow
04-13-2008, 04:26 PM
Connors used a continental grip, that is why he hit with almost no topspin, just like McEnroe. He hit everything flat or with sidespin.

My friends hits a continental grip and he gets surprisingly good topspin. He comes over the ball with an aggressive swingpath, so it is possible to get spin with continental. I'm not sure about the pros discussed though.

stormholloway
04-13-2008, 04:43 PM
'Shake hands' is an Eastern. Try shaking someone's hand and check the gripping :)

I suppose that depends on how you shake, or how a shake translates to a racquet handle.

Connors said "shake hands" and his colleague said "continental". That's what I heard. I really don't even care at this point.

It's all a bunch of semantics. BeHappy insults me and says it's not an "extreme eastern" it's a "mild semi western". What the hell is the difference? Is there any? If there is a difference, then what is it? A millimeter?

kabob
04-13-2008, 05:06 PM
Federer changes his grip from eastern to modified to semi-western depending on the ball's positioning. Like this picture for instance; in the top picture, he's using a semi-western grip to hit a high ball and in the bottom, he's using a modified grip to hit a normal height ball. I've seen him completely go eastern for low balls.

http://www.revolutionarytennis.com/federer/federer%20forehand%20eyes.tvnz.xo.nz.left.forum_si te.right.jpg

Andres
04-13-2008, 05:36 PM
I suppose that depends on how you shake, or how a shake translates to a racquet handle.

Connors said "shake hands" and his colleague said "continental". That's what I heard. I really don't even care at this point.

It's all a bunch of semantics. BeHappy insults me and says it's not an "extreme eastern" it's a "mild semi western". What the hell is the difference? Is there any? If there is a difference, then what is it? A millimeter?
You're right. To me, an Extreme Eastern and a Mild SW is the same grip.

stormholloway
04-13-2008, 09:14 PM
Federer changes his grip from eastern to modified to semi-western depending on the ball's positioning. Like this picture for instance; in the top picture, he's using a semi-western grip to hit a high ball and in the bottom, he's using a modified grip to hit a normal height ball. I've seen him completely go eastern for low balls.

http://www.revolutionarytennis.com/federer/federer%20forehand%20eyes.tvnz.xo.nz.left.forum_si te.right.jpg

Well the pictures can't lie. The first picture seems to be the only one of his having such a true semi western grip.

Why not vary the grips for the forehand? Makes sense to me.

BreakPoint
04-13-2008, 09:18 PM
Well the pictures can't lie. The first picture seems to be the only one of his having such a true semi western grip.

Why not vary the grips for the forehand? Makes sense to me.
Are you referring to this pic?

http://s3.tinypic.com/27y4pbq.jpg

If so, that is a classic Eastern Grip. His palm is behind the handle and not underneath it in any way.

Beacon Hill
04-13-2008, 09:37 PM
I suppose that depends on how you shake, or how a shake translates to a racquet handle.

Connors said "shake hands" and his colleague said "continental". That's what I heard. I really don't even care at this point.

It's all a bunch of semantics. BeHappy insults me and says it's not an "extreme eastern" it's a "mild semi western". What the hell is the difference? Is there any? If there is a difference, then what is it? A millimeter?
An eastern forehand is a "shake hands" grip. A continental grip is a "hammer" grip. Shake hands with someone and compare it to how you hold onto a hammer and you will notice a difference.

In the picture a few posts above, Federer does not look like he is shaking hands with his racquet.

stormholloway
04-13-2008, 09:39 PM
Are you referring to this pic?

If so, that is a classic Eastern Grip. His palm is behind the handle and not underneath it in any way.

I'm referring to the picture I quoted. Are you joking?

stormholloway
04-13-2008, 09:42 PM
An eastern forehand is a "shake hands" grip. A continental grip is a "hammer" grip. Shake hands with someone and compare it to how you hold onto a hammer and you will notice a difference.

In the picture a few posts above, Federer does not look like he is shaking hands with his racquet.

Well, most say Connors used continental. He said he used shake hands. His colleague then said continental and Connors didn't object, so it's a mystery to me.

As for Federer, there's no way he uses a true eastern, as much as Breakpoint would love to believe this.... maybe for low balls.

skierpaul
04-13-2008, 09:48 PM
An eastern forehand is a "shake hands" grip. A continental grip is a "hammer" grip. Shake hands with someone and compare it to how you hold onto a hammer and you will notice a difference.


I use an eastern grip on my framing hammer! I'm a full time carpenter, btw.
:twisted:

stormholloway
04-13-2008, 09:54 PM
That's a pretty extreme grip. You must put a lot of spin on your nails.

BreakPoint
04-13-2008, 09:55 PM
I'm referring to the picture I quoted. Are you joking?
There was no quote at all in your post when I responded to it. It does show up now though. Don't know why.

BreakPoint
04-13-2008, 09:58 PM
Well, most say Connors used continental. He said he used shake hands. His colleague then said continental and Connors didn't object, so it's a mystery to me.

Borg used to say that he used a Western forehand grip when in fact he used an Eastern forehand grip. I think many pros just use what's comfortable for them and what they're most familiar without even knowing the technical names for the grips they use.

stormholloway
04-13-2008, 10:02 PM
I think people around here are probably more scientific with their obsession of grips and strings etc. than 99.9% of professionals.

If Borg used eastern then why were people so obsessed with his 'extreme' grip and how he could never win on grass with it? I always thought it was semi western.

BreakPoint
04-13-2008, 10:10 PM
If Borg used eastern then why were people so obsessed with his 'extreme' grip and how he could never win on grass with it? I always thought it was semi western.
I think that was more because he was a baseliner that didn't know how to serve and volley when he first went to Wimbledon and also because of his big, loopy, topspin swings which are not as good dealing with low, skidding balls. People also thought that his topspin shots which go very high over the net would be easy pickings at the net for a good volleyer, like McEnroe, for example.

heycal
04-13-2008, 10:25 PM
I think people around here are probably more scientific with their obsession of grips and strings etc. than 99.9% of professionals.

Probably so. I remember being very surprised when some interviewer asked James Blake about how the surface was playing at some tournament (it might have been 2007 AO, but not sure), and he basically said something to the effect that he was the worst guy in the world to ask about such things because he didn't really pay attention to the nuances of different courts, nor alter his game or gear in any way for different courts.

TheNatural
04-14-2008, 02:19 AM
This year at Sydney he was complaining that the new surface was slower than last year(he won last year and lost early this year) and didn't suite his game as well so he must be paying more attention to these things these days.

Probably so. I remember being very surprised when some interviewer asked James Blake about how the surface was playing at some tournament (it might have been 2007 AO, but not sure), and he basically said something to the effect that he was the worst guy in the world to ask about such things because he didn't really pay attention to the nuances of different courts, nor alter his game or gear in any way for different courts.

Addi
04-14-2008, 05:19 AM
I don't even know why there's such a big fuss about what grip the pros use. what do you think will you get if you use the same grip as federer? I mean actually spin is not about the grip but about the swingpath.

btw. the pimp himself uses an eastern...

addi

RB
04-14-2008, 07:08 AM
Borg used to say that he used a Western forehand grip when in fact he used an Eastern forehand grip. I think many pros just use what's comfortable for them and what they're most familiar without even knowing the technical names for the grips they use.

Absolutely--ive seen Connors play in person---take a look at some pics --he hits his forehand with his hand BEHIND the racquet-----not on top of it---

RB
04-14-2008, 07:22 AM
http://bermansports.com/images/500-connors02a.jpg

there you go

Addi
04-14-2008, 07:26 AM
http://bermansports.com/images/500-connors02a.jpg

there you go
in the pic it seems to be a semi-western (the index finger's knuckle is on the fourth bevel).

addi

heycal
04-14-2008, 08:01 AM
This year at Sydney he was complaining that the new surface was slower than last year(he won last year and lost early this year) and didn't suite his game as well so he must be paying more attention to these things these days.

That's weird. Because he was quite explicit last year in his remarks, saying how it's kind of embarasing to be a world top 10 player and not really care/notice surfaces, and how unlike some of his peers, he does not string or play differently depending of the surface, and just goes out there and plays his game.

fastdunn
04-14-2008, 08:30 AM
this picture of federer at estoril looks very classic eastern to me

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/photo?slug=71d925cde43dd1fa060ae2a36c9903da-getty-tennis-atp-por-esp-sui-federer&prov=getty

i think roger answered on his grip at rogerfederer.com: basically he said "i don't know" as i recall.

skierpaul
04-14-2008, 09:51 AM
On the topic of pro players not being "in tune" with everything...

I think I can provide a little bit of insight on this, being pro skier on the IFSA Freeskiing Circuit.

People would frequently ask me stuff, like:
"What skis should I buy"
"How much does your equipment cost"
"what do you think about >insert whatever here<"

Most of the time I had no answer, because, for example, the gear that I'm on, is so drastically different from what they need. Likewise the topics that I read up on are completely different than what recreation skiers read in their magazines. For example, most avid recreational skiers have a much more in depth knowledge of what equipment is out there in the retail market. I know about my sponsors gear, and about the specialty, high performance skis that my competitors are on, but I have no clue about anything for the "average joe".

People would ask about what was I working on in my skiing, thinking that if they applied the same focuses, they would be instantly brought up to my level. My focus would be on some rediculous nuance that would fine tune just a fraction of one phase in a turn, when they needed to be focused on basic fundamentals.... fundamentals that are second nature to me and require no thought what-so-ever.

Most likely tennis pros are likewise focused on obscure things for the same reason. A grip, something that Rodger has been doing since before he could read and wright, is completely trivial to him. Not that he hasn't experimented with it, its just that he probably played with his hand placement over time and found what works best for him. He's thinking of the shot he needs to make, and the grip just happens. His body knows what to do to make that shot. This is probably why, there are pics of him with an eastern grip, and pics of him with a semi-western. This is the same reason, when skiing, I'll use terrain unweighing on one turn, and absorption on the next while arcing GS turns down a mogul run. Its just what I need to do to make the turn shape that I need to make. I don't think about the process at all, at that level, you just execute.

Djokovicfan4life
04-14-2008, 10:15 AM
If the magazine your talking about is "TENNIS", then read this. Yes it is old, but it shows how the same source can give out differing information.

http://www.tennis.com/yourgame/instructionarticles/forehand/forehand.aspx?id=85482

Uh oh, what's this, differing information from the same source? This has got to be the first time that has EVER happened. :roll:

But on second thought, there's probably no point in arguing with BreakPoint. He's always right and you're wrong, regardless of logic.

Plus the OP was referring to the classic eastern grip, making this whole argument irrelevant.

obnoxious2
04-14-2008, 10:21 AM
Federer's arms are soo skinny. I remember seeing him change shirts during a changeover this year and he looked hella skinny. And don't blame it on the mono.

Djokovicfan4life
04-14-2008, 10:36 AM
An eastern forehand is a "shake hands" grip. A continental grip is a "hammer" grip. Shake hands with someone and compare it to how you hold onto a hammer and you will notice a difference.

In the picture a few posts above, Federer does not look like he is shaking hands with his racquet.

No wonder I was always confused about grips, my dad told me that continental was the "shake hands" grip. :neutral:

I always thought I was using continental when I first started when in reality I was using eastern. Backhand volleys with an eastern forehand, I shudder just thinking about it now. Not that it matters anyway, semi-western owns both grips, at least for my game it does.

stormholloway
04-14-2008, 12:27 PM
I think that was more because he was a baseliner that didn't know how to serve and volley when he first went to Wimbledon and also because of his big, loopy, topspin swings which are not as good dealing with low, skidding balls. People also thought that his topspin shots which go very high over the net would be easy pickings at the net for a good volleyer, like McEnroe, for example.

Good point. I mean, Hewitt uses a western grip and Federer is nowhere near that extreme, yet Federer puts more spin on his forehands.

stormholloway
04-14-2008, 12:32 PM
Most likely tennis pros are likewise focused on obscure things for the same reason. A grip, something that Rodger has been doing since before he could read and wright, is completely trivial to him. Not that he hasn't experimented with it, its just that he probably played with his hand placement over time and found what works best for him. He's thinking of the shot he needs to make, and the grip just happens. His body knows what to do to make that shot. This is probably why, there are pics of him with an eastern grip, and pics of him with a semi-western. This is the same reason, when skiing, I'll use terrain unweighing on one turn, and absorption on the next while arcing GS turns down a mogul run. Its just what I need to do to make the turn shape that I need to make. I don't think about the process at all, at that level, you just execute.

"Read and wright". Hehe...

I agree though. There's no sense in changing your grips around unless you plan on changing your swing. Grips and swings are part of the same entity. If you change your grip you will, to some degree, have to change your swing if you want the same result.

heycal
04-14-2008, 12:32 PM
The funny thing about this argument is that it seems that those of us who use eastern grips ourselves want to label Federer's grip some version of eastern, while semi-western users want to label his grip as semi-western. It reveals more about our own biases and insecurities than it does about Federer's actual grip.

Maybe we think we're doing something right if we use the same grip as Federer, even though his grip should be and is completely irrelevant to any of our games.

heycal
04-14-2008, 12:36 PM
"Read and wright". Hehe...

We all make wacky mistakes like this. Didn't you once refer to 9/11 as 9/12?

skierpaul
04-14-2008, 01:07 PM
"Read and wright". Hehe...


Now I can say I've been playing tennis since before I could write!:shock:

heycal
04-14-2008, 05:03 PM
Now I can say I've been playing tennis since before I could write!:shock:

Do know Greg Needell, skierpaul?

skierpaul
04-14-2008, 05:29 PM
Do know Greg Needell, skierpaul?

That name sounds really familiar... can't place it though. I don't know him personally. Should I?

heycal
04-14-2008, 05:41 PM
That name sounds really familiar... can't place it though. I don't know him personally. Should I?

ski coach, I think.

skierpaul
04-14-2008, 06:18 PM
ski coach, I think.

That explains the familiarity, is he out of Steamboat; tennis player? I thought I knew most of the sports club coaches up here... Just trying to make the connection.

heycal
04-14-2008, 06:20 PM
That explains the familiarity, is he out of Steamboat; tennis player? I thought I knew most of the sports club coaches up here... Just trying to make the connection.

U.S. ski team I think.

stormholloway
04-14-2008, 06:58 PM
We all make wacky mistakes like this. Didn't you once refer to 9/11 as 9/12?

Yeah, but his mistake was ironic, or did you not notice it...

stormholloway
04-14-2008, 06:59 PM
The funny thing about this argument is that it seems that those of us who use eastern grips ourselves want to label Federer's grip some version of eastern, while semi-western users want to label his grip as semi-western. It reveals more about our own biases and insecurities than it does about Federer's actual grip.

Maybe we think we're doing something right if we use the same grip as Federer, even though his grip should be and is completely irrelevant to any of our games.

Most definitely true. "I wanna be, I wanna be, I wanna be like Fed."

heycal
04-14-2008, 07:04 PM
Yeah, but his mistake was ironic, or did you not notice it...

I was just kidding about your mistake. I don't actually recall you ever referring to 9/11 as 9/12. (Though I do remember an episode of the Ali G. show where he was calling it 7/11.)

stormholloway
04-14-2008, 09:42 PM
Classic Ali G.

spikyblackhair
04-14-2008, 10:02 PM
Wow, is it really soon enough already to joke about 9/11 in Europe?

Even if it's more of a joke about how stupid your comedic character is, I can't imagine being able to do that stateside. The joke would just fall flat. Then again, I'm more politically motivated and patriotic than a lot of people, so maybe I'm just projecting my feelings onto how I perceive others.

heycal
04-14-2008, 10:39 PM
Wow, is it really soon enough already to joke about 9/11 in Europe?

Even if it's more of a joke about how stupid your comedic character is, I can't imagine being able to do that stateside. The joke would just fall flat.

The joke aired here on U.S. television, and may have even been filmed here as part of an interview he conducted with an American. And it didn't fall flat at all, as Storm and I can evidently attest to.

I also remember someone relaying to me a 9/11-related joke the American comedienne Sarah Silverman apparently told an American audience not long after the event.

spikyblackhair
04-14-2008, 10:42 PM
OK, so I am just exceptionally patriotic... that makes me sad. I guess I shouldn't really be surprised, though. Even the war in Iraq is yesterday's news to a lot of people. They just don't care anymore unless they have relatives over there.

heycal
04-14-2008, 10:46 PM
Found the clip of the Silverman bit, if you're interested. Might make your hair stand on end though:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/137950/sarah_silverman_9_11/

Addi
04-14-2008, 10:57 PM
Maybe we think we're doing something right if we use the same grip as Federer, even though his grip should be and is completely irrelevant to any of our games.
if I play the same grip as the pimpster himself (radek stepanek), will I get the hot chicks of my club?

addi

spikyblackhair
04-14-2008, 11:01 PM
Wow. The last joke was funny, but the first two were pretty lame.

On the one hand, it's good that she was trying to bring a sense of normalcy back to American life, but I'm sure the people who lost friends and relatives didn't appreciate the jokes. I also can't like the fact that it exposed in a way how typically normal American life is self centered and is based on keeping yourself as ignorant as possible to the problems in the rest of the world. Well, I like the fact that it was exposed, actually, but I don't like how it's true. I know it was a joke, but most Americans really would consider the caloric value of soy lattes or whatever more important than rebuilding Iraq or the Kosovar declaration of independence.

heycal
04-14-2008, 11:04 PM
^
I sense this gal has got you intrigued, spikyhair.

spikyblackhair
04-14-2008, 11:29 PM
Hehe, I've seen her comedy before, and she's alright... never thought that she was all that attractive, if that's what you mean :lol: She's OK, but not great.

That particular bit is exceptionally interesting and socially significant, though. It makes a few different statements about American culture between the lines.

RB
04-15-2008, 04:46 AM
in the pic it seems to be a semi-western (the index finger's knuckle is on the fourth bevel).

addi

Yep like i said earlier-semi western grip----

my_forehand
04-15-2008, 06:40 AM
An eastern forehand is a "shake hands" grip. A continental grip is a "hammer" grip. Shake hands with someone and compare it to how you hold onto a hammer and you will notice a difference.

In the picture a few posts above, Federer does not look like he is shaking hands with his racquet.

Stop! HAMMER time!

Killer-Angle
04-15-2008, 09:26 AM
Berdych?? ...eastern!!

ilovetennis212
09-13-2013, 10:57 PM
There won't be any in after a decade. It's improper technique and with the evolution of the game, it will no longer hold up to the rapidly improving level of competition, just like the one handed backhand, moonballs, and volleying.

Improper you say??