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Benhur
04-11-2008, 09:41 PM
http://www.sportsya.com/english/news.php/Rafael_Nadal_criticized_dislikes_ATP_new_changes_i n_schedule.html?id_estruc=283&id=175286

Rafael Nadal is happy for having taken the first win for Spain in Davis Cup tie against Germany, highlighted how much this tournament means for him, and criticized the changes in ATP schedule, which he called them "nonsense

"To be honest, ATP authorities make our life miserable. These changes delay AMS Miami and Indian Wells one week because of the 'Basketball College', even though I respect that decision because it is important for them. But let us play anyway!", Nadal said.

"The fact that a tennis world tour depends much on the American 'Basketball College' is absolute nonsense. We have to play four straight weeks, we have just three AMS on clay and, to top it all, we must play all of them in just four weeks, in addition to a major tournament like Barcelona. Itís crazy for all the European players and players specialized in clay", world-ranked no. 2 added.

"Iím fed up with saying the same thing over and over, but it seems ATP authorities have another perspective, so I have to respect that". Nadal insisted on stating how much it means for him to play Davis Cup despite it affects his personal career

"Playing Davis Cup is something special because you play for your country and for your teammates, that makes it so special. Iíve been there as much as I could and Iíll be there throughout my career. Yet, I think some changes must been made in order to make more fans get more interested in the tournament, and the players get more motivation to be part of it. This is so because the schedule is a mess".

Still, he feels glad for his win over Nicolas Kiefer despite the tiredness for such a long stay in the United States. "I feel more tired than usual, I could feel it on the court", the player born in Manacor, Mallorca, explained.

"Itís been tough, but I could win anyway. Itís a pity I couldnít make profit of the break point chance in seven times. Iíve played fine, I guess", Nadal said about his match against Kiefer, who lost to him twice in just one week.

"The first set was a battle, the one who lose it would never recover from the shock; then I managed to improve a little in the second set since I made profit of Kieferís falling apart", Nadal remarked.

flyer
04-11-2008, 09:46 PM
I completely understand his perspective and I think he makes some great, great points and valid arguments for them, ATP aside though if hes tired that is bad, he better not play either barcelona or Hamburg if he wants to be 100% going into the Fench

vince916
04-11-2008, 10:06 PM
Should of kept with the regular schedule since the coverage was still horrible when they delayed it a week.

Nadal_Freak
04-11-2008, 10:17 PM
ATP Tour really screwed Nadal this year. I think Nadal had a shot for number 1 but thanks to the schedule, it might not happen. Nadal needs to withdraw from Barcelona and tank at Hamburg. Stop complaining and just make sure you're 100% for the French Open.

tzinc
04-12-2008, 12:21 AM
The problem is he's great on clay so he has to play those :(

vndesu
04-12-2008, 01:23 AM
ATP Tour really screwed Nadal this year. I think Nadal had a shot for number 1 but thanks to the schedule, it might not happen. Nadal needs to withdraw from Barcelona and tank at Hamburg. Stop complaining and just make sure you're 100% for the French Open.

how did they screw him over?
did he not have the choice to go to the tournament or not?
all i hear is excuses

Rataplan
04-12-2008, 02:00 AM
did he not have the choice to go to the tournament or not?
all i hear is excuses
All you want to hear is that it's an excuse perhaps but take a step back and look at it. Nadal has a point and has enough reason to be ****ed off about it.

The fact is that he shouldn't have to make such tough choices but he's forced to do so thanks to an overcrowded, crappy clay court schedule and for what? American TV networks dictating the ATP schedule and letting College basketball in the US have an influence over the entire tennis schedule. Who cares what happens to the clay court season anyway? Most American players suck at it or don't achieve much on it anyway so that works out even better for them. No wonder Roddick defends this De Villiers clown.

The ATP has lost a lot of money in the dispute with Hamburg and I hope that those lawyers keep going and make them bleed for it. It's time that mr. Disney & co learn to THINK (with the best interest of all the players in mind) before ACTING or else PAY for it in hard cash.

The ATP schedule is more about money than about what's in the best interest of all the players.

coloskier
04-12-2008, 06:04 AM
The ATP schedule is more about money than about what's in the best interest of all the players.

And it always will be. An unfortunate fact of life in the sporting world. It always will be about money.

zagor
04-12-2008, 06:23 AM
He's right to critize them,I completely agree with him.He should have a fair chance to earn as much points as possible on his favourite surface,messing up the claycourt season because of American college basketball is a complete joke.I personally don't care that much about claycourt tennis but this is very unfair to claycourt specialists,they earn their bread on clay.

daddy
04-12-2008, 06:26 AM
I am amased someone gave this thread a one star ? So he is not correct to criticise the ATP for this ? What real tennis fan would give one star to the thread talking about how tennis is not apreciated enough in states ?

The man is correct, he has to play 4 tourneys in 4 weeks to defend his points and thus he will have a possible 20 matches in 28 days, having in mind we are talking about Nadal it is very probable that he will play no less than 18 or 19.

Gugafan
04-12-2008, 07:33 AM
It is a ridiculous decision by the ATP to cram three masters series events into four weeks. There is already a large number of players complaining about having an extended off season to recuperate.

De Villers has made some real ****-ups in organisation of ATP events. Firstly by introducing a round robin format which was completely flawed and also the manner in which Davydenko was treated.

Nadal will deffo have to withdraw from one of the clay court events to stay in good condition for the FO.

flyer
04-12-2008, 07:42 AM
how did they screw him over?
did he not have the choice to go to the tournament or not?
all i hear is excuses

How did they screw him over?!?! They crammed 3 masters series, which he has a final and 2 championships to defend, and one high level tourny championship to defend, basically he as to play everyday for a month strait to defend his points and then be expected to be 100% to defend his FO title, thats how they screwed him over, its not an excuse, it is completely unreasonable and ridiculously unfair, you you cant see that your an idiot. Of course he has a choice but the tournaments should be scheduled so that a player can have adequate preparation and recovery time, as they were in the past, and now because of March Madness he is at an extreme disadvantage...what if they crammed Cinci, Canada, Miami, and Dubai into four weeks then said ok Roger go play the USO. You get the point...

rafan
04-12-2008, 07:46 AM
I am amased someone gave this thread a one star ? So he is not correct to criticise the ATP for this ? What real tennis fan would give one star to the thread talking about how tennis is not apreciated enough in states ?

The man is correct, he has to play 4 tourneys in 4 weeks to defend his points and thus he will have a possible 20 matches in 28 days, having in mind we are talking about Nadal it is very probable that he will play no less than 18 or 19.

Pretty sickened by the way tennis is not appreciated worldwide. Rafa does have a point and the fact he had to "accommodate" another sport really annoys me. If it was not for the internet, some tennis match results would be limited to a few miserable lines in the morning paper after the horse racing results - just cannot believe it!

Nadal_Freak
04-12-2008, 08:04 AM
How did they screw him over?!?! They crammed 3 masters series, which he has a final and 2 championships to defend, and one high level tourny championship to defend, basically he as to play everyday for a month strait to defend his points and then be expected to be 100% to defend his FO title, thats how they screwed him over, its not an excuse, it is completely unreasonable and ridiculously unfair, you you cant see that your an idiot. Of course he has a choice but the tournaments should be scheduled so that a player can have adequate preparation and recovery time, as they were in the past, and now because of March Madness he is at an extreme disadvantage...what if they crammed Cinci, Canada, Miami, and Dubai into four weeks then said ok Roger go play the USO. You get the point...
Well said.

jmsx521
04-12-2008, 08:45 AM
If the ATP has the authority, then why don't they spread the Masters' series evenly across the calendar? Do they have the authority... how does it work?

Aabye
04-12-2008, 08:56 AM
I think the ATP does have the authority, and this year they used it to move the MS closer together rather than farther apart.

The reason for the change is touched upon in the original article. They wanted coverage of the events in IW and Miami and, because of the Final Four, couldn't get it if they didn't jostle the schedule.

So they had the brilliant idea of squeezing all of the major claycourt events into 4 weeks. Which is a bad idea on the surface and a worse idea when you look at underlying factors like how it affects a player like Nadal.

Now, it isn't their job to cater to any one player, but it also isn't fair to try to make someone defend all their points from the previous year after screwing around with the amount of recovery time they have.

tzinc
04-12-2008, 10:14 AM
This again shows what a CLASS player Nadal is and how the Nadal-haters are out to lunch! It's hurting him to play for his country BUT HE'S DOING IT. What you call excuses are in fact an example of him NOT using excuses but getting out there and DOING IT!

edberg505
04-12-2008, 11:20 AM
Hmm, why is he the only one complaining? Surely other people are affected by this change as well.

Nadal_Freak
04-12-2008, 11:24 AM
Hmm, why is he the only one complaining? Surely other people are affected by this change as well.
Most players don't get to the Finals of every tournament.

ninman
04-12-2008, 11:28 AM
Most players don't get to the Finals of every tournament.

I think in a way Federer will be happy about this, because he knows that he's now basically guaranteed to be number 1 until the French Open. Even Nadal can't win 4 tournaments in 4 weeks on clay. It also means he might get a chance to add Monte Carlo and Rome to his collection and potentially beat Nadal again on clay.

xxxabc123xxx
04-12-2008, 11:32 AM
Is this done through a traslator because there is not way Nadal can actually speak English like this.

daddy
04-12-2008, 02:27 PM
I think in a way Federer will be happy about this, because he knows that he's now basically guaranteed to be number 1 until the French Open. Even Nadal can't win 4 tournaments in 4 weeks on clay. It also means he might get a chance to add Monte Carlo and Rome to his collection and potentially beat Nadal again on clay.

Federer can lose his ranking only if he plays bad and the calendar is not that important in this case. If he was as good as usually he would reach finals or semis in all clay court events thus he would not lose because of the good play. Since he is not, he can lose it anyways because - he still has a lot of points to defend. Remains to be seen how will he play on dirt.

superstition
04-12-2008, 02:49 PM
If the ATP staff wants to manage basketball, I'm sure there are people who will replace them.

bcast66
04-12-2008, 05:54 PM
i hate Nadal, that being said i think he does not understand how much college basketball means to people. also from my understanding... based on the commentators he is the most fit person on the tour (which he most definitely is NOT). he is more of a cry baby than roddick.

bcast66
04-12-2008, 05:58 PM
how did they screw him over?
did he not have the choice to go to the tournament or not?
all i hear is excuses

me to nadal is a little(im not going to swear, he isnt worth it) OMG I HATE HIM. nadal= fruity

Benhur
04-12-2008, 06:48 PM
i hate Nadal, that being said i think he does not understand how much college basketball means to people.

Of course basketball means a lot to many people. What Nadal is saying is: Sure, I understand that and respect it. But why can't we play tennis as usual?

If your are going to start shifting tournaments around because they coincide with other sports that "mean a lot" to many people, there is no end to it. World Cup soccer is the most important sports event in the world *by far*, every four years. But since it coincides with Wimbledon, let's move Wimbledon up or down a couple of weeks and wreck the rest of the tennis schedule. There is American football during the US Open final. Football means a lot to many people too, so let's move the US Open to non-football season... and so on indefinitely.

Wrecking an already packed tennis calendar and cramming 3 masters series events + Barcelona in 4 weeks, just before RG and just after Davis Cup -- all because of college basketball in the US, is patently absurd. As a poster mentioned here: how about packaging Montreal, Cincinnati, Miami and Dubai in a 4-week box, just before the US Open?

Indian Wells and Miami don't prevent anyone from watching college basketball or anything else, if that's what they want to do.

Nadal_Freak
04-12-2008, 06:52 PM
i hate Nadal, that being said i think he does not understand how much college basketball means to people. also from my understanding... based on the commentators he is the most fit person on the tour (which he most definitely is NOT). he is more of a cry baby than roddick.
*******s just keep on coming. Ridiculous comments.

Tennis_Monk
04-12-2008, 08:47 PM
i hate Nadal, that being said i think he does not understand how much college basketball means to people. also from my understanding... based on the commentators he is the most fit person on the tour (which he most definitely is NOT). he is more of a cry baby than roddick.

You probably dont understand how many people DONT care about american college basket ball.

daddy
04-13-2008, 05:21 AM
i hate Nadal, that being said i think he does not understand how much college basketball means to people. also from my understanding... based on the commentators he is the most fit person on the tour (which he most definitely is NOT). he is more of a cry baby than roddick.

Well then people should choose between tennis and basketball. Definitly the wrong way to go about this is to destroy ATP shedule because of it.

bcast66
04-13-2008, 06:45 AM
*******s just keep on coming. Ridiculous comments.

i hate fed with a passion. but i hate nadal more.

daddy
04-13-2008, 07:00 AM
i hate fed with a passion. but i hate nadal more.

You must be ... a cricket fan ? What are you doing on a tennis board if you hate the worlds best players ?

..

drive
04-13-2008, 07:03 AM
i hate Nadal, that being said i think he does not understand how much college basketball means to people. also from my understanding... based on the commentators he is the most fit person on the tour (which he most definitely is NOT). he is more of a cry baby than roddick.

Do you think that people from the rest of the world care about US college basketball? for you people = some US people, what an idiot. It's a shame that ATP calendar depends on things like that..

veroniquem
04-13-2008, 07:11 AM
You can't argue with a hater, they're not open to rational arguments...

zagor
04-13-2008, 07:23 AM
i hate Nadal, that being said i think he does not understand how much college basketball means to people. also from my understanding... based on the commentators he is the most fit person on the tour (which he most definitely is NOT). he is more of a cry baby than roddick.

I couldn't care less for college basketball and I'm sure most non-Americans feel the same,also Nadal has every right to criticize ATP for this ridicilous decision.

flyer
04-13-2008, 07:49 AM
i hate Nadal, that being said i think he does not understand how much college basketball means to people. also from my understanding... based on the commentators he is the most fit person on the tour (which he most definitely is NOT). he is more of a cry baby than roddick.

your an id**t and should be banned, it doesnt matter how much people care about college basketball its not related to tennis, they are completely different sports and tennis should not base any of their decisions on college basketball, your obviously not nearly intelligent enough to understand that. Second you obviously do not like Nadal because what the heck does this have to do with his fitness and him being fruity??? Yeah nothing again your an id**t. Also Im sure your a Fed fan whose feathers are roused up to call Nadal a cry baby...I guess throwing rackets, yelling profanity, and making excuses for every lose, and having a gut would make him what you consider not to be a cry baby and the most fit player. BEAT IT ID**T.

TennezSport
04-13-2008, 08:56 AM
While I also agree with Rafa's comments on this issue as he is trying to defend the points that keep him in the #2 spot, however, lets look at it from the ATP vista.

ATP is pushed by the TV networks and they have a lot of money in one hand in BB and a little less money in the other hand with Tennis. TVN says.....So....let me see we can take the big money BB and push the little money tennis schedule so that we can capitalize on both. WIN WIN for TV!!! :shock: Who cares about the players and their feelings, they are just pawns on our playing board. The ATP says........Uh OK, show me the money.

So while it's not a great thing to do for the players or the sport, it's great for TV networks. This will continue to happen to Tennis until they get there own channel like the Golf channel (TTC doesn't cut it), so we better get used to it for now.

TennezSport :cool:

raiden031
04-13-2008, 09:46 AM
All I can say is screw college basketball!

miniRafa386
04-13-2008, 11:04 AM
the atp should get rid of an AMS during the clay season, prefferably hamburg, cause no one cares about that one. monte carlo and rome are the big clay AMS of the year. or they should spread out the tournies more than what the have now.

miniRafa386
04-13-2008, 11:07 AM
also, they have two ESPN channels for a reason, just put college BB on ESPN, and tennis on ESPN 2. that simple

daddy
04-13-2008, 11:10 AM
the atp should get rid of an AMS during the clay season, prefferably hamburg, cause no one cares about that one. monte carlo and rome are the big clay AMS of the year. or they should spread out the tournies more than what the have now.

ATP should not get rid of any tennis event as long as it is a good one. As for who cares, tennis fans care. And speaking about hamburg, that one will be changed and Hamburg lost its masters title - that was all the talk last year. I think that this year is the last one and form 2009 Hamburg will not be a master series event and some other city will get a Masters shield.

ShooterMcMarco
04-13-2008, 11:17 AM
Yeah, I don't even like college basketball.

bcast66
04-13-2008, 03:40 PM
You can't argue with a hater, they're not open to rational arguments...

DING ding lol veroniquem that is the smartest thing anyone on this board has ever posted.

predrag
04-14-2008, 08:31 AM
I am amased someone gave this thread a one star ? So he is not correct to criticise the ATP for this ? What real tennis fan would give one star to the thread talking about how tennis is not apreciated enough in states ?

The man is correct, he has to play 4 tourneys in 4 weeks to defend his points and thus he will have a possible 20 matches in 28 days, having in mind we are talking about Nadal it is very probable that he will play no less than 18 or 19.

Tennis is so unappreciated in the States that it is ridiculous.
Only kids that are not playing football (American kind), baseball, basketball and hockey do play serious tennis.
Hell, even my own son switched to basketball.

Also, that huuuge number of kids that were involved in those sports becomes an army of couch quarterbacks that
are actual viewing base for ESPN.
For those guys Poker tournament is more interesting than tennis

All that combined with the serious lack of decent American players leads to tennis being on the deathbed in the USA.
Donald young could possibly change this, a little, being (politically correct) African American.
(How can he be African American when his parents and probably grand parents saw Africa only in books and pictures)


Regards, Predrag

Shabazza
04-14-2008, 09:07 AM
your an id**t and should be banned, it doesnt matter how much people care about college basketball its not related to tennis, they are completely different sports and tennis should not base any of their decisions on college basketball, your obviously not nearly intelligent enough to understand that. Second you obviously do not like Nadal because what the heck does this have to do with his fitness and him being fruity??? Yeah nothing again your an id**t.
Agreed.

Also Im sure your a Fed fan whose feathers are roused up to call Nadal a cry baby...

It's ridiculous that everybody who hates Nadal is automatically labled a Federer-fan, even if the person openly admitted he also hates Fed and posted some hateful messages about him in the past. Every time I see someone putting down Nadal he's called a stupid Federer fan. You guys are just lame. Are you guys blind and don't get the fact that the tennis world is not just black and white. :rolleyes:

Not every Nadal-hater is Federer-fan and vice versa! I'm sick and tired to the core of this ********!

I guess throwing rackets, yelling profanity, and making excuses for every lose, and having a gut would make him what you consider not to be a cry baby and the most fit player. BEAT IT ID**T.

Great way to show your hate for Federer and going down to the same level as bcast66 - guess it takes a hater to know one...

Shabazza
04-14-2008, 09:08 AM
Nadal is totally right. It's ridiculous scheduling and an even worse reason to do so. Pathetic decision by Mr. Disney once again.

RedWeb
04-14-2008, 09:16 AM
...Donald young could possibly change this, a little, being (politically correct) African American. (How can he be African American when his parents and probably grand parents saw Africa only in books and pictures)...

Donald Young can barely change his clothes without his parents looking over this shoulder, he certainly is in no position to change the face of american tennis.

African American is a demographic and not an experience. I doubt the majority of Italian, German, Irish, etc Americans have been back to their "homelands". You should seriously rethink that statement.

flyer
04-14-2008, 09:54 AM
Agreed.



It's ridiculous that everybody who hates Nadal is automatically labled a Federer-fan, even if the person openly admitted he also hates Fed and posted some hateful messages about him in the past. Every time I see someone putting down Nadal he's called a stupid Federer fan. You guys are just lame. Are you guys blind and don't get the fact that the tennis world is not just black and white. :rolleyes:

Not every Nadal-hater is Federer-fan and vice versa! I'm sick and tired to the core of this ********!



Great way to show your hate for Federer and going down to the same level as bcast66 - guess it takes a hater to know one...

Actually I like Federer, I was responding to the absurd comments made by whoever that poster was, I was pointing out the facts that made his arguments wrong and were obviously bias, Im no hater.

predrag
04-14-2008, 10:05 AM
Donald Young can barely change his clothes without his parents looking over this shoulder, he certainly is in no position to change the face of american tennis.

African American is a demographic and not an experience. I doubt the majority of Italian, German, Irish, etc Americans have been back to their "homelands". You should seriously rethink that statement.

Ohhh man!

Yes, I do know what does African American stands for. My comment was tongue in cheek.
However, African American is the only one used.

Italian-American, German- , etc. are not used nearly as often. And that is exactly my point.

However, if you call Italian-American a person whose heritage is Italian, what should we call a person WHO IMMIGRATED INTO THE USA FROM lets say Zimbabwe and accepted the American citizenship?
Or his/her kids?


Regards, Predrag

vandre
04-14-2008, 10:11 AM
i don't understand what the atp was thinking. one of the great things about tennis is the different surfaces. if the points last to long, watch hardcourt. if the points are over too quick, watch clay. instead of highlighting that and offering "something for everyone" they're gonna shoehorn as much of the claycourt season as possible into a month??? shenanigans!

i don't understand why in the age of dish tv and expanded cable packages could the atp not find anyone other than espn to carry iw and miami. who dropped the ball on this one? did the tennis channel not run enough infomercials to be able to bid high enough? was vs. running bullfighting that day? why do we have espn dictating the schedule of atp tournaments??? does the atp need espn so much that it does mind throwing the clay court season under the bus to "appease the beast"?

i don't understand why the atp would agree to such a thing! you've got a guy like nadal who is a beast on clay, don't you want him at every clay court tournament to put some ppl in the stands??? what happened to fairplay? basically, it would be impossible for nadal to gain any ground in the rankings (he would be lucky to defend his points). what we have here is an administrative decision affecting the rankings. maybe i'm overreacting, but i think thats the worst thing to have happen when you've got two players like fed and nadal battling each other and doing their best to make tennis interesting.

maybe the atp should investigate itself for trying to fix the rankings!

Nadal_Freak
04-14-2008, 10:31 AM
Agreed.



It's ridiculous that everybody who hates Nadal is automatically labled a Federer-fan, even if the person openly admitted he also hates Fed and posted some hateful messages about him in the past. Every time I see someone putting down Nadal he's called a stupid Federer fan. You guys are just lame. Are you guys blind and don't get the fact that the tennis world is not just black and white. :rolleyes:

Not every Nadal-hater is Federer-fan and vice versa! I'm sick and tired to the core of this ********!



Great way to show your hate for Federer and going down to the same level as bcast66 - guess it takes a hater to know one...
Though not all Nadal haters are Federer fans. A good majority of them are. I'm guessing about 80% of the Nadal haters are Fed fans. They are always so bitter about Nadal during the clay season beating up on poor Federer. So they go after with every little thing Nadal does like butt picking, taking extra time, making fun of his pants, wishing injury upon him, calling him topspin monkey, and etc. While everyone else just lets Fed win matches, Nadal gives it all he's got and that frustrates the Fed fans.

TennezSport
04-14-2008, 11:19 AM
i don't understand what the atp was thinking. one of the great things about tennis is the different surfaces. if the points last to long, watch hardcourt. if the points are over too quick, watch clay. instead of highlighting that and offering "something for everyone" they're gonna shoehorn as much of the claycourt season as possible into a month???

The thing that drives ESPN is money of course and time = money so the shorter the match the better for TV as they can schedule other money making sports like POKER :???: Do you really think that the mens matches were dropped to best of 3 sets at non GS events to help the players??? ESPN has been dropping Tennis like a hot potato and will continue to do so this year again, the ATP is trying to stop that so they give in to ESPN.

i don't understand why in the age of dish tv and expanded cable packages could the atp not find anyone other than espn to carry iw and miami. who dropped the ball on this one? did the tennis channel not run enough infomercials to be able to bid high enough? was vs. running bullfighting that day? why do we have espn dictating the schedule of atp tournaments??? does the atp need espn so much that it does mind throwing the clay court season under the bus to "appease the beast"?

The one who pays stays. TTC does not have enough area coverage and could not bid against the big boys. Money money money! With tennis viewing on the slight increase, they want to make the most money from all sports, so if one smaller sport gets in the way of the bigger sport (in the US), the smaller sport gets moved (if you want the big boy coverage).

i don't understand why the atp would agree to such a thing! you've got a guy like nadal who is a beast on clay, don't you want him at every clay court tournament to put some ppl in the stands??? what happened to fairplay? basically, it would be impossible for nadal to gain any ground in the rankings (he would be lucky to defend his points). what we have here is an administrative decision affecting the rankings. maybe i'm overreacting, but i think thats the worst thing to have happen when you've got two players like fed and nadal battling each other and doing their best to make tennis interesting. maybe the atp should investigate itself for trying to fix the rankings!

ESPN and the powers that be do not care anything about putting fans in seats or fairplay, they worship money and want fans in from of TV screens. In the US tennis comes in as the number 12 sport and clay is not very popular here either, so it doesn't pull big numbers on TV (even though it is growing). The ATP wants to keep as much coverage as possible so the become the lapdogs of ESPN and the other big boys in order to stay in the park.

TennezSport :cool:

TennezSport
04-14-2008, 11:37 AM
Though not all Nadal haters are Federer fans. A good majority of them are. I'm guessing about 80% of the Nadal haters are Fed fans. They are always so bitter about Nadal during the clay season beating up on poor Federer. So they go after with every little thing Nadal does like butt picking, taking extra time, making fun of his pants, wishing injury upon him, calling him topspin monkey, and etc. While everyone else just lets Fed win matches, Nadal gives it all he's got and that frustrates the Fed fans.

I would love to see your stats on your claim of 80% of Rafa haters are Fed fans. Must be interesting numbers. Uh... er....oh.....well you mean you were just assuming........... well you know what happens when you assume???

I think that Shabazza is correct and I have read "haters" of all players on this board as well as supporters, but to assume that 80% of Rafa's haters are Fed fans is a bit far fetched.

Also, the things that you point out are things that Rafa does, so how is that hating??? He does pick his butt; he does take too much time between points. I agree with you that making fun of his pants and calling him TSM is wrong, but I have never read anyone wishing injury on him and if some one did, that's doubly wrong.

We all know you love Rafa and he is a great champion. No matter what anyone says or does they can never take that from him. So why all of the hating and cross hating when we could all just sit back and enjoy some great tennis. Assuming that is OK :)


TennezSport :cool:

Moose Malloy
04-14-2008, 11:58 AM
"The fact that a tennis world tour depends much on the American 'Basketball College' is absolute nonsense. We have to play four straight weeks, we have just three AMS on clay and, to top it all, we must play all of them in just four weeks, in addition to a major tournament like Barcelona. Itís crazy for all the European players and players specialized in clay"

Can anyone explain why the claycourt season in 2004 was exactly the same as 2008? Did the NCAA's affect the schedule then as well?

I don't remember if any players complained that year:

4/19/2004 Monte Carlo
4/26/2004 Barcelona
5/3/2004 Rome
5/10/2004 Hamburg

malakas
04-14-2008, 12:31 PM
well,it seems that most players share Rafa's opinion and there's a petition going on to "evaluate other options" before going on with extending Mr. Disney's contract.Hopefully,this will have some affect and they will dumb him and be done with his ridiculous plans and changes as well.
http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_tennisblog/2008/03/pressure-increa.html

superstition
04-14-2008, 12:45 PM
well,it seems that most players share Rafa's opinion and there's a petition going on to "evaluate other options" before going on with extending Mr. Disney's contract.Hopefully,this will have some affect and they will dumb him and be done with his ridiculous plans and changes as well.
http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_tennisblog/2008/03/pressure-increa.html
I love how that piece says "no one in his right mind would want him out now". Oh really? It looks like a lot of people want him out. I guess calling them crazy is a great argument...

Rob_C
04-14-2008, 01:15 PM
Can anyone explain why the claycourt season in 2004 was exactly the same as 2008? Did the NCAA's affect the schedule then as well?

I don't remember if any players complained that year:

4/19/2004 Monte Carlo
4/26/2004 Barcelona
5/3/2004 Rome
5/10/2004 Hamburg

I mentioned that also but it was ignored by practically everyone. March Madness is big in the US, but the Super Bowl is way bigger, and is watched around the world. The Super Bowl doesn't affect the ATP schedule, why should basketball.

March madness affected the coverage with ESPN, but not the actual scheduling of the tournament, at least I dont believe so.

During the Winter Olympics, the NHL suspended the season so players could compete, and I'm sure that's the reason for the schedule change this year, the Olympics

Moose Malloy
04-14-2008, 01:55 PM
The Super Bowl doesn't affect the ATP schedule, why should basketball.


Well, the thing is, both Miami & the NCAA's are covered by CBS, so I would understand why they would not want have them on at the same time(and if Miami was a week earlier this year, as it was last year, CBS would not have been able to cover the women's final, due to Sweet 16, elite 8 games) Considering the Williams sisters record in Miami, I could see why CBS would want to hang on to it, just as a 'filler' in between college basketball.

It's not about basketball exactly, but more about the network that covers it.

I would buy that CBS wields quite a bit of power(meaning $$), but the whole 'the schedule was the same in '04' thing is confusing as to what the whole story behind this really is.

March madness affected the coverage with ESPN, but not the actual scheduling of the tournament, at least I dont believe so.


Start dates for IW & Miami were a week earlier last year. But in '04, they weren't any later, like they were in '08. But yet the clay masters in '04 were still changed that year. This is getting confusing, maybe Davis Cup has something to do with it? Will check those dates.

And the Olympics in 2004 didn't affect the dates on Roland Garros or Wimbledon, so I wonder why it may have affected the clay masters series which are even earlier?

Does CBS cover the Olympics as well?

Does anyone know the story behind 2004 clay masters? not surprisingly, many of the top players either didn't play all 4 weeks, & the ones that did well at 2 or 3 of them lost early at 1 or 2 of the other ones.

futuretoptenner
04-14-2008, 02:06 PM
I agree with Nadal here. This is just not fair on him. What is wrong with the ATP higher levels of management.

Rob_C
04-14-2008, 03:12 PM
Well, the thing is, both Miami & the NCAA's are covered by CBS, so I would understand why they would not want have them on at the same time(and if Miami was a week earlier this year, as it was last year, CBS would not have been able to cover the women's final, due to Sweet 16, elite 8 games) Considering the Williams sisters record in Miami, I could see why CBS would want to hang on to it, just as a 'filler' in between college basketball.

It's not about basketball exactly, but more about the network that covers it.


Was the women's final in prime time this year??? The men's final was shown at 10am PST this year, right??

Edit. Just checked the website, the women's final was shown at 9am PST, the mens at 10am. I dont know off the top of my head if any basketball games were scheduled for that early on those days. But, even if they were, I'm pretty sure CBS would have them schedule the more attractive games for later in the day.

superstition
04-14-2008, 08:13 PM
I agree with Nadal here. This is just not fair on him. What is wrong with the ATP higher levels of management.
It's easy for them because they don't have to play all those tournaments, they're not dealing with the possibility of upsetting Federer's #1 ranking, et cetera.

GOD_BLESS_RAFA
04-15-2008, 01:50 AM
Well then people should choose between tennis and basketball. Definitly the wrong way to go about this is to destroy ATP shedule because of it.
Agreed!
Plus tennis is then more important to people than basket ball
Why the basketball event responsibles have to ask those responsible for the ATP events to have their schedule upside down ? To draw people ....:confused:

laurie
04-15-2008, 02:18 AM
The way how the ATP runs the calendar is nothing short of a joke. To me, Ettienne Devilliers has been the worst administrator I've come across, all of his changes and proposed changes are rubbish. I would love to see them get rid of him.

I agree entirely with Nadal.

bcast66
04-15-2008, 03:49 AM
The way how the ATP runs the calendar is nothing short of a joke. To me, Ettienne Devilliers has been the worst administrator I've come across, all of his changes and proposed changes are rubbish. I would love to see them get rid of him.

I agree entirely with Nadal.

sorry i really hate to disagree with a girl but...

nadal is like a little kid, he is getting payed to play tennis, it is his job. where i am from you cant pick when you want to work, people pick for you.

laurie
04-15-2008, 04:02 AM
I am not a girl so you shouldn't make assumptions.

Besides that, of course you are entitled to disagree with my view. To that I would say this is not a typical 9 to 5 job they are doing, recovery time is vital to give their best. So the schedule is ultra important for participants of all sports not just Tennis.

daddy
04-15-2008, 06:47 AM
sorry i really hate to disagree with a girl but...

nadal is like a little kid, he is getting payed to play tennis, it is his job. where i am from you cant pick when you want to work, people pick for you.

I think I figured who is the only little kid around here.

Nadal_Freak
04-15-2008, 07:36 AM
I think I figured who is the only little kid around here.
Owned. Haha :lol:

tintin
04-15-2008, 08:05 AM
wf/uck the ATP and devilliers
give me my clay court season;best with the grass season;I cannot stand hard court season;way too much of this crap to begin with

tintin
04-15-2008, 08:06 AM
f/uck the ATP and devilliers
give me my clay court season;best with the grass season;I cannot stand hard court season;way too much of this crap to begin with:evil:

superstition
04-15-2008, 10:09 PM
I agree that the "grass season" is a joke right now. It really should be much longer as it used to be.

Magix
04-15-2008, 11:18 PM
I agree that the "grass season" is a joke right now. It really should be much longer as it used to be.
Seeing Sopot in the grass season is a big joke. That's pretty silly.

Come to think of it, the hard court season has been shifted around for the worst. It's pretty crammed, too.

superman1
04-15-2008, 11:22 PM
Extending the grass season might be the one thing that both Federer and Nadal fans can agree on. Unless it infringes on the clay season.

nn
04-15-2008, 11:49 PM
mess will be very nice word but f** ATP is not enough as well..

on this board who says Nadal is wrong has never played 5 days straight tennis on hard court at club level for at least 2 hours a day. If you have done it will realize how much it takes to play 4 weeks at ATP master level (just imagine only)

rafan
04-16-2008, 12:08 AM
Extending the grass season might be the one thing that both Federer and Nadal fans can agree on. Unless it infringes on the clay season.

Yes I agree with this. Arguably the HC season is where the most injuries occur - and having to take this into consideration as well as juggle matches is just not on

TennezSport
04-16-2008, 08:02 AM
Yes I agree with this. Arguably the HC season is where the most injuries occur - and having to take this into consideration as well as juggle matches is just not on

Remember that last year Rafa's injuries started at Wimbly (final vs Fed). He was already worn out from winning almost everything on clay, so the stress at Wimbly was the straw that sealed the injuries. With Rafa's game based on defensive play; tracking lots of balls down and having to defend all of those points in a condensed time frame, it has put additional pressure on him.

So I can see why Rafa is complaining and rightfully so, but all of the players have to face the same issue. However, other players (having complained also) have a little more breathing room with far fewer points to defend. I understand that Nole stated that this may be his chance to claim the #2 spot (don't know how true that is though), since he can gain a lot of points if he does well and Rafa faulters.

TennezSport :cool:

TennisandMusic
04-16-2008, 09:57 AM
Is this change meant to be permanent or just for this year because of the Olympics?

IvanAndreevich
04-16-2008, 10:04 AM
Bleh who cares about basketball. You want to watch basketball, go watch basketball.

CyBorg
04-16-2008, 01:24 PM
sorry i really hate to disagree with a girl but...

Laurie's a guy.

superstition
04-16-2008, 06:57 PM
Bleh who cares about basketball. You want to watch basketball, go watch basketball.
Exactly. Obviously there is a conflict of interest with some of the ATP management.

Nadal_Freak
04-16-2008, 07:01 PM
I love baskeball but that is what DVR is for. You can watch multiple things these days. Why ruin the schedule over this? Federer and Djokovic I bet are loving this.

Oricus
04-16-2008, 09:13 PM
I agree with Nadal here. This is just not fair on him. What is wrong with the ATP higher levels of management.

It affects all players, not just Nadal. I guarantee that the ATP did not do this to single out Nadal. The ATP wants to generate the most amount of money they can and these are the things that happen. Is it fair, probably not, but it doesn't just affect Nadal. Maybe, because Nadal is your favourite player, and he is defending all those points that the ATP would throw a bone for him. Well, I guess that's how it goes, but it doesn't just affect him, everyone else is playing under the same situation.

Morrissey
04-16-2008, 09:45 PM
It affects all players, not just Nadal. I guarantee that the ATP did not do this to single out Nadal. The ATP wants to generate the most amount of money they can and these are the things that happen. Is it fair, probably not, but it doesn't just affect Nadal. Maybe, because Nadal is your favourite player, and he is defending all those points that the ATP would throw a bone for him. Well, I guess that's how it goes, but it doesn't just affect him, everyone else is playing under the same situation.

Iīm sure theyīre not singling out Nadal, but last I checked no one else has to defend titles in Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Roma, (final of) Hamburg, French Open. Or have we missed out someone?

TennezSport
04-17-2008, 09:18 AM
Why ruin the schedule over this? Federer and Djokovic I bet are loving this.

The ATP is stating that it's because of the Olympics, not basketball that the schedule was altered. Fed stated that the players already knew about the change at the end of last year. Don't think Fed is happy because he has a lot of points to defend also. However Nole is another story indeed.

TennezSport :cool:

superstition
04-19-2008, 05:50 PM
Don't think Fed is happy because he has a lot of points to defend also.
It favors him much more than Nadal, though, considering his record at #1 is on the line.

superstition
04-28-2008, 01:56 PM
Can Nadal overtake Federer if he wins all of the upcoming clay tournaments?

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
04-28-2008, 02:09 PM
Can Nadal overtake Federer if he wins all of the upcoming clay tournaments?

No he can't, because Rafa is defending nothing but winner points, except for the finals points in Hamburg. A lot of that will also depends on Roger because he has the Hamburg title to defend. But it's mathematically impossible.

TennisandMusic
04-28-2008, 02:18 PM
No he can't, because Rafa is defending nothing but winner points, except for the finals points in Hamburg. A lot of that will also depends on Roger because he has the Hamburg title to defend. But it's mathematically impossible.

Hmm...seems to me like it could happen if Federer lost early at Hamburg and the French and Nadal won those. Unlikely but possible.

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
04-28-2008, 02:23 PM
Hmm...seems to me like it could happen if Federer lost early at Hamburg and the French and Nadal won those. Unlikely but possible.

Well :oops:,

I didn't think of it like that, but to correct my previous statement. Rafa will have to sustain his clay court dominance and Roger will have to falter along the way. :?

akv89
04-28-2008, 02:35 PM
I think Roger is currently 1120 points ahead of Nadal. He has a R16 in Rome(75 pts) , win in Hamburg (500 pts), and finals in Roland Garros (700 pts) to defend, which is 1275 points. So Federer has to get at least about 160 pts in 3 tournaments to stay no. 1. Federer will get 75 pts total just for showing up at these 3 tournaments. So its is highly unlikely that he will lose no.1 during the clay season.

gj011
04-28-2008, 02:40 PM
I think Roger is currently 1120 points ahead of Nadal. He has a R16 in Rome(75 pts) , win in Hamburg (500 pts), and finals in Roland Garros (700 pts) to defend, which is 1275 points. So Federer has to get at least about 160 pts in 3 tournaments to stay no. 1. Federer will get 75 pts total just for showing up at these 3 tournaments. So its is highly unlikely that he will lose no.1 during the clay season.

You forgot that 300 points for Barcelona have been already taken from Nadal's ranking. So Federer needs 160 + 300 points to stay #1, of course if Nadal plays and wins everything up to and including RG.

I hate these schedule changes, they mess up everything including rankings.