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The FishEXpress
04-14-2008, 05:44 AM
In terms of court coverage and speed who is/was the fastest ATP player ever?

morten
04-14-2008, 05:59 AM
many ways to be fast, sideways, foreward, short runs, longer runs(stop ball) serve and volley fast... Chang was fast, Borg was very fast, Federer is all round fast. Edberg was fast to the net, Nadal is fast.... IMO Robredo is fast too....

blackfrido
04-14-2008, 06:04 AM
Martin Jaite

GasquetGOAT
04-14-2008, 06:16 AM
Nadal on clay.

Federer on grass.

Roberto
04-14-2008, 06:19 AM
David Ferrer

GasquetGOAT
04-14-2008, 06:19 AM
many ways to be fast, sideways, foreward, short runs, longer runs(stop ball) serve and volley fast... Chang was fast, Borg was very fast, Federer is all round fast. Edberg was fast to the net, Nadal is fast.... IMO Robredo is fast too....

Chang's survived and thrived on his "fastest-ness".

Davydenko is fast on all surfaces.

hoodjem
04-14-2008, 06:20 AM
Bjorn R. Borg.

Andres
04-14-2008, 06:21 AM
Borg, and no contest about it. But I'd say Gerulaitis was a fairly close 2nd.

beedlejuice22
04-14-2008, 06:45 AM
blake is very fast

Ocean Drive
04-14-2008, 07:14 AM
Sprinting, Blake. Agilitity wise, changing direction side to side, I would take Nadal.

Grimjack
04-14-2008, 07:16 AM
Clearly Borg. Guy was practically world-class, speed wise.

Chang was a short Chinese guy with stubby legs. The number of those with world class speed, ever, is exactly zero. He was quick, and relentless, and dip####s like Bud Collins mistook that for raw speed. Tragically, all the people who were alive and listening to tennis at that time have been parroting the same thing ever since, because most of them are even more clueless than Bud.

Borg could run stride for stride with olympians. 'Nuff said.

rooski
04-14-2008, 07:20 AM
Super fast players from the last 4 decades:

Laver was incredibly fast on the court back in his day. They called him the rocket for a reason :) Watch some of his youtube videos to get a sense of his speed (feet and hands).

Mel Purcell was also ridiculously fast. Short ATP career but in the 80's he was described by several TV tennis commentators as the fastest player ever up to that time...including Borg (who would be my next choice from the 80's). I actually played a bit with Mel in college so I saw him at his peak. He was indeed scary fast. He could put his racket on the net and would have you lob over him with moderate topspin (this was indoors so the lobs weren't real high) and he would not move until the ball landed. He would then run back like a blur and hit a regular forehand before the ball hit the back stop. He used to do this over and over again. Amazing. Go out and try this at home and see how close you come to even touching the ball.

In the 90's, Chang was probably the fastest all around player.

Currently I would say Davydenko is near, if not at the top of the list.

tennisdad65
04-14-2008, 08:34 AM
Chang was a short Chinese guy with stubby legs. The number of those with world class speed, ever, is exactly zero.

lol.. sounds mighty racist. In the same vein, the number of tall white dudes with world class speed, ever, who were not olympic sprinters, is exactly zero :)

Djokovicfan4life
04-14-2008, 08:39 AM
lol.. sounds mighty racist. In the same vein, the number of tall white dudes with world class speed, ever, who were not olympic sprinters, is exactly zero :)

But there HAVE been olympic sprinters, which makes your argument irrelevant. :confused:

tennisdad65
04-14-2008, 08:55 AM
yes.. but read the context.. Grimjack claims that Borg was practically world class, speed wise and hence he had to be faster than Chang.

Borg was certainly not a world class sprinter and neither was Chang or any other ATP Tennis player through history.

Shaolin
04-14-2008, 09:02 AM
Coria should be mentioned.

Ive seen him get to shots that cannot be gotten to by a human.

paulmaben
04-14-2008, 09:30 AM
Don't forget about Johan Kriek....

morten
04-14-2008, 09:31 AM
Coria should be mentioned.

Ive seen him get to shots that cannot be gotten to by a human.

i agree.....

GasquetGOAT
04-14-2008, 09:38 AM
yes.. but read the context.. Grimjack claims that Borg was practically world class, speed wise and hence he had to be faster than Chang.

Borg was certainly not a world class sprinter and neither was Chang or any other ATP Tennis player through history.

Exactly what I thought, his conception was dumb. A world class sprinter does not make a fast tennis player and verse visa.

Klatu Verata Necktie
04-14-2008, 09:43 AM
Being quick on a tennis court doesn't necessarily require sprint type speed. While straight ahead speed certainly plays a part in court coverage, I would argue that the ability to move latterally and change directions quickly is more important. This was the area in which Chang excelled. Chang didn't win any Olympic sprints, but he didn't have to in order to close the court the way few other players before or since have done.

Djokovicfan4life
04-14-2008, 10:07 AM
yes.. but read the context.. Grimjack claims that Borg was practically world class, speed wise and hence he had to be faster than Chang.

Borg was certainly not a world class sprinter and neither was Chang or any other ATP Tennis player through history.

You're right, there's a huge difference in speed on the tennis court i.e. changing directions, sudden bursts, stopping on a dime, etc. when you compare it to just pure speed like the 100 meter dash. Santoro certainly won't be taking home the olympic gold this year but he can make some godlike returns, even against a Federer overhead! :shock:

ndtennis
04-14-2008, 10:16 AM
yea just like everyone has said already, without a doubt Michael Chang.

orangettecoleman
04-14-2008, 10:21 AM
I'm not saying he's faster than Chang or Borg, but Rosewall was very underrated in terms of foot speed and footwork.

Djokovicfan4life
04-14-2008, 10:21 AM
I think the thread title is the real problem actually, there's obviously going to be a disagreement over how speed is defined on the tennis court.

NamRanger
04-14-2008, 10:26 AM
yes.. but read the context.. Grimjack claims that Borg was practically world class, speed wise and hence he had to be faster than Chang.

Borg was certainly not a world class sprinter and neither was Chang or any other ATP Tennis player through history.



You are wrong, Borg has one of the highest recorded leg strength readings among Swedish athletes. His lungs and heart were considered anomalies easily. With a resting heart rate of 38 , a cardiovascular capacity only found in the likes of Olympic level swimmers, cyclists, and runners. Not only that, he DID have world class speed, I do recall him out hurdling an Olympic Gold Hurdler, and he beat him easily also. Borg's strength was ridiculous, he strung his racquets at 80 lbs, when most didn't string above 50. This was with Wood racquets too.


Borg was the perfect example of what would happen if a true world class athlete stepped foot into tennis. Complete and total domination.

Moz
04-14-2008, 10:31 AM
Not only that, he DID have world class speed, I do recall him out hurdling an Olympic Gold Hurdler, and he beat him easily also.

This is completely disingenuous and I suspect you know it.

CAM178
04-14-2008, 10:32 AM
Ever? Hmmm. . . tough call. The ones that pop to mind are Hewitt in his prime, Nadal, Borg, Chang, and a few others that I can't think of.

Nadal_Freak
04-14-2008, 10:35 AM
Nadal, Coria, Ferrer, Chang, and Borg.

McGee
04-14-2008, 10:39 AM
Clearly Borg. Guy was practically world-class, speed wise.

Chang was a short Chinese guy with stubby legs. The number of those with world class speed, ever, is exactly zero. He was quick, and relentless, and dip####s like Bud Collins mistook that for raw speed. Tragically, all the people who were alive and listening to tennis at that time have been parroting the same thing ever since, because most of them are even more clueless than Bud.

Borg could run stride for stride with olympians. 'Nuff said.

The point of this thread was about "court coverage" and speed. This could easily include players with quick acceluration, anticipation, and great speed. While I agree that Borg is probably the choice here, your reasoning is suspect. Chang is definitely in the mix. Also, Michael Chang was born in the US and is of Chinese descent. Your "short Chinese guy" quip is pretty juvenile. Quips like that would be comparable to, say, someone saying "Grimjack is an internet wannabee racist" without realizing that life isn't that simple.

NamRanger
04-14-2008, 10:40 AM
This is completely disingenuous and I suspect you know it.


That's what I remember reading. Doesn't matter anyways, sprinting is based off muscular, anaerobic, adrenaline, and aerobics. Borg has world class levels on his aerobics, muscular abilities (one of the highest leg strengths recorded), among a whole slew of other things. You're telling me he doesn't have world class speed Cam?


And if you don't want to see what I post, then use the ignore button. It's there for a reason.



Anyone who even thinks Chang could come close to Borg in terms of court coverage is kidding themselves here. Chang was a good mover at best. Borg played on probably some of the hardest surfaces to move on, which were really old school clay and grass. He got to balls that the majority of the players today would not be able to get to.

Nadal_Monfils
04-14-2008, 11:01 AM
I agree that Bjorn Borg is the fastest player and had the best court coverage.

GasquetGOAT
04-14-2008, 11:08 AM
I agree that Bjorn Borg is the fastest player and had the best court coverage.

How do everyone think of Nadal' court coverage compared to Borg's? Interesting to see who'd get outruned in a clay court match, both in their primes of course.

Big-Serve
04-14-2008, 11:16 AM
all spanians are very fast!

Djokovicfan4life
04-14-2008, 11:20 AM
all spanians are very fast!

I agree, sliding around like crazy for 20 years has to do wonders for your speed! :shock:

Now I've just got to find a clay court in Stillwater, which just isn't going to happen.

NamRanger
04-14-2008, 11:24 AM
Nadal is what Borg would be if he had modern technology, except multiply that by about 3. Nadal has shown that he can tire, and that he can be outmuscled.

NicolasH
04-14-2008, 11:42 AM
Straight line speed: Johan Kriek. Pat Cash.

Pat Cash was timed with an electronic eye and measuring reaction time for a ten meter dash. He was faster than Ben Johnson.

Left to right: Borg, Chang

Overall court coverage: Federer, Mecir
(I count anticipation in this category)

Cheers,
n.

Kobble
04-14-2008, 12:09 PM
Footwork plays an important role in court speed. I think Nadal has the best footwork I have ever seen. It is a close call between Borg, Nadal, Hewitt and Chang. The 100 yard dash means little when discussing start and stop speed. Nobody would say Barry Sanders was the flat out fastest RB, but his agility and cuts were something I have never seen equaled. That is what a tennis player needs.

edmondsm
04-14-2008, 12:25 PM
Footwork and anticipation. A tennis player that is exceptional at anticipating can often appear super fast when actually they are just getting a head start on all of us. This is the case with a guy like Santoro. Would he be able to beat Nadal or Blake in 100 meter sprints or shuttle runs? Probably not. Can he run down the same ridiculous shots? Certainly.

I would also like to see some of these "facts" about Borg get backed up. I don't mind doing a little of my own research and I found that nowhere on wikipedia did it mention Borg having the greatest leg strength ever recorded among Swedish athletes. I also didn't find anything about him having a resting heartrate of 38, or anything about him out hurdling an Olympic gold medalist. Please let me know if any of these "facts" can be proven.

auzzieizm
04-14-2008, 12:30 PM
Federer always seems to be in the right place. He just glides around the court, and is never out of position. You may not always see him all out sprint, but he is always there. I thought it was striking when I heard that the Williams sisters are studying to emulate the way Federer moves. They are pretty good movers themselves.

jstr
04-14-2008, 12:31 PM
Michael Johnson

Moz
04-14-2008, 12:33 PM
I would also like to see some of these "facts" about Borg get backed up. I don't mind doing a little of my own research and I found that nowhere on wikipedia did it mention Borg having the greatest leg strength ever recorded among Swedish athletes. I also didn't find anything about him having a resting heartrate of 38, or anything about him out hurdling an Olympic gold medalist. Please let me know if any of these "facts" can be proven.

Many athletes have resting heart rates of 38 and it is not proof of aerobic excellence. I've had a rhr of 42 in the past and it is indicative of fitness rather than a direct indicator of performance.

Borg's mysterious victory over an olympic gold medallist hurdler is, I believe, as follows:

1) The hurdler was an olympic hurdler but not a gold medallist.
2) The hurdler was a sprint hurdler (110m) and Borg raced him over 400m. 2 Distances requiring very different abilities.
3) They did not race over hurdles, it was flat.
4) They raced on a tv show called superstars.
5) It is not clear at what stage of his career the hurdler was.

There seems to be a lot of urban myth about the whole thing - the above is what I have been able to gather.

NamRanger
04-14-2008, 12:40 PM
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,924275,00.html


Winner.


Borg was easily a freak of nature. A resting heart rate of 38 is nearly unheard of, that's lower then Lance Armstrong.

edmondsm
04-14-2008, 12:59 PM
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,924275,00.html


Winner.


Borg was easily a freak of nature. A resting heart rate of 38 is nearly unheard of, that's lower then Lance Armstrong.

Thanks for the link. Man that was an agonizingly long and boring article though.

CAM178
04-14-2008, 01:01 PM
Many athletes have resting heart rates of 38 and it is not proof of aerobic excellence. I've had a rhr of 42 in the past and it is indicative of fitness rather than a direct indicator of performance.
Yep. Last summer I had an RHR of 34, as measured by both a nurse and a paramedic. I couldn't believe it myself.

Serpententacle
04-14-2008, 01:05 PM
Ditto "Roberto" with David Ferrer...

Moz
04-14-2008, 01:15 PM
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,924275,00.html

A resting heart rate of 38 is nearly unheard of, that's lower then Lance Armstrong.

Well, Lance's has been measured at 32.

http://completerunning.com/archives/2006/11/01/resting-heart-rate/

Miguel Indurain was recorded at 28. See under braychardia in the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_rate

Sorry, but 38 is not a rare figure. Many non-professional marathoners have rhr's in the 30's. But let's not let the facts get in the way of the myth.

NamRanger
04-14-2008, 01:19 PM
Well, Lance's has been measured at 32.

http://completerunning.com/archives/2006/11/01/resting-heart-rate/

Miguel Indurain was recorded at 28. See under braychardia in the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_rate

Sorry, but 38 is not a rare figure. Many non-professional marathoners have rhr's in the 30's. But let's not let the facts get in the way of the myth.


Pretty sure Lance Armstrong was measured in the 40s.


38 is not a rare figure? Really? Yes, many "non-professional marathoners" have rhrs in the 30s, the majority of them are incredible athletes. Bjorn Borg is one of them, a few others would include cyclists, swimmers, etc.

Moz
04-14-2008, 01:39 PM
Pretty sure Lance Armstrong was measured in the 40s.

38 is not a rare figure? Really? Yes, many "non-professional marathoners" have rhrs in the 30s, the majority of them are incredible athletes. Bjorn Borg is one of them, a few others would include cyclists, swimmers, etc.

Was Borg a genetic freak at tennis - of course he was. Was he one of the fastest on the court - definitely. But lets support it with relevant material and not this hearsay.

Do a search on Armstrong if you wish, his rate of 32 - 34 is all over the internet.

Let's be clear. We are talking about speed on the court and Borg being described as a genetic freak as support. Well, rhr has nothing to do with speed - it is more a measure of endurance. It is a meaningless measure with regards to the topic. Even if we were to talk about it the facts are his RHR was over 30% higher than Indurain and the same as many non-professional athletes.

The other justification for his speed was his leg strength. This may well have been freakish, I'm not qualified to comment.

The other point was his performance against a hurdler which has already been addressed.

Anyway, I'm sidetracking the topic, for which I apologise.

The FishEXpress
04-14-2008, 02:32 PM
thanks for yr replies. borg and chang look like the winners.

The FishEXpress
04-14-2008, 03:00 PM
Coria should be mentioned.

Ive seen him get to shots that cannot be gotten to by a human.

Is that with or without nandrolone? I know he is innocent and unknowingly took drugs, but nandrolone has an advantageous long term effect on performance too.

Rickson
04-14-2008, 03:11 PM
Nadal is the fastest followed by Federer.

CEvertFan
04-14-2008, 03:14 PM
Borg, Chang and Hewitt get my vote. All had exceptional speed in their primes. Borg would be the fastest ever though.

fgzhu88
04-14-2008, 03:27 PM
Monfils.
He gets to balls not based on anticipation but pure hustle.

Many people debate over his shotmaking talent or his tennis IQ but there is no question about his athletic capabilities.

spiritdragon
04-14-2008, 03:50 PM
all spanians are very fast!

lol, spanians.

my vote for pure speed would either go to blake or monfils.

princess bossass
04-14-2008, 04:19 PM
Davy's pretty speedy.

Federer is so fluid and lovely to watch. He's entirely unattractive off-court, but on...zoinks.

diggler
04-14-2008, 06:00 PM
Hewitt used to be fast.

Low resting heart rate is sysnonymour with endurance events, not necessarily sprinters.

re Asian athletes, Liu Xiang, a Chinese sporting icon, is the reigning 110m hurdles Olympic and world champion.

OrangeOne
04-14-2008, 06:26 PM
You are wrong, Borg has one of the highest recorded leg strength readings among Swedish athletes.

Strength alone doesn't equal speed, in fact I'd suggest there is no way in hell his leg strength was that good, pure strength does not correlate well with aerobic effort, and there'd be many athletes with much higher raw strength than tennis players (weight lifters, many track & field athletes, many many more).

His lungs and heart were considered anomalies easily. With a resting heart rate of 38 , a cardiovascular capacity only found in the likes of Olympic level swimmers, cyclists, and runners.

38 is stunning, but it's not only found in Olympians. Many long-distance athletes (including some of my very-non-olympian mates) have a resting heart rate in the high 30s / low 40s.

Not only that, he DID have world class speed, I do recall him out hurdling an Olympic Gold Hurdler, and he beat him easily also.

Why does this sound like rumour or myth?

For the record, you're claiming he's ultimately strong, ultimately endurance-fit, and ultimately powerful (fast) as well. Sorry, the three things don't correlate well. Also you mentioned hurdling, which I'd suspect requires insane flexibility, which also doesn't correlate well with the other elements.

I'm not saying he wasn't a great athlete, I am saying that you've pasted too many myths together.

Borg was the perfect example of what would happen if a true world class athlete stepped foot into tennis. Complete and total domination.

Don't even get me started on this "world class athletes" playing tennis stuff. Tennis is more skill-based than almost any sport, athleticism factors largely but the skill dominates. This is very much the opposite of sports like track & field, cycling, etc.

Freedom
04-14-2008, 07:06 PM
Isn't Gael Monfils pretty quick?

superman1
04-14-2008, 07:19 PM
Borg, Chang, Nadal, Monfils.

I don't know who's fastest. I'm actually learning towards Monfils. He's certainly faster than Nadal and Chang.

AndrewD
04-15-2008, 03:04 AM
Borg could run stride for stride with olympians. 'Nuff said.

Roy Emerson was not only fast enough to run qualifying times for the 1956 Olympic 100 metres but, had he competed that year and run his pb, would have likely finished with a medal. His times in the 10.5's were good enough to earn him a top 10 spot right through until the 1990's. Of course, races were hand-timed back but, regardless of the device use, Emerson was bloody fast.

Pat Cash is another one who was exceptionally quick. His trainer, Ann Quinn, who is now Head of Sport Science for the LTA, has said that over 50 metres his times were at the absolute elite level.

Tempest344
04-15-2008, 03:37 AM
Robredo, Hewitt, Grosjean
and others mentioned

jelle v
04-15-2008, 03:38 AM
Ferrer.. no doubt..

bcast66
04-15-2008, 03:45 AM
In terms of court coverage and speed who is/was the fastest ATP player ever?

if anyone says nadal your an idiot. he isn't that fast, but he does move well but in a strait sprint he would get smoked.

crawl4
04-15-2008, 04:02 AM
federer obviously

hoodjem
04-15-2008, 04:08 AM
Good point: in tennis it's more important to be quick than fast.

lawrence
04-15-2008, 04:19 AM
You are wrong, Borg has one of the highest recorded leg strength readings among Swedish athletes. His lungs and heart were considered anomalies easily. With a resting heart rate of 38 , a cardiovascular capacity only found in the likes of Olympic level swimmers, cyclists, and runners. Not only that, he DID have world class speed, I do recall him out hurdling an Olympic Gold Hurdler, and he beat him easily also. Borg's strength was ridiculous, he strung his racquets at 80 lbs, when most didn't string above 50. This was with Wood racquets too.


Borg was the perfect example of what would happen if a true world class athlete stepped foot into tennis. Complete and total domination.

1. hurdlers are not sprinters, theyre hurdlers. if hurdlers specialized in sprinting obviously they would be in a different category, props to borg though

2. "stronger legs" does not mean faster, in that sense, ronnie coleman who can legpress 1 tonne for 5 reps would technically be the fastest guy alive

my_forehand
04-15-2008, 05:11 AM
if anyone says nadal your an idiot. he isn't that fast, but he does move well but in a strait sprint he would get smoked.

Half the people who posted here are idiots then :roll:

NamRanger
04-15-2008, 09:28 AM
1. hurdlers are not sprinters, theyre hurdlers. if hurdlers specialized in sprinting obviously they would be in a different category, props to borg though

2. "stronger legs" does not mean faster, in that sense, ronnie coleman who can legpress 1 tonne for 5 reps would technically be the fastest guy alive



Ronnie Coleman however has extra weight on him that would limit his leg strength. Not only did Borg had some of the highest recorded leg strengths ever for a Swedish athletes (Read the Times Article you lazy people), he also could sprint with an Olympic level athlete, had ridiculous conditioning (testimony by his own peers), some of the best footwork the game has ever seen (able to adapt to both Clay and Grass without fail), and to top it all off, he had the perfect prototype body for a tennis player, lean, fit, and efficient.


The evidence is there. Sprinting is based off muscle strength, aerobic, anaerobic, and adrenaline. Bjorn Borg had ridiculous strength levels, and his fitness was not a question. He has all the skills to be a great sprinter, I don't see how any of you can argue that Borg isn't the fastest tennis player at all. Not one tennis player out there comes close to what Bjorn Borg was able to do.

WillAlwaysLoveYouTennis
04-15-2008, 10:06 AM
Borg I think for fastness. Lendl was accounted a good sprinter also if I remember correctly. Mecir, Change, Santoro, Federer, great movers covering the court. Explosive bursts of speed: Nadal would have to be in there somewhere since people like to bring his name of regarding speed topics, Agassi, Cash...

Turning Pro
04-15-2008, 12:11 PM
It goes:

Hewitt/Nadal
Coria
Chang

All in their prime.

li0scc0
11-23-2010, 07:17 AM
He has all the skills to be a great sprinter, I don't see how any of you can argue that Borg isn't the fastest tennis player at all. Not one tennis player out there comes close to what Bjorn Borg was able to do.

There are many current players faster than Borg. Borg was outstanding, and was my favorite. I watched him live then, and watch his old matches now. But he is not as fast as many current and recent players.

jackson vile
11-23-2010, 09:31 AM
Ferrer.. no doubt..

I vote Ferrer, Monfils, Borg are top 3

meg0529
11-23-2010, 09:36 AM
Chang

10 char

Praetorian
11-23-2010, 09:49 AM
Another one of these posts where the OP fails to set a criteria on how to definitively determine a result. Let's get back to the original question at hand - Who is the fastest? So we can stop at the Borg was from Krypton, and his parents sent him to earth on a spaceship, and now he is the ultimate human posts.

Who is the fastest on these criteria?
40 yard dash -
baseline shuffle from on end to another (nobody really sidestep for 1 or 2 steps anyways) -
most agile (who can stop on a dime, and recover) -
reaction time -
anticipation skills -

To me, ALL of these contribute to true on court speed. Is it Borg, Chang, or maybe some guy playing in the qualifiers right now?

rommil
11-23-2010, 09:52 AM
Agassi mentioned Phau at some point.

It really depends on the situation. If it's chasing after a Krispy Kreme truck then I'd say it's Nalbandian.

Lsmkenpo
11-23-2010, 09:57 AM
Fast physically? it is Monfils by a large margin.

However,there are other equally important variables involved besides athletic ability that makes a players overall play faster, such as footwork, anticipation, and court positioning.

bolo
11-23-2010, 10:05 AM
In the 100 m dash I want to see borg, chang, grosjean, blake and monfils.

Federer would start bawling after 2 seconds. Lendl wouldn't even get off the mark. :)

Lsmkenpo
11-23-2010, 10:09 AM
Another one of these posts where the OP fails to set a criteria on how to definitively determine a result. Let's get back to the original question at hand - Who is the fastest? So we can stop at the Borg was from Krypton, and his parents sent him to earth on a spaceship, and now he is the ultimate human posts.

Who is the fastest on these criteria?
40 yard dash -
baseline shuffle from on end to another (nobody really sidestep for 1 or 2 steps anyways) -
most agile (who can stop on a dime, and recover) -
reaction time -
anticipation skills -

To me, ALL of these contribute to true on court speed. Is it Borg, Chang, or maybe some guy playing in the qualifiers right now?

Vertical leap is the best test measure of an athletes
explosive movement http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/importanceofverticaljump.html

I doubt anyone of the current or past top players can compare to Monfils in this regard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOXNW54Zssg&t=0m15s

el sergento
11-23-2010, 10:26 AM
Nadal is the quickest. Sorry to burst the legend of Borg's bubble, but Borg was getting to seemingly "impossible" shots coming off slow *** wooden racquets wielded by normal non-steroid using tennis players that used to prepare for a match by eating two cheeseburgers and drinking a gallon of coke (Connors' actual routine).

Times have changed so much that it's impossible to compare. I mean, no one really knows how Borg's legendary speed would fare against the Karlovic serve, the Soderling forehand, the Berdych/Gulbis backhand, the Spanish drop shot? My guess, not as good as Nadal.

Anyway, here's my list:

Nadal - overall
Monfils - pure speed, straight line bursts only
Federer
Borg
Edberg
Sampras - very underrated
Hewitt
Chang

Limpinhitter
11-23-2010, 10:37 AM
In terms of court coverage and speed who is/was the fastest ATP player ever?

Straight ahead sprint speed or on-court speed?

el sergento
11-23-2010, 10:45 AM
Straight ahead sprint speed or on-court speed?

For the sake of simplicity, we should just assume that "speed on a tennis court" implies one thing only: getting to as many balls as possible and doing something meaningful with the ball once you get there.

I think the above definition encompasses all the important facets of what it means to be considered a fast tennis player and should also include anticipation as an element of speed.

Example, if you're only fast moving forward but can't change direction very quickly then you're not that fast of a tennis player are you? Conversely, if you're quick moving left to right but can't chase down a drop shot, then you can't be considered amongst the elite in terms of fast tennis players.

Anyway, my .02c

Limpinhitter
11-23-2010, 10:49 AM
In the 100 m dash I want to see borg, chang, grosjean, blake and monfils.

Federer would start bawling after 2 seconds. Lendl wouldn't even get off the mark. :)

100m isn't that relevant to tennis. The entire length of a tennis court is under 24m. From baseline to net is under 12 meters.

rommil
11-23-2010, 10:51 AM
^^^^It'll make a really fast changeover......

bolo
11-23-2010, 10:55 AM
100m isn't that relevant to tennis. The entire length of a tennis court is under 24m. From baseline to net is under 12 meters.

I am interested in the 100m dash, is that wrong? :)

If you are just interested in court coverage there are things I would measure in addition to just speed/acceleration. Agassi had a nice breakdown of different types of players and how they cover the court.

Pioneer
11-23-2010, 11:04 AM
Borg. Nadal is almost as fast but he's very muscled. In terms of overall speed/power/weight ratio I think it's Safin

BigForehand
11-23-2010, 11:04 AM
Gael Monfils

he's Ussain Bolt's brother

el sergento
11-23-2010, 11:08 AM
Borg. Nadal is almost as fast but he's very muscled. In terms of overall speed/power/weight ratio I think it's Safin

Umm, Safin was many things but he sort of lumbered around on the court, I certainly never considered him particularly fast. Also, I'm pretty sure Safin weighed more than Nadal in his prime.

Underhand
11-23-2010, 11:13 AM
Del Potro is the fastest, especially between points.

Kunohara
11-23-2010, 11:21 AM
Gael Monfils by a landslide.

li0scc0
11-23-2010, 12:27 PM
Nadal is almost as fast but he's very muscled.

Nadal is far less muscled than most top sprinters.

li0scc0
11-23-2010, 12:58 PM
Another one of these posts where the OP fails to set a criteria on how to definitively determine a result. Let's get back to the original question at hand - Who is the fastest? So we can stop at the Borg was from Krypton, and his parents sent him to earth on a spaceship, and now he is the ultimate human posts.

Who is the fastest on these criteria?
40 yard dash -
baseline shuffle from on end to another (nobody really sidestep for 1 or 2 steps anyways) -
most agile (who can stop on a dime, and recover) -
reaction time -
anticipation skills -

To me, ALL of these contribute to true on court speed. Is it Borg, Chang, or maybe some guy playing in the qualifiers right now?

Agile is Federer, his ability to stop/decelerate.
Anticipation is McEnroe, he was not fast but could get to anything due to his ability to move before the opponent struck the shot.
Baseline shuffle is Chang.
40 yard dash is unknown, we never see any of them sprint more than 10 yards.

Mattingly
11-23-2010, 01:05 PM
Gael Monfils by a landslide.

I think your right. It doesn't even seem close. Someone said Macenroe haha.

Shaolin
11-23-2010, 02:34 PM
Bjorn Phau

TJfederer16
11-23-2010, 02:40 PM
davydenko should be included he's as quick as a cat on speed

morten
11-23-2010, 02:57 PM
davydenko should be included he's as quick as a cat on speed

true....cat on speed is a good one :)

youtekprestigemp
11-23-2010, 03:17 PM
Roger Rasheed said in an interview that when he started working with Monfil's he had him do some physical testing and he ran a 100m in 10.something sec

amorco
11-23-2010, 03:30 PM
Gael Monfils by a landslide.



Gael Monfils is so fast that he has to slide in order to stop...such a BigShot :)

chrischris
11-23-2010, 03:36 PM
Roger Rasheed said in an interview that when he started working with Monfil's he had him do some physical testing and he ran a 100m in 10.something sec

I heard that too,yep Gael is fast as lightning but i do think Rafa reads plays a lot better and moves best on tour.

Semi-Pro
11-23-2010, 04:03 PM
Bjorn Borg or Gael Monfils.

Mustard
11-23-2010, 04:35 PM
Hewitt (up to 2005), Coria, Nadal.

Djokovicfan4life
11-23-2010, 05:28 PM
davydenko should be included he's as quick as a cat on speed

Actually, I think he's a bit faster than Serendipitous.

LeftyFL
11-24-2010, 07:19 PM
Footwork plays an important role in court speed. I think Nadal has the best footwork I have ever seen. It is a close call between Borg, Nadal, Hewitt and Chang. The 100 yard dash means little when discussing start and stop speed. Nobody would say Barry Sanders was the flat out fastest RB, but his agility and cuts were something I have never seen equaled. That is what a tennis player needs.

Agreed! And I would add Coria to that list.

piece
11-24-2010, 07:49 PM
Bjorn Phau

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Orson Welles
11-24-2010, 09:51 PM
I hate to bring up a name out of left field but Fabio Fognini has sick speed. He played David Ferrer on the Tennis Channel a couple of weeks ago in one of those European indoor tournaments and he actually made Ferrer look slow. At one point Ferrer hit a drop volley that was so short and it hardly bounced at all. When I saw Fognini starting to run for it I asked myself why he is wasting his time and energy going for it because that ball is going to bounce 3times before he can get there. I almost fell out of my chair when Fognini got the ball and lobed it over Ferrer's head for a winner. Ferrer looked at him in total shock and fear.

IvanisevicServe
11-25-2010, 12:24 PM
Straight-line, Monfils dusts everyone in tennis...probably ever.

chrischris
11-25-2010, 12:58 PM
Edberg. Like lightning. Everywhere on the court.
On all surfaces. All the time.

borg number one
11-25-2010, 01:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKQVdZNsyuQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTMx--E0OhY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL__OcegrbY

(Thanks to Krosero)

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/100023460.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921A343B2C87A49D8F5CF34617189230F66 0077D3176297BC630B0BB6097288FD10E30A760B0D811297

Gorecki
11-25-2010, 01:47 PM
Mecir "the cat" was very very fast!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_f7iTnLR5E&feature=related

piece
11-25-2010, 03:00 PM
(clears throat) Maybe you guys didn't hear me, but I said "/thread"

;)

Shaolin
11-26-2010, 11:27 AM
(clears throat) Maybe you guys didn't hear me, but I said "/thread"

;)


^^QFT :)


Phau is so fast that he cannot even stop once he gets going!

http://cache.boston.com/multimedia/sports/bigshots/us_open_09/bs7.jpg