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jaap deboeck
04-16-2008, 08:05 AM
DIRTY TRICK

ATP spring clay schedule a travesty! Nadal is livid, and rightly so.

So much of the time the ATP stages rather meaningless uncovered small tourneys -- 3 at a time over 26 weeks -- where elite players have no incentive to appear. However, over the next four (4) weeks they have shoehorned elite Euro clay court events one after another: Monte Carlo, Rome, Barcelona, Hamburg, plus lesser events in Munich and Estoril.

A herd of ATP clay courters from Europe and South America earn many of their ranking points and prize money here. Nadal, #2 and the king of clay for 3 years, is chasing #1 and is favored during this part of the year.

IS THIS FAIR?

Rafa is outraged that he is expected to play grueling long matches deep into draws week after week after week leading to Roland Garros. Even if he defends his many clay titles, what shape will he be in to defend the prestigious Roland Garros crown? He may have to skip events and forego ranking points in order to keep his Paris odds strong. It makes Rafa’s pursuit of #1 a real uphill struggle. This favors Federer, Djokovic and Roddick etc. who would love to see Rafa softened up. In fact, Federer prays for someone to dislodge Nadal in Paris, perhaps clearing the path for Roger’s biggest triumph to date!

Next, the short grass court season, a totally different feel from red clay, is shoehorned in just after the French for a few weeks. Guys like Roddick, who make no effort to storm across the red clay, can set their sights on Wimbledon preparation while the dirtballers waste themselves!

The hardcourters can skip weeks at a time willy-nilly to rest and cherry pick tuneups leading to the U.S. Open! And one has months to gain strength for the Aussie. No wonder many players skip much of the U.S. hardcourt season and play smaller clay events in Europe!

Djokovicfan4life
04-16-2008, 08:24 AM
There's already a long thread about this very subject.

Vision84
04-16-2008, 08:38 AM
Hurts to be one-dimensional to surfaces doesn't it.

Now I wouldn't argue that Nadal is completely one-dimensional has he performs well on other surfaces but he is just not as well rounded as some other guys like Fed.

christo
04-16-2008, 10:05 AM
The grand slam calendar is completely f...ed up. However I believe that's the ITF and they are totally unwilling to change their dates. I think the US Open is in the right place, the AO needs to move it's date as does either the FO or Wimby, doubtful Wimby would, the French wouldn't pass gas if they thought it would help the Brits.

flyer
04-16-2008, 10:13 AM
Hurts to be one-dimensional to surfaces doesn't it.

Now I wouldn't argue that Nadal is completely one-dimensional has he performs well on other surfaces but he is just not as well rounded as some other guys like Fed.

One dimensional is certainly way off, clay might be his best surface and he might play a perfect clay court game but he has achieved more than almost anybody active on grass other than Fed and has achieved more on hard than people like Blake, Berdych, etc who's best surface is hard court, Nadal to good on clay all most to a fault because then people hold this other results to the same standard, he has achieved more on hard than almost all the hard court specialists, so my question is who are the "some other guys" you speak of that are more well rounded because I can only think of two

Federer_pilon
04-16-2008, 11:09 AM
Hurts to be one-dimensional to surfaces doesn't it.

Now I wouldn't argue that Nadal is completely one-dimensional has he performs well on other surfaces but he is just not as well rounded as some other guys like Fed.

How many guys do you know in the ATP who is a better all-rounder than Nadal? Federer? and then? who else? -.-

samej07
04-16-2008, 01:33 PM
The grand slam calendar is completely f...ed up. However I believe that's the ITF and they are totally unwilling to change their dates. I think the US Open is in the right place, the AO needs to move it's date as does either the FO or Wimby, doubtful Wimby would, the French wouldn't pass gas if they thought it would help the Brits.

hahaha, thats the funniest quote i've heard all day. the sad part is, its completely true. :lol:

JackSkellington
04-16-2008, 01:35 PM
Hurts to be one-dimensional to surfaces doesn't it.

Now I wouldn't argue that Nadal is completely one-dimensional has he performs well on other surfaces but he is just not as well rounded as some other guys like Fed.

Hurts to be stupid doesn't it? (had to.)

ShcMad
04-16-2008, 01:37 PM
DIRTY TRICK

ATP spring clay schedule a travesty! Nadal is livid, and rightly so.

So much of the time the ATP stages rather meaningless uncovered small tourneys -- 3 at a time over 26 weeks -- where elite players have no incentive to appear. However, over the next four (4) weeks they have shoehorned elite Euro clay court events one after another: Monte Carlo, Rome, Barcelona, Hamburg, plus lesser events in Munich and Estoril.

A herd of ATP clay courters from Europe and South America earn many of their ranking points and prize money here. Nadal, #2 and the king of clay for 3 years, is chasing #1 and is favored during this part of the year.

IS THIS FAIR?

Rafa is outraged that he is expected to play grueling long matches deep into draws week after week after week leading to Roland Garros. Even if he defends his many clay titles, what shape will he be in to defend the prestigious Roland Garros crown? He may have to skip events and forego ranking points in order to keep his Paris odds strong. It makes Rafaís pursuit of #1 a real uphill struggle. This favors Federer, Djokovic and Roddick etc. who would love to see Rafa softened up. In fact, Federer prays for someone to dislodge Nadal in Paris, perhaps clearing the path for Rogerís biggest triumph to date!

Next, the short grass court season, a totally different feel from red clay, is shoehorned in just after the French for a few weeks. Guys like Roddick, who make no effort to storm across the red clay, can set their sights on Wimbledon preparation while the dirtballers waste themselves!

The hardcourters can skip weeks at a time willy-nilly to rest and cherry pick tuneups leading to the U.S. Open! And one has months to gain strength for the Aussie. No wonder many players skip much of the U.S. hardcourt season and play smaller clay events in Europe!

A dirty trick? I disagree.

veroniquem
04-16-2008, 01:53 PM
The word I would choose is sabotage.

stormholloway
04-16-2008, 02:00 PM
It's just bad management. The Australian should be played after the two big hard court tournaments in America. Then the clay season should end with the French being a month earlier than it is, allowing at least one more grass tournament before Wimbledon.

There so desperately needs to be more grass tournaments, including a masters on grass.

veroniquem
04-16-2008, 02:04 PM
The only problem with this is that the weather in Paris at the end of april is still pretty cold and rainy, not the best for an outdoor tennis tournament...

aceroberts13
04-16-2008, 02:08 PM
I don't feel bad for the clay courters at all just like I don't feel bad for the guys who look forward to the grass season. If you ask me the guys wanting to play on grass and other fast surfaces are the ones getting the shaft.

edmondsm
04-16-2008, 02:09 PM
Cry me a river. Poor old Nadal can't get to 6000 ranking points because of the ATP schedule. Excuse me if I don't start writing letters to human rights groups. Nadal, just like everybody else, has had to play in an era with the most dominant player in tennis history. He's upset that the schedule is tough and he can't get the #1 ranking? Well get in line buddy. Most people didn't get to hoist 3 GS trophies in the last 3 years.

edmondsm
04-16-2008, 02:15 PM
I don't feel bad for the clay courters at all just like I don't feel bad for the guys who look forward to the grass season. If you ask me the guys wanting to play on grass and other fast surfaces are the ones getting the shaft.

Word. 10char

fer
04-16-2008, 02:31 PM
I don't feel bad for the clay courters at all just like I don't feel bad for the guys who look forward to the grass season. If you ask me the guys wanting to play on grass and other fast surfaces are the ones getting the shaft.

People that want to play on a fast court can do it during all the year, now all the important clay tournaments are packed in only one month.:-?

Vision84
04-16-2008, 02:39 PM
How many guys do you know in the ATP who is a better all-rounder than Nadal? Federer? and then? who else? -.-

For a world number 2 is what I had in mind, especially one trying really hard to get #1 in the world. I should have clarified that better. One-dimensional is harsh but I just don't see Nadal consistentally towards the top on hard courts. I would consider him a top 10 player on the surface but not top 5. I also feel the clay court season allows for more points than I would like but that is my own personal bias.

veroniquem
04-16-2008, 02:39 PM
Exactly, why would they be squished like this? Clay court tournaments used to be disseminated over the whole year. If this trend continues, one day, there will be only hard courts which is stupid since it's the surface with the highest risk of injuries.

chlsmo
04-16-2008, 02:43 PM
Well, I see it as temporary, it is just this year because of the olympics right? Also, they have been slowing down the grass at Wimbledon which is not the best news for Federer, so there are shakeups everywhere lately IMO. It is not like Federer or Djokovic won't also be subjected to the grueling schedule, I know they do not have as many points to defend, but Federer has a USO title to defend and Djokovic has a USO final appearance to defend or win right after the olympics as well. So everything is more crammed this year.

edmondsm
04-16-2008, 02:47 PM
Exactly, why would they be squished like this? Clay court tournaments used to be disseminated over the whole year. If this trend continues, one day, there will be only hard courts which is stupid since it's the surface with the highest risk of injuries

Yeah and there used to be a ton of grass tournaments as well. Such is life. What are you going to do? Clay and grass courts are harder to maintain. I'm sure Roddick would love to play in 1970 when half the tournaments were on super fast grass but I don't hear him complaining about the ridiculously short grass season.

veroniquem
04-16-2008, 02:53 PM
Roddick hasn't won more on grass than on hard courts recently! I wouldn't care even if I was the only one to complain, I really enjoy a variety of surfaces and particularly clay that allows for longer and more suspenseful rallies.

edmondsm
04-16-2008, 03:00 PM
Roddick hasn't won more on grass than on hard courts recently! I wouldn't care even if I was the only one to complain, I really enjoy a variety of surfaces and particularly clay that allows for longer and more suspenseful rallies.

Obviously he hasn't......because there aren't any grass court tournaments left. You like clay court tennis the best and that's fine. But everyone can complain all they want and nothing is going to change. The power is in the hands of the tournament directors and they see nothing but dollar signs. Grass and clay require to much maintenance for these people. Believe me, I wish there was more out there for clay courters. I wish that there was another clay court slam. I wish that there was more grass court tennis and a grass court masters event. I'll keep wishing but I don't think anything is going to happen.

veroniquem
04-16-2008, 03:06 PM
Well, if a lot of people wish for the same thing and are very vocal about it, maybe tournament directors will start listening regardless of the maintenance issue (although I have to say that is certainly a valid point).

aceroberts13
04-16-2008, 05:33 PM
People that want to play on a fast court can do it during all the year, now all the important clay tournaments are packed in only one month.:-?

That's debateable given the existence of both "fast" and "slow" hard courts.

Magix
04-16-2008, 09:26 PM
I get bored with the same surface over a long period of time. It's great to mix things up. More grass (the fast stuff!) and more carpet, please!