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kfactor/all/the/WAY!
04-21-2008, 06:31 PM
Yes this is another thread on pro supex strings.

One of my questions is on the premier ace. how much more stiff is it to Big ace and also in comparison to power.

Stan
04-21-2008, 07:13 PM
Premier Ace is softer than Big Ace, but lower powered.

supermario343
04-21-2008, 07:15 PM
Yes this is another thread on pro supex strings.

One of my questions is on the premier ace. how much more stiff is it to Big ace and also in comparison to power.

Yeah its softer but i feel it still plays well..I have a reel of the 16g in orange.

PROTENNIS63
04-22-2008, 02:53 AM
Premier Ace feels stiffer to me. Same stiffness like CF.

Stan
04-22-2008, 03:11 AM
Premier Ace feels stiffer to me. Same stiffness like CF.

Stiffer to the touch, but in the context of the stringbed, it plays softer than Big Ace.

kfactor/all/the/WAY!
04-22-2008, 05:11 AM
weird, on the pro supex usa site, it shows that premier ace is stiffer in comparison to big ace. i just wanted to confirm it but it is confusing me.

PROTENNIS63
04-22-2008, 05:46 AM
Stiffer to the touch, but in the context of the stringbed, it plays softer than Big Ace.

But I think that is what counts, no? If it feels stiffer, then the player playing with it will say it is stiffer.

Stan
04-22-2008, 06:21 AM
With all due respect in reading the PSUSA home page you will see numerous grammatical and spelling errors. This is not the type of attention to detail that inspires any confidence. The folks running the site are obviously not the sharpest tools in the shed. I have to question if they have any idea how the strings they promote really play? If they did, they would know the Premier Ace plays softer than the Big Ace.

That said, Premier Ace is made in Taiwan while Big Ace is made in Germany. They come from different factories. At the same time the site refers to them as siblings. Yah...whatever. Bottom line is if you play with one set of each you will find, and I GUARANTEE, that the Premiere Ace is the more comfortable and softer playing of the two.

Stan has spoken. Stan only speaks the truth.

supermario343
04-22-2008, 06:31 AM
^ stan has spoken lol...nice line :-P

DJG
04-22-2008, 07:04 AM
^^ lol

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old coach
04-22-2008, 07:36 AM
With all due respect in reading the PSUSA home page you will see numerous grammatical and spelling errors. This is not the type of attention to detail that inspires any confidence. The folks running the site are obviously not the sharpest tools in the shed. I have to question if they have any idea how the strings they promote really play? If they did, they would know the Premier Ace plays softer than the Big Ace.

That said, Premier Ace is made in Taiwan while Big Ace is made in Germany. They come from different factories. At the same time the site refers to them as siblings. Yah...whatever. Bottom line is if you play with one set of each you will find, and I GUARANTEE, that the Premiere Ace is the more comfortable and softer playing of the two.

Stan has spoken. Stan only speaks the truth.

According to USRSA testing, here are the stiffness ratings:

Big Ace 1.22: 225
Big Ace 1.25: 234
Premier Ace 1.25: 234
Big Ace 1.28: 238
Premier Ace 1.30: 240

So I guess Premier Ace is stiffer than Big Ace? You must be in love with Pro Supex unless the people in the USRSA are as dumb as Pro Supex people :lol:

Stan
04-22-2008, 08:17 AM
old coach,

Have you played with both? I have. I can tell you that the Premier Ace is softer. The USRSA data measures the same diameter string at the same stiffness. Big deal. That is a measurement taken by dropping a ball on a 6" - 8" single piece of tensioned string. It does not measure the stringbed stiffness nor does it take into account how the string actually performs in match play.

Also, I do not believe anyone is dumb...I just do not trust the attention to detail I see on the PS site, nor do I understand how anyone who has played with both can say the Big Ace is softer because that is not the same experience as I had with these strings.

nickb
04-22-2008, 08:21 AM
Premier Ace is quite a bit stiffer than Big Ace...its also very low powered.

Yes I have used both strings...over 20 times each.

Premier Ace hurts my arm...I find Big Ace very comfortable.

Nick

PROTENNIS63
04-22-2008, 08:41 AM
STAN:

I agree with Nick on this one. Premier Ace does feel stiffer. Maybe you are looking in a different book.

Also, I think the trick is how stiff the string feels during playing not when you touch it. And Premier Ace feels stiff during play while Big Ace would feel more comfortable during play. So maybe the Pro Supex people mean that during play, Premier Ace is stiffer ...

bsandy
04-22-2008, 10:14 AM
According to USRSA testing, here are the stiffness ratings:

Big Ace 1.22: 225
Big Ace 1.25: 234
Premier Ace 1.25: 234
Big Ace 1.28: 238
Premier Ace 1.30: 240

So I guess Premier Ace is stiffer than Big Ace? You must be in love with Pro Supex unless the people in the USRSA are as dumb as Pro Supex people :lol:

There are numerous thing on this "test" that aren't right.

. . . Bud

blackfrido
04-22-2008, 10:16 AM
Premier Ace is quite a bit stiffer than Big Ace...its also very low powered.

Yes I have used both strings...over 20 times each.

Premier Ace hurts my arm...I find Big Ace very comfortable.

Nick
Nick,

I have a question; how do you compare Crossfire with Pro Supex Big Ace Micro (the one you use in your Fischer)?

thanks! Javier

nickb
04-22-2008, 10:19 AM
Nick,

I have a question; how do you compare Crossfire with Pro Supex Big Ace Micro (the one you use in your Fischer)?

thanks! Javier

Hi,

The full Big Ace Micro feels very crisp and responsive. The full Micro has more feel than the Ashaway hybrid. They are very different strings...the kevlar is stiffer and grips the ball really well. Because micro is so thin it grips the ball great too but in a different way. I feel the crossfire at 48 had more dwell time than the full micro at 56. I just love the feel I get with micro at net! Very different string combo's really...

If you are looking for a crisp, responsive poly with a load of feel micro is well worth a look!

Nick

hoodjem
04-22-2008, 10:23 AM
Thanks Nick. I'm there. Sign me up!

blackfrido
04-22-2008, 10:26 AM
Hi,

The full Big Ace Micro feels very crisp and responsive. The full Micro has more feel than the Ashaway hybrid. They are very different strings...the kevlar is stiffer and grips the ball really well. Because micro is so thin it grips the ball great too but in a different way. I feel the crossfire at 48 had more dwell time than the full micro at 56. I just love the feel I get with micro at net! Very different string combo's really...

If you are looking for a crisp, responsive poly with a load of feel micro is well worth a look!

Nick


thanks again.

I think there is one thing that you stated "dwell time" is what makes stick to these strings. I did not find this characteristic in any other except in Ashaway Dynamite (in the same range of budget) but it's annoying the way they move.
Of course Dynamite is different but pockets the ball fantastic.

nickb
04-22-2008, 10:27 AM
Thanks Nick. I'm there. Sign me up!

haha...did you order a reel?

I have been using Micro over the last few days...love the stuff!

I know im not going to get longer than 6 hours as its so thin but who cares!

Nick

jonolau
04-22-2008, 10:31 PM
Premier Ace is definitely stiffer than Big Ace. The important measurement is initial tension loss. If I can recall off the top of my head, Big Ace loses about 18.6-20.5lbs post-stringing without hitting. Permier Ace loses about 17.2-19.4lbs.