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come on lleyton!
05-02-2008, 07:17 AM
I just noticed that mathieus ranking is 12!!! I thought there was a mistake but no. LMAO. I mean what has he done? Murray owned him in France pretty badly. The ranking system sucks.

PROTENNIS63
05-02-2008, 07:17 AM
He is pretty consistent... making round of 16 or quarters of many tournaments.

el sergento
05-02-2008, 08:33 AM
I've got him as #18, with the Bagman at 12 which is a complete surprise.

Max G.
05-02-2008, 01:23 PM
You can see exactly what he's done at atptennis.com by entering his name and clicking on 'ranking breakdown.' Why are you asking if you can look it up yourself?

if you're too lazy to do that, I can certainly let you know. He won a tournament in Gstaad and and got to the Final of a tournament in Moscow, each of those giving him 175 points. He's gotten to the semifinals of three other tournaments and the quarterfinals of one more.

In the Masters Series and the Grand Slams, he's only lost early twice - US Open first round, and a TMS that he didn't play. He has two grand slam 4th round results on record (btw, only 16 people make it to the 4th round - so that in itself means that he's pretty close to top 16) and one third round (round of 32). So according to his grand Slam results he's definitely top 16-top32 material. In the various Masters Series events, he's also been consistently getting to the round of 16-round of 32.

In summary - he's been playing like a top 20 player year round. He's not playing like a top 10 player, which is why he isn't getting to the quarterfinals or semis or finals of the majors or big events, but he's consistently playing like a top-16 or top-32 player, and getting to the last 16 or last 32 in a lot of the big events he plays.

By contrast, compare this to Andy Murray, who is currently ranked one spot below him, at 19. In the past year, Murray HAS NOT made it past the round-of-32 at a Grand Slam; he has one round-of-32 showing, two no-shows, and one first round loss. Murray has better results in the small tournaments (three wins, a final, and a quarterfinal, as compared to Mathieu's one win, one final, three semis, and a quartefinal). In TMS events, Murray is slightly better - he has one quarterfinal to his record and one fewer no-show. But it's close.

In summary, Mathieu is ranked above Murray because Murray has won virtually no matches in Grand Slams over the past year and Mathieu has been mostly holding seed in those big events, and that (in the rankings) slightly outweighs the slightly better results of Murray in the smaller events.

Moose Malloy
05-02-2008, 01:32 PM
Considering the top 3 have basically all the points these day, I'm not sure it takes much to be 12 or so compared to years past. There will be a lot of fluctuating of players between like 6 & 20 this year(which I think was the case last year as well)

gj011
05-02-2008, 01:49 PM
PHM fell 6 places this week and is currently ranked 18.

18 Mathieu, Paul-Henri (FRA) 1385 -6 25

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/rankings/entrysystem/

Quite appropriate ranking for him. I don't see anything strange here.

mdjenders
05-02-2008, 01:54 PM
there is such a logjam from 12-25 or so that all those players are pretty much in a dead heat as far as rankings go. the top few guys are just sucking up all the points, leaving the rest to get the scraps. now davydenko has such a cushion that he could lose all his roland garros pts and still keep his rank.

Klatu Verata Necktie
05-02-2008, 02:21 PM
How did Baghdatis manage to improve his ranking while not playing events?

cujays
05-02-2008, 02:42 PM
How did Baghdatis manage to improve his ranking while not playing events?

i really dont know

gj011
05-02-2008, 02:57 PM
How did Baghdatis manage to improve his ranking while not playing events?

Because PHM himself lost some points and fell 6 places, pushing Marcos one place up :)

Klatu Verata Necktie
05-02-2008, 06:29 PM
Because PHM himself lost some points and fell 6 places, pushing Marcos one place up :)

I see, but doesn't Baghdatis have points of his own to defend?

scineram
05-04-2008, 04:00 AM
What do you think?

Klatu Verata Necktie
05-04-2008, 06:35 AM
What do you think?

Thanks for the condescending answer. Obviously he didn't have points to defend in the past few clay court tournaments, otherwise he wouldn't have maintained his ranking. What I was looking for was info on whether he has points to defend during the clay court season. There are 2 Masters Series events to play and a Grand Slam. Can Marcos avoid these tournaments and survive within the top 20?

Anyway, thanks for the massive insight :rolleyes:

scineram
05-04-2008, 06:56 AM
Why do you not look it up in like 30 seconds?

Klatu Verata Necktie
05-04-2008, 07:01 AM
Does being rude make you feel better about yourself?

Fedace
05-04-2008, 07:06 AM
I just noticed that mathieus ranking is 12!!! I thought there was a mistake but no. LMAO. I mean what has he done? Murray owned him in France pretty badly. The ranking system sucks.

PH is actually very talented and very powerful player. He was touted as consistant top 10 by french federation. but he is yet to fulfill that promise.

Max G.
05-04-2008, 11:58 AM
Thanks for the condescending answer. Obviously he didn't have points to defend in the past few clay court tournaments, otherwise he wouldn't have maintained his ranking. What I was looking for was info on whether he has points to defend during the clay court season. There are 2 Masters Series events to play and a Grand Slam. Can Marcos avoid these tournaments and survive within the top 20?

Anyway, thanks for the massive insight :rolleyes:

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/pointsbreakdown.asp?player=B837

You can go to atptennis.com, type 'Marcos Baghdatis' into the box labeled 'find player', then click on 'ranking breakdown' on the right side of the page. That gives you the breakdown of his current points. (He, indeed, has only 5 points to defend between now and the French Open.)

35ft6
05-04-2008, 11:33 PM
Put him down all you want but his groundstrokes are nastayyyyyy. One of those guys you watch and wonder how anybody beats him. Not that you think he's unbeatable, but just makes you realize just how good the top 10 really are.

Klatu Verata Necktie
05-05-2008, 04:50 AM
http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/pointsbreakdown.asp?player=B837

You can go to atptennis.com, type 'Marcos Baghdatis' into the box labeled 'find player', then click on 'ranking breakdown' on the right side of the page. That gives you the breakdown of his current points. (He, indeed, has only 5 points to defend between now and the French Open.)

Thanks for the info. It's a shame that Marcos can't take advantage of the clay court swing to accumulate some points to try and break into the top 10. Does anyone know if he's planning to play Hamburg or the French Open?

Klatu Verata Necktie
05-05-2008, 04:52 AM
Put him down all you want but his groundstrokes are nastayyyyyy. One of those guys you watch and wonder how anybody beats him. Not that you think he's unbeatable, but just makes you realize just how good the top 10 really are.

I completely agree. His groundstrokes are among the most powerful I've seen in person. They seem to fly off his racquet with Blake-like pace. Very impressive.

I've noticed that his groundstrokes are both powerful and consistent when he's relaxed. Add pressure, and they tend to break down just enough for the top players to take advantage.

Moose Malloy
05-05-2008, 08:29 AM
any one remember this memorable choke job?


04-19-2006

Guillermo Coria battled back from the brink against fragile Frenchman Paul-Henri Mathieu, with the Argentine sixth seed squeezing out a narrow 1-6, 7-6 (8/6), 6-4 victory into the third round of the Monte Carlo Open.

In a duel lasting just under three hours, 2004 winner Coria, twice a losing finalist, recovered while trailing 6-1, 4-0 against Mathieu, who could not follow up on his heroics after defeating Marat Safin on Tuesday.

Coria finally advanced on his seventh match point as he overcame 20 double-faults and produced only 26 winners against 62 unforced errors.

Mathieu let his chances slip repeatedly, missing on four match point opportunities, including two in a second-set tiebreaker.

35ft6
05-05-2008, 02:28 PM
I completely agree. His groundstrokes are among the most powerful I've seen in person. They seem to fly off his racquet with Blake-like pace. Very impressive.In some ways, I think he's got the prototypical forehand far as modern forehands go. Windshield wiper, incredible action, but not excessively loopy and gets plenty of speed on his shots. Way smoother than Ginepri's which is similar yet uglier and less versatile.

Moose Malloy
05-10-2008, 01:13 PM
Considering the top 3 have basically all the points these day, I'm not sure it takes much to be 12 or so compared to years past. There will be a lot of fluctuating of players between like 6 & 20 this year(which I think was the case last year as well)


going back to this - anyone notice that Wawrinka is going from 24 to 10 in the next rankings? That's a pretty amazing increase from just one tournament, there is incredible parity between 10-30 these days..

Outside of slams I can't recall someone making that kind of jump into the top 10 from just one event.

TheTruth
05-10-2008, 07:00 PM
I thought that was odd too. Once you get in the 20's it's usually hard to shave that many spots off, definitely strange!

Nellie
05-10-2008, 07:21 PM
I think the point system has changed in the last couple of years to make the ratings more even, particularly since the same players are winning at the top end, so the remaining points are geting spread around.

orangettecoleman
05-10-2008, 09:50 PM
Considering the top 3 have basically all the points these day, I'm not sure it takes much to be 12 or so compared to years past. There will be a lot of fluctuating of players between like 6 & 20 this year(which I think was the case last year as well)

that is true. the rankings are going to be stable in the top 5 and below that will be fluctuating a lot this year.

orangettecoleman
05-10-2008, 09:54 PM
Thanks for the info. It's a shame that Marcos can't take advantage of the clay court swing to accumulate some points to try and break into the top 10. Does anyone know if he's planning to play Hamburg or the French Open?

According to the Tecnifibre website he will be debuting the new racquet he is endorsing at the French. BTW he is switching from Fischer to Tecnifibre.