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superstition
05-14-2008, 08:53 PM
1. Solid feel. Not hollow. Not flimsy.

2. Stable. Put some added weight in the hoop where everyone puts lead. It's silly that nearly every experienced player using the PS 85 has to add lead. Don't make the racquet too light.

3. 3/4" grip option. I'm willing to pay $50 more just for a grip I don't have to build up.

4. Consider weighting proportionally to grip size, so people with large grips don't end up with racquets that feel like the grip is too light.

5. Thicker beam than PS 85, but not excessively thicker.

6. Highest quality dark leather grip.

7. Subdued cosmetics. Glossy black with a single thin pinstripe might be nice.

8. Keep PS 85's string density (regarding the size of the gaps).

9. Don't make the hoop whippy like the PS 6.0 95. Keep it just as crisp, or crisper than the 85.

10. Use the same materials as the SV PS 85 (braided graphite and kevlar), possibly with a bit more stiffness (boron?).

[d]ragon
05-14-2008, 09:19 PM
11. also come in a 95 headsize option

don_nguyen11490
05-14-2008, 10:32 PM
1. I want it to be a PS85.

/thread.

HeadPrestige
05-14-2008, 10:34 PM
ragon;2335097']11. also come in a 95 headsize option

QFT! ...... 10 char

stormholloway
05-14-2008, 10:37 PM
I'll take a K90 with a bit more mass in the throat and a black paintjob. Done.

aimr75
05-14-2008, 11:38 PM
re: No. 7, matte black would be much nicer then glossy
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VoodooChi|d
05-14-2008, 11:49 PM
Just make it like the 6.0 95 except less dead in the upper part of the hoop.

AlpineCadet
05-15-2008, 12:04 AM
I know Wilson won't be reading through this thread for any local tips/ideas, but it's def. worth a try.1. Solid feel. Not hollow. Not flimsy.

2. Stable. Put some added weight in the hoop where everyone puts lead. It's silly that nearly every experienced player using the PS 85 has to add lead. Don't make the racquet too light.

3. 3/4" grip option. I'm willing to pay $50 more just for a grip I don't have to build up.

4. Consider weighting proportionally to grip size, so people with large grips don't end up with racquets that feel like the grip is too light.

5. Thicker beam than PS 85, but not excessively thicker.

6. Highest quality dark leather grip.

7. Subdued cosmetics. Glossy black with a single thin pinstripe might be nice.

8. Keep PS 85's string density (regarding the size of the gaps).

9. Don't make the hoop whippy like the PS 6.0 95. Keep it just as crisp, or crisper than the 85.

10. Use the same materials as the SV PS 85 (braided graphite and kevlar), possibly with a bit more stiffness (boron?).

11. Keep the SW numbers under 325; leaving room for custom modifications.

12. Although 90 seems to be the magic number for the elite, please consider the rest of us who prefer something bigger.

14. Any paintjob will sell this frame, but please keep it simple and mainly black. Yeah, I skipped 13.

15. RDC Flex should be below 65 if possible, esp. for such a HL frame.

16. Must surpass or at least match the k90 in the control department.

AlpineCadet
05-15-2008, 12:15 AM
I'll take a K90 with a bit more mass in the throat and a black paintjob. Done.
Then buy a k90, spray paint it with a light coat, and add some lead to the throat. :grin: All I am saying is that your "request" can easily be fulfilled by starting with a retail k90, which is already available. The new "Sampras" frame should be different from the k90--because why make one if it's just a copy of the k90? Anyway, I'm pretty sure this new frame won't just be a mock of the k90 with an updated paint job (i.e. Volkl 2007 C10 vs. Volkl 2008 C10.)

GPB
05-15-2008, 08:01 AM
More like a 6.1 but with a little more flex. The end. (Maybe this doesn't have to be a new racket... is there one that would meet these specs now?)

rockbox
05-15-2008, 08:14 AM
Just like the original prostaffs but with a 90 and 98 version.

obnoxious2
05-15-2008, 08:32 AM
Cross #7 off. Glossy black is bleh especially if you want it to be a classic.

Bubba
05-15-2008, 10:51 AM
Just give me a PS 85 + add a few points of stiffness in a 90 inch form. Done.

stormholloway
05-15-2008, 10:56 AM
Then buy a k90, spray paint it with a light coat, and add some lead to the throat. :grin: All I am saying is that your "request" can easily be fulfilled by starting with a retail k90, which is already available. The new "Sampras" frame should be different from the k90--because why make one if it's just a copy of the k90? Anyway, I'm pretty sure this new frame won't just be a mock of the k90 with an updated paint job (i.e. Volkl 2007 C10 vs. Volkl 2008 C10.)

Are you under the impression that mass in the throat and lead stuck on the throat will feel the same?

AlpineCadet
05-15-2008, 11:21 AM
Are you under the impression that mass in the throat and lead stuck on the throat will feel the same?

They feel identical to me. Am I missing something?

I play with a LM Rad MP with at least 17 grams in the throat, and it plays just as solid as the LM Prestige MP, except my frame has more power.

stormholloway
05-15-2008, 11:39 AM
You can duplicate swingweight and such but I think feel is a different story.

[d]ragon
05-15-2008, 02:26 PM
QFT! ...... 10 char

what does that stand for? (im a noob)

Matt H.
05-15-2008, 02:37 PM
i think the easier solution is to just bring back the 85 and the 95 as is.

However, with this current prototype being sampras influenced...you know the paint job will not be flashy. You know it will have some weight to it, and it will have some stiff/crispness to it.

StunLock
05-15-2008, 02:37 PM
ragon;2337298']what does that stand for? (im a noob)

quit f-ing trolling :twisted:

jk, quoted for truth :)

superstition
05-16-2008, 09:23 AM
Cross #7 off. Glossy black is bleh especially if you want it to be a classic.
Aesthetics is a highly subjective area. I think matte paint is "bleh", especially with the McDonald's red and yellow color scheme of the PS 85. I'd rather have a single thin pinstripe, with a metallic paint. That paired with glossy black would look good in my opinion.

As for the idea of having a stiffer 90 sq in version of the PS 85, that's OK but the string density (gaps) should be the same, too. And, there should be more weight to it so people don't have to automatically put lead on the hoop to make it stable. The handles should be proportionally weighted so that large grips feel solid. It should come in 4 3/4. The leather grip should be higher quality (thick). The cosmetics should be less busy than even the Chinese PS 85. There is way too much text on that one. No one needs to care about Wilson's obsolete "6.0" stiffness index rating, for instance. It should just be called Wilson Pro Staff 90.

fuzz nation
05-16-2008, 09:32 AM
More like a 6.1 but with a little more flex. The end. (Maybe this doesn't have to be a new racket... is there one that would meet these specs now?)

The Volkl C10 isn't too far away for me. The Wilson 6.1 just has a more even response in my experience.

RoddickistheMan
05-16-2008, 07:52 PM
I think I would prefer the beam to be the same as the 6.0
Also make it have the same maneuverability as the 6.0.

smart_player
05-16-2008, 09:59 PM
Personally, as someone with a double handed backhand, I would like to see the handle lengh the same as the k95 (not as long as the n code 90). However, judging by the pictures of the Sampras prototype, it seems wilson has already decided on a shorter handle like the k90 and ps85.

[d]ragon
05-16-2008, 10:02 PM
^^^ i like the shorter handle of the k90 and PSO. then again, i hit my 2hbh with my hands togehter

superstition
05-18-2008, 01:48 PM
Any guesses on when this might come out?

Kirko
05-18-2008, 06:02 PM
1. Solid feel. Not hollow. Not flimsy.

2. Stable. Put some added weight in the hoop where everyone puts lead. It's silly that nearly every experienced player using the PS 85 has to add lead. Don't make the racquet too light.

3. 3/4" grip option. I'm willing to pay $50 more just for a grip I don't have to build up.

4. Consider weighting proportionally to grip size, so people with large grips don't end up with racquets that feel like the grip is too light.

5. Thicker beam than PS 85, but not excessively thicker.

6. Highest quality dark leather grip.

7. Subdued cosmetics. Glossy black with a single thin pinstripe might be nice.

8. Keep PS 85's string density (regarding the size of the gaps).

9. Don't make the hoop whippy like the PS 6.0 95. Keep it just as crisp, or crisper than the 85.

10. Use the same materials as the SV PS 85 (braided graphite and kevlar), possibly with a bit more stiffness (boron?).

if wilson is this serious about doing a frame for Sampras then it should be made in the U.S.A. that would set it apart from all the rest.

fortunecookiesjc
05-18-2008, 06:17 PM
Some Lasers would be nice.... hehe

No but I love the original cosmetics on the 6.0 Its really nice and sleeek

obnoxious2
05-18-2008, 06:39 PM
if wilson is this serious about doing a frame for Sampras then it should be made in the U.S.A. that would set it apart from all the rest.

Or make it in St. Vincents again. That will make all pro staff SV obsessed people skeet their pants.

m1stuhxsp4rk5
05-18-2008, 11:12 PM
spin of k90
balance of the ps85
black pj
17mm thickness

srvnvly
05-19-2008, 04:44 AM
add a 95 sq in. head size option, with beam width of 22mm; keep sw at 325; 8 pts HL

superstition
05-19-2008, 05:26 PM
17mm thickness
To keep the beam that thin will require greater stiffness in the hoop, or the hoop will be more flexible than the 85 due to increased size. Plus, according to St. Vincent lore, the old moulds caused the racquets to be closer to 18mm.

As far as I understand, it's costly to produce a thin beam with stiffness. So, if the racquet has to be 19mm in order to be as stiff as the PS 85 with reasonable cost, will it play any differently than a 17mm version with greater internal stiffness to compensate for the thinner layup? Or, are we simply talking about aesthetics/psychology?

HeadPrestige
05-19-2008, 05:29 PM
add a 95 sq in. head size option, with beam width of 22mm; keep sw at 325; 8 pts HL

22mm??? that would hardly be a successor to the 6.0

drakulie
05-19-2008, 05:35 PM
In other words, just keep making the PS 85 at the St. Vincent Factory.

AlpineCadet
05-19-2008, 06:01 PM
In other words, just keep making the PS 85 at the St. Vincent Factory.
A box beam 95-98 FTW!

superstition
05-19-2008, 06:13 PM
A box beam 95-98 FTW!
Fat twisted Wanda? What does she have to do with beams? I know she likes boxes, but really...

Hatari!
05-19-2008, 06:31 PM
I think it should be polarized.

superstition
05-26-2008, 09:17 PM
Half red and half blue, eh?

fortunecookiesjc
05-26-2008, 09:24 PM
All black Cosmetics with just Wilson Sampras on it.....

L4RZ
05-26-2008, 09:42 PM
Same mold as the ps 85 and solid like the st.Vincent
a tad more flex for the comfort, increased sweetspot and a bit more touch.
Shiny black color with thin gold stripes..well anything goes but i hope they dont make it to flashy.

Just wondering, why make it even stiffer? The only positive thing about it (the way I see it) is that you get more power and do you really
want that on players frame? Isnt it just better to drop the tension?
Or is it the feel of it?

superstition
05-27-2008, 01:33 PM
Same mold as the ps 85
It can't be a 90 sq in racquet with the same mold.
Just wondering, why make it even stiffer?
Because the PS 85 is like a marshmallow against today's Pure Drives.

L4RZ
05-27-2008, 01:58 PM
It can't be a 90 sq in racquet with the same mold.

Because the PS 85 is like a marshmallow against today's Pure Drives.

Oh sorry I didnt know that its going to be a 90" :oops:.

Yepp no question about it :) but is that a good thing? I mean if its going to replace the ps 85 shouldn't it be similar?

I guess its a matter of what you like. It just seems to me that Wilson already has a huge line of stiff racquets (K90 etc).

obnoxious2
05-27-2008, 02:00 PM
It can't be a 90 sq in racquet with the same mold.

Because the PS 85 is like a marshmallow against today's Pure Drives.

The pro staff was plenty stiff. If we really wanted anything stiffer, we would have gotten babolats.

superstition
05-27-2008, 02:05 PM
The pro staff was plenty stiff.
A matter of opinion. I suppose it also depends upon the version of the PS 85 we're talking about. The last one I got was flexy and felt hollow.
If we really wanted anything stiffer, we would have gotten babolats.
A bit of hyperbole... The Wilson Ultra 2 makes for a better comparison.

obnoxious2
05-27-2008, 04:11 PM
By the way, has sampras played any matches recently so that hopefully we can get some more info on the racket?

rockbox
05-27-2008, 07:16 PM
A matter of opinion. I suppose it also depends upon the version of the PS 85 we're talking about. The last one I got was flexy and felt hollow.

A bit of hyperbole... The Wilson Ultra 2 makes for a better comparison.


The Ultra 2 was an elbows worst nightmare. It was the stiffest racquet I have had the pleasure of playing with. What's funny is that I didn't mind the stiffness when I played with it. It was great to be young.

superstition
05-28-2008, 02:05 PM
The Ultra 2 was an elbows worst nightmare. It was the stiffest racquet I have had the pleasure of playing with. What's funny is that I didn't mind the stiffness when I played with it. It was great to be young.
I have one and it doesn't bother me. Maybe it's because I string it with gut?

superstition
06-09-2008, 06:00 PM
I wonder when this is going to be released. It's definitely taking some time.

Mansewerz
06-09-2008, 06:04 PM
Is your avatar of Mark Philipoussis?

geesechops
06-09-2008, 06:50 PM
Looks like Gambill

obnoxious2
06-09-2008, 06:55 PM
I wonder when this is going to be released. It's definitely taking some time.

I posted this in another thread a few weeks back but here it goes again....the more I think about it, the more I believe that this new wilson prototype will be the k90's update. People will buy it up just because it has a special endorser (sampras) and the right paint job (some sort of non fancy black hopefully).

superstition
06-09-2008, 08:42 PM
If it is an update for the k90 I hope it's tolerable to look at instead of something that looks like something threw up on it.

m1stuhxsp4rk5
06-09-2008, 09:11 PM
they said the racket might be released during the us open?

HeadPrestige
06-09-2008, 09:57 PM
my guess.. based on absolutely no factual evidence at all is that it will premiere at the US open this year and go on sale to the public in jan-feb of next year

superstition
06-10-2008, 03:56 PM
If it is an update for the k90 I hope it's tolerable to look at instead of something that looks like something threw up on it.
Oh, and a 4 3/4 grip option.