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bluetrain4
05-30-2008, 07:32 PM
TW just started selling their new "T" and "C" series racquets. They have three "players" racquets as part of the "T" series:

T-5: 100 sq. inches, 11.2 oz, 325 SW, 24 mm beam, 18x19, 4 pts headlight, 74 stiffness.

T-6: 98 sq. inches, 10.9 oz, 325 SW, 25/23/22 mm beam, 16 x20, 1 pt head heavy, 63 stiffness.

T-7: 100 sq inches, 11.4 oz, 313 SW, 20 mm beam, 16x19, 6 pts head light, 57 stiffness.


What were they thinking?

The two heavier sticks (which aren't really that heavy) have insane variances in stiffness and beam width. No moderation at all.

The T-6, which has moderate stiffness, is so light.

Couldn't they have an 11.7-12.2 oz stick with moderate SW and stiffness.

The racquets look really nice, but there are no specs in that lineup that look remotely usable - too stiff, or too flexy, or too light.

Hopefully these are actually their tweener sticks and they'll have another line of heavier, more moderate sticks.

The T-7 specs look pretty good, except the extreme flexiness. With that low weight it will play like a noodle.

Bud
05-30-2008, 07:34 PM
TW just started selling their new "T" and "C" series racquets. They have three "players" racquets as part of the "T" series:

T-5: 100 sq. inches, 11.2 oz, 325 SW, 24 mm beam, 18x19, 4 pts headlight, 74 stiffness.

T-6: 98 sq. inches, 10.9 oz, 325 SW, 25/23/22 mm beam

Lol! I just looked at them a half hour ago and thought the same. What are they thinking?

bluetrain4
05-30-2008, 07:41 PM
Lol! I just looked at them a half hour ago and thought the same. What are they thinking?


I accidentally posted the thread before finishing. It's edited now to include everything I had intended to.

soyizgood
05-30-2008, 08:01 PM
Meowmix and I discussed this when I first found out about their new line a while back. Gamma just seems to put a half-@ss effort when marketing their racquets. They've made some good racquets before, but they don't want to go all-out in this segment of their business. At least with the iPex and G series their product line was better distributed.

Now, it seems they want to go after the casual and recreational player segment more while sacrificing the hardcore player segment (95 sq in and below). They didn't make a T racquet with a headsize smaller than 98, which is typical of a company called Babolat. I think Sports Chalet is going to sell Gamma racquets as well (I talked with a sales rep there back in March), so maybe they are making efforts to get folks aware of their offerings.

Good luck, Gamma. Their racquet quality is good and I love their grips, but I have not so good experiences with their strings. And it remains to be seen if their racquet marketing works well.

meowmix
05-30-2008, 08:14 PM
Out of the new rackets, I wouldn't seriously consider any of them. The t5 seems to be a PD remake, the t6 seems to be a bad attempt at stealing some of the market share of Dunlop's 300 line and the Radical line. The t7 actually seems like a decent racket, except its head size is too large. Granted, it's a 100, but on a stick that's otherwise perfectly player's? Give me a break!!! It's got this nice low stiffness (kindalike the redondo's and donnay's), wonderful 20mm beam, PURE GRAPHITE (now how often do you see that?), and a spin friendly 16*19 pattern to boot. And then they put a 100 HS on it?!!! Make it 95 for god's sake!!! Make it a mid!!! Make it a 100 and you've driven away 50% of the people who would have otherwise bought it!!! sigh... The G series sold really well and the g325 was a big hit. The Ipex series kinda flopped, but I'm still enjoying the 7.0 MP. Guess I'll wait until the next line comes out to see if any of those are more palatable.

meowmix
05-30-2008, 08:15 PM
On a side note, it seems Gamma is walking the Wilson and Head road of racket design: extreme flashiness. Why couldn't they make the rackets pure black with red/orange/whatever color accents? Why these garish paint schemes? sign...

meowmix
05-30-2008, 08:20 PM
The T-7 specs look pretty good, except the extreme flexiness. With that low weight it will play like a noodle.

With some lead, that'll play sort of like the Redondo MP. You got to give them that much.

El Diablo
05-30-2008, 09:37 PM
The question raised is "why doesn't Gamma do exactly what most of the other racquet manufacturers do?" Perhaps they realize that more serious players will be more attracted to brands used by pros, so they might as well try to appeal to the casual player. Makes sense to me. People who say "oh I wish they made a moderate flex, heavier, smaller head frame" are likely to be turned off by the name Gamma anyway.

2nd_Serve
05-30-2008, 09:44 PM
Wow...I think this line-up may have lost some gamma racket fans.

pow
05-30-2008, 09:52 PM
Wow...I think this line-up may have lost some gamma racket fans.

There were Gamma racquet fans?

HyperHorse
05-30-2008, 11:23 PM
I might be inclined to try the T5 or T6 and mess around with leadtape...
74 stiffness? hahaha...
Rocket launcher!!!

mdjenders
05-30-2008, 11:38 PM
g325 is a pretty unique racquet. I would be using it if the supply of my grip size hadnt dried up. these new ones on the other hand are quite bizarre, with strange specs and lousy colors.

string70
05-31-2008, 06:08 AM
TW just started selling their new "T" and "C" series racquets. They have three "players" racquets as part of the "T" series:

T-5: 100 sq. inches, 11.2 oz, 325 SW, 24 mm beam, 18x19, 4 pts headlight, 74 stiffness.

T-6: 98 sq. inches, 10.9 oz, 325 SW, 25/23/22 mm beam, 16 x20, 1 pt head heavy, 63 stiffness.

T-7: 100 sq inches, 11.4 oz, 313 SW, 20 mm beam, 16x19, 6 pts head light, 57 stiffness.








The two heavier sticks (which aren't really that heavy) have insane variances in stiffness and beam width. No moderation at all.

The T-6, which has moderate stiffness, is so light.

Couldn't they have an 11.7-12.2 oz stick with moderate SW and stiffness.

The racquets look really nice, but there are no specs in that lineup that look remotely usable - too stiff, or too flexy, or too light.

Hopefully these are actually their tweener sticks and they'll have another line of heavier, more moderate sticks.

The T-7 specs look pretty good, except the extreme flexiness. With that low weight it will play like a noodle.
What were they thinking?

Saw the same thing today, the G325 went from not being on sale at TW (it was 1/2 the price everywhere else) and now its gone. I have bought or tried almost every thin beamed racket and I am very happy with the G325. Guess I will buy a few more. I will not be trying their new offerings, but again the G325 is heads and heels better and more solid feeling then most current Wilson, Heads and Prince frames.

L4RZ
05-31-2008, 06:39 AM
Whats wrong with the T-7 :???: it might be a bit light but the flex, large head and low sw will make it a good alternative for people with shoulderproblems. Its also cheap compared to wilson, head etc.

The Ipex series were also light so there's nothing new there.

Sleepstream
05-31-2008, 08:21 AM
Does the T-6 have a Fischer Pro 1 mold? Not sure if anyone else thinks this.

soyizgood
06-02-2008, 10:59 AM
Gamma is trying to increase overall market share. But if that's the case, why price the racquets in the high-end? Wouldn't Gamma be smarter to lower the price on the C racquets to entice people to try Gamma? The T racquets I guess are okay-priced, but they could have made the T-5 or T-6 a bit cheaper to induce the curious hobbyist player segment. Oh well...

ced
06-02-2008, 12:31 PM
g325 is a pretty unique racquet. I would be using it if the supply of my grip size hadnt dried up. these new ones on the other hand are quite bizarre, with strange specs and lousy colors.


I'm really sorry this gem was discontinued by Gamma .... I came across it late, but when I did I quickly dumped all my other sticks. The G325 is a real winner.... I don't care who makes it or markets it.

LafayetteHitter
06-02-2008, 02:21 PM
The G325 might be like by a few here but I asked you, how many people have most of us seen using the G325? Gamma definitely has a better shot at getting sales from newer players.

Peter Szucs
06-02-2008, 11:21 PM
without knowing Gamma i think they simply wanna release frames that are different to whats available on the market... a typical move for a small company to get some extra market share.

Leelord337
06-02-2008, 11:23 PM
and...their worst racquet ever, the big bubba, :)

http://www.********sports.com/m/Tennis/Tennis-Racquets/Gamma/p1/101186.htm (its Hola Bird Sports [one word] thats bleeped out)

its 28in long and 130in head size

mdjenders
06-03-2008, 02:48 AM
I have officially given up in trying to find g325 in 1/4 grip size. The 3/8 demo I tried was wonderfully different with super head light feel and super flexiness, but too big grip :(. Too bad for gamma, because I love to blab on and on about equipment to all my tennis friends; I would have been a good ambassador for the gamma brand.

pow
06-03-2008, 03:55 AM
Who knows, sometimes weird specs work out. The Nblade was a successful selling model from Wilson, who knew high SW, flexy, closed string pattern, 11+oz, close to even balance would work out.
Not for everyone obviously.

SFrazeur
06-03-2008, 09:29 AM
Am I the only one who likes the specs of the T-5? Shame they do not have a plus, I would try it.


T-5: 100 sq. inches, 11.2 oz, 325 SW, 24 mm beam, 18x19, 4 pts headlight, 74 stiffness.

-SF

f1 tech
06-03-2008, 11:51 AM
The T-7 is very much like the Catapult 10.
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCVOLKL-VCAT10.html

meowmix
06-03-2008, 12:44 PM
Am I the only one who likes the specs of the T-5? Shame they do not have a plus, I would try it.


T-5: 100 sq. inches, 11.2 oz, 325 SW, 24 mm beam, 18x19, 4 pts headlight, 74 stiffness.

-SF

It seems a little too powerful for me. I would try it, but I'm not really in the market for new rackets, much less a pure drive esk racket.

jazar
06-03-2008, 01:01 PM
so they are no longer making big bubba. sad

Leelord337
06-03-2008, 03:07 PM
^^^only tennis players named bubba actually went out and bought the big bubba

LoveThisGame
06-08-2008, 04:59 PM
Someone earlier remarked about good quality in Gamma frames. Their frames pre-Fischer were very good. What I've seen since Fischer is poor enough that I have lost money and have no intention of getting any more demos.

The first year, one racquet was going on an ounce lighter than spec. I leaded it to spec, but ...

The second year a 4 1/2 demo was close to 4 5/8, making it largely useless

If a customer likes a frame and I was to order it, would it resemble the demo? Or would I have to stock a bunch and let customers sort through them to find one they like?

I called Gamma about the problems (nicely) each year, but the "Product Manager" never seemed able to call me back.

meowmix
06-08-2008, 06:04 PM
I love my Ipex 7.0 MP's, but the two I have are quite different. I slapped leather grips and two overgrips on both of em. One is now strung and has a balance point of 9.18 or something like that. The other is unstrung and is balanced at about 10.5. The unstrung one is ALMOST as heavy as the strung one. While this isn't that big a difference, you can definately tell the two apart.

Zach
06-08-2008, 06:13 PM
Does the T-6 have a Fischer Pro 1 mold? Not sure if anyone else thinks this.

It does look really similar, even the head guards look the same. Nice catch.

miniRafa386
06-11-2008, 06:13 PM
i may give the t7 a go. it sounds like a decent racquet, a cross between the aeropro drive and the radical.