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fortunecookiesjc
05-31-2008, 08:48 AM
Anyone use it as their doubles stick?
Wondering how it plays in doubles, i havnt personally used it yet in doubles but this thing is really nice baseline, serves, etc

I was considering maybe using one of my I.prestige mids for doubles.

nickb
05-31-2008, 08:51 AM
I dont get posts like yours...are you a good doubles player?

The K90 wont volley for you...infact it will make things harder with its small headsize, high weight / SW and small sweet spot. Its also very hard to serve with (again high SW).

Do you use different rackets for doubles and singles? :shock:

fortunecookiesjc
05-31-2008, 08:57 AM
I mostly use k90 as singles was considering of using it for my doubles match but everything you just listed was what i was thinking.

Weight is actually no problem, its actually kinda light for me.

nickb
05-31-2008, 08:59 AM
Stick with the same racket for doubles and singles...switching rackets does not help your game...I have never (ever) seen a high level player use a different racket for dubs.

fortunecookiesjc
05-31-2008, 09:01 AM
good point, thanks nick.

In)SpiRe
05-31-2008, 09:04 AM
The k90 does well for serves and volleys. Dont see why it would do well in doubles. Unless its too demanding for you.

fortunecookiesjc
05-31-2008, 09:08 AM
Its not demanding for me at all. I think it could use more weight

TonyB
05-31-2008, 09:10 AM
I think the biggest problem is that the "best" singles racquets do not make good doubles racquets. That is, the qualities that good doubles players look for in a racquet are different than those for a singles player.

At the pro level, you rarely (if ever) see a doubles player do well in singles. Part of it is due to the fact that they just don't practice singles as much, but another part of it is the equipment.

Most doubles players use midplus or larger head sizes strung at fairly low tensions. The power that you need for quick reaction volleys and putaways is much more than singles players prefer. In doubles there are a lot of low, flat, controlled shots and a lot of short-backswing power volleys that you just don't see often in singles.

You see singles and doubles specialists now where you didn't see as much of that pre-1995 or so.

All that being said, I use the same racquet for singles and doubles, the Yonex RDS 001 mid (90). Even though I may frame a reaction volley here and there, the benefit of using the same racquet all the time far outweighs any gain that I might see in going to a larger head size. So, to answer your question, if you use the K90 for singles, I would also use it for doubles.

In)SpiRe
05-31-2008, 09:31 AM
Its not demanding for me at all. I think it could use more weight

Yea, I wasn't implying that at all. I was just simply stating that it would do well for those who can use it, and not so well for people who can't.

nickb
05-31-2008, 10:46 AM
I think the biggest problem is that the "best" singles racquets do not make good doubles racquets. That is, the qualities that good doubles players look for in a racquet are different than those for a singles player.

At the pro level, you rarely (if ever) see a doubles player do well in singles. Part of it is due to the fact that they just don't practice singles as much, but another part of it is the equipment.

Most doubles players use midplus or larger head sizes strung at fairly low tensions. The power that you need for quick reaction volleys and putaways is much more than singles players prefer. In doubles there are a lot of low, flat, controlled shots and a lot of short-backswing power volleys that you just don't see often in singles.

You see singles and doubles specialists now where you didn't see as much of that pre-1995 or so.

All that being said, I use the same racquet for singles and doubles, the Yonex RDS 001 mid (90). Even though I may frame a reaction volley here and there, the benefit of using the same racquet all the time far outweighs any gain that I might see in going to a larger head size. So, to answer your question, if you use the K90 for singles, I would also use it for doubles.

Nope...none of it has anything to do with the equipment. You see doubles players using full ALU at high tension, gut at low tension and everything in between. Saying that they lose singles matches because of rackets and string tension is a bit dumb...they lose because they are better at doubles...cough..which I guess is why they play doubles.

crash1929
05-31-2008, 10:47 AM
Man i struggle with this issue too! glad to know I'm not the only one. To give you an idea my fav doubles raquet is the babolat pd+ and my fav singles raquet is the ncode90.

tony how do you know dubs players string at lower tensions, how much lower? Never heard this before.

TonyB
05-31-2008, 11:37 AM
Nope...none of it has anything to do with the equipment. You see doubles players using full ALU at high tension, gut at low tension and everything in between. Saying that they lose singles matches because of rackets and string tension is a bit dumb...they lose because they are better at doubles...cough..which I guess is why they play doubles.


I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Equipment is a big part of a doubles team's success at the pro level, which is specifically what I was talking about.

The quick reaction time virtually REQUIRES you to use a larger head size. I don't think there's even one single doubles player out there using a 90 sq. in. racquet at the higher levels. Fact is I don't see any doubles players using 90 sq. in. racquets at ANY level. The only reason I do because I've been using 90 sq. in. frames forever and anything larger tends to feel like a trampoline to me.

nickb
05-31-2008, 12:49 PM
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Equipment is a big part of a doubles team's success at the pro level, which is specifically what I was talking about.

The quick reaction time virtually REQUIRES you to use a larger head size. I don't think there's even one single doubles player out there using a 90 sq. in. racquet at the higher levels. Fact is I don't see any doubles players using 90 sq. in. racquets at ANY level. The only reason I do because I've been using 90 sq. in. frames forever and anything larger tends to feel like a trampoline to me.

No its not. Talent is. A racket does not hit the ball for you.

Saying that doubles players win matches because of rackets is just well..stupid...its hard work, practice, match play and more hard work. Doubles players use pure drives, singles players use pure drives. If anything them using larger head sizes should make singles easier. Racket choice is personal but a good player can use anything. I dont see many 90s on the singles tour....

feyya
05-31-2008, 12:56 PM
No its not. Talent is. A racket does not hit the ball for you.

Saying that doubles players win matches because of rackets is just well..stupid...its hard work, practice, match play and more hard work. Doubles players use pure drives, singles players use pure drives. If anything them using larger head sizes should make singles easier. Racket choice is personal but a good player can use anything. I dont see many 90s on the singles tour....

uh, hello people. Why the heck would you switch rackets from doubles to singles? You pick one racket, stick with it, doubles or singles.

soggyramen
05-31-2008, 01:51 PM
i used the prostaff tour 90 for a few doubles matches and besides the weight i played great with it. no problems volleying or anything.

TonyB
05-31-2008, 02:05 PM
No its not. Talent is. A racket does not hit the ball for you.

Saying that doubles players win matches because of rackets is just well..stupid...its hard work, practice, match play and more hard work. Doubles players use pure drives, singles players use pure drives. If anything them using larger head sizes should make singles easier. Racket choice is personal but a good player can use anything. I dont see many 90s on the singles tour....


Ok, I'm sorry, you're right. It's all talent. Equipment means nothing.

Then please tell me why pros aren't using Gamma Big Bubbas?

BullDogTennis
05-31-2008, 02:25 PM
i wouldnt be switchin sticks. especially one that plays as differnt as the K90

Bubba
05-31-2008, 02:45 PM
Ok, I'm sorry, you're right. It's all talent. Equipment means nothing.

Then please tell me why pros aren't using Gamma Big Bubbas?

Equipment is A factor... it's just not THE factor. Form, conditioning, and related are more responsible for an effective swing and execution than the frame. If you can't effectively execute ground strokes or volleys, it doesn't matter what frame you use.

Further, if you play against good competition e.g. 5.0 or above, then you better have your strokes grooved and your feet moving or else you will have a very short match.

TonyB
05-31-2008, 03:11 PM
Equipment is A factor... it's just not THE factor.


I'm pretty sure you're not implying that I said equipment was THE factor, but this is EXACTLY what I said:


Part of it is due to the fact that they just don't practice singles as much, but another part of it is the equipment.


And besides, this topic isn't meant to answer the question about whether or not a simple racquet switch will make you Roger Federer. It is meant to answer whether or not a small frame can be effective for doubles. To which I replied "YES" it can. However, it is probably not the OPTIMAL frame for doubles, as indicated by the generally larger head sizes used by doubles specialists in today's game. Nobody (especially me) ever said that you didn't need to have good form, an effective stroke execution, or good volleys.

And I guarantee you that if you put K90s into the hands of the Bryan brothers, they AIN'T winning any Grand Slam titles. Their equipment selection is crucial to their games and styles of play. To say that any pro can win with any frame is just being stupid.

fortunecookiesjc
05-31-2008, 03:22 PM
Lol i didnt want this to turn into like a huge arguments just wondering if people have sucess with k90 in doubles too.

nickb
05-31-2008, 11:53 PM
Ok, I'm sorry, you're right. It's all talent. Equipment means nothing.

Then please tell me why pros aren't using Gamma Big Bubbas?

I knew your posts would get childish..

fortunecookiesjc
06-01-2008, 04:22 AM
Well, you guys are both right, I'll stick to my K90 today than