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deme08
06-04-2008, 12:49 PM
What is the single most important factor about Federer that contributes to his dominance in tennis for the last 4 years (and counting) ?

Obviously the real answer would be the combination of various factors that formulate Federer's success. But if you had to choose one factor just for the sake of interest, what do you think it is?

The poll is added for fun and feel free to express your thoughts.:)

daddy
06-04-2008, 12:52 PM
he had it all. The talent, the shotmaking, the serve, backhand, forehand, volleys. Yet he never delivered.

Until he got it together in his head and managed to mentaly overpower his peers as well as newcomers. If I have to chose one thing, I would be unable to. If i was to say how did he did it - he simply built such a dominant and calm on court persona which enabled him to deploy all his talent ( backed up with hard work and commitment to tennis ).

I was going to be short but thats impossible when yu're talking about Federer's qualities.

drakulie
06-04-2008, 12:53 PM
^^^ What he said, but I will also add his court coverage, and ability to turn defense into offense.

sureshs
06-04-2008, 12:54 PM
OP asked for a single factor.

It is his eyesight.

nikdom
06-04-2008, 12:56 PM
His mental strength and focus.

Nadal's mental strength is easy to see because his game is so physical and he's not shy of emoting on the court. But Roger's ability to shut out negative thoughts and produce his best when he needs it most is not as appreciated because he makes it look easy and I think is the hallmark of his dominance.

A really good example of this are his 3 aces from 0-40 down in the early part of the 5th at Wimby last year (finals against Nadal).

sureshs
06-04-2008, 12:57 PM
None of you are heeding the single factor request.

zagor
06-04-2008, 12:57 PM
Luck,weak draws and opponents choking if I were to listen to some great tennis minds in this forum but in my opinion most important factors would be forehand(the best ever,no one comes close IMO),smooth efortless movement and his anticipation and court sense(he always seems like he is always in the right place at the right time like he can read his opponents moves) and of course his mental fortitude which is neccesary to be able to dominate the game to this extent.

Gemini
06-04-2008, 12:57 PM
Single most important factor? He's the most complete player to date to play the game. All aspects of his game are well above average and he has no "real" weaknesses.

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
06-04-2008, 12:58 PM
Single most important factor aside from what daddy mentioned would be his improved fitness and consistency that has given him the ability to remain healthy, especially at the bigger events. Having Mirka in his corner has proven even more beneficial.

sureshs
06-04-2008, 12:58 PM
Single most important factor? He's the most complete player to date to play the game. Everything he does is above average and he has no "real" weakness.

"Complete" is a collection of multiple factors.

fastdunn
06-04-2008, 12:58 PM
fundamental of tennis hasn't changed much. if we must pick one, it's his forehand (or maybe serve. it's very close 2nd).

he obviously has unreal forehand but his serve is important too. not many people can make a dent on his service game. The impotance of his serve will increase as time go by since young up and comers are catching up in ground stroke departments. Longevity of Federer's dominance from now hinges critically on his serves, IMHO.

tennis has not changed much: Graf had the best forehand in history and also darn good serve. Sampras had the best serve in history and also great forehand.

LafayetteHitter
06-04-2008, 12:59 PM
The ability to believe he can win no matter how down he might be.

daddy
06-04-2008, 01:00 PM
Single most important factor aside from what daddy mentioned would be his improved fitness and consistency that has given him the ability to remain healthy, especially at the bigger events. Having Mirka in his corner has proven even more beneficial.

Agreed, but this has a lot to do with the reason I mentioned - he built a dominant and very calm on court perona enabling him to use whatever else weapons he has ( that leads to effortless play and consistancy ). And there are a lot of those as we all know.

zagor
06-04-2008, 01:00 PM
None of you are heeding the single factor request.

It's hard to do that when we talk about Federer.Probably his forehand if I had to chose as it is the best ever IMO.

skiracer55
06-04-2008, 01:01 PM
...it's his eyesight, which is phenomenal. Not only does he have incredible visual acuity, he has a better ability than any of the competition to see everything that's going on...

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
06-04-2008, 01:02 PM
There's a poll now and Andy Roddick is an option? :shock:

If it would be any player it would be Nadal, not the pride of America. :roll:

sureshs
06-04-2008, 01:03 PM
Eyesight is right

BreakPoint
06-04-2008, 01:03 PM
You left out his one-handed backhand in your poll. :mrgreen: :eek: :wink:

daddy
06-04-2008, 01:04 PM
Eyesight is right

He always had it but he needed to grow mentally in order to put it to use.

nikdom
06-04-2008, 01:06 PM
He's also been called the "Perfect Storm" of tennis achievement - a lot of things came together to make him what he is: huge talent, athleticism, mental strength, hard work, good people around him (family, early mentors), and the precedent set by Agassi.

Yes, I said it here first. I think the way Agassi turned his tennis life around in his second incarnation as a player has molded the way Roger thinks. From taking his fitness seriously, to creating a foundation early on to aiming for lasting till the age of 35, I see an imprint of Agassi's lessons permeating Roger's consciousness as a player.

He's all business and takes keeps his off-court affairs simple and centered around his life as a tennis champion. Undoubtedly, this is partly his nature and part lesson from all the champs before him that did not fully realize their potential because of diversions like fame and women.

obow
06-04-2008, 01:06 PM
^^^ What he said, but I will also add his court coverage, and ability to turn defense into offense.


I agree with draklie, Fed's biggest asset is his quick reaction and swift footwork.

BreakPoint
06-04-2008, 01:07 PM
None of you are heeding the single factor request.
Because he forgot to put 1HBH on his poll. :)

But it's also his movement and ability to go from defense to offense in a split second.

Defcon
06-04-2008, 01:07 PM
Balance.

In all his strokes, in his footwork, in his on court demeanor and his personal life. The ability to find stillness and calm and stay balanced in the toughest moments and strokes.

It all sounds very zen-ish and mystical but then Fed does have that air about him.

deme08
06-04-2008, 01:10 PM
There's a poll now and Andy Roddick is an option? :shock:

If it would be any player it would be Nadal, not the pride of America. :roll:

:)as I said some part of the poll is just for fun. I guess Roddick is a good example of how the majority of players on tour were dominated by Federer.

Nadal does not contributes to Fed's dominance, in fact he is only obstacle to Fed's total dominance.

deme08
06-04-2008, 01:11 PM
Because he forgot to put 1HBH on his poll. :)


Damn, forgot about that one, would've been a great option:twisted:

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
06-04-2008, 01:14 PM
:)as I said some part of the poll is just for fun. I guess Roddick is a good example of how the majority of players on tour were dominated by Federer.
Nadal does not contributes to Fed's dominance, in fact he is only obstacle to Fed's total dominance.

I disagree with that because he's the one single player that has forced Federer to get better, especially off that backhand wing. This has proved to be bad news for the rest of the tour in terms of him maintaining and building on his high level of play throughout the seasons.

Gemini
06-04-2008, 01:16 PM
"Complete" is a collection of multiple factors.

His "completeness" is a singular factor. You may be looking for the word "aspect".

Ok..let's call it his ability to adapt to whatever situation's put in front of him on court.

sureshs
06-04-2008, 01:17 PM
His "completeness" is a singular factor. You may be looking for the word "aspect".

I don't think so.

deme08
06-04-2008, 01:23 PM
I disagree with that because he's the one single player that has forced Federer to get better, especially off that backhand wing. This has proved to be bad news for the rest of the tour in terms of him maintaining and building on his high level of play throughout the seasons.

That is true in the sense he forces Federer to continue working on his game on clay especially the backhand but overall, Nadal has been stopping Federer from winning the French therefore restraining Federer from absolute dominance.

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
06-04-2008, 01:28 PM
That is true in the sense he forces Federer to continue working on his game on clay especially the backhand but overall, Nadal has been stopping Federer from winning the French therefore restraining Federer from absolute dominance.

Despite those losses in Paris, Federer has continued to add more to his game in hopes to beat Nadal on that stage. All those addititons to his game will help in down the road on the grass and hard court season. But you're right, Nadal just keeps rising the bar on his favorite surface, keeping that G.O.A.T title from Roger's legacy.

deme08
06-04-2008, 01:56 PM
Nadal just keeps rising the bar on his favorite surface, keeping that G.O.A.T title from Roger's legacy.

Good point, people often overlook the fact that Nadal is also improving on clay (especially this year, no one has ever been as dominate on the surface) and constantly rising the bar each year. Even if Federer's improved game is good enough to beat Nadal of 05/06, it may not be enough against the 2008 Nadal. I guess we will see soon. I hope Fed proves me wrong:twisted:

sureshs
06-04-2008, 02:06 PM
Good point, people often overlook the fact that Nadal is also improving on clay (especially this year, no one has ever been as dominate on the surface) and constantly rising the bar each year. Even if Federer's improved game is good enough to beat Nadal of 05/06, it may not be enough against the 2008 Nadal. I guess we will see soon. I hope Fed proves me wrong:twisted:

Just saw an analysis on that on Tennis Week. Federer is being pushed and is getting better and better, specially on the backhand, but Nadal keeps getting better too, specially his serve and general sense of the game. Unfortunately, age is not on Federer's side in this catch-up game.

Look for Nadal to win Wimbledon this year.

dh003i
06-04-2008, 02:14 PM
Just saw an analysis on that on Tennis Week. Federer is being pushed and is getting better and better, specially on the backhand, but Nadal keeps getting better too, specially his serve and general sense of the game. Unfortunately, age is not on Federer's side in this catch-up game.

Look for Nadal to win Wimbledon this year.

Some of Nadal's fans can be so arrogant. First, it's "Nadal can't lose the FO", then this. Federer is assuredly the prohibitive favorite heading into Wimbledon. His greatness on grass is only equalled by Borg, and exceeded by Sampras in some ways (7 Wimbledons total, but not 5 straight).

To be sure, Nadal's getting better, and is younger. But some of his fans continue to ignore that even if he's younger than Federer, it's very likely his career will be significantly shorter. He is unfortunately very injury-prone. This is due to his style of play. That's just a fact. Federer, on the other hand, is hardly ever injured.

I predict that Nadal will retire or be a non-factor at the FO before Federer becomes a non-factor at the FO.

sureshs
06-04-2008, 02:28 PM
Some of Nadal's fans can be so arrogant. First, it's "Nadal can't lose the FO", then this. Federer is assuredly the prohibitive favorite heading into Wimbledon. His greatness on grass is only equalled by Borg, and exceeded by Sampras in some ways (7 Wimbledons total, but not 5 straight).

To be sure, Nadal's getting better, and is younger. But some of his fans continue to ignore that even if he's younger than Federer, it's very likely his career will be significantly shorter. He is unfortunately very injury-prone. This is due to his style of play. That's just a fact. Federer, on the other hand, is hardly ever injured.

I predict that Nadal will retire or be a non-factor at the FO before Federer becomes a non-factor at the FO.

Everyone's been predicting the end of Nadal because his 1-dimensional high-energy game will cause injuries. Hasn't happened yet. Instead, he is getting better on clay and has been in two Wimbledon finals.

I predict an easy win for Nadal now, followed by an upset of Federer by Roddick or Djokovic in Wimbledon, followed by a Nadal win again.

Got hold of the Inside Tennis mag June issue yesterday. They are saying the "unthinkable" can be thought of now: Federer may not win any more Slams.

dh003i
06-04-2008, 02:42 PM
Everyone's been predicting the end of Nadal because his 1-dimensional high-energy game will cause injuries. Hasn't happened yet. Instead, he is getting better on clay and has been in two Wimbledon finals.

Where have you been? He has been injured quite often. When he hasn't been injured, he's been quasi-injured.

I predict an easy win for Nadal now, followed by an upset of Federer by Roddick or Djokovic in Wimbledon, followed by a Nadal win again.

Laughable.

Got hold of the Inside Tennis mag June issue yesterday. They are saying the "unthinkable" can be thought of now: Federer may not win any more Slams.

Mindless chatter. The guy who just got to his 16th straight semi-final isn't going to win any more slams? Laughable.

Federer will probably still be winning slams after Nadal has retired.

drakulie
06-04-2008, 02:49 PM
Everyone's been predicting the end of Nadal because his 1-dimensional high-energy game will cause injuries.

Where have you been the last 3 years??? Every year, Nadal is burned out by the end of the year, and nursing some sort of injury. This year, the unthinkable happened when he lost to JCF on clay because of blisters. It is well documented he is having problems with the archs of his feet, and knee problems.

dh003i
06-04-2008, 02:59 PM
Where have you been the last 3 years??? Every year, Nadal is burned out by the end of the year, and nursing some sort of injury. This year, the unthinkable happened when he lost to JCF on clay because of blisters. It is well documented he is having problems with the archs of his feet, and knee problems.

What, you come with facts? Sureshes is immune to facts. He has belief and fantasy.

It's too bad that Nadal is so injury-prone. Part of it is just the style of his game, without which he wouldn't be so dominant on clay. But I think he could do some things to shorten up the points while still being as dominant. He could also drop some tournaments from his schedule, manage his schedule a little bit better.

In short, while Federer has a great team around him, I'm not sure I'd say the same of Nadal. Apparently, no-one thought to tell him it would be a bad idea to play as much as he did this clay-court season.

Nadal_Freak
06-04-2008, 03:06 PM
Where have you been the last 3 years??? Every year, Nadal is burned out by the end of the year, and nursing some sort of injury. This year, the unthinkable happened when he lost to JCF on clay because of blisters. It is well documented he is having problems with the archs of his feet, and knee problems.
Yes blisters will be the downfall of Nadal. :rolleyes: Nadal is just fine. No signs of any real injury that isn't healing in a long time. Since the US Open, no signs. Calling him really injury prone yet not having signs of an injury in 9 months makes your case flawed.

Peaches
06-04-2008, 03:11 PM
what? I'm shocked! I'm the only who voted Roddick??? This makes no sense to me at all 8-)

drakulie
06-04-2008, 03:17 PM
He could also drop some tournaments from his schedule, manage his schedule a little bit better.



I agree. I definitely think he needs to manage his schedule better, and to add>>> stop playing doubles. As for shortening points, he has beefed up his serve over the last few years, and has drastically improved his net game, which has resulted in ending many points quicker. People don't give him enough credit for his net game, which is much better than many other top pros.

Yes blisters will be the downfall of Nadal. :rolleyes: Nadal is just fine. No signs of any real injury that isn't healing in a long time. Since the US Open, no signs. Calling him really injury prone yet not having signs of an injury in 9 months makes your case flawed.

Surprised you don't know much about your favorite player. The guy has had nagging injuries (that don't go away), for several years now.

Shangri La
06-04-2008, 03:20 PM
What, you come with facts? Sureshes is immune to facts. He has belief and fantasy.

It's too bad that Nadal is so injury-prone. Part of it is just the style of his game, without which he wouldn't be so dominant on clay. But I think he could do some things to shorten up the points while still being as dominant. He could also drop some tournaments from his schedule, manage his schedule a little bit better.

In short, while Federer has a great team around him, I'm not sure I'd say the same of Nadal. Apparently, no-one thought to tell him it would be a bad idea to play as much as he did this clay-court season.

But does it matter how prone to injury Nadal is? Bottom line>>>> on clay Nadal is more dominant than ever before, than anyone in the history of the sport. And he has been doing great on grass as well>>>> that's what matters

Nadal_Freak
06-04-2008, 03:21 PM
I agree. I definitely think he needs to manage his schedule better, and to add>>> stop playing doubles. As for shortening points, he has beefed up his serve over the last few years, and has drastically improved his net game, which has resulted in ending many points quicker. People don't give him enough credit for his net game, which is much better than many other top pros.



Surprised you don't know much about your favorite player. The guy has had nagging injuries (that don't go away), for several years now.
It hasn't been a major issue since the US Open. Nagging but hardly noticeable.

gj011
06-04-2008, 03:28 PM
What is the single most important factor about Federer that contributes to his dominance in tennis for the last 4 years (and counting) ?

Obviously the real answer would be the combination of various factors that formulate Federer's success. But if you had to choose one factor just for the sake of interest, what do you think it is?

The poll is added for fun and feel free to express your thoughts.:)

What are you still counting? One puny title this year so far, is not called dominance. 2004-2007 yes, but still counting no.

vigour
06-04-2008, 03:51 PM
What are you still counting? One puny title this year so far, is not called dominance. 2004-2007 yes, but still counting no.

exactly. i think federer himself has stopped counting, so should his fanboys.

hoodjem
06-04-2008, 03:57 PM
Fed is a Guru, a Sensei, a Nobel prize winner, a Rhodes scholar, a tennis genius like . . .











. . . Bobby Riggs.

hoodjem
06-04-2008, 04:10 PM
Because he forgot to put 1HBH on his poll.
I agree: that never-failing, super-precise, laser-guided backhand that gets him out of trouble so often, that he can always rely on.

Banks
06-04-2008, 04:34 PM
hes intimidating for other people to play against.

tricky
06-04-2008, 04:39 PM
Kinda torn between two things.

He has maybe the greatest transitional game (i.e. his ability to switch between defense and offense) I've ever seen. He's perhaps the only top player where his signature shot has a "warmup" time, and yet we don't necessarily view it as a hindrance to his chances of winning. That speaks to a phenomenal transitional game whereby he can manage the ups and down of his own game, and take away the ability of his opponent to dictate play. It's an aggressive style by virtue of using his defense to force the other player to hit him shots that he can tee off of.

The other thing is Federer was one of the first players to move away from the deep and heavy North-South style of tennis of the 90s into a very aggressive lateral game where he'd hit a lot of wide short balls to gain control of the center of the court. The difference between him and, say, Agassi is that once Federer had the center of the court, and the game would be over in one or two more shots. His use of slice and his improving use of 1H BH were all geared toward his lateral game, both of which were unusual approaches to point construction. The one thing that struck a lot of fans early on was that Federer would hit certain shots that you'd expect opponents to take on the offense. But they wouldn't; they couldn't.

ACE of Hearts
06-04-2008, 04:41 PM
I would say forehand, serve and something that alwas gets overlooked, his fitness.This guy is always fit.

Gugafan
06-04-2008, 05:31 PM
The other thing is Federer was one of the first players to move away from the deep and heavy North-South style of tennis of the 90s into a very aggressive lateral game where he'd hit a lot of wide short balls to gain control of the center of the court. The difference between him and, say, Agassi is that once Federer had the center of the court, and the game would be over in one or two more shots. His use of slice and his improving use of 1H BH were all geared toward his lateral game, both of which were unusual approaches to point construction. The one thing that struck a lot of fans early on was that Federer would hit certain shots that you'd expect opponents to take on the offense. But they wouldn't; they couldn't.

Yes, definitely agree with you. The Federer backhand slice return, around the service box area has almost become a phenomenan. It really bites and keeps low and is often angled out wide, luring opponents into the net.

Federer's balance is what really impresses me though. For instance James Blake has the speed to get to balls, but not the balance or poise to turn defense into attack like Federer can.

jmsx521
06-04-2008, 05:39 PM
When Federer walks on the court, he carries himself just like... just like Djokovic makes the impression of him: Very confidently! I think that's the difference. I suggest you all try it: It's been working for me well too.

sillymonkey
06-04-2008, 06:12 PM
well I'm glad I'm not the only one who voted for Mirka.
Somebody's got to wash his drawers!

Gemini
06-05-2008, 04:56 AM
I don't think so.

That's ok... I know so.:)

veroniquem
06-05-2008, 05:12 AM
What are you still counting? One puny title this year so far, is not called dominance. 2004-2007 yes, but still counting no.
Still counting because he's still #1 and by a comfortable margin to boot. As long as he holds that spot, people will keep counting his weeks of dominance and rightly so. (and I think everyone on this board can testify here that I'm not even a Fed fan)

daddy
06-05-2008, 05:41 AM
Still counting because he's still #1 and by a comfortable margin to boot. As long as he holds that spot, people will keep counting his weeks of dominance and rightly so. (and I think everyone on this board can testify here that I'm not even a Fed fan)

In a sense 2008 is not the year we should count. Estoril title only, no slams so far and probably not here either, no dominant Federer display to date this year. Yes he is number one, but lets be honest, not this year. He can also lose the rank asap if he does not do a regular 2nd part of the season ( by his standards which we all know are very very high ).

To be honest to the bone, he seems to have recovered from a slump he was in for months and his form is better as the matches go by. At this point in time, no one can rule him out of preforming as good as usually in the rest of the Masters/Slams until the end of the year.

veroniquem
06-05-2008, 06:16 AM
In a sense 2008 is not the year we should count. Estoril title only, no slams so far and probably not here either, no dominant Federer display to date this year. Yes he is number one, but lets be honest, not this year. He can also lose the rank asap if he does not do a regular 2nd part of the season ( by his standards which we all know are very very high ).

To be honest to the bone, he seems to have recovered from a slump he was in for months and his form is better as the matches go by. At this point in time, no one can rule him out of preforming as good as usually in the rest of the Masters/Slams until the end of the year.
Exactly, I think he has recovered, that's why I say, wait until he loses his #1 spot to announce his demise. Until then, it's premature. We have to wait and see.

LuckyR
06-05-2008, 09:49 AM
The poll is missing one of the two reasons for Feds GOAT results.

Clearly he has the dominant game, stroke-wise. No question there.

However, his stature record-wise has caused him to catch most players nowhere near their best, mentally. They are psyched out before they leave the hotel and tend to fold against him. Pretty easy for him, really.

gj011
06-05-2008, 09:55 AM
Still counting because he's still #1 and by a comfortable margin to boot. As long as he holds that spot, people will keep counting his weeks of dominance and rightly so. (and I think everyone on this board can testify here that I'm not even a Fed fan)

This year he is not dominating. I think nobody could dispute this. So this year so far, should not count. Being the best player and #1 is different from dominating and winning almost everything.

And not, I am not announcing his demise. Far from that.

tricky
06-05-2008, 09:57 AM
They are psyched out before they leave the hotel and tend to fold against him. Pretty easy for him, really.Yeah, but that is also the nature of his play. Federer tries to take away your weapons by forcing you to play short, wide angles and constantly varying the spin, height and pace of your shot. That is part of why his transition game is so good. Once he takes away your game plan against him, it's a wipeout.

Where Federer isn't as good (and of course true for everybody else too) is when he's trying to shoot his way out of deficits. When you see him go big early in points, that suggests he's either frustrated or fatigued. He doesn't really like to go strength against strength, or go into a "who can hit bigger" style play. Implicitly, it's less about him imposing his strengths on you and more about him exploiting your weaknesses.

To a degree, he has also been successful with doing this to Nadal on clay. Nadal plays his worst (i.e. makes more errors) against Federer, where even his FH generates a surprisingly high number of errors. And you often see Nadal play tentative (even showing nerves) through the first set. But, what Nadal does really well to Federer is lull him into trading shots with him, which takes Federer out of his gameplan. And that advantage goes to Nadal.

rommil
06-05-2008, 10:06 AM
I would vote for Federer's hair. Everything in his game revolves around it lol.

NamRanger
06-05-2008, 10:07 AM
What, you come with facts? Sureshes is immune to facts. He has belief and fantasy.

It's too bad that Nadal is so injury-prone. Part of it is just the style of his game, without which he wouldn't be so dominant on clay. But I think he could do some things to shorten up the points while still being as dominant. He could also drop some tournaments from his schedule, manage his schedule a little bit better.

In short, while Federer has a great team around him, I'm not sure I'd say the same of Nadal. Apparently, no-one thought to tell him it would be a bad idea to play as much as he did this clay-court season.


Nadal has no choice but to play that much clay court tennis if he wants to be #1. It is his best surface, but the ATP chooses to shaft him for NCAA Basketball, pretty much destroying his chances of ever reaching the #1 status. He has improved results on HC and Grass, and is one of the only few players who has multiple Master Titles on multiple surfaces. But, he has to dominate Clay so that he can limit the amount of points Federer can take.

LafayetteHitter
06-05-2008, 10:08 AM
I think Fed's advantage is that he gets pedicures weekly and it helps his footwork.

deme08
06-05-2008, 10:13 AM
I would vote for Federer's hair. Everything in his game revolves around it lol.

Haha, for those whos superstitious, Federer should grow back his long hair of 2003/2004. He volleys much more back then and his backhand was a lot more solid as well.

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fastdunn
06-05-2008, 03:35 PM
Yeah, but that is also the nature of his play. Federer tries to take away your weapons by forcing you to play short, wide angles and constantly varying the spin, height and pace of your shot. That is part of why his transition game is so good. Once he takes away your game plan against him, it's a wipeout.

Where Federer isn't as good (and of course true for everybody else too) is when he's trying to shoot his way out of deficits. When you see him go big early in points, that suggests he's either frustrated or fatigued. He doesn't really like to go strength against strength, or go into a "who can hit bigger" style play. Implicitly, it's less about him imposing his strengths on you and more about him exploiting your weaknesses.


This is why I always thought Federer has Santoro's game. Federer just has much more conventional tools and hits bigger.

MasterBruceTennis
06-05-2008, 03:50 PM
what is the single most important Federer's weakness in Clay?

Nadal_Freak
06-05-2008, 03:51 PM
what is the single most important Federer's weakness in Clay?
Obvious. High one-hand backhand. Nadal will torture him once again this year. :p

king of swing
06-05-2008, 03:52 PM
haha... Andy Roddick. That was pretty tempting but i put down his footwork. Deff. with out it he wouldn't be able to hit those unbelievable shots

BNK
06-05-2008, 04:05 PM
The man simply is a tennis genius with all-court game backed up by his incredible footwork, blazing forehand, accurate serve, great one-handed backhand and volleys.

The turning point of his start of domination was the way he matured and became calm, Bjorn Borg style.

Kudos to his competition too though who can step it up a notch i.e. Rafa

MasterBruceTennis
06-05-2008, 04:50 PM
What is the single most important factor about Federer that contributes to his dominance in tennis for the last 4 years (and counting) ?

Obviously the real answer would be the combination of various factors that formulate Federer's success. But if you had to choose one factor just for the sake of interest, what do you think it is?

The poll is added for fun and feel free to express your thoughts.:)

He always had it but he needed to grow mentally in order to put it to use.

"Movie making in his mind"......

sillymonkey
06-05-2008, 05:00 PM
I think Fed's advantage is that he gets pedicures weekly and it helps his footwork.

...ooh la la...

Vision84
06-05-2008, 06:33 PM
Why is pro staff 85 an option? He uses a 90inch racket. I thought that was common knowledge on this board...

carlos djackal
06-05-2008, 08:50 PM
I'd Say His Mental Game Is Just Way Above The Other Players, Except Against Nadal And Now Probabaly Djoker On Clay......,

Lendl and Federer Fan
06-05-2008, 08:53 PM
Pure talent...:)

SempreSami
06-05-2008, 09:11 PM
Must be something in the clothes Nike make exclusively for him.

Solat
06-05-2008, 09:17 PM
can i vote for his defensive skills? he is so understated in the way he doesn't allow his opponent to dominate him

tennis_hand
06-05-2008, 09:25 PM
BS thread. <10char>

deme08
06-05-2008, 11:19 PM
This is why I always thought Federer has Santoro's game. Federer just has much more conventional tools and hits bigger.

Theres is big difference between Santoro's unorthodox game and Federer's transition game. Santoro's strength is disrupting opponents rhythm with his unorthodox style and great defense, thats all he is capable of. Federer on the other hand, while "forcing you to play short, wide angles and constantly varying the spin, height and pace of your shot" with great defense skills he can attack at any point and finished off instead of waiting for you to make a mistake.

deme08
06-05-2008, 11:28 PM
Nadal has no choice but to play that much clay court tennis if he wants to be #1. It is his best surface, but the ATP chooses to shaft him for NCAA Basketball, pretty much destroying his chances of ever reaching the #1 status. He has improved results on HC and Grass, and is one of the only few players who has multiple Master Titles on multiple surfaces. But, he has to dominate Clay so that he can limit the amount of points Federer can take.

I do hope he could become #1 some stage in his career, even for a short while. He much deserves it. His best chance is this year although he will need to do very well in the US Open season and defend his Wimbledon points.

msc886
06-05-2008, 11:58 PM
The thing is he can't dominate for this long based on one thing. He has a combination of all the things bar the stupid ones like weak competition, Andy roddick etc

superman1
06-06-2008, 12:20 AM
I think it's just his mental strength that holds everything together. "Tennis Genius" implies that he's some kind of a strategic wizard, which isn't the case. He's actually not all that great at strategy. It's his mental strength that allows him to hone all of his different talents into one big terminating machine.

Leublu tennis
06-06-2008, 01:37 AM
His hair? He grooms it all the time between points. Sorry, I could not vote because there was no "other" choice.

deme08
06-06-2008, 01:47 AM
The thing is he can't dominate for this long based on one thing. He has a combination of all the things bar the stupid ones like weak competition, Andy roddick etc

Thats exactly what I said in the OP if you were bothered to read it. And as stupid as weak competition sounds, 10 people have actually voted for it so far. Fetching out all the haters:twisted:

deme08
06-06-2008, 01:50 AM
His hair? He grooms it all the time between points. Sorry, I could not vote because there was no "other" choice.

Sorry forgot to include "other" as an option. But as I said in the op feeling free to express your thoughts the poll is just fun. Unless you really think its his hair...:)

armsty
06-06-2008, 02:32 AM
Thread title is a separate question to the poll.
The single most important factor that contributes to Federer's Dominance. There is no single thing, it is all of his abilities, and absolutely zero luck. Hard work paying off and such.
The most important factor that contributes to Federer's dominance Definately footwork, allows him to react quicker and is the most important thing I feel to a great tennis player.

bhallic24
06-06-2008, 03:24 AM
Thread title is a separate question to the poll.
The single most important factor that contributes to Federer's Dominance. There is no single thing, it is all of his abilities, and absolutely zero luck. Hard work paying off and such.
The most important factor that contributes to Federer's dominance Definately footwork, allows him to react quicker and is the most important thing I feel to a great tennis player.

Good points. I think also, when you get to a point where you're so good and gifted and well-practiced, there are many points a casual observer would pass off as "lucky", like oh that's just luck, he can't do that again. But in reality its all due to ages of hard work and dedication and sacrifice that people don't see behind closed doors.

AT this point, I'm starting to think that Roger Federer is just some robot sent to earth that plays tennis and theres this fat videogame crazed kid munching on caramel candy bars in the background controlling him while he plays (like in a VirtuaTennis 3 brought to life kinda deal). I mean some of the things he does is just not human. And the most shocking to me is not his forehand or footwork or genius or any of the aforelisted in the poll. Its the fact that this guy just doesn't sweat! WHAT THE HELL? I mean I got outside and run for 5 minutes in 80 degree weather and I'm lathered in sweat like a juicy turkey in your oven.

bhallic24
06-06-2008, 03:35 AM
Who voted for Mirka? Ha, she's probably a main reason against his dominance. She's a distraction and she probably gave him mono which has slowed him down for the past year and a half.

raiden031
06-06-2008, 03:59 AM
Raw talent....if not for his raw talent, he wouldn't be so good at every aspect of the game.

deme08
06-06-2008, 06:41 AM
Who voted for Mirka? Ha, she's probably a main reason against his dominance. She's a distraction and she probably gave him mono which has slowed him down for the past year and a half.

Main reason against his dominance? You are deluded. Totally the opposite in fact, Mirka who has a nice and stable relationship with Federer (for the past how many years?) is exactly what he needs to achieve greatness in tennis. His results speak for themselves. Imaging Federer with some blonde playboy type girl would he still have 12 slams? Think Philipousis and Safin.

MasterBruceTennis
06-06-2008, 10:31 AM
Thread title is a separate question to the poll.
The single most important factor that contributes to Federer's Dominance. There is no single thing, it is all of his abilities, and absolutely zero luck. Hard work paying off and such.
The most important factor that contributes to Federer's dominance Definately footwork, allows him to react quicker and is the most important thing I feel to a great tennis player.

Fed's footwork takes him to the final. But, Nadal's footwork makes him stop there--on clay. I believe if Fed wants to win FO against Nadal on clay, he must 'seat' his knees lower to firm his balance--like Kung Fu training--like Bjorn Borg and Agassi did. Or, perhaps he could change his shoes! That is the Fed's most important weakness on clay.
What do you guys think?

bhallic24
06-06-2008, 10:42 AM
Fed's footwork takes him to the final. But, Nadal's footwork makes him stop there--on clay. I believe if Fed wants to win FO against Nadal on clay, he must 'seat' his knees lower to firm his balance--like Kung Fu training--like Bjorn Borg and Agassi did. Or, perhaps he could change his shoes! That is the Fed's most important weakness on clay.
What do you guys think?

yea his footing on clay is suspect. He's just not that aggressive. You can't play on clay pretending to be a ballerina, you gotta dig down and deep like Nadal. I mean you watch Nadal when he's chasing after a ball or rushing to a ball, he looks like an NFL RB with his head down, hands tucked in. With Roger its like he's taking his good old time in the park on a Sunday afternoon.

Maybe some ankle braces would help? I dunno, but he isn't being as aggressive as he needs to be, too upright, too statuesque, too Wimbeldonish. GEt down and dirty and you'll capture your first French!, although his volley game today didn't seem like it was deserving of even leaving the 2nd round.

I think aside from his footwork, which is major on clay, he's got to get a more aggressive backhand. A flatter, heavier more punishing backhand or Nadals just gonna go to that all day long and milk it. And also he's got to mix in some good volley play and really make that a big strength in his game. Nadal is playing so far back on clay that if Fed can sometimes mix it up, come into the net and put points away by opening up those wide angles during his net play it will be a major boon.

The way he played today didn't seem very encouraging for his chances this year. HE was an error machine, missing on his serves, sloppy forhands at times, and horrendous horrendous net play. He looked like a fish out of water up there at the net, but we'll see how the chips fall on sunday. Still gotta play the game right?

Philcoa
06-06-2008, 10:42 AM
Federer's a great player but apart from Nadal on clay and maybe Djokovic in recent times when everything is right for him, Federer's opposition has been really weak with the likes of Roddick (three times), Bagdhatis, Hewitt offering nothing but token opposition in his finals. Federer seldom had to face anyone of the caliber of McEnroe, Borg, Vilas, Connors, Lendl, Edberg, Wilander, Becker, Chang, Stich, Agassi at his best, Courier, Sampras, Bruguera, Kuerten, Courier, Kafelnikov or Rafter so he's had a really cushy ride so far.