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nickb
06-05-2008, 12:47 PM
Players (outside this board LOL) really need to be educated on rackets and strings...most players I have come across (both in league matches, stringing and coaching) dont have a clue about equipment and in some cases it is negatively affecting their games. Here are some comments I got/have heard in the last month:

- Player using 250g racket picks up my 350 gram head light racket and says..."wow this thing is light...how do you use it"...I reply that most of the weight is in the handle but they dont understand.
- Player using 250g HH racket comments on how my racket feels like a hammer...I go on to explain that its just heavier than their racket but most of the weight is at the handle...they dont understand.
- Player using a PD OS asks for 50lbs string tension because they " have a control racket and string for power".
- Complete beginner using Volkl T10 VE Mid asks for 65+ tension because the racket is too powerful :shock:
- People think strings break because of bad stringing (even when they last 3 years).
- People laugh when you say your strings only last 6 hours...they say "stringer error".
-Guy I know picked up an O3 Silver because a shop owner told him the more expensive the racket is the better the graphite is. :shock:
- Beginner buys K90 because fed uses it.
- Beginner asks for more control and his stringer (not me!) puts in full poly at over 60lbs.

I could go on and on...

I just feel bad when I see 15 year olds using 120sqin rackets and hitting the fences, old people with bad arms using full poly, beginners using K90s, people not even demoing stuff and shop owners/strings reccomending the wrong stuff to innocent people.

You can also look at my recent "I have a customer using full poly at 70 and he has tennis elbow" thread.

People sometimes seem reluctant to listen to those that know best...i.e me..the stringer, racket salesman and tennis nut!

I guess this is more of a rant...

Thoughts?

Nick

jazar
06-05-2008, 12:53 PM
totally agree. when i'm not at uni i work selling rackets and some people's lack of knowledge is shocking. they generally think the opposite of what the truth is. the majority of the time i spend with customers is educating them and correcting their misconceptions

nickb
06-05-2008, 01:00 PM
totally agree. when i'm not at uni i work selling rackets and some people's lack of knowledge is shocking. they generally think the opposite of what the truth is. the majority of the time i spend with customers is educating them and correcting their misconceptions

Its funny how some people just wont listen though isnt it?

Older people seem to be worst.

I guess all we can do is try our best to explain and then it is up to them. Its like smoking...we can go on about the dangers all day long..but do people stop..no.

VGP
06-05-2008, 01:11 PM
That's all well and good and knowing about gear is great, but when someone that:

- doesn't care about gear
- uses "substandard" gear
- picks up any old demo
- obviously carries a plethora of different frames in their bag of widely varied specs and stringing
- uses a wooden racket
- uses a broom, shovel, or frying pan

....kicks your arse, you'll be humbled.

nickb
06-05-2008, 01:15 PM
That's all well and good and knowing about gear is great, but when someone that:

- doesn't care about gear
- uses "substandard" gear
- picks up any old demo
- obviously carries a plethora of different frames in their bag of widely varied specs and stringing
- uses a wooden racket
- uses a broom, shovel, or frying pan

....kicks your arse, you'll be humbled.

Oh I have been beaten many times by 5.0 + players who dont care and use anything that has strings in.

Im talking about the players that should care because its affecting their games in a negative way or they have tennis elbow because of the strings/racket or they think the racket is powerful and its not etc. Mostly lower level players really. Also pro shops, stores and stringers need to be better educated because they can injure people giving bad advice.

Nick

VGP
06-05-2008, 01:28 PM
Point taken....

Well, if I recall and you state in your original post that you're a stringer, racket salesman, and tennis nut, all you can do is keep yourself accurately informed and try and pass that knowledge onto others.

Whether or not people are willing to listen, that's obviously another story and I guess the point of your thread.

I guess it's all in the delivery.

nickb
06-05-2008, 01:30 PM
Point taken....

Well, if I recall and you state in your original post that you're a stringer, racket salesman, and tennis nut, all you can do is keep yourself accurately informed and try and pass that knowledge onto others.

Whether or not people are willing to listen, that's obviously another story and I guess the point of your thread.

I guess it's all in the delivery.

Yeah...I mean alot of people will listen and take the advice but a small number just refuse or think they know best...I guess it applies to everyday life....people do what they want (even if its not the right thing to do).

It just interests me!

Nick

Nellie
06-05-2008, 01:31 PM
They question is how much do you want to educate people who do not want your advice. No one beleives that lesser strings have more power :(

nickb
06-05-2008, 01:32 PM
They question is how much do you want to educate people who do not want your advice. No one beleives that lesser strings have more power :(

I only give advice if people ask for it, are paying me to string rackets or are buying a racket from me.

I dont go around shouting at people playing tennis!

Nick

jazar
06-05-2008, 01:41 PM
I dont go around shouting at people playing tennis!


i like to tell everyone i meet, even those not interested in tennis

nickb
06-05-2008, 01:44 PM
i like to tell everyone i meet, even those not interested in tennis

^LOL.

10 char

goober
06-05-2008, 01:59 PM
i like to tell everyone i meet, even those not interested in tennis

"Hey baby, you come around here often? I can hook you up with lux big banger for 15 dollah, no joke. It feel like heaven for at least 2 hours I promise!"

SLLLAAAPPP!!!

Pro_Tour_630
06-05-2008, 01:59 PM
Not some players lack of knowledge but Pro players lack of knowledge as well to a certain extent.

nick, fact is you know more about strings etc... than ATP and WTA pros,

there are some folks here that know more about gear than even ATP and WTA players. They know how to play, we are geeks.........

what amazes me is that some here know so much about gear that forumers relate your knowledge with how well you play. You do not have to be a top 100 player to know your stuff.

nickb
06-05-2008, 02:03 PM
Not some players lack of knowledge but Pro players lack of knowledge as well to a certain extent.

nick, fact is you know more about strings etc... than ATP and WTA pros,

there are some folks here that know more about gear than even ATP and WTA players. They know how to play, we are geeks.........

what amazes me is that some here know so much about gear that forumers relate your knowledge with how well you play. You do not have to be a top 100 player to know your stuff.

Yeah...good point...a good stringer does not have to be a good tennis player...just like the best coaches are not always the best players.

I string for ATP players...they take my advice and listen to every word I say..its nice to be listened to and respected by such good players!

Nick

Pleepers
06-05-2008, 02:09 PM
For most of those players who are playing with racquets/strings that are totaly not in their best interest...its simply because they either don't care enough to learn about equipment or they don't think that the equipment has much of an impact on their game.

I figure: don't get frustrated with the ignorant--just laugh at their stupidity (life's too short) :)

goober
06-05-2008, 02:11 PM
I must hang out with a lot of gear head club players. We all string our own racquets, we are into specs and talk about something related to gear or stringing every time to meet. Now if we could only improve our actual tennis playing skills:x

fortunecookiesjc
06-05-2008, 02:17 PM
A lot of people ask me why I use so many of the same racquets.

Though Ive just begun getting very serious about tennis team always ask me why use such a small headsize racquet.

Caloi
06-05-2008, 02:21 PM
Well, for some of us tennis was just something else to do, be it in P.E. or something my brother and I could do during summer break. We'd play with whatever was in the garage and I couldn't tell you what they were 25 years ago.

Now, I'm putting a lot of time into tennis, trying to improve, and have realized the n5 my brother gave my last winter isn't the right racqet for me so I ordered a Dunlop M-Fil 200 16X19. I was clueless but a nice gentleman from the boards and the leader of the local league I'm in called to talk about racquets. After our discussion and doing a lot of reading I was able to make a much more educated decision.

I've fly fished since I was 6, 30 years now. I can tell you every spec of pretty much every fly rod produced in the last 20 years. However, I don't ridicule the kid down at the park pond because he's fishing for blue gill with a 12 wt rod. I encourage him by offering some of my flies that may be working that day. I also don't ridicule the people that come to the river dressed freshly from the fly shop with every gadget the shop owner could sell them and watch as they can't cast a fly more than the length of their rod.

Sure I enjoy talking fishing and rods and gear with fellow fisherman, and even the people that get out to fish twice a year using stuff you'd never find in my closet. But who am I to say they are using the wrong gear?

If they ask me for advice I'd gladly give it to them. If they didn't want to listen to me or find that spending $600 on a fly rod, let alone $600 for a 3wt, 4wt, and a 5wt rod to round out the collection is a bit overkill, well, so be it.

I'd rather see people out on the rivers, fishing per the regulations, knowing they've just helped fund the Colorado Fish and Game, than see them not fish because the gear their grandfather gave them isn't really helping them cast 90 feet of fly line.

I also like to talk about tennis since I've become fairly obsessed with it in the last couple years. However, to read your post makes me a little uneasy. Just because I don't know every spec about the popular racquets doesn't make me any more ingorant than you not knowing the exact taper and action of a 7' 9" Granger bamboo fly rod. Or that it was significantly different than the 8' rod that came out the next year.


Don't feel sorry for:
15 year olds using 120sqin rackets and hitting the fences, old people with bad arms using full poly, beginners using K90s

because maybe to them they are having a blast and it's just about the experience of being out there. Heck, my 6 year old son said just being on a tennis court was one of the coolest things he'd done.

If the above mentioned people ask for a correction, then lead them down the path to the tennis utopia. Until then, let them have some fun. Really, it's just hitting a ball back and forth across a net, right?

swedechris
06-05-2008, 02:24 PM
good to hear that there are some others also feeling bit of this thing .. man , some guys are so out of tune with what is a rackets strengths and /or weaknesses.

and i do also find that it is pretty hard to make those who have ideas of their own, to really listen and understand,it does
seem they think they will look stupid and lose face.

but it is worth the 'fight ' , to see a well deserved smile on patient and trusting racketswinger after doing some modifications suited to the particular strokes and play of that 'racket patient' in question .. is a nice gratification.:)

nickb
06-05-2008, 02:28 PM
Well, for some of us tennis was just something else to do, be it in P.E. or something my brother and I could do during summer break. We'd play with whatever was in the garage and I couldn't tell you what they were 25 years ago.

Now, I'm putting a lot of time into tennis, trying to improve, and have realized the n5 my brother gave my last winter isn't the right racqet for me so I ordered a Dunlop M-Fil 200 16X19. I was clueless but a nice gentleman from the boards and the leader of the local league I'm in called to talk about racquets. After our discussion and doing a lot of reading I was able to make a much more educated decision.

I've fly fished since I was 6, 30 years now. I can tell you every spec of pretty much every fly rod produced in the last 20 years. However, I don't ridicule the kid down at the park pond because he's fishing for blue gill with a 12 wt rod. I encourage him by offering some of my flies that may be working that day. I also don't ridicule the people that come to the river dressed freshly from the fly shop with every gadget the shop owner could sell them and watch as they can't cast a fly more than the length of their rod.

Sure I enjoy talking fishing and rods and gear with fellow fisherman, and even the people that get out to fish twice a year using stuff you'd never find in my closet. But who am I to say they are using the wrong gear?

If they ask me for advice I'd gladly give it to them. If they didn't want to listen to me or find that spending $600 on a fly rod, let alone $600 for a 3wt, 4wt, and a 5wt rod to round out the collection is a bit overkill, well, so be it.

I'd rather see people out on the rivers, fishing per the regulations, knowing they've just helped fund the Colorado Fish and Game, than see them not fish because the gear their grandfather gave them isn't really helping them cast 90 feet of fly line.

I also like to talk about tennis since I've become fairly obsessed with it in the last couple years. However, to read your post makes me a little uneasy. Just because I don't know every spec about the popular racquets doesn't make me any more ingorant than you not knowing the exact taper and action of a 7' 9" Granger bamboo fly rod. Or that it was significantly different than the 8' rod that came out the next year.


Don't feel sorry for:


because maybe to them they are having a blast and it's just about the experience of being out there. Heck, my 6 year old son said just being on a tennis court was one of the coolest things he'd done.

If the above mentioned people ask for a correction, then lead them down the path to the tennis utopia. Until then, let them have some fun. Really, it's just hitting a ball back and forth across a net, right?

I think you have taken my post the wrong way...I dont think everybody has the wrong gear...I am mostly talking about people that complain they are hitting long, have tennis elbow, want to take their game to the next level etc.

Im a tennis coach. I know playing tennis is about hitting the ball and having fun. I just dont like it when people are given bad advice. Im sorry my post made you "uneasy".

I think you need to lighten up a bit...my post was just to start a discussion on a topic that I find very interesting...I dont go around telling people what to do...I coach tennis, play tennis, string rackets and help people when they need help. Words like "ridicule" only confirm that you got the wrong end of the stick here.

My point is people should be given better info at the tennis shop and from the racket companies. I am a big supporter of companies like vantage who help the customer pick something that is right for them and give the correct advice.

EDIT: Also I find the whole fly fishing thing in a tennis thread very strange!

nickb
06-05-2008, 02:30 PM
good to hear that there are some others also feeling bit of this thing .. man , some guys are so out of tune with what is a rackets strengths and /or weaknesses.

and i do also find that it is pretty hard to make those who have ideas of their own, to really listen and understand,it does
seem they think they will look stupid and lose face.

but it is worth the 'fight ' , to see a well deserved smile on patient and trusting racketswinger after doing some modifications suited to the particular strokes and play of that 'racket patient' in question .. is a nice gratification.:)

Yeah...good post...I know what you mean...its nice to get a customer come back saying my stringjob got rid of tennis elbow or played great....some people are very out of tune I agree.

Nick

Pro_Tour_630
06-05-2008, 02:41 PM
I think you have taken my post the wrong way...I dont think everybody has the wrong gear...I am mostly talking about people that complain they are hitting long, have tennis elbow, want to take their game to the next level etc.

Im a tennis coach. I know playing tennis is about hitting the ball and having fun. I just dont like it when people are given bad advice. Im sorry my post made you "uneasy".

I think you need to lighten up a bit...my post was just to start a discussion on a topic that I find very interesting...I dont go around telling people what to do...I coach tennis, play tennis, string rackets and help people when they need help. Words like "ridicule" only confirm that you got the wrong end of the stick here.

My point is people should be given better info at the tennis shop and from the racket companies. I am a big supporter of companies like vantage who help the customer pick something that is right for them and give the correct advice.
do not mind Tom, he mistook the TT forum for the FF forum :)

nickb
06-05-2008, 02:42 PM
do not mind Tom, he mistook the TT forum for the FF forum :)

LOL...seems that way :p

fortunecookiesjc
06-05-2008, 02:42 PM
I used to have such huge arguments with this one kid i play with on the team. Telling me that Lighter racquets are all around better than heavier racquets. He uses some prince racquet that weights liek 9.0 oz and argues with me i should use lighter racquets and that my 12oz racquets suck and are not worth playing with

Talking about my k90, 6.1 classic and my 6.0 original 85.

Not many know about Grips and the difference between them. When people ask me what i use they always reply with the udder most confused look " what in the gods name is semi western grip?"
did you just make that up?

ollinger
06-05-2008, 02:45 PM
nick
What else "saddens" you....

nickb
06-05-2008, 02:47 PM
I think most of use on here that use heavier frames will get people picking them up saying "how the hell do you use that..its like a baseball bat"!

BullDogTennis
06-05-2008, 02:47 PM
I used to have such huge arguments with this one kid i play with on the team. Telling me that Lighter racquets are all around better than heavier racquets. He uses some prince racquet that weights liek 9.0 oz and argues with me i should use lighter racquets and that my 12oz racquets suck and are not worth playing with

Talking about my k90, 6.1 classic and my 6.0 original 85.

Not many know about Grips and the difference between them. When people ask me what i use they always reply with the udder most confused look " what in the gods name is semi western grip?"
did you just make that up?

where can i buy that grip? :)

nickb
06-05-2008, 02:48 PM
nick
What else "saddens" you....

Bit random?....

Your posts!

nickb
06-05-2008, 02:49 PM
where can i buy that grip? :)

I remember that thread! Good times :)

dylanm_12
06-05-2008, 02:50 PM
haha ya i have a real uneducated friend at tennis.
My proof that he is uneducated is that he thought my friends K90, the o3 white, and the speedport black.
Kinda confuses me. He made himself look so dumb we he was arguing about the o3 white

herosol
06-05-2008, 03:07 PM
good post. some people just confuse me.
the best one i've heard recently is.

"man this pure drive sure is flexible and comfortable."
-anonymous tennis-elbow stricken player

yeuppp.
But one thing heavier is not always better. Heavy frames are nice, but recently ive come to appreciate lighter ones around 11 oz-11.5 oz

king of swing
06-05-2008, 03:40 PM
I used to have such huge arguments with this one kid i play with on the team. Telling me that Lighter racquets are all around better than heavier racquets. He uses some prince racquet that weights liek 9.0 oz and argues with me i should use lighter racquets and that my 12oz racquets suck and are not worth playing with

Talking about my k90, 6.1 classic and my 6.0 original 85.

Not many know about Grips and the difference between them. When people ask me what i use they always reply with the udder most confused look " what in the gods name is semi western grip?"
did you just make that up?

HAHA, I get that from the guys on my team to. I put some lead tape on my LM rad and everyones like "why did you make it heavier, doesn't that make it worse?" Another kid comes up to me as says, right after I broke my strings "Hey go to Nathan (our string kid on the team) he'll give you hybrid strings!" i said "What you got on yours?" he replies "I don't know, They're Hybrid though!" and he walks off with a self satisfied grin.

Now Honestly, He can whoop me, but still. At least care enough to learn the basics! Oh and my favorite is people ranting over a babolat saying it so amazing and when I ask which one and whats good about it the look at me confused and say. "A BABOLAT, you know its racket dumby!" and look like the just taught me something. :evil: Annoying!

Tennisman912
06-05-2008, 03:42 PM
nickb,

The sad truth is, that most people are just lazy and are not open to new ideas. They think they know and they consider asking or taking advice as making them look unintelligent, which of course is untrue. Human nature makes people want to think they know what they are talking about.

And unfortunately it will never improve and in many instances is actually getting worse. All you can do is try to help when asked and just let the rest pass you by (with a little chuckle under your breath of course). Human nature does not change.

And no I not a pessimist, just realistic.

Good tennis

TM

Kaptain Karl
06-05-2008, 04:29 PM
The Flip Side

Then there are the Tennis Shop owners:

"Biff" was a good Div I player ... ranked in the state ... now a solid 4.5. He knows tennis, and he know the technology. But Biff is in the business for the money, so each and every patron who walks into the store is shown the Top Shelf frames first ... no matter what they really want or need. Only about 30% of Biff's customers are repeat customers. The others realize they got burned and don't go back ... and they warn all their friends about Biff.

"Bob" is a really nice guy who loves tennis so much he decided to get into the business when he was looking for something to do in retirement. Bob doesn't play nearly as much as he did when he didn't own the shop, but he's still in one 3.5 league and he tries his best to stay current on the technology. The problems are ...

a) Bob carries only Wilson, Prince and Babolat frames. About 20% of his prospects want other frames.

b) Being a 3.5, Bob isn't really able to give sound advice on equipment to anyone from mid-varsity on the local HS team ... and up. (But that doesn't stop him from trying....)

"Beth and Bev" were top NCAA players and are both highly ranked in the Open Division in the Region. One of the local shop owners wanted to retire ... and they bought his business from him. They know "just enough to be dangerous" about most frames ... little about strings ... very little about grips ... and nothing about customizing frames for particular playing preferences. But they are really nice and enthusiastic and charge too much for stringing

SOLUTION:

www.tennis-warehouse.com
800 - 883 - 6647

Yea!!!

- KK

2nd_Serve
06-05-2008, 04:41 PM
I have to agree on this. But for me, it doesn't amaze or sadden me...It really ****es me off. I hate how people that don't know anything act like they know everything

anirut
06-05-2008, 05:20 PM
KK,

That's THE LAUGH OF THE DAY!!!

ROFLMAO !!!

timsims
06-05-2008, 06:34 PM
I have to admit that I let this bother me too much. I wish I could just "laugh at their stupidity" but I can't. The beginners and naive players look up to those that have more actual tennis talent and they will listen to what they say or look at the equipment that they use and assume that it's "gospel".

One day in our tennis club, a local 4.5 player who is looked up to by many of our lower level players said, "Anyone who plays with a racquet that weighs more than 11 ounces is an idiot."

Meanwhile, one of our ladies who was stricken so badly with tennis elbow that she was going to stop playing is happily playing, learning, and advancing her game with her Pro Kennex 5G. (How idiotic!)

ODYSSEY Mk.4
06-05-2008, 07:16 PM
Its funny how some people just wont listen though isnt it?

Older people seem to be worst.

I guess all we can do is try our best to explain and then it is up to them. Its like smoking...we can go on about the dangers all day long..but do people stop..no.

i got a guy in his mid fifty who swear the lower the tension the more control and he argues with me every time and it sucks since when something goes wrong... who's the first to blame even though you told them other wise it really.. grinds my gears
but i share your frustration

Caloi
06-05-2008, 07:46 PM
LOL...seems that way :p

Sorry for the rant. I was using something I am passionate about, fly fishing, to draw a similarity to something you are obviously passionate about, tennis. My knowledge of fly fishing is probably at a level of what your tennis knowledge is, that's what I was getting at.

Again, sorry for the long winded fly fishing rant.

In defense of the uneducated folks, since I was uneducated on racquets as recently as last Friday, it really is overwhelming. When I asked for advice regarding the n5 given to me it was pretty quickly dismissed as the wrong racquet for me. WTH did I know? It was farily expensive when purchased new and was free to me. I figured it was a decent racquet.

When I began shopping for a racquet I assumed the $200+ racquets were what I was looking for. Instead I spent $69 here at TW and have a really nice racquet (M-Fil200) that will better suit my game. Most industries and sports you should kind of expect to pay a premium on the gear since new technology comes at a cost to the consumer. Little did I know that I could get a decent racquet for under $70! Imagine doing that with golf clubs?!

Now, I've seen the light, and if someone asked me why they were constantly hitting the ball long and I suggested they get away from the n5 they were playing with since it's a head heavy, light weight racquet and they told me to pee up a rope I'd consider them hard headed. SO, I do see your point.

Again, sorry for going off earlier as I was just trying to form an anology.

Tom

Political Thunder
06-05-2008, 08:36 PM
My rally partners are like that. All use HH OS racquets and im the only one using a HL Mid. They use strings till it breaks ~1-2 years, balls till the felt comes off, etc.

crazytennis
06-05-2008, 08:58 PM
I went to the courts this day and this guy(around 60) was playing there. I had hit with his partner before and we talked for a while. The guy wanted me to string one of his old racquets at 75 because he wanted more power.
I was in a hurry that day and didn't take his racquet and haven't met him since.

itsstephenyo
06-05-2008, 09:12 PM
Worst thing I've seen is an older guy brought a cracked racquet for me to string. This thing was barely even holding together. He kept insisting and hinting that it'd be OK to string. In the end, I just flat out refused to string it.

The thing that annoys me the most is when people really generalize racquets. A friend of mine was getting a new racquet. I asked him which one. He replied, "Oh, a Wilson." Oh, OK. Thanks.That's great information. That's like telling me you drive a Ford. A Ford what?!?! There are several different models. It seems like they all do that. "I use a Head Flexpoint." Flexpoint what?

Snuh
06-05-2008, 10:13 PM
Yeah a lot of people around here think that in order to be a better player you have to get the most expensive racquet you can find. Like those $299 monster racquets. I try to explain those are granny racquets but they dont understand. More expensive is better right? :-?

jazar
06-05-2008, 10:52 PM
the best one is when a couple of people come in together and one of them knows nothing and the other knows nothing, but thinks he knows everything and starts telling his friend about all the rackets. i love listening to what those kind of people say, its complete b***s***.

had this kid and his mum come into the shop one time. kid used a babolat contest lite and was utterly useless, could barely hit the ball and he wanted to have his rackets strung in natural gut. he was just insisting, but i managed to get through to his mum. they left and came back the next day and for some strange reason she bought him a k61 team.

another kid came in with his mum and 2 brothers looking for a racket to play tennis at school. he picked up a k90 and kept on saying he wanted that one and his mum was saying why dont you ask for some help. when he eventually asked me and i told him about the k90 he got all embarrassed and ended up with a much better racket for him in the k61 lite. at least he was receptive to my advice

smO
06-06-2008, 12:36 AM
Worst thing I've seen is an older guy brought a cracked racquet for me to string. This thing was barely even holding together. He kept insisting and hinting that it'd be OK to string. In the end, I just flat out refused to string it.

The thing that annoys me the most is when people really generalize racquets. A friend of mine was getting a new racquet. I asked him which one. He replied, "Oh, a Wilson." Oh, OK. Thanks.That's great information. That's like telling me you drive a Ford. A Ford what?!?! There are several different models. It seems like they all do that. "I use a Head Flexpoint." Flexpoint what?Yea, its annoying. When I asked my friend which one he bought he just said: It's an orange Wilson... And my other friend has played with a Wilson Roger Federer 27 (This is one of those Wal-mart frames)
for a year and I always tell him to get a new one and I show him some cheap 80-100euro frames, and he just says that he won't need that expensive 'cause he just plays once a week.

jmverdugo
06-06-2008, 05:24 AM
Sometimes, ignorance is happiness

Murray_Maniac
06-06-2008, 05:33 AM
The thing that annoys me the most is when people really generalize racquets. A friend of mine was getting a new racquet. I asked him which one. He replied, "Oh, a Wilson." Oh, OK. Thanks.That's great information. That's like telling me you drive a Ford. A Ford what?!?! There are several different models. It seems like they all do that. "I use a Head Flexpoint." Flexpoint what?

Yea I hate that. It reminded me how in another way that I hate generalization. I used to be a fishing freak before I got into tennis and I'd hate it when ppl just say "fish" instead of the species name. You dont go to the zoo and say: "Oh, look at that pretty mammal!". Ppl are so lazy w/ fish naming, but not reptiles and mammals.

Oh yea, and I hate how ppl assume that racquets really range in lengths because of the design. Their all the same size!!!

bad_call
06-06-2008, 05:54 AM
Yea I hate that. It reminded me how in another way that I hate generalization. I used to be a fishing freak before I got into tennis and I'd hate it when ppl just say "fish" instead of the species name. You dont go to the zoo and say: "Oh, look at that pretty mammal!". Ppl are so lazy w/ fish naming, but not reptiles and mammals.

Oh yea, and I hate how ppl assume that racquets really range in lengths because of the design. Their all the same size!!!

racquets do range in length from the jr's size to the extended.

anyway back to the thread: how bout those certain tennis shop salesmen that try to push a racquet model on you (probably cause they have an overstock) without even seeing or talking to you about your game.

Murray_Maniac
06-06-2008, 05:58 AM
racquets do range in length from the jr's size to the extended.

No, I mean like ppl assuming that the Prince tour Diablo is longer than the Pdr only because the throat is longer. But, their both 27''.

nickb
06-06-2008, 06:01 AM
how bout those certain tennis shop salesmen that try to push a racquet model on you (probably cause they have an overstock) without even seeing or talking to you about your game.

Yeah that happens all the time...

I used to work in a pro shop where the manager would try and force us to sell people ncodes because the K Factors are coming in soon or the O3s because the speed ports arrived in a week. I just quit...I got sick of the manager trying to push stuff on people when they didnt want it or need it.


Nick

Djokovicfan4life
06-06-2008, 06:10 AM
- Player using a PD OS asks for 50lbs string tension because they " have a control racket and string for power".




Nick

This one made me laugh pretty hard! :lol:

Agree about the K90 as well, the new hot choice for 3.0 wannabes.

PimpMyGame
06-06-2008, 06:27 AM
I imagine it's pretty tough when asked for advice, only to have that advice ignored.

I talk as a club player who'd quite like to learn to string some day, and also likes to experiment with racket set ups and stuff. Admittedly, most of my knowledge is from the internet, and most of that is from this website.

Anyway, I see many players of varied club standard with the most horrible racket and string combinations suffering from TE, stiffness in the arm etc. In the past I have tried to talk them into trying a more forgiving string or a heavier frame but no-one will listen; after all I'm just some guy at the club.

I have now made a conscious effort for several months not to say anything to anybody, except "try the talk tennis website for some ideas".

On the lol side, a mate of mine turned up recently wielding a W4 he bought cheap. I thought better of saying it was a women's racket, and just as well because he's spanked my *** off court with that thing ever since!

nickb
06-06-2008, 06:54 AM
This one made me laugh pretty hard! :lol:

Agree about the K90 as well, the new hot choice for 3.0 wannabes.

Lol...

Here's another one:

Lask week I played a mixed division 1 match and as usual just turned up with 2 fischers and a towel (we havent lost yet so no need to bring the big tournament bag :)). A kid turned up playing for the opposition with a big K Factor Federer Limited Edition bag full of K90s...as we are stood waiting for the rest of our teams to arrive I say "you dont find that thing too heavy" (he was about 14)...he replys "no its actually too light...I have lead tape on the head"...I picked it up and just smiled passed it back and said "whatever works for you". He played us first (first pair) and we proceeded to win the match 5-0 5-0...I have never ever seen someone struggle as much as he did with the weight of their racket...he just couldnt swing it!

After the match we went into the club house for a drink and he picked up my racket saying...how the hell do you play with that...its so light (my bats are 345 strung). LOL

I actually felt sorry for him...:)

madmanfool
06-06-2008, 06:56 AM
love the stories, great thread

personally i'm still ****ed at the salesperson who sold me a hyper hammer when i was 14 y old. I was totally clueless about equipment at that age. He asked me if i wanted a mid or a midplus. I wanted a midPLUS because i thought you would get a better racket, something extra, you know PLUS. He also told me it would be the best racket of that year, what a joke. A HH extended 250 grams racket. No way should i have been ever sold something like that. It's not like i just started playing tennis, i have been playing since 7.

They never cooperate with you at that store. Recently, my mum brought my racket because the string was broken. I wrote on a paper i wanted 22 kg. Which i know i low, but that's what i asked for. Off course they didn't do it. They put 23 kg on it. So typical. Next time i ask for my money back. I mean i pay a lot for that stringjob. I'm not the one who is clueless, they are.

nickb
06-06-2008, 06:57 AM
good post. some people just confuse me.
the best one i've heard recently is.

"man this pure drive sure is flexible and comfortable."
-anonymous tennis-elbow stricken player

yeuppp.
But one thing heavier is not always better. Heavy frames are nice, but recently ive come to appreciate lighter ones around 11 oz-11.5 oz

I like lighter sticks too...some people play best with light others heavy...its just finding the right equipment for your game...the problem is many players dont do that.

nickb
06-06-2008, 07:06 AM
Sorry for the rant. I was using something I am passionate about, fly fishing, to draw a similarity to something you are obviously passionate about, tennis. My knowledge of fly fishing is probably at a level of what your tennis knowledge is, that's what I was getting at.

Again, sorry for the long winded fly fishing rant.

In defense of the uneducated folks, since I was uneducated on racquets as recently as last Friday, it really is overwhelming. When I asked for advice regarding the n5 given to me it was pretty quickly dismissed as the wrong racquet for me. WTH did I know? It was farily expensive when purchased new and was free to me. I figured it was a decent racquet.

When I began shopping for a racquet I assumed the $200+ racquets were what I was looking for. Instead I spent $69 here at TW and have a really nice racquet (M-Fil200) that will better suit my game. Most industries and sports you should kind of expect to pay a premium on the gear since new technology comes at a cost to the consumer. Little did I know that I could get a decent racquet for under $70! Imagine doing that with golf clubs?!

Now, I've seen the light, and if someone asked me why they were constantly hitting the ball long and I suggested they get away from the n5 they were playing with since it's a head heavy, light weight racquet and they told me to pee up a rope I'd consider them hard headed. SO, I do see your point.

Again, sorry for going off earlier as I was just trying to form an anology.

Tom

No probs!...glad you found a nice racket for such a low price...the m-fils are alot of racket for the money.

Nick

Djokovicfan4life
06-06-2008, 07:18 AM
Lol...

Here's another one:

Lask week I played a mixed division 1 match and as usual just turned up with 2 fischers and a towel (we havent lost yet so no need to bring the big tournament bag :)). A kid turned up playing for the opposition with a big K Factor Federer Limited Edition bag full of K90s...as we are stood waiting for the rest of our teams to arrive I say "you dont find that thing too heavy" (he was about 14)...he replys "no its actually too light...I have lead tape on the head"...I picked it up and just smiled passed it back and said "whatever works for you". He played us first (first pair) and we proceeded to win the match 5-0 5-0...I have never ever seen someone struggle as much as he did with the weight of their racket...he just couldnt swing it!

After the match we went into the club house for a drink and he picked up my racket saying...how the hell do you play with that...its so light (my bats are 345 strung). LOL

I actually felt sorry for him...:)

Haha, that's pretty funny.

Just found another hidden gem from the review section (Babolat PHT):

"Here's the deal with these type of strings. Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power is good for a softer feeling with power. This string, however, is much better for the crisp feeling you get when you brush the ball, and it has much more spin. If you hit with spin, this is the string for you. If you hit flat, Luxilon is for you."

OK, whatever you want to think there, Scooter.

feyya
06-06-2008, 07:52 AM
NickB, i can tell that your back to your good natured, kind self. Glad to have you back! :)

feyya
06-06-2008, 07:55 AM
Lol...

Here's another one:

Lask week I played a mixed division 1 match and as usual just turned up with 2 fischers and a towel (we havent lost yet so no need to bring the big tournament bag :)). A kid turned up playing for the opposition with a big K Factor Federer Limited Edition bag full of K90s...as we are stood waiting for the rest of our teams to arrive I say "you dont find that thing too heavy" (he was about 14)...he replys "no its actually too light...I have lead tape on the head"...I picked it up and just smiled passed it back and said "whatever works for you". He played us first (first pair) and we proceeded to win the match 5-0 5-0...I have never ever seen someone struggle as much as he did with the weight of their racket...he just couldnt swing it!

After the match we went into the club house for a drink and he picked up my racket saying...how the hell do you play with that...its so light (my bats are 345 strung). LOL

I actually felt sorry for him...:)

A kid near me named Kyle, wont post his last name for confidential reasons, is a 3.5 player with a K90 with 2 OUNCES MORE of lead. LOL

Passingshot
06-06-2008, 10:22 AM
I had a club pro try and basically sell my every prince racket he had in stock from the diablo tour to the speed port silver. no joke. Then my friend said he was looking for a bag, and the guy tried to sell him a 6 pack for like $70, so I told my friend just look on tennis warehouse you can find alot of good bags cheep there. The guy then proceded to tell us that you cant just ordred from tw you need to be a member. so then I informed that you can just ordred becuase ive done it before and that made him mad, but still tried to sell me rackets.

nickb
06-06-2008, 11:47 AM
NickB, i can tell that your back to your good natured, kind self. Glad to have you back! :)

Lol...I have been in a bad mood :)

Nick

nickb
06-06-2008, 11:48 AM
A kid near me named Kyle, wont post his last name for confidential reasons, is a 3.5 player with a K90 with 2 OUNCES MORE of lead. LOL

Haha...poor kid!

raiden031
06-06-2008, 11:51 AM
I would rather encounter someone who has no knowledge of racquets than someone who knows alot about racquets but blames their racquet for poor performance when it is their game that sucks.

nickb
06-06-2008, 11:55 AM
I would rather encounter someone who has no knowledge of racquets than someone who knows alot about racquets but blames their racquet for poor performance when it is their game that sucks.

Id rather encounter someone who has game and knows about rackets..

I dont really know anyone (including me) that blames rackets for poor performance...

feyya
06-06-2008, 11:56 AM
Lol...I have been in a bad mood :)

Nick

Its cool were all still bros. :)

Mansewerz
06-06-2008, 01:18 PM
haha ya i have a real uneducated friend at tennis.
My proof that he is uneducated is that he thought my friends K90, the o3 white, and the speedport black.
Kinda confuses me. He made himself look so dumb we he was arguing about the o3 white

Dude, i didn't understand what you just said. What about the K90, O3 white, and speedport black?

Lol...

Here's another one:

Lask week I played a mixed division 1 match and as usual just turned up with 2 fischers and a towel (we havent lost yet so no need to bring the big tournament bag :)). A kid turned up playing for the opposition with a big K Factor Federer Limited Edition bag full of K90s...as we are stood waiting for the rest of our teams to arrive I say "you dont find that thing too heavy" (he was about 14)...he replys "no its actually too light...I have lead tape on the head"...I picked it up and just smiled passed it back and said "whatever works for you". He played us first (first pair) and we proceeded to win the match 5-0 5-0...I have never ever seen someone struggle as much as he did with the weight of their racket...he just couldnt swing it!

After the match we went into the club house for a drink and he picked up my racket saying...how the hell do you play with that...its so light (my bats are 345 strung). LOL

I actually felt sorry for him...:)

I feel bad for him. I on the other hand have my 9 pack bag. People are like "why do you have such a big bag?"

I'm like "I have 3 rackets, shoes, balls, clothes, water, and some other stuff. Need a way to carry it all." Plus I like the backpack straps. And the damn thing was only $25. My friend got a 3 pack for $33!

Id rather encounter someone who has game and knows about rackets..

I dont really know anyone (including me) that blames rackets for poor performance...

LOL, I only do that when I'm not using my own racket. :D


On my team, I'm the guy that knows like the most about rackets and strings. I don't even know that much compared to many other guys on here. But I just know the basics. One guy said his shoulder was hurting. I said "Stop using a pro redcode syn gut hybrid at 60 lbs on a PDR."

That thing is a stiff racket with stiff strings at a stiff tension. Still many people don't listen. I can't stand it.

1012007
06-06-2008, 02:04 PM
He cant say on here.

Nick

I won't say on here:)

Nick, im not 100% sure yet but would it be possible to maybe demo your M Speed Fischer and maybe the Npro Open? Just a thought, not sure yet though!

nickb
06-06-2008, 02:06 PM
I won't say on here:)

Nick, im not 100% sure yet but would it be possible to maybe demo your M Speed Fischer and maybe the Npro Open? Just a thought, not sure yet though!

I would but I dont have either...I sold them about 2 months ago.

Sorry.

Kaptain Karl
06-06-2008, 02:06 PM
... I told my friend just look on tennis warehouse you can find alot of good bags cheep there.As much as I promote TW -- which is quite a bit -- it is "bush league" to go into a Store or Pro Shop and recommend patrons go to TW. That is not cool.

- KK

king of swing
06-06-2008, 02:11 PM
As much as I promote TW -- which is quite a bit -- it is "bush league" to go into a Store or Pro Shop and recommend patrons go to TW. That is not cool.

- KK

Yeah but what of the pro shop that tries to sell you K90's for 400 each and a 6 pack for a hundred bucks? I'm all for supporting to the local pro shop, but if they are blatantly trying to sell you crap and bad deals then, screw them is my humble opinion.

1012007
06-06-2008, 02:16 PM
LOL Nick did you see A. Murray on...

Jonathan Ross:):)

He cant have a conversation for more than 10 words. Just as well he is a tennis player as all he needs to say is "come on"

iplaybetter
06-06-2008, 02:21 PM
i can not agree more nick, i to am constantly amazed at what people think they know

Steve Huff
06-06-2008, 07:37 PM
Nick, you left out the most common misinformed statement--"I need more power, so string it tighter."

xsuper
06-06-2008, 09:09 PM
Players (outside this board LOL) really need to be educated on rackets and strings...most players I have come across (both in league matches, stringing and coaching) dont have a clue about equipment and in some cases it is negatively affecting their games. Here are some comments I got/have heard in the last month:

- Player using 250g racket picks up my 350 gram head light racket and says..."wow this thing is light...how do you use it"...I reply that most of the weight is in the handle but they dont understand.
- Player using 250g HH racket comments on how my racket feels like a hammer...I go on to explain that its just heavier than their racket but most of the weight is at the handle...they dont understand.
- Player using a PD OS asks for 50lbs string tension because they " have a control racket and string for power".
- Complete beginner using Volkl T10 VE Mid asks for 65+ tension because the racket is too powerful :shock:
- People think strings break because of bad stringing (even when they last 3 years).
- People laugh when you say your strings only last 6 hours...they say "stringer error".
-Guy I know picked up an O3 Silver because a shop owner told him the more expensive the racket is the better the graphite is. :shock:
- Beginner buys K90 because fed uses it.
- Beginner asks for more control and his stringer (not me!) puts in full poly at over 60lbs.

I could go on and on...

I just feel bad when I see 15 year olds using 120sqin rackets and hitting the fences, old people with bad arms using full poly, beginners using K90s, people not even demoing stuff and shop owners/strings reccomending the wrong stuff to innocent people.

You can also look at my recent "I have a customer using full poly at 70 and he has tennis elbow" thread.

People sometimes seem reluctant to listen to those that know best...i.e me..the stringer, racket salesman and tennis nut!

I guess this is more of a rant...

Thoughts?

Nick

IMO, there's nothing wrong with that, a heavy racket will help one swing better, instead of irratically. and with the prostaff line, beginners will learn to feel and ball on the strings, and know exactly where on the string bed they hit.
I wish I bought my PS85 in my beginner years..

AJK1
06-06-2008, 09:50 PM
I sometimes chuckle to myself when i read the strange methods some people use to apply lead tape or sinkers or coins to their frames.

kelz
06-07-2008, 02:14 AM
...

- People laugh when you say your strings only last 6 hours...they say "stringer error".
-Guy I know picked up an O3 Silver because a shop owner told him the more expensive the racket is the better the graphite is. :shock:
- Beginner buys K90 because fed uses it.
- Beginner asks for more control and his stringer (not me!) puts in full poly at over 60lbs.

...

Nick

i think that's the majority of casual players

nickb
06-07-2008, 05:27 AM
IMO, there's nothing wrong with that, a heavy racket will help one swing better, instead of irratically. and with the prostaff line, beginners will learn to feel and ball on the strings, and know exactly where on the string bed they hit.
I wish I bought my PS85 in my beginner years..

I have to disagree with you...a heavy racket is fine...but as a coach I would not reccomend a midsize 90 head to a beginner. I wish I HAD NOT used the PS85 when I started playing then moved onto other mids...I feel they robbed me of power all that time and made me inconsistent...beginners will not enjoy the game if the racket makes it harder than it should be...which pro's use the PS85? NONE...so a beginner should not be using it.

nickb
06-07-2008, 05:30 AM
Nick, you left out the most common misinformed statement--"I need more power, so string it tighter."

Lol...I have heard that one a few times!

nickb
06-07-2008, 05:32 AM
LOL Nick did you see A. Murray on...

Jonathan Ross:):)

He cant have a conversation for more than 10 words. Just as well he is a tennis player as all he needs to say is "come on"

Yeah watched it...he seemed pretty dumb and I know what you mean...he couldnt keep the conversation going...very boring!

Mansewerz
06-07-2008, 11:12 AM
I have to disagree with you...a heavy racket is fine...but as a coach I would not reccomend a midsize 90 head to a beginner. I wish I HAD NOT used the PS85 when I started playing then moved onto other mids...I feel they robbed me of power all that time and made me inconsistent...beginners will not enjoy the game if the racket makes it harder than it should be...which pro's use the PS85? NONE...so a beginner should not be using it.

However, i've heard of players starting out with wood or mids because it helped teach a full stroke and to hit in the center. Not sure if those were higher powered though.

nickb
06-07-2008, 11:21 AM
However, i've heard of players starting out with wood or mids because it helped teach a full stroke and to hit in the center. Not sure if those were higher powered though.

Im sure they have...I just wouldnt reccomend it with todays game of power hitting, topspin and baseline bashing. If someone wants to do it then thats fine...I have seen people give up tennis within a year of starting because they were not improving...they dont need a racket thats holding them back on top of that. I think mids are great...I love playing with them. I might even go back to them myself at some point but playing against 5.0+ players I just cant get away with using them.

Nick

tennis_guy
06-07-2008, 11:55 AM
I sometimes wish I didn't know anything about tennis equipment. It's cost me a lot of money and time really.

nickb
06-07-2008, 12:13 PM
Same here...I just love trying different rackets and strings..

I re-strung my own rackets over 200 times last year :shock:

Mansewerz
06-07-2008, 02:22 PM
Im sure they have...I just wouldnt reccomend it with todays game of power hitting, topspin and baseline bashing. If someone wants to do it then thats fine...I have seen people give up tennis within a year of starting because they were not improving...they dont need a racket thats holding them back on top of that. I think mids are great...I love playing with them. I might even go back to them myself at some point but playing against 5.0+ players I just cant get away with using them.

Nick

I see. Would it be a good idea though to get someone started on like an 11 oz midplus instead of those light supersize me racquets?

nickb
06-07-2008, 02:24 PM
I see. Would it be a good idea though to get someone started on like an 11 oz midplus instead of those light supersize me racquets?

Oh yeah they are the perfect specs...anything from 95-105 and 10.5 oz to 12oz is great...I think they are the perfect specs for a beginner...I will always reccomend heavier MP sticks to guys becuase they wont notice the weight.

Nick

Mansewerz
06-07-2008, 02:47 PM
Oh yeah they are the perfect specs...anything from 95-105 and 10.5 oz to 12oz is great...I think they are the perfect specs for a beginner...I will always reccomend heavier MP sticks to guys becuase they wont notice the weight.

Nick

Yea, I have a little 5 year old sister and was thinking about letting her borrow my Fischer Pro number 1 to learn on. Perhaps I'll let her learn on my ntour 95. it's a lot lighter and I decided earlier to not let her use the fischer because she'd get tired fast.

nickb
06-07-2008, 02:51 PM
Yea, I have a little 5 year old sister and was thinking about letting her borrow my Fischer Pro number 1 to learn on. Perhaps I'll let her learn on my ntour 95. it's a lot lighter and I decided earlier to not let her use the fischer because she'd get tired fast.

Your sister should be using a 21inch racket..dont let her use any full size racket...it will take her arm off! Only some 12 (and up) year olds should be using adult size...Also make sure she plays with sponge balls...

0-4: 19"
4-6: 21"
7-8: 23"
9-10: 25"
10-12: 26"
12 up: adult size

Nick

sandyCX
06-07-2008, 02:52 PM
I would rather encounter someone who has no knowledge of racquets than someone who knows alot about racquets but blames their racquet for poor performance when it is their game that sucks.

The worst are the ones who know only a little bit but think they know it all. They're just too opinionated for their own good. Of course there are the ones who ask you a million questions only to not listen to you. Best thing to do with them I've experienced is, give them what they want. Most of the time they know what they want before they step into the shop anyway. Don't know why they bother asking any questions.

chess9
06-07-2008, 03:57 PM
This forum is the best place on the net to learn about all aspects of tennis. And it's FREE. I figure I've learned about $100,000 worth of tennis material on this site.

It's hard not to buy from TT, when you owe them so much. :)

-Robert

goober
06-07-2008, 06:07 PM
Your sister should be using a 21inch racket..dont let her use any full size racket...it will take her arm off! Only some 12 (and up) year olds should be using adult size...Also make sure she plays with sponge balls...

0-4: 19"
4-6: 21"
7-8: 23"
9-10: 25"
10-12: 26"
12 up: adult size

Nick

I would actually go by height. Too much variation in size just going by age. I would also not even bother with 19" racquets. Kids will grow out of them too fast and they can handle a 21" no problem.

Racquet
Length Height
21" under 3'10"
23" 3'11" to 4.5"
25" 4'6" to 4'11"
26" 4'6" to 4'11"
27" 5' or taller

Just my two bits.

Mansewerz
06-07-2008, 06:34 PM
I would actually go by height. Too much variation in size just going by age. I would also not even bother with 19" racquets. Kids will grow out of them too fast and they can handle a 21" no problem.

Racquet
Length Height
21" under 3'10"
23" 3'11" to 4.5"
25" 4'6" to 4'11"
26" 4'6" to 4'11"
27" 5' or taller

Just my two bits.

Yea, my sis is tall for her height and I have a 23" racket that she likes already. Perfect. Also, for the spongy balls, is that meant for kids because it's slower and easier to follow? How about using dead tennis balls?

BTW, Nick, are you like the UK equivalent of a USPTA? You seem very knowledgeable about this.

Passingshot
06-07-2008, 09:42 PM
As much as I promote TW -- which is quite a bit -- it is "bush league" to go into a Store or Pro Shop and recommend patrons go to TW. That is not cool.

- KK

well this was my friend who I dont want to get riped off and the guy was clearly ripping him off and was just trying to make a quick buck of all of us. my tennis coach even later had to tell him to stop trying to sell us stuff becuase it was getting bad. I mean if you recomend rackets from the diablo tour to the speed port silver to one person...you dont care what is best for them. And the tennis shop near us I actualy promote even with its higher prices... mainly becuase the owner is nice and trys to help get you what fits your game...plus I didnt scare away his regular customers I said it to my friend after we left.

nickb
06-08-2008, 03:37 AM
Yea, my sis is tall for her height and I have a 23" racket that she likes already. Perfect. Also, for the spongy balls, is that meant for kids because it's slower and easier to follow? How about using dead tennis balls?

BTW, Nick, are you like the UK equivalent of a USPTA? You seem very knowledgeable about this.

I was just posting what we use in the UK...obviously if a child is smaller or taller then you just use common sense to pick a racket. In response to the above post I think 19in rackets are great....I wouldnt start a kid under 4 on anything else. Sponge balls are slower and easier yes...they bounce just right for the kids so they can have nice rallies and play points. Like orange and green balls they are there to develop technique and make things easier. In the UK we are not allowed to have kids using other balls (than the ones reccomended for the age)...if you use the wrong ball it can land you in big trouble with the LTA. I have the UK equivalent of USPTA yeah. I coach alot now and will be starting full time in about 6 months.

Nick

Bubba
06-08-2008, 06:16 AM
It is a bit sad that so few truly understand their equipment... though this is often what you see in recreational players. BTW, you see this all the time in other sports as well... golf especially.

What I find really odd is that there are competitive players (ATP) that couldn't care less either. I don't understand that if you are trying to make a living at something, you would try to have a BASIC working knowledge and understanding about the equipment that you are using.

goosala
06-08-2008, 08:28 PM
Isn't that the whole point of this message forum...to learn and discuss equipment? We're here to pass on our experiences and knowledge. Of course, no one ever said they had to take it. One of my friends strung Vince Spadea's frames back when he was in college. He did not specify a tension but only required that the Prince "P" logo was on the same side as the P logo on the butt cap. Go figure. My friend strung one of his frames and Vince complained it was too tight. After he left my friend stepped on the strings to loosened them up and the next day Vince Spadea said he liked the tension.

ClubHoUno
06-09-2008, 08:36 AM
I took an absence from tennis from 1997-2006.
Back when I stopped playing tennis, you only had few good poly strings, kevlar was still popular and most pro's used full gut setup.

I started playing golf in late 2001 and immediately became obsessed with golf gear, golf clothing, shaft technology, driver heads, putters, golf bags, golf balls, launch monitors etc.

Now that I still play golf, but has started playing tennis again - I see the same high tech trend in tennis - it's not quite as evolved yet, as in golf, but it's coming on very strong - and I really like this trend.

People really can benefit from being correctly fitted to the tennis and golf gear they use, whether they are at a beginner level, intermediate or advanced level.

I still haven't found the perfect wet weather string hybrid setup for the two rackets I have in my bag for wet weather. I know what to use in dry conditions - full gut hybrid of VS 16 and VS 15L :D

I'm also still experimenting on what rackets to have in my bag - but I feel I'm close to a perfect setup now.
I like to have different rackets for different situations - do I feel my TE or not, are my shots a bit flatter that day, than normal. Do I need a bit more power on my serve.... etc.

I really like to test the new racket technology and the new string technology. More people should do that, because in the long run it will make them better tennis players, I think :D

sureshs
06-09-2008, 08:47 AM
After he left my friend stepped on the strings to loosened them up and the next day Vince Spadea said he liked the tension.

Jelena Jankovic did that in her semifinal FO match when she fetched a new stringjob racquet.

dylanm_12
06-10-2008, 11:16 AM
Dude, i didn't understand what you just said. What about the K90, O3 white, and speedport black?





ha oops i forgot to finish what i meant to say was he thought the speedport black, k90, and o3 white were head heavy

iplaylikeyourgrandma
06-10-2008, 12:14 PM
This is coming from a "USRSA Master's Certified
Racquet Tech". I don't believe him, but maybe I should since he's supposedly a stringing pro?

He says my players racquets from the late 80s early 90s are "worn out" and won't play the same. There are no cracks or damage in any of them. Is this an excuse to not string my racquets? Maybe my racquets are a waste of time for him? I am not sure why he is saying this if it's false and he knows it's false. Maybe he doesn't want the racquets to break while stringing them and have me blame him for breaking the racquet?
Anyone have any ideas?

Should I find another stringer?

Kaptain Karl
06-10-2008, 12:26 PM
This is coming from a "USRSA Master's Certified
Racquet Tech". ... He says my players racquets from the late 80s early 90s are "worn out" and won't play the same. There are no cracks or damage in any of them. Is this an excuse to not string my racquets?With the *little* amount of info you have provided, I am inclined to believe your Stringer.

a) I still believe stringing a frame is the most stressful event ... assuming you are not a frame abuser.

b) Even frames that look good will develop weaknesses from ordinary use. The composite fibers weaken. The bonds between the various materials become stressed. You may not notice it, but the frame is merely a shadow of its former self.

c) Over time the effects of (a) and (b) manifest in a head (or throat) which becomes "noodley". Your racquet isn't nearly the solid Beast you remember. (But you were not able to notice the gradual degradation. Someone like your Stringer can.)

- KK

h7hugo
06-10-2008, 12:26 PM
in my club a guy came in and said that his Metallix 10 were the best racquet ever..... because it were the most expensive racquet in the shop!!!

Freaking idiots!!!! please don't talk about you don't know....

sunnyIce
06-24-2008, 04:40 PM
its most bizarre when the most unexpected person stymies you!
i'v run into a couple of coaches the last 3 months who have absolutely befuddled the living geezes out of me.

there i was playing pretty poorly and whining abt my diablo mid which unfortunately i had strung too tight and got too boardy on me. so i was playing sore and did not enjoy at all.
the coach comes over and tries to talk tennis to me. he picks up my racquet takes a few air swings, looks its over..reads specs ansd stuff...and says oh prince...yeah we used to be sponsored by prince for the last 15 yrs. just last month we moved away to wilson so we will be holding wilson racquets only.

and oh by the way he says, "the reason you are really struggling is your racquet is very very heavy in the head". you should try to get a lighter racquet it will be easier for you to swing.

sunnyIce
06-24-2008, 04:43 PM
and then there was this other (second) coach. who is interesting the coach for a local high school and local womens college team. been actively involved with game for 40 yrs!!!!

i was talking to him abt struggling with topspin. so he looks at my racquet at the time that i was holding (PS Tour 95), looks at the specs..then goes...well its 16x19 thats too tight you know, like a dense pattern. it will be very hard for you to get spin with that.

alritey then.

anirut
06-24-2008, 06:32 PM
^
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Good one!

HoVa
06-24-2008, 08:03 PM
One time, at band camp,

some idiot said to me that my Spongebob Squarepants racquet wasn't as good as his Serena Williams signature racquet.

idiot!

tedmeister
06-25-2008, 12:49 AM
Nick, you left out the most common misinformed statement--"I need more power, so string it tighter."

I get that a lot from the more "advanced" players, in years that is. Maybe because their previous stringers were trained at the "stringers" academy. :) At 3:52 in this video it says a beginner would choose a looser string job for maximum control and that an advanced player would go for a tighter one for greater power.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOXp2gq5Ync&feature=related

I also get coaches/trainers/seasoned players that are so sensitive to stiffness that they can tell just by swinging a demo if a racquet is stiff or not:shock:

DarthCow
06-25-2008, 01:49 AM
Haha whats up with this Wilson ad???
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/hajamoojoo/WILSON_GAME_AD_300X250.gif

Yep. I totally reckon the KZero is the right racquet for me

armsty
06-25-2008, 02:36 AM
My boss/coach uses a KOne, It's such a granny stick.

PimpMyGame
06-25-2008, 02:59 AM
My boss/coach uses a KOne, It's such a granny stick.

Does he use it to coach, play, or both? Reason I ask is because I knew a coach who tooled around with an N4 or something when training kids (took up a lot of his day) then when he went to hit with an advanced 18 year old he got his n90 out of the bag. Guy just didn't want to lump that beast around with him when he was feeding 7 year olds.

jefferson
06-25-2008, 05:41 AM
When I was young I bought my rackets at a local sports store. I picked them solely by the way they looked! I had no idea. Until my first job at a tennis club. I was looking through the wilson catalog and saw a swing meter. describing what rackets are made for what swing. It took a lot for me to intitially by the hammer 5.2, yep the purple one. But once I played with it my game improved immediately. It has been 12 yrs since then and I have been paying a lot of attention to specs and strings etc.

Josherer
06-25-2008, 05:57 AM
I Agree.. People's Advice Is Horrible Just To Make A Sale. :(

Necroblood
06-25-2008, 11:39 AM
Haha whats up with this Wilson ad???
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/hajamoojoo/WILSON_GAME_AD_300X250.gif

Yep. I totally reckon the KZero is the right racquet for me

A kid that I know wanted to buy the kzero because it was the priciest out of all the wilson frames. He had a long loopy stroke and put in a lot of topspin... He said he needed more power and that it was the way to go. I discouraged him after a whole discussion about a light racquet with a heavy head.