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flyer
06-06-2008, 09:39 PM
I really don't think he has anything better than maybe slightly above average, and Im not only talking about today against Monfils (although nis net game was nothing short of atrocious today), over the last year I don't think he has had a great net game, she nets, frames, or botches an overhead kind of a lot. How did he get this reputation of having such a great volley, between him and Nadal I would say Nadal has the better net game, logic says know but in reality he does

superstition
06-06-2008, 09:44 PM
I really don't think he has anything better than maybe slightly above average, and Im not only talking about today against Monfils (although nis net game was nothing short of atrocious today), over the last year I don't think he has had a great net game, she nets, frames, or botches an overhead kind of a lot. How did he get this reputation of having such a great volley, between him and Nadal I would say Nadal has the better net game, logic says know but in reality he does
Federer is the best volleyer of the singles specialists on tour now.

jetlee2k
06-06-2008, 09:45 PM
I think so too.. Federer net game consider good comparing to all of the baseliners but compare to Rafter, Samprase, Edberg, Becker... I don't think he even comes close. On the other hands, his ground strokes & transition games are consider the best. I think Federer realize it too that's why he chose to stay back more often. He said in one of his interview that he cut down the unforce errors by using his baseline games but in order to get Nadal tomorrow, I think he just go for it.. Playing fearless, go for broke then jump to the net.. Don't hung around with Nadal.. either hit or miss then jump to the net as fast as he can.. This is the only way he has some chance against Nadal..

flyer
06-06-2008, 09:46 PM
Federer is the best volleyer of the singles specialists on tour now.

Just like every other one of your posts: you make a statement but have no content

CyBorg
06-06-2008, 09:49 PM
There was an interesting comment about this during the match on tv. That Roger is a great volleyer who is somewhat sloppy because he doesn't get to volley enough.

But I kind of chuckled at that. There is no such thing as an inherently good volleyer. You're good when you get the practice in, when you volley consistently and when the results show it.

Roger isn't a great volleyer. Maybe he could have been in another era. Probably.

Fedexeon
06-06-2008, 09:51 PM
I think Federer's volley was subpar in his match against Monfils. I have seen much better volleys from him... remember last year's Wimbledon's final? He played so well at the net that time.

He has great volley, but he doesn't use it that often so when he uses it, its abit rusty.

superstition
06-06-2008, 09:53 PM
Just like every other one of your posts: you make a statement but have no content
The statement has content. It's up to you to read it.

flyer
06-06-2008, 09:58 PM
The statement has content. It's up to you to read it.

no it doesn't but w/e

crazytennis
06-06-2008, 10:00 PM
Federer is the best volleyer of the singles specialists on tour now.

Similar reply to your post.


No, he isn't.

acher
06-06-2008, 10:17 PM
geez so much hate.. i mean, it's a forum, no one has to prove anything when it's just a personal opinion..

carlos djackal
06-06-2008, 10:18 PM
Fed Has A Great S&v Game I Think, He's Showed It Against Sampras In Wimbledon A Couple Of Years Ago, It's Just That He's Not Using It Too Often That's Probably The Reason His S&v Game Deteriorated, In Tournaments He Is Playing Today His S&v Looked Subpar.....

edberg505
06-06-2008, 10:23 PM
I really don't think he has anything better than maybe slightly above average, and Im not only talking about today against Monfils (although nis net game was nothing short of atrocious today), over the last year I don't think he has had a great net game, she nets, frames, or botches an overhead kind of a lot. How did he get this reputation of having such a great volley, between him and Nadal I would say Nadal has the better net game, logic says know but in reality he does

That is hilarious. Nadal has a better net game than Roger. I'm going to explain to you why this is far from true. Roger actually "serves" and then "volleys". Nadal hits shots that are virtually winners and then volleys. Have Nadal actually serve and volley and compare to Federer and we'll see who has the better volleys.

flyer
06-06-2008, 10:32 PM
That is hilarious. Nadal has a better net game than Roger. I'm going to explain to you why this is far from true. Roger actually "serves" and then "volleys". Nadal hits shots that are virtually winners and then volleys. Have Nadal actually serve and volley and compare to Federer and we'll see who has the better volleys.

Federer serves and volleys into the net, he also approaches and volleys into the net, or slams into the net, Federer very rarely even serves and volleys, Nadal was at net more than Roger at Wimby last year, still Nadal makes dificult volleys very often, just compare the matches today, I know its only one match from each player but consider the competition and seriously think about what you see, not to mention Nadal is the better doubles player...weird isn't it

BreakPoint
06-06-2008, 10:33 PM
I think Federer's volley was subpar in his match against Monfils. I have seen much better volleys from him... remember last year's Wimbledon's final? He played so well at the net that time.

He has great volley, but he doesn't use it that often so when he uses it, its abit rusty.
I'm not quite sure why you think that because I saw Federer hit some pretty good volleys against Monfils today, especially the three volleys on three different points in that last game of the match to break Monfils and win the match for him.

BreakPoint
06-06-2008, 10:37 PM
Federer serves and volleys into the net, he also approaches and volleys into the net, or slams into the net, Federer very rarely even serves and volleys, Nadal was at net more than Roger at Wimby last year, still Nadal makes dificult volleys very often, just compare the matches today, I know its only one match from each player but consider the competition and seriously think about what you see, not to mention Nadal is the better doubles player...weird isn't it
Federer has 7 doubles titles, Nadal only has 4. How does that make Nadal a better doubles player? :confused:

pow
06-06-2008, 10:38 PM
Federer is has one of the best volleys on the singles tour. Nobody in the top 10 comes to mind with better volleys. Everyone is more about playing on the baseline in today's game.

edberg505
06-06-2008, 10:46 PM
Federer serves and volleys into the net, he also approaches and volleys into the net, or slams into the net, Federer very rarely even serves and volleys, Nadal was at net more than Roger at Wimby last year, still Nadal makes dificult volleys very often, just compare the matches today, I know its only one match from each player but consider the competition and seriously think about what you see, not to mention Nadal is the better doubles player...weird isn't it

Have you seen Nadal play doubles? He doesn't even serve and volley when he plays doubles. Unless he has changed his tactics recently I recall seeing him and his doubles partner at the baseline when playing doubles. Seriously, when was the last time you've seen Nadal serve and volley. I can bet you that if Nadal was to do the same his volleys wouldn't seem so spectacular.

Fedexeon
06-06-2008, 10:48 PM
I'm not quite sure why you think that because I saw Federer hit some pretty good volleys against Monfils today, especially the three volleys on three different points in that last game of the match to break Monfils and win the match for him.

In some points of the match, between the 2nd and 3rd set, he lost confidence of that shot because he missed quite a few easy volleys.

Hot Sauce
06-06-2008, 10:51 PM
I don't know where you're getting this all from, because Federer has some of the best volleys in today's game. There are only one or two names that would go ahead of his.

flyer
06-06-2008, 10:51 PM
Have you seen Nadal play doubles? He doesn't even serve and volley when he plays doubles. Unless he has changed his tactics recently I recall seeing him and his doubles partner at the baseline when playing doubles. Seriously, when was the last time you've seen Nadal serve and volley. I can bet you that if Nadal was to do the same his volleys wouldn't seem so spectacular.

you make good points and actually back your points up with substance which is more than about 90% of the posters so i commend you on that

still i think Nadal can not serve and volley because his serve is far to weak, you need a good serve in order to serve and volley, thats why he doesn't do it, not because he has a bad net game, he has the volley but not the serve, so comparing a federer serve and volley against a nadal serve and volley will not determine who has the better volley because Federers serve is so much better

crazylevity
06-06-2008, 11:01 PM
Check out Federer's match against Gonzo at last year's TMC, AO 2007, etc. Those were tournaments where Federer came in a lot, and volleyed with great finesse and poise.

Even more impressive are his old Wimbledon matches, circa 2001-2003. Serving and volleying a lot.

Also check out his doubles matches. There's one on youtube with him and Wawrinka vs Nadal & Moya at Rome iirc. Some of the net play Federer did was jaw-droppingly good.

edberg505
06-06-2008, 11:02 PM
you make good points and actually back your points up with substance which is more than about 90% of the posters so i commend you on that

still i think Nadal can not serve and volley because his serve is far to weak, you need a good serve in order to serve and volley, thats why he doesn't do it, not because he has a bad net game, he has the volley but not the serve, so comparing a federer serve and volley against a nadal serve and volley will not determine who has the better volley because Federers serve is so much better

Good point. And Point taken. Maybe eventually he will beef up his serve and prove me wrong.

crazytennis
06-06-2008, 11:07 PM
I don't know where you're getting this all from, because Federer has some of the best volleys in today's game. There are only one or two names that would go ahead of his.

I agree with this. He is one of the best but isn't the absolute best. Guys like Stephanek and even Hewitt just edge infront.

kimrey
06-06-2008, 11:09 PM
To me, Federer's the best volleyer on tour. Apart from his early Wimbledon days, he's played some incredible Davis Cup doubles matches where he just completely dominates with his net play.

In the past 5 years or so, the only person who's been as good of a volleyer as Fed was probably Henman.

lonestar
06-06-2008, 11:32 PM
I really don't think he has anything better than maybe slightly above average, and Im not only talking about today against Monfils (although nis net game was nothing short of atrocious today), over the last year I don't think he has had a great net game, she nets, frames, or botches an overhead kind of a lot. How did he get this reputation of having such a great volley, between him and Nadal I would say Nadal has the better net game, logic says know but in reality he does

I disagree. Roger is a very good volleyer, and you actually stated your opinion on yesterdays match against Monfils (I agree his net game was terrible). I think his backhand volley is one of the best on the tour, and he rarely botches an overhead. Only little "weakness" is his forehand volley sometimes.

But to say Nadal has the better net game is bull*****, plain and simple.

zagor
06-06-2008, 11:54 PM
Winning almost 80% of net points is far from atrocious.I've watched many matches from both Federer and Nadal and while I think Nadal's net skill are underrated by some I still think Federer has better volleys,Nadal has good touch but he's probably the best baseliner today and only goes to finish the points at the net when the approach shot is perfect,you rarely see him hit any hard volleys at all.Also Fed did win 2003 WImbledon playing s & V and many people were amazed by his touch at the net including greats like Becker so he proved his net skills there.You've been wathicng too much today's baseline tennis,when a player comes to the net 60-70 times in a match he's gonna miss some volleys even the easy ones I don't care even if you're Rafter or Sampras,this guys are human not robots.Also IMO Fed's overhead is one of the best if not the best in the game at the moment.

BreakPoint
06-07-2008, 12:41 AM
Also IMO Fed's overhead is one of the best if not the best in the game at the moment.
I totally agree! I almost never see Federer blow an overhead and he always puts the ball away on the first overhead because he places it so well and with good power. I think Federer and Roddick have the two best overheads in the game right now.

Defcon
06-07-2008, 12:51 AM
I cannot believe this thread. How soon we forget. Go and watch Sampras vs Fed 2001 this was before Fed became, well Fed. He served and volleyed on every 1st serve and most 2nd serves. Go and watch those volleys, 7 years ago. These days courts have been slowed down and its not so easy. But make no mistake, technically Fed volleys as well as anyone.

baek57
06-07-2008, 12:52 AM
the only reason this topic exists is because he dumped a few in the net against monfils.

rum02
06-07-2008, 04:37 AM
no way hewitt is a better volleyer than fed. And I'm biased to because I'm a hewitt fan.

Legend of Borg
06-07-2008, 04:44 AM
the only reason this topic exists is because he dumped a few in the net against monfils.

That's all it takes to stir up doubt.

daddy
06-07-2008, 04:46 AM
I am pretty sure his volleying skills are good. Make no mistake Flyer, when he is on he can volley with style but two facts contribute to this - usually volleying to finish of a greatly contructed point or after one of the big serves. Then he volleys easily and with style and it looks as natural as you get. The very fact that his footwork is great and his volleys look like the thing of beauty is contributing to the theory of him as a great volleyer. Compared to the s&v legions of the 90's he is pretty average but compared to other players these days he is way above average. As I said when you are Federer and when you play like he does, your volleys are bound to look amasing, slicing to a desperate floater someone threw at you.

Legend of Borg
06-07-2008, 04:48 AM
I cannot believe this thread. How soon we forget. Go and watch Sampras vs Fed 2001 this was before Fed became, well Fed. He served and volleyed on every 1st serve and most 2nd serves. Go and watch those volleys, 7 years ago. These days courts have been slowed down and its not so easy. But make no mistake, technically Fed volleys as well as anyone.

Exactly. The courts are slower than what they used to be. Playing on a faster surface is highly recommended when S&V.

West Coast Ace
06-07-2008, 04:50 AM
I really don't think he has anything better than maybe slightly above average, and Im not only talking about today against Monfils But you bring this up after this match - in which he made plenty of horrific errors - but also hit some pretty great volleys too. Sorry, nice try. You're either a Sampras or (more likely) Nadal fanboy...

joeri888
06-07-2008, 04:56 AM
Whenever one of the big guys has a bad they in a particular department, he's suddenly bad. I don't know if Roger has the best volleys in the game, but theyre certainly good. Sure, he missed some awful ones against Monfils, but put away quite some beauties as well. Think the Roger of 2005-2006 would be no. 1 in the world even if he served and volleyed every first and half the points on second.

flyer
06-07-2008, 06:02 AM
But you bring this up after this match - in which he made plenty of horrific errors - but also hit some pretty great volleys too. Sorry, nice try. You're either a Sampras or (more likely) Nadal fanboy...

Im always very impartial in my analysis, you obviously did not read the thread to begin with and assumed because I did address your concerns

BeHappy
06-07-2008, 06:35 AM
There was an interesting comment about this during the match on tv. That Roger is a great volleyer who is somewhat sloppy because he doesn't get to volley enough.

But I kind of chuckled at that. There is no such thing as an inherently good volleyer. You're good when you get the practice in, when you volley consistently and when the results show it.

Roger isn't a great volleyer. Maybe he could have been in another era. Probably.

Federer WON a grandslam, (Wimby 2003), serving and volleying 65% of the time.

OWNED!

zagor
06-07-2008, 06:52 AM
I totally agree! I almost never see Federer blow an overhead and he always puts the ball away on the first overhead because he places it so well and with good power. I think Federer and Roddick have the two best overheads in the game right now.

Yes,Federer has better overhead,serve and volleys then Nadal,it's not even a contest IMO but you gotta remember this is clays season and FO so Federer is talked about like he's a challenger level player and Nadal is a GOD(next thing you know someone will say that Nadal has a better serve then Sampras).

federerGOAT
06-07-2008, 06:52 AM
I think so too.. Federer net game consider good comparing to all of the baseliners but compare to Rafter, Samprase, Edberg, Becker... I don't think he even comes close. On the other hands, his ground strokes & transition games are consider the best. I think Federer realize it too that's why he chose to stay back more often. He said in one of his interview that he cut down the unforce errors by using his baseline games but in order to get Nadal tomorrow, I think he just go for it.. Playing fearless, go for broke then jump to the net.. Don't hung around with Nadal.. either hit or miss then jump to the net as fast as he can.. This is the only way he has some chance against Nadal..

You must be kidding me. Of those four, only Edberg has better volleys that Federer.Fed does everything, including volleys, better than Rafter, Sampras , and Becker.

BeHappy
06-07-2008, 06:54 AM
You must be kidding me. Of those four, only Edberg has better volleys that Federer.Fed does everything, including volleys, better than Rafter, Sampras , and Becker.

all 3 definitely had better volleys than Federer, there's just no comparison.

federerGOAT
06-07-2008, 06:56 AM
all 3 definitely had better volleys than Federer, there's just no comparison.


How do you explain Federer beating Sampras at his own S&V game at Wimbledon?

joeri888
06-07-2008, 07:10 AM
How do you explain Federer beating Sampras at his own S&V game at Wimbledon?

Federer played the match of his life up till then, Sampras was not great and was not getting any better in 2001. Besides that I think Roger's returns and winners from the baseline made more of a difference than his volleying compared to Pete's

NamRanger
06-07-2008, 07:21 AM
Federer has 7 doubles titles, Nadal only has 4. How does that make Nadal a better doubles player? :confused:


Titles don't mean everything; Nadal has a major doubles title and Federer doesn't if I'm not mistakened.

justsomeecho
06-07-2008, 07:28 AM
except for the glaring fact that roger beat sampras (arguably one of the best s/v players of all time), by serving and volleying.
why dont you look up stuff once in a while

West Coast Ace
06-07-2008, 07:31 AM
Im always very impartial in my analysis, you obviously did not read the thread to begin with and assumed because I did address your concernsA crazy claim is a crazy claim - no matter how many backpedals you did after the fact when the tsunami of laughter came. How could you not expect the response? Timing is everything. Sampras hit plenty of groaners over the years - but always had the serve to get out of trouble. Fed had a bunch of lame ones yesterday - he still won. Scoreboard!

all 3 definitely had better volleys than Federer, there's just no comparison.Yes. But possibly only because they had to be. In their time the courts were faster - stay back and perish. I can't think that any non-biased person would look at Fed and think that if he HAD to volley he couldn't... there are no technical faults with the shots. He just doesn't do it as often to get the consistency. Also, in his defense, remember that the passing shots are coming at him A LOT FASTER and with a TON MORE SPIN than those 4 faced.

rwn
06-07-2008, 07:39 AM
I really don't think he has anything better than maybe slightly above average, and Im not only talking about today against Monfils (although nis net game was nothing short of atrocious today), over the last year I don't think he has had a great net game, she nets, frames, or botches an overhead kind of a lot. How did he get this reputation of having such a great volley, between him and Nadal I would say Nadal has the better net game, logic says know but in reality he does

Federer won 49 out of 64 net attacks (77% success rate) How the hell is that atrocious ? Conclusion: you can't be taken seriously.

West Coast Ace
06-07-2008, 07:47 AM
Federer won 49 out of 64 net attacks (77% success rate) How the hell is that atrocious ? Conclusion: you can't be taken seriously.Please don't let FACTS get in the way of Flyer's good story...
:roll:

I think he's throwing out ideas for a fiction novel based on tennis...

Swissv2
06-07-2008, 07:49 AM
Federer won 49 out of 64 net attacks (77% success rate) How the hell is that atrocious ? Conclusion: you can't be taken seriously.


SHHHHHH....stats scare "knowledgable" people like flyer!!!! :twisted:

MAX PLY
06-07-2008, 07:49 AM
Federer has to be considered one of the best volleyers in today's game. His volleys are not quite up to the Edberg, McEnroe, Rafter or Sampras levels (funny, I have never really considered Becker a "great" volleyer, but it was sufficient to back up is very good serves and approach shots) largely because he does not volley as much. However, his technique is very good generally because when he hits it well, like those who came before him, it starts from a short backswing and he pushes through the ball with his arm but his feet give him forward momentum (as my old college coach used to say, good volleys start with good footwork). The only time he volleys poorly is when he adds a little bit of "swing" to the stroke (usually on the forehad volley--perhaps to really nail it--and I am not really discussing that midcourt swinging forehand volley he hits at times), which causes a mistimed shot and a less than optimal volley. That tendency typically happens more on clay than hard or grass courts because of the desire to try to put a little extra on it to compensate for the slower court. And, sometimes, perhaps he is a bit tired or a bit "lazy" (a relative term). The other thing that makes Federer miss some volleys is a fairly predictable approach--I would like to seem him mix up his approach with some more driving slices as well as some short low bouncers (a la Mac).

Nadal actually has a pretty servicable volley as well--particularly on the clay. I attribute that to his phenomonal footwork and his willingness to execute a short punch, letting his feet add the pace. Plus, he also typically comes in on a ball that he can pound to begin with so he rarely feels the need to try to "hit it with something extra" to win the point.

Bottom line--"weakness" here is extremely relative, they are only the best two players on the planet--we should all have such weaknesses in our games.

cueboyzn
06-07-2008, 07:49 AM
Jesus. How high Roger has set the bar is evidenced by this lame thread. Forget the 5 Wimbledon titles. Have one bad match where his volley sucks and all of a sudden he cant volley? Please. He is one of the best volleyers in the current era, if not the best.

dh003i
06-07-2008, 08:03 AM
Jesus. How high Roger has set the bar is evidenced by this lame thread. Forget the 5 Wimbledon titles. Have one bad match where his volley sucks and all of a sudden he cant volley? Please. He is one of the best volleyers in the current era, if not the best.

Those who say Federer isn't a great volleyer don't know what they're talking about. He's among the best, if not the best, in the game today. He'd be even more consistent if they hadn't *******ized Wimbledon and made it slower.

But I don't know how you can look at his performance against Monfils and say it was a poor day at the net. 49 / 64 at net, a 77% success rate. That's freaking phenomenal considering how often he came in. Coming in 64 times -- in today's game, against a speedy guy like Monfils with some power on his shots, on clay -- even 60% would be a great success rate.

TheTruth
06-07-2008, 08:27 AM
Of course if you say anything about Fed here, you'll be labeled, but go ahead.

Fed is not a great volleyer. He's average. He misses as many as he makes. The match with Sampras a hundred years ago is not an indicator of how he volleys today. For one, he would have gotten rusty since it is primarily a baseline game now. Just because Fed has won 12 grand slams does not mean he excels in every aspect of the game. Pete won 14 and there were holes in his game too. A few months ago a poster said Tsonga had better volleys and he/she was laughed off the board, but in reality, it was true. Tsonga does volley better. He just doesn't have 12 grand slams. I know the commentators spit that drivel out all day longs, but here's how you could tell. If Fed volleyed as well as they say he does, it would make no sense for him not to have confidence in it. Federer only takes the risk when his back is against the wall, as in a last resort.

Now, the other thing is that he volleys well, or volleys bad is a matter of opinion. To my knowledge there is no ATP stat regarding volleys attempted and volleys made.

You can get mad if you want to, but it's the truth anyhow.

Let the flaming begin!

joeri888
06-07-2008, 08:48 AM
Of course if you say anything about Fed here, you'll be labeled, but go ahead.

Fed is not a great volleyer. He's average. He misses as many as he makes. The match with Sampras a hundred years ago is not an indicator of how he volleys today. For one, he would have gotten rusty since it is primarily a baseline game now. Just because Fed has won 12 grand slams does not mean he excels in every aspect of the game. Pete won 14 and there were holes in his game too. A few months ago a poster said Tsonga had better volleys and he/she was laughed off the board, but in reality, it was true. Tsonga does volley better. He just doesn't have 12 grand slams. I know the commentators spit that drivel out all day longs, but here's how you could tell. If Fed volleyed as well as they say he does, it would make no sense for him not to have confidence in it. Federer only takes the risk when his back is against the wall, as in a last resort.

Now, the other thing is that he volleys well, or volleys bad is a matter of opinion. To my knowledge there is no ATP stat regarding volleys attempted and volleys made.

You can get mad if you want to, but it's the truth anyhow.

Let the flaming begin!

Maybe Roger's volleys aren't quite as accurate these days, but in 2005 and 2006 they were sublime, and no there were NO holes in his game, except his backhand on clay against Nadal only.

TheTruth
06-07-2008, 08:54 AM
Maybe Roger's volleys aren't quite as accurate these days, but in 2005 and 2006 they were sublime, and no there were NO holes in his game, except his backhand on clay against Nadal only.

No argument there. His volleys were a lot better in those years. 2007 and 2008 he has been missing a lot. The weird thing is he was doing very well, but then quit doing them. I guess he didn't need them for the rest of the field, but with the ascents of Nadal and Djokovic he needs them again. With him missing so many nowadays, he will be blown off the court.

helloworld
06-07-2008, 09:09 AM
except for the glaring fact that roger beat sampras (arguably one of the best s/v players of all time), by serving and volleying.
why dont you look up stuff once in a while
George Bastl beat Sampras at Wimbledon the following year. Does that make George Bastl the GOAT on grass? Beating an old man doesn't prove anything, and Federer was not in his prime either. It's basically a match between a player way past his prime and a player about to reach his prime. Nothing can be conclude from the match unless they're both playing their best tennis.

joeri888
06-07-2008, 09:31 AM
No argument there. His volleys were a lot better in those years. 2007 and 2008 he has been missing a lot. The weird thing is he was doing very well, but then quit doing them. I guess he didn't need them for the rest of the field, but with the ascents of Nadal and Djokovic he needs them again. With him missing so many nowadays, he will be blown off the court.

I think especially the last sentence reminds me of people saying 'Fed is done' 'Roger doesn't have slams left in him' etc. and while you say that, Roger is again in the final of the French, equaling his best performance there and bidding for a thirteenth title. Not blown off the court yet.

TheTruth
06-07-2008, 10:05 AM
I think especially the last sentence reminds me of people saying 'Fed is done' 'Roger doesn't have slams left in him' etc. and while you say that, Roger is again in the final of the French, equaling his best performance there and bidding for a thirteenth title. Not blown off the court yet.

Joeri, a lot of people say a lot of things, unfounded and otherwise. I would never say Roger is done, Roger doesn't have any slams in him, or any other future predicting statements. The bottom line is, none of us know. At this point he only has two people to worry about, Nadal and Djokovic. The rest of the field is mentally weak in my opinion. Concievably he will win more, but either way we won't know until it happens!

Rafael_Nadal_6257
06-07-2008, 10:57 AM
First of all, I would say that Federer has a better net game than just about anyone in the top ten including Nadal. Nadal has underrated touch at net, but Federer has a better overall net game.

That is hilarious. Nadal has a better net game than Roger. I'm going to explain to you why this is far from true. Roger actually "serves" and then "volleys". Nadal hits shots that are virtually winners and then volleys. Have Nadal actually serve and volley and compare to Federer and we'll see who has the better volleys.

However, in response to this, Nadal's serve is weaker than Federer's, which is part of the reason why he doesn't serve and volley that much (he actually does when he's up quite a bit in the match), just as Federer doesn't volley that much when he's playing Nadal and his ground game is worse than usual.

superstition
06-07-2008, 12:16 PM
geez so much hate.. i mean, it's a forum, no one has to prove anything when it's just a personal opinion..
And some opinions are in need of proof more than others. Anyone who argues that Federer isn't a good volleyer is going to have to do more work than someone who states he's the best volleyer among the singles specialists on tour today. The latter is the general consensus. The former is not.

crosscourt
06-07-2008, 12:49 PM
Fed has good but not great volleys. From time to time he plays an amazing volley.

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TheTruth
06-07-2008, 12:51 PM
Fed has good but not great volleys. From time to time he plays an amazing volley.

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That's exactly right!

nickb
06-07-2008, 12:53 PM
Federer has the best volleys on tour right now...

But I do think Tim Henman had/has better volleys...much better.

akv89
06-07-2008, 12:56 PM
Mistakes on the tennis court from an accomplished player stand out more than winners. This is why when we see Federer net a few volleys in one game, some might say that he can't volley. As many have shown the stats show that Federer's net game wasn't that bad even in the Monfils match when people thought it was bad. His volleys are not only sharp, but they have also been very consistent.
I also don't think Federer gets enough recognition for his reaction time at the net. I don't think I've seen anyone move as fast to get what would have been a passing shot back for a winner.

crazylevity
06-07-2008, 12:58 PM
Check out Federer's match against Gonzo at last year's TMC, AO 2007, etc. Those were tournaments where Federer came in a lot, and volleyed with great finesse and poise.

Even more impressive are his old Wimbledon matches, circa 2001-2003. Serving and volleying a lot.

Also check out his doubles matches. There's one on youtube with him and Wawrinka vs Nadal & Moya at Rome iirc. Some of the net play Federer did was jaw-droppingly good.

I've seen so many posts comparing Federer's volleying to other greats such as Edberg and Rafter. Though such comparisons may be valid, they are often difficult to substantiate. For those of you who doubt, please check out the matches above and see for yourself.

The truth, as they say, is out there.

Bubba
06-07-2008, 12:59 PM
He's a very good volleyer, He's #1 in the world and has been for x00 weeks - I'd say he's good enough. Could he be better, perhaps, but if you watch him at the net he is still amazing.

Defcon
06-07-2008, 01:59 PM
Against Monfils, Fed made all the hard volleys, some really tought ones, and missed sitters. I'd much rather have that than someone who can make only the easy volleys.

Nadal has good touch but saying he has better volleys is laughable - he only comes in on almost-winners.

Andres
06-07-2008, 06:41 PM
You must be kidding me. Of those four, only Edberg has better volleys that Federer.Fed does everything, including volleys, better than Rafter, Sampras , and Becker.
Sorry, but no. Compared to Becker, Federer is a sub-par volleyer. Compared to Rafter, Federer looks like Sharapova at the net.

BeHappy
06-07-2008, 06:47 PM
Sorry, but no. Compared to Becker, Federer is a sub-par volleyer. Compared to Rafter, Federer looks like Sharapova at the net.

Sampras is a better volleyer than Federer.

dh003i
06-07-2008, 07:08 PM
Sorry, but no. Compared to Becker, Federer is a sub-par volleyer. Compared to Rafter, Federer looks like Sharapova at the net.

Honestly, I haven't seen them enough to remark on your comment, but from what I've seen, Federer is an exceptional volleyer. Sure, he misses some easy ones -- I think maybe goes too close to the line, or loses focus. But I mean, he doesn't volley a lot; the whole game today is rigged against coming in to volley. But it's total and complete crap to say he's volleyed poorly this tournament. I don't think there was a single match I saw where he had a low % of net-points; and the "horrible" game against Monfils volleying, he was 77% on over 60 volleys -- very impressive.

So, if Federer looks sub-par compared to Becker or Rafter in volleying, it must just because they had insane out-of-this world all-time great / best volleys.

That said, I think Federer would be even better volleying if he came in more. One thing I look forward to as he ages is he'll have to get away from that baseline game, and force the issue being more aggressive; use more of that all-around game. And that will be a beautiful thing to see, even if it means (by the nature of it), he won't be able to be as consistent.

BreakPoint
06-07-2008, 07:55 PM
Im always very impartial in my analysis, you obviously did not read the thread to begin with and assumed because I did address your concerns
This is what you call "impartial"? :confused:

..... I don't think he has had a great net game, he nets, frames, or botches an overhead kind of a lot. ....... between him and Nadal I would say Nadal has the better net game, logic says know but in reality he does

BreakPoint
06-07-2008, 08:02 PM
Titles don't mean everything; Nadal has a major doubles title and Federer doesn't if I'm not mistakened.
Huh? Titles don't mean everything? I wonder why the pros try so hard to win them? Perhaps Federer should just skip the final tomorrow since he doesn't really care about titles. :-?

McEnroe was a pretty good doubles player. How do people know that? Because he has 78 doubles titles!

Nadal has never won a doubles title at a major. He won one at Monte Carlo. Not a bid deal. Federer won one at Miami, also known as the "5th Major" - a much bigger deal.

BreakPoint
06-07-2008, 08:09 PM
Of course if you say anything about Fed here, you'll be labeled, but go ahead.

Fed is not a great volleyer. He's average. He misses as many as he makes. The match with Sampras a hundred years ago is not an indicator of how he volleys today. For one, he would have gotten rusty since it is primarily a baseline game now. Just because Fed has won 12 grand slams does not mean he excels in every aspect of the game. Pete won 14 and there were holes in his game too. A few months ago a poster said Tsonga had better volleys and he/she was laughed off the board, but in reality, it was true. Tsonga does volley better. He just doesn't have 12 grand slams. I know the commentators spit that drivel out all day longs, but here's how you could tell. If Fed volleyed as well as they say he does, it would make no sense for him not to have confidence in it. Federer only takes the risk when his back is against the wall, as in a last resort.

Now, the other thing is that he volleys well, or volleys bad is a matter of opinion. To my knowledge there is no ATP stat regarding volleys attempted and volleys made.

You can get mad if you want to, but it's the truth anyhow.

Let the flaming begin!
I guess you missed the post right above yours. :-?

Those who say Federer isn't a great volleyer don't know what they're talking about. He's among the best, if not the best, in the game today. He'd be even more consistent if they hadn't *******ized Wimbledon and made it slower.

But I don't know how you can look at his performance against Monfils and say it was a poor day at the net. 49 / 64 at net, a 77% success rate. That's freaking phenomenal considering how often he came in. Coming in 64 times -- in today's game, against a speedy guy like Monfils with some power on his shots, on clay -- even 60% would be a great success rate.
Did even Sampras or Edberg ever have a 77% success rate volleying at Roland Garros? I highly doubt! :oops:

TheTruth
06-07-2008, 08:23 PM
Against Monfils, Fed made all the hard volleys, some really tought ones, and missed sitters. I'd much rather have that than someone who can make only the easy volleys.

Nadal has good touch but saying he has better volleys is laughable - he only comes in on almost-winners.

And how many matches has Monfils played this year due to injury? Wasn't it five?

TheTruth
06-07-2008, 08:27 PM
Honestly, I haven't seen them enough to remark on your comment, but from what I've seen, Federer is an exceptional volleyer. Sure, he misses some easy ones -- I think maybe goes too close to the line, or loses focus. But I mean, he doesn't volley a lot; the whole game today is rigged against coming in to volley. But it's total and complete crap to say he's volleyed poorly this tournament. I don't think there was a single match I saw where he had a low % of net-points; and the "horrible" game against Monfils volleying, he was 77% on over 60 volleys -- very impressive.

So, if Federer looks sub-par compared to Becker or Rafter in volleying, it must just because they had insane out-of-this world all-time great / best volleys.

That said, I think Federer would be even better volleying if he came in more. One thing I look forward to as he ages is he'll have to get away from that baseline game, and force the issue being more aggressive; use more of that all-around game. And that will be a beautiful thing to see, even if it means (by the nature of it), he won't be able to be as consistent.

This explains why you think Federer is such an exceptional volleyer. Obviously, you just don't know. But to sit and argue with people who were there and saw these players year in and year out is insane. What you've just admitted here is that you have very limited knowledge about the subject at hand. Thanks a lot! You have lost all credibility. I would never speak on players I didn't see "enough" and try to determine their skill level. Shame on you!

TheTruth
06-07-2008, 08:30 PM
I guess you missed the post right above yours. :-?


Did even Sampras or Edberg ever have a 77% success rate volleying at Roland Garros? I highly doubt! :oops:

Against an opponent like Monfils who has only played 5 matches this year and all the posters on this board was calling a waste of talent? Yep, that's pretty impressive. LOL! You guys kill me!

BreakPoint
06-07-2008, 08:35 PM
Against an opponent like Monfils who has only played 5 matches this year and all the posters on this board was calling a waste of talent? Yep, that's pretty impressive. LOL! You guys kill me!
Gonzales has pretty big passing shots, wouldn't you say? Well, against Gonzales in the quarters, Federer had an even better 83% success rate at the net. :oops:

dh003i
06-07-2008, 08:35 PM
This explains why you think Federer is such an exceptional volleyer. Obviously, you just don't know. But to sit and argue with people who were there and saw these players year in and year out is insane. What you've just admitted here is that you have very limited knowledge about the subject at hand. Thanks a lot! You have lost all credibility. I would never speak on players I didn't see "enough" and try to determine their skill level. Shame on you!

No, you imbecile...I don't need to see a lot of Rafter, Edberg, Becker, etc to say that Federer is a great volleyer. He is quite natural up there, has amazing quickness, and makes some very difficult volleys, plus has a good percentage.

What the hell do you know about volleys anyways? You only come here to bash Federer. I doubt you bothered to watch that awesome Youtube of Laver vs. Ashe at Wimbledon, which had some really great net play and volleys. If it were up to your and your ilk, there'd be no volleys or net-play, because the whole season would be on amazingly slow high-bouncing clay. You just come here to bash Federer.

TheTruth
06-07-2008, 09:04 PM
Gonzales has pretty big passing shots, wouldn't you say? Well, against Gonzales in the quarters, Federer had an even better 83% success rate at the net. :oops:

Now, that is impressive!

TheTruth
06-07-2008, 09:07 PM
No, you imbecile...I don't need to see a lot of Rafter, Edberg, Becker, etc to say that Federer is a great volleyer. He is quite natural up there, has amazing quickness, and makes some very difficult volleys, plus has a good percentage.

What the hell do you know about volleys anyways? You only come here to bash Federer. I doubt you bothered to watch that awesome Youtube of Laver vs. Ashe at Wimbledon, which had some really great net play and volleys. If it were up to your and your ilk, there'd be no volleys or net-play, because the whole season would be on amazingly slow high-bouncing clay. You just come here to bash Federer.

You need to go and get your blood pressure down. You're young, but stress kills. You do need to see those who excelled at it rather than your blind love of Federer. And you call me an imbecile? Not only that, anyone who doesn't agree with your irrational rants immediately gets called names. The mods should ban you for life. A public tennis board is not the place for you. You can't handle a difference of opinion!

dh003i
06-07-2008, 09:17 PM
You need to go and get your blood pressure down. You're young, but stress kills. You do need to see those who excelled at it rather than your blind love of Federer. And you call me an imbecile? Not only that, anyone who doesn't agree with your irrational rants immediately gets called names. The mods should ban you for life. A public tennis board is not the place for you. You can't handle a difference of opinion!

No, people who have idiotic paranoid "opinion" get called out for that. I'm sorry if you don't understand statistics, but I've explained quite clearly why you can't make first-hand comparisons between players if you've seen many games full games from one, and only several from the other (especially if they aren't randomly selected). I would trust McEnroe's opinion on the matter, for example (but hardly yours, given your hatred of Federer, and irrationality). McEnroe hasn't criticized Federer for being a poor volleyer; in fact, he went nuts over Federer winning Wimbledon S&V'ing in '03.

But I need say little more than point to your name and behavior; "TheTruth" obviously refers to what you think every word out of your mouth is, with absolute certainty. I, on the other hand, am honest enough to admit when I don't know something from first-hand experience. I'm sure that someone like Moose Malloy, who's probably been watching tennis for 50 years, can make direct comparisons.

superstition
06-07-2008, 09:21 PM
Gonzales has pretty big passing shots, wouldn't you say? Well, against Gonzales in the quarters, Federer had an even better 83% success rate at the net. :oops:
One thing to consider, though, is that players of the past played more doubles so they were used to dealing with players at the net. Players of the past also dealt with more net rushers and all court players so they were more used to dealing with players at the net.

Swissv2
06-07-2008, 09:22 PM
The mods should ban you for life. A public tennis board is not the place for you. You can't handle a difference of opinion!

This can easily be said about you.

TheTruth
06-07-2008, 09:22 PM
No, people who have idiotic paranoid "opinion" get called out for that. I'm sorry if you don't understand statistics, but I've explained quite clearly why you can't make first-hand comparisons between players if you've seen many games full games from one, and only several from the other (especially if they aren't randomly selected). I would trust McEnroe's opinion on the matter, for example (but hardly yours, given your hatred of Federer, and irrationality). McEnroe hasn't criticized Federer for being a poor volleyer; in fact, he went nuts over Federer winning Wimbledon S&V'ing in '03.

But I need say little more than point to your name and behavior; "TheTruth" obviously refers to what you think every word out of your mouth is, with absolute certainty. I, on the other hand, am honest enough to admit when I don't know something from first-hand experience. I'm sure that someone like Moose Malloy, who's probably been watching tennis for 50 years, can make direct comparisons.


Ahhh, always looking for someone else to do your thinking for you. First Johnny Mac, now Moose Malloy. Sigh. Well, it is what it is. Good night. You have a pleasant rest. It's been real interesting talking to you!

dh003i
06-07-2008, 09:42 PM
Ahhh, always looking for someone else to do your thinking for you. First Johnny Mac, now Moose Malloy. Sigh. Well, it is what it is. Good night. You have a pleasant rest. It's been real interesting talking to you!

LOL, again, more distortion. And you expect to get away with this on a forum where anyone can look back. I'm not having anyone "do my thinking for me"; I'm deferring to what I consider expert opinion, when I haven't seen something enough for myself to make a judgment. I have a (correct) criteria for determining when I can or cannot make a valid comparison from my first-hand experience. It is based off of knowledge of statistics, as well as just common sense.

I am not interested in watching average or sub-par matches by Edberg, Rafter, Becker, etc. Yet, I would need to do such to make a valid comparison, for myself, of their volleys to Federer's. I would need to watch a random selection of hundreds of their matches -- as many matches from them as I've watched from Federer -- and that would undoubtedly include not particularly great matches. Why the hell would I do that? To be able to make a first-hand comparison? No, it isn't worth that much. I'll defer to experts who've been watching far longer than I have. It's just common sense.

I'm not even interested in going back and watching a random selection of Federer matches I haven't seen.

fednad
06-07-2008, 11:47 PM
I really don't think he has anything better than maybe slightly above average, and Im not only talking about today against Monfils (although nis net game was nothing short of atrocious today), over the last year I don't think he has had a great net game, she nets, frames, or botches an overhead kind of a lot. How did he get this reputation of having such a great volley, between him and Nadal I would say Nadal has the better net game, logic says know but in reality he does

Ok buddy..I say he has great volleys.

fednad
06-07-2008, 11:49 PM
You need to go and get your blood pressure down. You're young, but stress kills. You do need to see those who excelled at it rather than your blind love of Federer. And you call me an imbecile? Not only that, anyone who doesn't agree with your irrational rants immediately gets called names. The mods should ban you for life. A public tennis board is not the place for you. You can't handle a difference of opinion!

I think you are a Fed hater

joeri888
06-08-2008, 12:21 AM
To say Roger doesn't have good volleys is ridiculous imo, but so is comparing them to Sampras'. Sampras made a living of volleying, Roger won most of his slams being the best baseline-player in the world. Roger's got good volleys and if he'd been playing serve and volley for the rest of his life, he'd be talented enough to have awesome volleys, because in his prime roger could do absolutely everything.

Calling Roger's volleys weak because he makes some errors against Monfils is ridiculous though. After one set and a half he'd 13 out of 13 won at the net, and against Gonzalez he won 31 out of 36 overall. THose are good stat. Roger's best volleying is well above almost any other player on tour's best, and especially far above Nadal (who's volleys aren't bad), even Nadal acknowledges that.

(FEDERER)vs(NADAL)
06-08-2008, 01:18 AM
I really don't think he has anything better than maybe slightly above average, and Im not only talking about today against Monfils (although nis net game was nothing short of atrocious today), over the last year I don't think he has had a great net game, she nets, frames, or botches an overhead kind of a lot. How did he get this reputation of having such a great volley, between him and Nadal I would say Nadal has the better net game, logic says know but in reality he does

flyer you're just a fed hater. look at shanghai last year! volleying is how he can beat nadal

Andres
06-08-2008, 01:41 PM
So, if Federer looks sub-par compared to Becker or Rafter in volleying, it must just because they had insane out-of-this world all-time great / best volleys.
Rafter, yeah. Becker, not to much
I'd rate Rafter in a Top5 of all-time volleyers, after McEnroe and Edberg. I don't know wether to rate Cash over Rafter or viceversa. Federer doesn't even make the Top10.

NamRanger
06-08-2008, 01:44 PM
To say Roger doesn't have good volleys is ridiculous imo, but so is comparing them to Sampras'. Sampras made a living of volleying, Roger won most of his slams being the best baseline-player in the world. Roger's got good volleys and if he'd been playing serve and volley for the rest of his life, he'd be talented enough to have awesome volleys, because in his prime roger could do absolutely everything.

Calling Roger's volleys weak because he makes some errors against Monfils is ridiculous though. After one set and a half he'd 13 out of 13 won at the net, and against Gonzalez he won 31 out of 36 overall. THose are good stat. Roger's best volleying is well above almost any other player on tour's best, and especially far above Nadal (who's volleys aren't bad), even Nadal acknowledges that.


Sampras had good volleys, but he also had the luxury of the best serve in tennis to help him get to net. On his return games, his net game flaws were exposed greatly; especially when he was older. Sampras was not a natural net player like Mac or Edberg. He was a converted baseliner. That is partially why he was so good. He got pretty good at the net, but also had a really good baseline game (predominantly his forehand) to boot also.

TheKingOfClay
06-08-2008, 01:44 PM
who cares... he lost as usual... he will NEVER beat King Nadal on clay... just face it...

xtremerunnerars
06-08-2008, 01:46 PM
Do you watch tennis outside of the French? Fed has beaten him on clay, you fist pumping bozo.


Fed's really good at volleys; nobody ripped passing shots like nadal until, well, nadal.

moonbat
06-08-2008, 01:54 PM
Rafter, yeah. Becker, not to much
I'd rate Rafter in a Top5 of all-time volleyers, after McEnroe and Edberg. I don't know wether to rate Cash over Rafter or viceversa. Federer doesn't even make the Top10.

Rafter was amazing, especially his backhand volley. Sweeeet.

brc444
06-10-2008, 07:20 PM
I think Fed has good volleys but he needs to be more consisitent. He has a tendency to miss some easy ones especially on his forehand side.

Tshooter
06-10-2008, 07:23 PM
Not good, exceptional.

NamRanger
06-10-2008, 07:30 PM
Not good, exceptional.


Federer has above average volleys; Henman has exceptional volleys. The man S&Ved his way to a French Open Semi-Final with really no weapons other then his netgame.

federerGOAT
06-10-2008, 07:38 PM
Federer has above average volleys; Henman has exceptional volleys. The man S&Ved his way to a French Open Semi-Final with really no weapons other then his netgame.


Federer has better volleys than Henman, Sampras, Becker, and Rafter. Only Edberg and Mcenroe can volley better than Federer.