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TacoBellBorderBowl1946
06-09-2008, 10:46 AM
Why is he considered the 4th best grass player? I understand that Federer and Nadal have done something on the surface, but what had djokovic done? If djokovic and Roddick meet, Roddick will own him for two sets and Djoko will retire like he always has. He can't handle the deadly serve and forehand combo.

coloskier
06-09-2008, 12:59 PM
Why is he considered the 4th best grass player? I understand that Federer and Nadal have done something on the surface, but what had djokovic done? If djokovic and Roddick meet, Roddick will own him for two sets and Djoko will retire like he always has. He can't handle the deadly serve and forehand combo.

Unlike Djokovic, Roddick has actually been in a Wimbledon final, and defeated Djokovic the last time they played this year. Of course Roddick also beat Nadal this year, too. So why shouldn't he be #2 behind Fed?

Rhino
06-09-2008, 01:04 PM
I think it's because he's gone downhill a bit in the last two or three year. He's been beaten by Murray and Gasquet at Wimbledon and his opponents at Queens last year were a bit weak (Mah-who?).
It will be interesting if there is a Djokovic vs Roddick final this year at Queens.

rightytopspin79
06-09-2008, 01:30 PM
I don't think he's under rated on grass. Last year he was 2 games from being in the semi's! He just choked, in that quarterfinal against Gasquet, we talk about how he was winning all these backhand winners and gasquet did this and that..if you watched the match you know that Roddick took a mental dump! You don't lose a match being 2 set up and break in the 3rd to a player like gasquet who's never won anything that wasn't given to him.

I feel if Roddick get his shoulder right he'll make a run to the final's no matter who he plays. I think Fed's game has dipped to the point that Roddick is right there with him on grass.

westy
06-09-2008, 01:54 PM
I know there has been a thread where a poster picked roddick for wimbledon, and everyone else seemed to laugh.

I actually quite fancy roddick for a good run at SW19 this year, possibly ending in a win!

Being a huuuuuuge federer fan, i am rooting for federer, but i just feel roddick will be a greather threat this time around

sillymonkey
06-09-2008, 02:34 PM
Is he underrated? Seems he's one of the favorites to eat least get into the 2nd week. Maybe it's just that his weaknesses have been exposed.

zagor
06-09-2008, 02:39 PM
His performance at Wimbledon the last 2 years where he lost to Murray(although that was probably the biggest slump Roddick has been in his career) and Gasquet(he really should have won that match)wasn't exactly great but this year if he plays the way I know he can play meaning hitting that forehand agressively(not that loopy spinny crap) coupled with his improved backhand and volleys(they're still not great but not as bad as before IMO) he is a Wimbledon contender IMO along with the big 3.

Nadal_Monfils
06-09-2008, 02:53 PM
I agree that he is a contender at Wimbledon. His serve, forehand, and slice backhand should get him to the 2nd week at least.

aceroberts13
06-09-2008, 02:57 PM
I think its that he has slipped on all other surfaces. And since teh grass season is pitifully short now so he can't carry over much results. But from all of his rest he is in great position to make a good run at wimbledon this year.

anointedone
06-09-2008, 03:55 PM
What nonsense. There is no reason for him to be rated the 2nd favorite at any of the slams. He has ended the last two years ranked #6 in the world and he has been miles behind Nadal in ranking points for several year, and Djokovic for almost a year now. At the last 2 Wimbledons he has lost in the 3rd round and the quarters.

Nadal was in the finals the last 2 years, taking Federer to 4 and 5 sets. Nadal is just coming off his most dominant French Open title run ever, much moreso then the last 2 years when he totally outdid Roddick at Wimbledon. Recent head to head they are even 1-1 on Nadals worst surface of hard courts, and Nadal very comfortably outclassed and won their meeting on what constitutes a normal hard court, Roddick winning on a lightning court that doesnt exist hardly anywhere else on tour these days.

Djokovic was in the semis last year and is a much better player a year later. Roddick hasnt been that far in Wimbledon since 2005 now. Djokovic battled through people like Baghdatis and Hewitt at last years Wimbledon, similar current caliber grass courters to the ones Roddick could not beat the last two years, Murray and Gasquet, and as I said Djokovic is only alot better now. Djokovic has been in the semis or better of his last 5 slams, while Roddick hasnt been to the semis of any slam in a year and a half now.

Yet Roddick is underrated to only be a 4th favorite (at most) by people. Hogwash.

NamRanger
06-09-2008, 03:57 PM
What nonsense. There is no reason for him to be rated the 2nd favorite at any of the slams. He has ended the last two years ranked #6 in the world and he has been miles behind Nadal in ranking points for several year, and Djokovic for almost a year now. At the last 2 Wimbledons he has lost in the 3rd round and the quarters.

Nadal was in the finals the last 2 years, taking Federer to 4 and 5 sets. Nadal is just coming off his most dominant French Open title run ever, much moreso then the last 2 years when he totally outdid Roddick at Wimbledon. Recent head to head they are even 1-1 on Nadals worst surface of hard courts, and Nadal very comfortably outclassed and won their meeting on what constitutes a normal hard court, Roddick winning on a lightning court that doesnt exist hardly anywhere else on tour these days.

Djokovic was in the semis last year and is a much better player a year later. Roddick hasnt been that far in Wimbledon since 2005 now. Djokovic battled through people like Baghdatis and Hewitt at last years Wimbledon, similar current caliber grass courters to the ones Roddick could not beat the last two years, Murray and Gasquet, and as I said Djokovic is only alot better now. Djokovic has been in the semis or better of his last 5 slams, while Roddick hasnt been to the semis of any slam in a year and a half now.

Yet Roddick is underrated to only be a 4th favorite (at most) by people. Hogwash.


We will see at Wimbledon when Roddick blasts either one of them into the next oblivion.

anointedone
06-09-2008, 03:58 PM
We will see at Wimbledon when Roddick blasts either one of them into the next oblivion.

Yeah like Berdych was going to blast Nadal into oblivion at last years Wimbledon according to you. Whoops. Federer cant even blast Nadal into oblivion at Wimbledon these days and yet you think Roddick will. LOL!

veroniquem
06-09-2008, 04:00 PM
What nonsense. There is no reason for him to be rated the 2nd favorite at any of the slams. He has ended the last two years ranked #6 in the world and he has been miles behind Nadal in ranking points for several year, and Djokovic for almost a year now. At the last 2 Wimbledons he has lost in the 3rd round and the quarters.

Nadal was in the finals the last 2 years, taking Federer to 4 and 5 sets. Nadal is just coming off his most dominant French Open title run ever, much moreso then the last 2 years when he totally outdid Roddick at Wimbledon. Recent head to head they are even 1-1 on Nadals worst surface of hard courts, and Nadal very comfortably outclassed and won their meeting on what constitutes a normal hard court, Roddick winning on a lightning court that doesnt exist hardly anywhere else on tour these days.

Djokovic was in the semis last year and is a much better player a year later. Roddick hasnt been that far in Wimbledon since 2005 now. Djokovic battled through people like Baghdatis and Hewitt at last years Wimbledon, similar current caliber grass courters to the ones Roddick could not beat the last two years, Murray and Gasquet, and as I said Djokovic is only alot better now. Djokovic has been in the semis or better of his last 5 slams, while Roddick hasnt been to the semis of any slam in a year and a half now.

Yet Roddick is underrated to only be a 4th favorite (at most) by people. Hogwash.
Once again you nailed it! Keep up the good work!

BeHappy
06-09-2008, 04:00 PM
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that's why

malakas
06-09-2008, 04:00 PM
He's number 4 behind the undoubtedly top trio.What's to complain about?It's not that someone rated him behind Davydenko or smth!

Gugafan
06-09-2008, 04:01 PM
Roddick has the grass 'know-how'. He can utilise his weapons effectively by keeping rallys short, which can throw off rhytham for baseliners like Nadal.

He has one of the best serves in the game, which is always going to put pressure on opponents if they are broken on grass.

Roddick is a twice runner up at Wimbledon, and has the grass court pedigree over the years.

tennis_guy
06-09-2008, 04:03 PM
Roddick has absolutely no chance. He's light years behind federer, nadal and djokovic now. Murray, Gasquet and Hewitt would probably beat him.

Gugafan
06-09-2008, 04:15 PM
Yeah like Berdych was going to blast Nadal into oblivion at last years Wimbledon according to you. Whoops. Federer cant even blast Nadal into oblivion at Wimbledon these days and yet you think Roddick will. LOL!

Despite reaching two finals at Wimbledon I am not fully covinced that Nadal is a lock to achieve the feit again. Nadal is yet to win a title on grass and has looked vulnerable on the suface. He lost to Mahut at queens convincingly last year, and was involved in 5 set struggles against Soderling and Youzhny at Wimbledon.

The field seems stronger this year, with players returning from injury and new young stars having breakout years.

veroniquem
06-09-2008, 04:19 PM
Despite reaching two finals at Wimbledon I am not fully covinced that Nadal is a lock to achieve the feit again. Nadal is yet to win a title on grass and has looked vulnerable on the suface. He lost to Mahut at queens convincingly last year, and was involved in 5 set struggles against Soderling and Youzhny at Wimbledon.

The field seems stronger this year, with players returning from injury and new young stars having breakout years.
But Nadal is stronger this year too. Look, the bad news is that you'll probably never be convinced no matter how many finals Nadal reaches. The good news is we really don't care if you're convinced or not as long as he continues playing great there.

NamRanger
06-09-2008, 05:30 PM
Yeah like Berdych was going to blast Nadal into oblivion at last years Wimbledon according to you. Whoops. Federer cant even blast Nadal into oblivion at Wimbledon these days and yet you think Roddick will. LOL!


You said Roddick was going to get beat down by both Nadal, Djokovic, and Federer. Guess what.


Roddick 3-0, Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic 0-3 this year.

Thor
06-09-2008, 05:35 PM
But Nadal is stronger this year too. Look, the bad news is that you'll probably never be convinced no matter how many finals Nadal reaches. The good news is we really don't care if you're convinced or not as long as he continues playing great there.

posted a thread in TW comments section about those deleted posts,take a look

veroniquem
06-09-2008, 06:42 PM
OK, thanks

DashaandSafin
06-09-2008, 06:49 PM
I think it's because he's gone downhill a bit in the last two or three year. He's been beaten by Murray and Gasquet at Wimbledon and his opponents at Queens last year were a bit weak (Mah-who?).
It will be interesting if there is a Djokovic vs Roddick final this year at Queens.

Please, look at the draw before you speak. I cannot stand people who bash a player simply because they met a "no name" in the final. Most of the time that no name beat many good players to reach there, showing that they are better than that player at that current time. Mahut beat Nadal that tourny, enough said.

J-man
06-09-2008, 06:49 PM
Why is he considered the 4th best grass player? I understand that Federer and Nadal have done something on the surface, but what had djokovic done? If djokovic and Roddick meet, Roddick will own him for two sets and Djoko will retire like he always has. He can't handle the deadly serve and forehand combo.Probably because of his slump of results for the past few years at Wimby. I would say he is at least #3 grasscourt player in the world. I would like to see a match up against Nadal. That would solidify his position at, #2, given he wins of course.

Tshooter
06-09-2008, 08:37 PM
Maybe because Djokovic can hit a backhand and sorta volley and Roddick only fakes it?

coloskier
06-10-2008, 08:52 PM
What nonsense. There is no reason for him to be rated the 2nd favorite at any of the slams. He has ended the last two years ranked #6 in the world and he has been miles behind Nadal in ranking points for several year, and Djokovic for almost a year now. At the last 2 Wimbledons he has lost in the 3rd round and the quarters.

Nadal was in the finals the last 2 years, taking Federer to 4 and 5 sets. Nadal is just coming off his most dominant French Open title run ever, much moreso then the last 2 years when he totally outdid Roddick at Wimbledon. Recent head to head they are even 1-1 on Nadals worst surface of hard courts, and Nadal very comfortably outclassed and won their meeting on what constitutes a normal hard court, Roddick winning on a lightning court that doesnt exist hardly anywhere else on tour these days.

Djokovic was in the semis last year and is a much better player a year later. Roddick hasnt been that far in Wimbledon since 2005 now. Djokovic battled through people like Baghdatis and Hewitt at last years Wimbledon, similar current caliber grass courters to the ones Roddick could not beat the last two years, Murray and Gasquet, and as I said Djokovic is only alot better now. Djokovic has been in the semis or better of his last 5 slams, while Roddick hasnt been to the semis of any slam in a year and a half now.

Yet Roddick is underrated to only be a 4th favorite (at most) by people. Hogwash.

I believe that both Hewitt and Baghdatis are ranked far below Murray and Gasquet. And Roddick only lost one round earlier than Djokovic, who had a much easier draw to the semis. One of the only reasons that Roddick hasn't been in the semis in the past 2 years (besides Gasquet) is that he has keeps drawing Fed in the quarters and has yet to match up against Nadal or Djokovic on his side of the draw in the quarters. I guarantee that besides Fed, Roddick is the last person anyone wants to see in their side of the draw in Wimbledon (and USO). Maybe this time Nadal will actually have to play a highly ranked (top 20, Roddick, Blake, Stepanek) flat hitter before the finals of something besides a clay court for once. Same for Djoker.

tacou
06-10-2008, 09:11 PM
If Nadal doesn't win Wimbledon, Andy will.

anointedone
06-10-2008, 11:17 PM
I believe that both Hewitt and Baghdatis are ranked far below Murray and Gasquet.

What really matters is where they were ranked when they played Roddick and Djokovic at Wimbledon. Murray was ranked only #44 in the world when he beat Roddick at Wimbledon in 2006. Gasquet was ranked #14 in the world when he beat Roddick at Wimbledon in 2007. Baghdatis and Hewitt were ranked #16 and #19 respectively when Djokovic beat them at Wimbledon. So Murray was in fact ranked much lower then either when he beat Roddick at Wimbledon, and Gasquet was not ranked much higher. Regardless the main thing is on grass all 4 of those would fall in about the same level currently.

And Roddick only lost one round earlier than Djokovic, who had a much easier draw to the semis.

Hogwash on the much easier draw. Roddick played two players ranked outside the top 100 in the first two rounds. In the 3rd round Djokovic played Kiefer and Roddick played Verdasco. Kiefer is a much better and more dangerous grass court player then Verdasco. In the 4th round Djokovic played Hewitt and Roddick played Mathieu. Again no comparision, former Wimbledon Champion, even at this point in his career, is by far the tougher grass court opponent of those two. In the quarters Roddick played Gasquet and Djokovic played Baghdatis. Baghdatis had already been to a slam final and slam semi at the time of this match, and had been a semifinalist the previous year. There is zero basis for saying Gasquet was the tougher opponent in a slam quarterfinal, and quite frankly if you saw the match Baghdatis played atleast as outstandingly in narrowly losing to Djokovic as Gasquet did to narrowly beat Roddick, maybe even better. Djokovic overall had the much harder draw with atleast equally tough opponents in every single round, and much harder 3rd and 4th round opponents.

One of the only reasons that Roddick hasn't been in the semis in the past 2 years (besides Gasquet) is that he has keeps drawing Fed in the quarters and has yet to match up against Nadal or Djokovic on his side of the draw in the quarters.

Well then again Djokovic is the one who can beat Federer in straight sets in a slam semifinal on hard courts. Can Roddick do that? Nadal is the one who can take Federer to 5 sets in a Wimbledon final, and have Federer do no better then win a tiebreak set for 4 sets. Has Roddick shown he can do this ever? Yeah I thought so. You might want to ponder why this is.

I guarantee that besides Fed, Roddick is the last person anyone wants to see in their side of the draw in Wimbledon (and USO). Maybe this time Nadal will actually have to play a highly ranked (top 20, Roddick, Blake, Stepanek) flat hitter before the finals of something besides a clay court for once. Same for Djoker.

Nadal did have a hell draw for him last year. He played Youzhny and Berdych who are hard flat hitters who he has huge trouble with on hard courts. He beat Soderling in the 3rd round, another hard flat hitter. Those are easily tougher opponents for him then Stepanek, and just as tough as Blake (who he has beaten the last 2 times he played on hard courts btw, so dont hold out much hopes on grass if they meet).

As for Djokovic your easy draw references to him last year were nonsense as I have already shown, especialy compared to Roddick's, so I will leave it at that.

You really think Nadal or Djokovic would say they would be more worried about playing Roddick then each other. LOL!

superman1
06-10-2008, 11:23 PM
Well then again Djokovic is the one who can beat Federer in straight sets in a slam semifinal on hard courts. Can Roddick do that?

Roddick might have been able to do that if they had met in Australia. That was Federer at his worst.

I would still say Djokovic is the better grasscourter. In fact, if Djokovic hadn't had the foot blisters, I would have taken him over Nadal in the semis. My prediction is that Djokovic will own Nadal outside of clay. And on clay, he'll play him closer than anyone else.

Ocean Drive
06-11-2008, 05:27 AM
Unlike Djokovic, Roddick has actually been in a Wimbledon final, and defeated Djokovic the last time they played this year. Of course Roddick also beat Nadal this year, too. So why shouldn't he be #2 behind Fed?

for somebody so cautious about spelling and grammar you could have atleast spelled federer correctly

sillymonkey
06-11-2008, 12:20 PM
I don't want to make any Roddick fans angry, but I just don't see him winning Wimbledon. sorry. He's got his serve, and that's really about it.

To whomever posted about Roddick not getting "respect" or whatever term you used, it's because he's pretty much an arrogant punk; especially when he's playing lower ranked guys, he really acts like a bully. Just my opinion.

NamRanger
06-11-2008, 12:48 PM
I don't want to make any Roddick fans angry, but I just don't see him winning Wimbledon. sorry. He's got his serve, and that's really about it.

To whomever posted about Roddick not getting "respect" or whatever term you used, it's because he's pretty much an arrogant punk; especially when he's playing lower ranked guys, he really acts like a bully. Just my opinion.


Oh god and Novak is an angel right?

sillymonkey
06-11-2008, 01:15 PM
who said anything about Djokovich?
I was merely responding to the posts about Roddick not getting respect on these boards.
Again, it's just my opinion.

NamRanger
06-11-2008, 01:38 PM
who said anything about Djokovich?
I was merely responding to the posts about Roddick not getting respect on these boards.
Again, it's just my opinion.


Roddick has more then a serve. He has been a consistent figure in the top 10 for like what, 5-6 years now? I just love it when people have no idea what they are talking about.

andyroddick1
06-11-2008, 11:26 PM
Yeah Roddick sucks on grass when has won Queens I don't know maybe 4 times and Queens is probably the grass court which resembles the old times the most. Wimbledon grass courts suck. I would love to see Nadal or even Djokovic try to play Roddick on grass if the courts were like they were in the 90's. They would get killed worse than Roddick did in 07 Aussie semis.

Vlad
06-11-2008, 11:37 PM
I don't think he's under rated on grass. Last year he was 2 games from being in the semi's! He just choked, in that quarterfinal against Gasquet, we talk about how he was winning all these backhand winners and gasquet did this and that..if you watched the match you know that Roddick took a mental dump! You don't lose a match being 2 set up and break in the 3rd to a player like gasquet who's never won anything that wasn't given to him.

I feel if Roddick get his shoulder right he'll make a run to the final's no matter who he plays. I think Fed's game has dipped to the point that Roddick is right there with him on grass.


Next post.

Vlad
06-11-2008, 11:55 PM
I don't think he's under rated on grass. Last year he was 2 games from being in the semi's! He just choked, in that quarterfinal against Gasquet, we talk about how he was winning all these backhand winners and gasquet did this and that..if you watched the match you know that Roddick took a mental dump! You don't lose a match being 2 set up and break in the 3rd to a player like gasquet who's never won anything that wasn't given to him.

I feel if Roddick get his shoulder right he'll make a run to the final's no matter who he plays. I think Fed's game has dipped to the point that Roddick is right there with him on grass.



It was Gasquet who was in "mental dump" as you call it during first couple of sets. He was choking badly up until he was down a break in third set and then started playing tennis he is capable of on grass. Even though last 3 sets appeared close in score, it was anything but close... Gasquet absolutely crushed him in both tiebreaks in 3rd and 4th set and had much much better stats in every department in 5th set. Roddick could just barely hold on to his serve from middle of third set on.

As far as Roddick, he will be coming in 4th favorite behind Fed, Nadal and Novak by a wide margin. Those 3 have separated themselves from the rest by a country mile.

SikSerb
06-12-2008, 12:03 AM
Roddick might have been able to do that if they had met in Australia. That was Federer at his worst.

I would still say Djokovic is the better grasscourter. In fact, if Djokovic hadn't had the foot blisters, I would have taken him over Nadal in the semis. My prediction is that Djokovic will own Nadal outside of clay. And on clay, he'll play him closer than anyone else.

Exactly my thoughts. Djokovic took the first set off Nadal even with all those blisters, if it hadnt been all those days in a row of play i'd say he would've reached the finals.

To say Roddick can beat Federer, Nadal or Djokovic at grass is a laugh man.. Dont see the logic in it at all. He hasnt given us any type of indication that he can, lol it just aint going to happen.