View Full Version : "You can't be serious!" Serbia nonsense.

jaap deboeck
06-09-2008, 10:30 AM
IVANOVIC: 1st Serbian #1;1st Serb woman to win a slam…blah, blah…

Novi Sad is the 2nd largest city in Serbia. Monica SELES (remember her?) was born there and spent as much time there as Ivanovic spent in Belgrade. Monica spoke Serbian. Serbia was in 1990 the dominant component of the then Jugoslavia!

Seles was #1 many tnmes and, as we know, won 9 slams in the early to mid 90's. She was an order of magnitude better and vastly more important to the sport than Ivanovic by age 21!

Seles and Jankovic went as kids to Florida to live and train while Ivanovic went to Switzerland (financed by a German businessman) and Novak went to Germany. What’s the difference?

06-09-2008, 10:34 AM
Did Seles played representing Serbia's flag?? :rolleyes:

06-09-2008, 10:39 AM
The difference is that she was citizen of Yugoslavia as the country was named back then, comprised of many todays countries ( Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia .. ) and she played under that name. Today the country is Serbia, its about 4 times smaller and independent. And Ivanovic is Serbian by origin also, which can not be said for Seles ( orgin Hungarian ), otherwise she would probably be credited for it as people are in other sports. When athletes do state explicitly that they are serbs or croats for example, they are credited.

Also add to this that she took US citizenship in 1994, let's say for whatever reason - its a personal decision. So in a sense Ivanovic really is the first Serbian nr1.

06-09-2008, 10:43 AM
Yeah not to forget. Next time, if something makes no sense to you - it's not straightforward nonsense. It's just you.

06-09-2008, 10:44 AM
Seles played for Yugoslavia, which, although it incorporated Serbia, is different from the Serbia of today, for the reasons stated above, so Ivanovic is technically the first serbian woman to win a slam and become number 1 representing Serbia.

Also Seles is ethnically Hungarian, spoke Hungarian, refered to herself as Hungarian and took US citizenship in 1994 and then joint US and Hungarian citizenship in 2007, so she isn't really Serbian at all.

06-09-2008, 10:46 AM
Seles was playing for Jugoslavia. Serbia was then still part of Jugoslavia. That is why.

That being said I agree with the OP. Monika Seles is the first #1 woman from Serbia. And we are proud of her and still love her.

However, she is really not a "Serb woman" since she is of Hungarian descent. I think that is why she, understandably, still prefers to be referred as from Jugoslavia rather than Serbia.

Please don't start any flames about politics or weather she is Hungarian or Serbian or Jugoslavian. I mentioned this only to try to explain why is Monika sometimes not mentioned as first woman from Serbia to be #1.