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tennisntn3477
06-10-2008, 01:33 PM
Did a search here - don't see anything mentioning Powerbridge. On Voelkl-tennis.com, there is description of a new racquet line from Volkl using the DNX at 6 o'clock.

Link for the Powerbridge 10 racquet is below:
http://www.voelkl-tennis.com/cms/front_content.php?client=1&lang=1&idcat=193&idart=876&m=&s=

Nice update to their bags as well. Anyone else heard anything about this? Potential for US distribution?

richie65
06-10-2008, 01:54 PM
I see a new addition to my Volkl 10 collection....

2x Tour 10 Gen II
VEngine MidPlus
VEngine Mid
DNX Mid...

and counting.

gonzalocatalino
06-10-2008, 02:04 PM
nice paintjob! new string pattern ...

http://www.voelkl-tennis.com/cms/upload/2008/web08/racquets/pb10.jpg

drak
06-10-2008, 02:10 PM
Looks like there is a Powerbridge 8 and 4 as well. Gotta keep up with the Becker line eh?

mdjenders
06-10-2008, 02:26 PM
Website says: "At Völkl, 10 stands for ultimate and absolute tournament-level performance!"

First thing that popped into my head was "but the becker goes to 11"

fortunecookiesjc
06-10-2008, 02:27 PM
What the heck happened to this one??
http://www.voelkl-tennis.com/cms/front_content.php?client=1&lang=1&idcat=193&idart=871&m=&s=

sargeinaz
06-10-2008, 03:55 PM
Thats a damn good looking stick. NBMJ drop some info please if you can.
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NoBadMojo
06-10-2008, 04:18 PM
What the heck happened to this one??
http://www.voelkl-tennis.com/cms/front_content.php?client=1&lang=1&idcat=193&idart=871&m=&s=

That's the new Power Arm

Thats a damn good looking stick. NBMJ drop some info please if you can.

I dont have complete info yet. I usually get the new stuff a month or two before it hits the States. I believe this will be a really nice hit. I think it comes from the Gen1 tool like the dnx10MP. I like that they tweaked the stringbed and came up w. a 16x20....that may likely take care of the loosey goosey feeling of the Gen1, and the Powerbridge and less dense stringbed, will likely improve the ball feel and boost the low power level of the dnx10MP.

meh
06-10-2008, 06:04 PM
NBMJ, the spec says 16x20, but the picture is 18x20. Which is it?

bagung
06-10-2008, 06:15 PM
seems like they mistype on the spec....?
the pic is definetly 18x20

NoBadMojo
06-10-2008, 06:24 PM
NBMJ, the spec says 16x20, but the picture is 18x20. Which is it?

not sure. i'm guessing it will be a 16mains frame. they're doing an 18m's frame with the Becker11MP

TheShaun
06-10-2008, 06:33 PM
What the heck happened to this one??
http://www.voelkl-tennis.com/cms/front_content.php?client=1&lang=1&idcat=193&idart=871&m=&s=

there was a snauwaert that looked like that. i saw a couple used ones not long ago.

ericsson
06-10-2008, 11:10 PM
Strange they come out with a new line and the players under contract are gone or play without stencils...Mojo do you have more info about that part?

NoBadMojo
06-11-2008, 05:09 AM
Strange they come out with a new line and the players under contract are gone or play without stencils...Mojo do you have more info about that part?

I dont have any specific info other to say that Boris Becker and others at Volkl/Becker think they would rather put their money into the product and the bottom line instead of buying lots of pros to play their gear. They realize that a small company doesnt have a bunch of money to throw around to buy pros and know that there are only a small handful of pros who seriously affect racquet sales. Other companies have much bigger wallets to buy pros with.

ericsson
06-11-2008, 06:05 AM
There will be a light version of the 10 serie too:

Head Size: 630 cm2 | 98 in2
Cross section: 19 mm
Length: 68,5 cm | 27 in
Weight: 325 g | 11.5 oz
Balance: 31 cm | 1.3 inches HL
String Pattern: 18 x 20 PCP


630 cm2 | 98 in2
19 mm
68,5 cm | 27 in
295 g | 10.4 oz
32 cm | 0.9 inches HL
18 x 20 PCP

Automatix
06-11-2008, 07:35 AM
I dont have any specific info other to say that Boris Becker and others at Volkl/Becker think they would rather put their money into the product and the bottom line instead of buying lots of pros to play their gear. They realize that a small company doesnt have a bunch of money to throw around to buy pros and know that there are only a small handful of pros who seriously affect racquet sales. Other companies have much bigger wallets to buy pros with.

I don't know about the "putting money into the product" part but buying players isn't really going to drive the sales through the roof unless it's a grand slam winner with character. For example I don't think Tecnifibre will sell more frames because Baghdatis promotes them. Ohh yeah he has charisma but he just doesn't win much.

Personalities already have good contracts:
Federer & Djokovic - Wilson
Rafael Nadal - Babolat
Ivanovic - Yonex
Sharapova - Prince

Some frames just sell because of their heritage e.g. Head Prestige but if let's say the MG Prestige Mid had a more charismatic user it would do it good but even without amazing players endorsing this frame it will sell good. Of course some will say that Safin still plays blah blah blah... but he hasn't come up with spectacular results.

A player can have good results and still there won't be a decent rise in sales.

Example for my country... Agnieszka Radwańska is currently the most known player from Poland (the second highest ranked WTA player using Babolat) although we have a good doubles team (Matkowski & Fyrstenberg), a good junior player (Jerzy Janowicz, who lost in the final of the French Open). And guess what? Yeah Babolat is popular here but not because of these players but personalities like Nadal. The best selling racquets are the PD and APD, no one even looks at the Drive Z Tour Radwańska's playing with.

To sum up! All I wanted to say is that a good frame will always find a buyer no matter who plays with it. Sure known players will drive the sales but that's a game for the biggest companies only. Tecnifibre, Voelkl/BB, Gamma, Fischer, Dunlop should focus on making good quality products. In the end good recreational etc. players know that they buy a racquet because it fits their game and not because "Mr.X" is playing with it.

NoBadMojo
06-11-2008, 07:45 AM
There will be a light version of the 10 serie too:

Head Size: 630 cm2 | 98 in2
Cross section: 19 mm
Length: 68,5 cm | 27 in
Weight: 325 g | 11.5 oz
Balance: 31 cm | 1.3 inches HL
String Pattern: 18 x 20 PCP


630 cm2 | 98 in2
19 mm
68,5 cm | 27 in
295 g | 10.4 oz
32 cm | 0.9 inches HL
18 x 20 PCP

Bummer..I was hoping these would be 16 mains frames. I think it is a mistake to make the standard one with 18mains, but the proof is in the playing.

Are these available now in Belgium/Europe?

Automatix
06-11-2008, 08:22 AM
Not yet in Poland... too bad...

ericsson
06-11-2008, 10:23 AM
Bummer..I was hoping these would be 16 mains frames. I think it is a mistake to make the standard one with 18mains, but the proof is in the playing.

Are these available now in Belgium/Europe?


Not yet, i will go to the local sportshop and ask some info, will keep you posted...

Automatix
06-13-2008, 12:07 AM
Hmmm... I just thought of something... while going through older threads and some racquets I often came up with a conclusion that the way to go is to make the hoop stiff so it's not dead (provides power etc.) and the bridge flexible for better feel and softness... am I wrong?

bagung
06-13-2008, 12:57 AM
There will be a light version of the 10 serie too:

Head Size: 630 cm2 | 98 in2
Cross section: 19 mm
Length: 68,5 cm | 27 in
Weight: 325 g | 11.5 oz
Balance: 31 cm | 1.3 inches HL
String Pattern: 18 x 20 PCP


630 cm2 | 98 in2
19 mm
68,5 cm | 27 in
295 g | 10.4 oz
32 cm | 0.9 inches HL
18 x 20 PCP


i was hoping it is 16x20 not 18x20...

Automatix
06-13-2008, 05:05 AM
i was hoping it is 16x20 not 18x20...

To each his own... I favor 18x20 string patterns... and there aren't that many flexible thin beam 18x20 frames out there...

I know I know... there are (just to name a few):

Babolat PS Ltd. - really weird specs... TW usually gives a bit higher swingweight result and they claim that it has a swingweight of about 305! It need's serious modifications... to achieve decent swingweight you'd have to put a lot of lead and you just can't put 20g on the 12 o'clock and another 20g to have a nice HL balance... with such weight distribution + low flex you're asking for a quick crack at the throat area.

Becker 11 - this frame is one of my favorites... but there's not much room for modification because it already has a nice swingweight but a bit too low HL balance... I really liked it with a leather grip, gave the frame much more maneuverability... but as I said there's not really much room for modification. It's a good frame to play stock or in my case with a leather grip to make it a bit more HL.

Dunlop Aerogel 200 - I've played my best tennis with the M-Fil 200 (heavily modified) but although the AG 200 is a good racquet I really didn't feel it was the right frame for me... there wasn't anything bad about this stick but there also wasn't anything really good, everything was ok but not spectacular etc.

Head MG Prestige MP - Weeell... you know nothing wrong with the frame, I know that 1mm beam difference isn't much but I really like 20mm or lower beam racquets. I don't like Head grip shape... funny I don't love the Voelkl grip shape either but in the end I prefer Voelkl grip shape to Heads.

Head MG Prestige Mid - Like above... this racquet is like a clone of the i.Prestige. But it's no PC 600...

Volkl DNX 10 MP - Nice racquet... I'm not crazy about the pj but it's not that bad... good feel, nice spin, only flaws are the grip shape (a Wilson/Dunlop/Yonex grip would be much better!) and this pingy sound... currently these frames are not that easy to find... not difficult but not easy either. Good for modifing, nice and medium swingweight, decent static weight... a leather grip + a little lead at 3&9 and you have a great frame.

So why not the DNX 10 MP? Because I want to compare it to the Powerbridge... if I don't like the Pb10 than at least I can try to buy the DNX 10 MPs a bit cheaper :)

NoBadMojo
06-13-2008, 06:21 AM
Hmmm... I just thought of something... while going through older threads and some racquets I often came up with a conclusion that the way to go is to make the hoop stiff so it's not dead (provides power etc.) and the bridge flexible for better feel and softness... am I wrong?

It depends on how thoughtfully/well the racquet is designed. Think there are lots of factors. personally, i think the bridge must be the trickiest area of the frame to design properly.

I understand that some of these frames will be trickling in to the States in a week or two. I dont know when gernerally available. I should have one soon, and will report my findings.

Automatix
06-13-2008, 06:36 AM
Well NBMJ any thoughts about this stick will be appreciated! I liked the BB11 but let's say this frame is a bit clumsy in my hands (balance thing, with leather it is much better but I'd still like a bit lower swingweight for modification reasons)... I miss the feeling of the 19mm beam on 10 series... I so wanted to try the BB11 Mid however it is not available here :(

NoBadMojo
06-13-2008, 07:34 AM
Well NBMJ any thoughts about this stick will be appreciated! I liked the BB11 but let's say this frame is a bit clumsy in my hands (balance thing, with leather it is much better but I'd still like a bit lower swingweight for modification reasons)... I miss the feeling of the 19mm beam on 10 series... I so wanted to try the BB11 Mid however it is not available here :(

sure..i'll do it. think we're like a lot of other 'old schoolers'. come to love the feel of thin beamed frames. they feel less...well....errrr....hollow. because well...they are less hollow.

the prob is that usually thin beamed frames are demanding from the power standpoint and are often hard to swing fast enough. i'm unwilling to sacrifice performance for ball feel (i realize many other TT's arent in this camp). that's what i like about these Volkl and Becker frames..they keep them playing in a traditional sort of way, but give you the juice.

younger people may prefer the 'more hollow' feeling frames because that is all they know. nuthin wrong w. that. some of those feel good too...the v1 is an example of a very solid fine feeling frame with a wide beam...the feel just isnt for me.

Automatix
06-13-2008, 08:04 AM
Sure..i'll do it. think we're like a lot of other 'old schoolers'. come to love the feel of thin beamed frames. they feel less...well....errrr....hollow. because well...they are less hollow.

Yeah I know what you mean... every graphite frame is like an empty shell... the wider the beam the more the empty space... more or less :)

But I love the marketing gimicks some companies use... I don't know were but some guy was so manipulated by Head ads that he wrote something like:
What I love about the MG Prestige is that it isn't hollow like other racquets because it is filled with MicroGEL. Talk about influence! ;)

the prob is that usually thin beamed frames are demanding from the power standpoint and are often hard to swing fast enough.

Well I play flat... obviously it's the reason for me to love 18x20 patterns and don't really have power issues...

...i'm unwilling to sacrifice feel for performance (i realize many other TT's arent in this camp).

That is so true! I need to enjoy the game not just win... I did beat my friends in straight sets with a less demanding racquet with more power, less feel etc. etc. but anything I hit was... well... not as rewarding... it was like a boring, consistent, no finesse game... sure they had nothing to say, even when it came to tiebreaks but I just didn't have much joy from these wins. Now when I play mids (i.Prestige Mid, Yonex RDX 500 Mid) I may make more unforced errors etc. but when I get it right it is RIGHT! It gives me much more satisfaction. But I haven't found the grail in the Mid department yet... the RDX 500 is sooo close but still I'd like it to have 18x20 pattern. The best of the two worlds I had was the M-Fil 200 but it was really modified. I had decent consistency and good, somewhat classic feel, not as good as mids etc. but decent enough. But I moved to mids for their feel and am really happy but I rememer that the DNX 10 MP was also really nice (better than the M-Fil) when it came down to the feel. So my journey continues... I'm waiting for the Pb 10 just to make sure I didn't make a mistake... if the Pb 10 won't meet my expectations I'll probably end up with the BB11 or DNX 10 MP (when I "get to know" the Pb 10 I'll probably demo the DNX and BB11 again just to be sure). Dunlops AG 200 just isn't for me... no character... no feel like in the Muscle Weave series. Ohhh MW 200G 90 (aka 100G) that is a mid... and with a 18x20 pattern! But tough to get in decent condition.

younger people may prefer the 'more hollow' feeling frames because that is all they know. nuthin wrong w. that. some of those feel good too...

Yeah I know what you mean... a bird born in a cage won't miss it's freedom because it doesn't know it.

The funny thing about Volkls is that they use HMG and they come up with good feel thanks to fiberglass etc. while Babolat uses HMG and can't make a decent feeling frame... maybe the PS Ltd. is different but it's weight distribution is sick, not for me anyway!

NoBadMojo
06-13-2008, 08:23 AM
Yeah I know what you mean... every graphite frame is like an empty shell... the wider the beam the more the empty space... more or less :)

But I love the marketing gimicks some companies use... I don't know were but some guy was so manipulated by Head ads that he wrote something like:
What I love about the MG Prestige is that it isn't hollow like other racquets because it is filled with MicroGEL. Talk about influence! ;)



Well I play flat... obviously it's the reason for me to love 18x20 patterns and don't really have power issues...



That is so true! I need to enjoy the game not just win... I did beat my friends in straight sets with a less demanding racquet with more power, less feel etc. etc. but anything I hit was... well... not as rewarding... it was like a boring, consistent, no finesse game... sure they had nothing to say, even when it came to tiebreaks but I just didn't have much joy from these wins. Now when I play mids (i.Prestige Mid, Yonex RDX 500 Mid) I may make more unforced errors etc. but when I get it right it is RIGHT! It gives me much more satisfaction. But I haven't found the grail in the Mid department yet... the RDX 500 is sooo close but still I'd like it to have 18x20 pattern. The best of the two worlds I had was the M-Fil 200 but it was really modified. I had decent consistency and good, somewhat classic feel, not as good as mids etc. but decent enough. But I moved to mids for their feel and am really happy but I rememer that the DNX 10 MP was also really nice (better than the M-Fil) when it came down to the feel. So my journey continues... I'm waiting for the Pb 10 just to make sure I didn't make a mistake... if the Pb 10 won't meet my expectations I'll probably end up with the BB11 or DNX 10 MP (when I "get to know" the Pb 10 I'll probably demo the DNX and BB11 again just to be sure). Dunlops AG 200 just isn't for me... no character... no feel like in the Muscle Weave series. Ohhh MW 200G 90 (aka 100G) that is a mid... and with a 18x20 pattern! But tough to get in decent condition.



Yeah I know what you mean... a bird born in a cage won't miss it's freedom because it doesn't know it.

The funny thing about Volkls is that they use HMG and they come up with good feel thanks to fiberglass etc. while Babolat uses HMG and can't make a decent feeling frame... maybe the PS Ltd. is different but it's weight distribution is sick, not for me anyway!

ha!..well we must agree to disagree on the feel /performance issue. i miswrote that and edited my post. i dont find joy in losing or performing less well with a racquet that feels good ...:) and i do think it possible to find racquets which give you both the feel and performance. if i was forced to lose one of those, i would sacrifice the ball feel

as to the fiberglass in the layups, that does give the racquet a softer feel for sure. i'm not so keen on the fiberglass because it is inefficient and adds weight, isnt so strong, and sucks the power right out of a frame. none of the Becker frames have fiberglass I dont think

i think when companies were looking for alternatives because of the graphite shortage/price increases, the fiberglass was a stop gap measure..i think the strategic placement of the dnx material is the better solution. (strenghthening and stiffening the frame in strategic areas). i think some other companies took the route of tastes great/less filling.......errrr....less graphite/more filler ;)

Automatix
06-13-2008, 09:05 AM
ha!..well we must agree to disagree on the feel /performance issue.

Yeah! I agree that we disagree... somewhat... explanation later on... :)

i dont find joy in losing or performing less well with a racquet that feels good ...:)

Well I don't think anyone likes to lose...

i do think it possible to find racquets which give you both the feel and performance.

Yeah and that's the explanation... I think you should try to find something which gives you the best of two world like when it comes to string hybrids. That's why I'm considering the Pb 10, DNX 10 MP and BB11... they have nice feel not as good as some mids (that part considers the BB11, DNX 10 MP although MP had excelent feel...). I mean I love my mids, the feel of the RDX 500 Mid is just awesome but a 5 set match is a fight against my opponent and myself.

i would sacrifice the ball feel

And here we disagree ;) Although I think it depends on the level you play... I play tournaments but rarely (don't have the time to keep shape etc.), when someone plays seriously than there are more factors to consider. For example... so what you can play with a 14 oz. racquet if you lose after 3-4 matches because your body can't keep up. I personally choose feel but everything has it's pros and cons.

i think when companies were looking for alternatives because of the graphite shortage/price increases, the fiberglass was a stop gap measure..i think the strategic placement of the dnx material is the better solution. (strenghthening and stiffening the frame in strategic areas). i think some other companies took the route of tastes great/less filling.......errrr....less graphite/more filler ;)

Well I'm not sure what you exactly mean but stiff strategic areas are better than an entire stiff frame.

schu47
06-13-2008, 09:36 AM
Sorry to interrupt this thread, but am trying to reach bagung, and can't find another way except to find him on one of the threads he's participating in. Bagung, I have a question on a racquet you have that you talked about a couple of years back here on TW. Can you email me at schu11@charter.net? I have an offer for you.

bagung
06-13-2008, 03:03 PM
Sorry to interrupt this thread, but am trying to reach bagung, and can't find another way except to find him on one of the threads he's participating in. Bagung, I have a question on a racquet you have that you talked about a couple of years back here on TW. Can you email me at schu11@charter.net? I have an offer for you.

email sent..

eproxy
06-14-2008, 01:04 AM
does anyone knows if a there would be a possibility of them manufacturing a 93" frame for the 10 series?

Automatix
06-14-2008, 02:04 AM
Que? Voekl DNX 10 had a Mid version (93 sq. inch), Voelkl Tour 10 V-Engine is a mid...

I don't know what you're asking... your post is mishmash...

IF you're wondering if there's gonna be a Powerbridge 10 Mid... I'm sure there will be... Voelkl should add new models to their line up with time including a Mid version of the Pb10... it possibly will be like with the BB line first the BB11 then the Mid version.

eproxy
06-14-2008, 09:28 AM
Que? Voekl DNX 10 had a Mid version (93 sq. inch), Voelkl Tour 10 V-Engine is a mid...

I don't know what you're asking... your post is mishmash...

IF you're wondering if there's gonna be a Powerbridge 10 Mid... I'm sure there will be... Voelkl should add new models to their line up with time including a Mid version of the Pb10... it possibly will be like with the BB line first the BB11 then the Mid version.

sorry...yup I was wondering if there would be a PB 10 mid

Klatu Verata Necktie
06-14-2008, 09:41 AM
I mean I love my mids, the feel of the RDX 500 Mid is just awesome but a 5 set match is a fight against my opponent and myself.

You play best of 5 set amateur tournaments in Poland? Amazing! How old are you? I'm 30 something, and I think my body would fall apart playing best of 5 set matches.

Automatix
06-14-2008, 10:35 AM
No no no! I settle for nothing less than best of 5 sets when I play my friends... of course amateur tournaments are best of 3 :) Except for some finals but the players can choose do they want to play best of 5 or 3. It depends on the schedule.

I'm 22 :) However from my friends the best playing guys age vary from 28-45.

The 35-45 guys are very skilled technically but you know nothing get's them more than Nadal style... so long rallies, long points and they fall apart. You just have to veryyy patient. :twisted:

The youngest good playing guy I play with is a 17yo kid, a lefty... good foot work, nice fluid strokes but he has the mental stability of a 5 year old kid... I mean he can go from 4 aces in a row to 4 double faults....

The whole point of using a mid and all is that I want to give everything I've got until my body can stand it.

Off-topic: Klatu is that Silver Fila Metalic bag still holding up? I sooo wanted to get one of those but they sold out quickly :(

Bud
06-14-2008, 11:57 AM
there was a snauwaert that looked like that. i saw a couple used ones not long ago.

I believe that was the last iteration of the Ellipse.

OzNQc
06-14-2008, 08:16 PM
nice paintjob! new string pattern ...

http://www.voelkl-tennis.com/cms/upload/2008/web08/racquets/pb10.jpg

LOL

So the DNX didn't work at the 3 and 9 so they chucked it into the throat for the new PB10?

Geez, you would have thought that volkl would have thought of that when they were canvassing all their options ages ago!

Oh well, maybe this PB10 will be the racquet that the T10 Gen 2 players wanted -extra oomph with the same mains head size instead of that in the T10 VE MP ;)

Automatix
06-14-2008, 11:17 PM
So the DNX didn't work at the 3 and 9 so they chucked it into the throat for the new PB10?

From Voelkl website:

"To date, the “DNX Tuning” of the rackets from Völkl Tennis has concentrated on the shaft area and the two lateral brackets on the racket head (3- and 9-o’clock positions). With POWERBRIDGE we have now also strengthened the 6-o’clock position. Integrating the yoke into the seamless main frame while still guaranteeing consistent stability is a particularly complicated task."


So I think although the pj doesn't scream that there's DNX at 3&9 o'clock it still is there...

Klatu Verata Necktie
06-15-2008, 04:24 AM
Off-topic: Klatu is that Silver Fila Metalic bag still holding up? I sooo wanted to get one of those but they sold out quickly :(

The bag is holding up very well, but I'm not using it as my main bag anymore because of the weight. It's very heavy due to the built in stand it has on it's back. If I could find a way to remove the stand, I may bring it out of retirement.

Best of 5 sets. You're a beast!

Automatix
06-15-2008, 04:37 AM
Yeah... but because of those 5 set matches I had to relieve my arm from my 380g M-Fil 200s... 3 days in a row playing these monsters and I had to take a week off...

For the time being this is my racquet:

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2645/yonexrdx500midv20zu5.jpg

But I'm currently waiting for the Powerbrigde... I need a bigger margin of error on off days while maintaining the best feel available. I have high hopes with Pb 10 (325g version).

P.S.: Sorry for the Polish text... it's from my country forum ;)

OzNQc
06-16-2008, 09:35 AM
From Voelkl website:

"To date, the “DNX Tuning” of the rackets from Völkl Tennis has concentrated on the shaft area and the two lateral brackets on the racket head (3- and 9-o’clock positions). With POWERBRIDGE we have now also strengthened the 6-o’clock position. Integrating the yoke into the seamless main frame while still guaranteeing consistent stability is a particularly complicated task."


So I think although the pj doesn't scream that there's DNX at 3&9 o'clock it still is there...

Good find there mate!

It looks like volkl could not spend the extra dough on the paint to show the DNX at 3- and 9- oclock! LOL Or, their artistic department had a few too many 1L steins and forgot about it LOL

By the way, the power bridge tech is not new just like the V-engine on my bats! Dunlop had some tech in their throats a while back. Hot melt tech? I could be wrong there but i do remember the throat being stiffer! And the DNX is not DNA LMAO What a crock of marketing #$%^! They should have thought of something a little bit more exciting!

Anyway, it is good to see something new on the volkl 10s! Maybe this PB10 MP will give that juice to the Gen 2 which it lacked compared to the VE10 MP!

happy hitting boyz! and girlZ!

Automatix
06-16-2008, 10:11 AM
It looks like volkl could not spend the extra dough on the paint to show the DNX at 3- and 9- oclock! LOL Or, their artistic department had a few too many 1L steins and forgot about it LOL

I think they wanted to make the potential buyers focus on the bridge (that is the new tech) rather than on other elements which are "expired" by that I mean the users are used to it.

By the way, the power bridge tech is not new just like the V-engine on my bats! Dunlop had some tech in their throats a while back. Hot melt tech? I could be wrong there but i do remember the throat being stiffer!

Hot Melt was a tech considering the material of the whole racquet... in short there was a special "skin" on the racquet... more or less anyway...

The technologies you're talking about (Dunlops techs that is) could be:
a) the Aerobridge system (Aerogels series)
b) Elastomer/Kevlar bridge (Hot Melt series but not Hot Melt as the technology, that's different)

And the DNX is not DNA LMAO What a crock of marketing #$%^! They should have thought of something a little bit more exciting!

Most marketing gimicks are... but some are logical e.g. Wilsons PWS, Yonex IPS and Isometric.

One last word about Powerbridge... the Powerbridge idea (stiffer bridge, more stable etc.) is a reincarnation of the V throat which was supposed to do similiar things e.g. enhance power, stability etc.

And I find your negative attitude rather disturbing... why force stupid ideas of marketing madmen when you can incorporate some good no nonsense techs?

vsbabolat
06-16-2008, 10:46 AM
The whole V-Engine was a return to the orginal Voelkl throat design from the 70's and 80's.
http://www.80s-tennis.com/pages/voelkl-explosiv.html
http://www.80s-tennis.com/pages/voelkl-soft.html
http://www.80s-tennis.com/pages/voelkl-85-86_7.html
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/1228652.jpg

The Powerbridge 10 does look interesting. I hope it does not make a loud ping like the other DNX racquets I hit with.

NoBadMojo
06-16-2008, 11:26 AM
The Powerbridge 10 does look interesting. I hope it does not make a loud ping like the other DNX racquets I hit with.

Pretty much all racquets ping w.o a string damp installed. That's just high frequency stringbed buzz. Also, obviously tighter tensions make the frequency of the stringbed even higher

I doubt that the Powerbridge racquets will ping since the other DNX ones dont <with a string damp installed>, save for when the sweetzone is missed, and not all of them do that anyway no matter how bad someone slaps the ball around the stringbed

vsbabolat
06-16-2008, 12:07 PM
Pretty much all racquets ping w.o a string damp installed. That's just high frequency stringbed buzz. Also, obviously tighter tensions make the frequency of the stringbed even higher

I doubt that the Powerbridge racquets will ping since the other DNX ones dont, save for when the sweetzone is missed, and not all of them do that anyway no matter how bad someone slaps the ball around the stringbed

The racquets I use don't ping!:razz: My racquets make a loud thud at contact with no buzz. I will not use a racquet that pings. In the many, many years of playing tennis I have not used dampeners.:twisted: If the racquets makes that loud ping noise at contact in the sweet spot IMHO it was not design correctly.:razz:

The DNX racquets I hit with had a metallic ping to them. I thought the DNX9 had the loudest and worst ping.

OzNQc
06-16-2008, 09:31 PM
I think they wanted to make the potential buyers focus on the bridge (that is the new tech) rather than on other elements which are "expired" by that I mean the users are used to it.



Hot Melt was a tech considering the material of the whole racquet... in short there was a special "skin" on the racquet... more or less anyway...

The technologies you're talking about (Dunlops techs that is) could be:
a) the Aerobridge system (Aerogels series)
b) Elastomer/Kevlar bridge (Hot Melt series but not Hot Melt as the technology, that's different)



Most marketing gimicks are... but some are logical e.g. Wilsons PWS, Yonex IPS and Isometric.

One last word about Powerbridge... the Powerbridge idea (stiffer bridge, more stable etc.) is a reincarnation of the V throat which was supposed to do similiar things e.g. enhance power, stability etc.

And I find your negative attitude rather disturbing... why force stupid ideas of marketing madmen when you can incorporate some good no nonsense techs?

Yes I agree about getting customers to focus on the Powerbridge! However, if this is the case, why is the DNX still highlighted in black above the handle just like previous models?

Good you cleared up the dunlop stuff but the kevlar/elastomer bridge is in principle still acting like the powerbridge ;)

I absolutlely agree that some technology can be beneficial but hey man, if the PB was meant to do similar things to the V-engine than why discard the VE? LOL
I would like to think here that the PB may give a power boost to the Gen 2 frame without having the longer mains as result of the VE! When my T10 VE MP bats die, the T10 PB may be the go!

By the way, I find my negative and positive attitudes quite refreshing unlike you! A spade is a spade! Now if you think DNX is DNA than I think you should go back and do some high school biology and chemistry ;) What happens if the DNX mutates?? Are you going to get 3 heads on the racket? LMAO Finally, I think you need to restructure your last sentence or look at its logic or read my post more carefully because you have essentially supported my argument!

Happy hitting mate and make sure to have a laugh as I do!

Automatix
06-16-2008, 11:52 PM
Yes I agree about getting customers to focus on the Powerbridge! However, if this is the case, why is the DNX still highlighted in black above the handle just like previous models?

I have only the picture from Voelkls site and don's see highlighted DNX...

Good you cleared up the dunlop stuff but the kevlar/elastomer bridge is in principle still acting like the powerbridge ;)

Ohhh so you were thinking about the elastomer/kevlar bridge... good we figured it out.

I absolutlely agree that some technology can be beneficial but hey man, if the PB was meant to do similar things to the V-engine than why discard the VE? LOL

Well you know it's like this... many so called new technologies are supposed to give better feel stability etc. Head had Twin Tubes than additionally Liquidmetal and now only MicroGEL... they are supposed to do the same so why change every two years to different techs? Or how many different companies introduced techs which were supposed to make the strings move more and provide power and feel Woofer, Rollers, Muscle Power, Bug Grommets etc. You know how it is... some people really go for "Innovative, new, amazing bla bla bla..." technologies. I think it's just a move to make you "experience the new" (Fallout :).

By the way, I find my negative and positive attitudes quite refreshing unlike you! A spade is a spade!

I just find the all negative stance rather... well silly! We can't discard all possible changes until we verify it they're worth it, you know what I mean? It's new so try it... you don't like it? Go back to your old frame.

Now if you think DNX is DNA than I think you should go back and do some high school biology and chemistry ;) What happens if the DNX mutates?? Are you going to get 3 heads on the racket? LMAO Finally, I think you need to restructure your last sentence or look at its logic or read my post more carefully because you have essentially supported my argument!

Now you are taking to seriously what the marketing guys are saying... every technology has to have a catchy way of presenting itself... how would it look if Wilson said in their comercials they basically use sand for their racquets (SiO2 bonding etc. nCode was it?). All advertised techs have to draw your attention somehow and that's the way Voelkl chose. And you are overinterpreting the Genetic Power line... there is no mention it's DNA, because as stated it's another form of Graphite.

OzNQc
06-17-2008, 03:42 AM
Check out the section above the handle on all DNX racquets = different colour and shape = DNX added there from memory! I could be wrong but hey that's how i remembered it!

The Elastomer/kevlar bridge thing is something you clarified! Nonetheless, your posts make me wonder if you understood my point! Old 'technologies' but perhaps the better word is 'principles' come back a a la elastomer/kevlar bridge, PWS and V-engine. By the way, V-engine looks like it has come back twice from memory!!!! And in this case, why bring it back if it had already been the newest tech??? In this case as for other racquet companies, it is to try and make a good racquet AND most importantly to drive SALES to create PROFIT which is the bottomline = changes in racquets every 2 years or whenever the company chooses!!!
We need this turnover as one means to keep us enthusiasts interested in the sport just like formuala 1 or your everyday cars as you and others already know!

A spade is a spade with the racquet tech-> "principles" and it is not a negative comment! It is a considered mature response that I would have expected you to understand too since you play so much tennis! Anyway, the most important variable here is the feel in your hand! And personally, why bother changing something when it is not broken! However, like all other things racquets have a finite life! In this respect, I am all FOR trying out new racquets whatever technology when the time comes! It is the feel in the hand that counts!

As to the marketing remark, I do take it seriously as to what the marketers say because I will be paying for their supposed performance enhancing claims! LOL Would you buy a BMW M3 that is marketed to have a supercharger to improve performace but in the end it really did not improve performance?? Actually, i would like to see a wilson commercial like you have outlined because alot of people probably don't know where the silicone dioxide comes from LMAO In fact, if they made an advertisement like that and it was funny, it would drive sales in that range even more because people would take even more notice! And Genetic Powerline is a form of graphite???? Keyword is GENETIC there! GENETIC means GENE origins = DNA!!!!!! Maybe Volkl should have put some of Jiri Novak's and Radek Stepanek's DNA in there LMAO Geez, why don't we chuck in BOOM BOOM Becker's DNA in there too just for good measure! He owns half the company! WORDS are IMPORTANT!

Mate..... just try the PB 10 and tell us about it! Pure and simple! Maybe you'll come up with your PB (personal best!)

I am off to play some tennis tomorrow with my tried and trusted T10 VE MPs so...

Cheers to you and everyone!

Happy hitting!

Automatix
06-17-2008, 05:01 AM
Mate..... just try the PB 10 and tell us about it! Pure and simple!

As soon as it comes out here... currently it's not available yet... :(

Cheers!

NoBadMojo
06-17-2008, 05:11 AM
It's nice to see them putting energies and technology into both the Volkl and Becker lines <as I said they would do all along>.

It is also nice to see that every Volkl or Becker thread isnt greeted with the usual trolling by the usual trolls.

LafayetteHitter
06-23-2008, 10:21 AM
The 11.5 weight on the standard 10 is great as it allows us leather loving guys to add leather and still fall right around the 12.0 mark still maintaining a decent SW.

Automatix
06-23-2008, 11:02 AM
The 11.5 weight on the standard 10 is great as it allows us leather loving guys to add leather and still fall right around the 12.0 mark still maintaining a decent SW.

Well it depends on the leather... my personal fav is the Voelkl Leather grip and it weighs a bit... with Yonex Super Grap the feel is second to none!

m1stuhxsp4rk5
06-23-2008, 05:09 PM
when are these coming out?

ericsson
06-30-2008, 05:13 AM
some additional pics of the latest Volkl Powerbridge 10 :


http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/56/apf2320080627084132813os1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/9864/apf2320080627084135850qh7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1038/apf2320080627084137506lw6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Automatix
06-30-2008, 06:35 AM
That is one nice looking frame... :)

db379
06-30-2008, 02:49 PM
I've never been disappointed by a 10 serie. They all have their pluses and minuses, their own distinct character but they are all great racquets, and things of beauty... I'm talking mainly for the mids since this is what I play with, but I tried some of the MP and liked them too.

For me the 10 gen1 is the best, and this is what I play with. I agree with Mojo that it has a little bit of that loosey goosey feel but somehow I kind of like this feel. It's not for everyone, but for me it felt like this unique feel, and the feedback and control is amazing. A true player's racquet which gives me a lot of conifdence in matches. I don't think I ever lost a service game in a competitive match with this one... nor a match. I'm not trying to show off here, but this is how much confidence I have in this stick. Maybe even more than in my old trusty PC 600. Anyway, I'm being carried away by good old memories... I hope the PB10 will be something close to the gen1, hopefully a cross between the gen1 and the gen2.

ericsson
06-30-2008, 10:59 PM
For me the 10 gen1 is the best, and this is what I play with. I agree with Mojo that it has a little bit of that loosey goosey feel but somehow I kind of like this feel. It's not for everyone, but for me it felt like this unique feel, and the feedback and control is amazing. A true player's racquet which gives me a lot of conifdence in matches. I don't think I ever lost a service game in a competitive match with this one... nor a match. I'm not trying to show off here, but this is how much confidence I have in this stick. Maybe even more than in my old trusty PC 600. Anyway, I'm being carried away by good old memories... I hope the PB10 will be something close to the gen1, hopefully a cross between the gen1 and the gen2.

Couldn't agree more!

db379
07-01-2008, 12:25 AM
BTW, thanks for the mids Ericsson! If you ever find a couple more of these dusting in a Belgian store or German website, let me know. I think the PB10 might be a nice hit, and I still have to try the BB11 mid, but until now I think I'll stick to what works best.

ericsson
07-01-2008, 09:32 AM
BTW, thanks for the mids Ericsson! If you ever find a couple more of these dusting in a Belgian store or German website, let me know. I think the PB10 might be a nice hit, and I still have to try the BB11 mid, but until now I think I'll stick to what works best.

Roger that David.

cheers!

allrightguy
07-01-2008, 02:51 PM
The DNX racquets I hit with had a metallic ping to them. I thought the DNX9 had the loudest and worst ping.

As a user of the DNX 9 for 2 years, I can assure you that it is rather "pingy" on contact. However, a rubber-band dampener fixed that right up right away.

BTW... I love the Volkl feel but moved away because of QC issues.... the balance of my 9's (which I be strappin) was about 5 pts different. I may as well have been using two different racquet models.

ericsson
07-16-2008, 03:53 AM
The new Volkl line "Powerbridge" is now available in Europe.

ericsson
07-17-2008, 05:37 AM
And good news, prices are going down compared to the Beckers.

nCode747
07-17-2008, 06:42 AM
looks nice id buy it

ericsson
07-30-2008, 05:02 AM
Close up:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6149/dscn3488gf6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

TourTenor
07-30-2008, 08:09 AM
Close up:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6149/dscn3488gf6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Ericsson,
How about a review?
cheers

ericsson
07-30-2008, 11:46 PM
Ericsson,
How about a review?
cheers

Hi TT, well i've only spend 10 minutes with the frame inbetween rain showers so it's a little too short to give a review, first impressions were good, a very solid racket that feels good in hand, good amount of power which i really like in control rackets. Really dont understand why they put 18 x 20 in it, i mean the Becker 11 has the same pattern, looks like the Gen I mold so it's a mistery to me why no 16 x 19...

db379
07-31-2008, 05:10 AM
Hi TT, well i've only spend 10 minutes with the frame inbetween rain showers so it's a little too short to give a review, first impressions were good, a very solid racket that feels good in hand, good amount of power which i really like in control rackets. Really dont understand why they put 18 x 20 in it, i mean the Becker 11 has the same pattern, looks like the Gen I mold so it's a mistery to me why no 16 x 19...

Good to hear this one shares the same mold as the gen1. I hope it's not too stiff and powerful at the detriment of feel though. I guess Volkl went with 18*20 to give more control to the frame and tame the power... I haven't tried this one yet so that's just my guess. Keep us updated on how it plays!

NoBadMojo
07-31-2008, 05:54 AM
The Becker11 doesnt come from the gen1 Mould... The Powerbridge10 does come from the Gen1 mould however.

I too would like to see the PB10 also come in a 16x19. It would be great if it came both ways. I can certainly see why this frame is a 18x20.

TourTenor
07-31-2008, 07:21 AM
The Becker11 doesnt come from the gen1 Mould... The Powerbridge10 does come from the Gen1 mould however.

I too would like to see the PB10 also come in a 16x19. It would be great if it came both ways. I can certainly see why this frame is a 18x20.
I keep trying the 18X20 sticks but always like the play of the 16X19s. I know that could be coincidence but true. I will get more interested if they produce a 16X19 version.
And, the PB makes me think of 'Peanut Butter' not 'Powerbridge'. The marketing schtick could be... "this stick plays smooth like peanut buttah.":roll:

NoBadMojo
07-31-2008, 07:46 AM
I keep trying the 18X20 sticks but always like the play of the 16X19s. I know that could be coincidence but true. I will get more interested if they produce a 16X19 version.
And, the PB makes me think of 'Peanut Butter' not 'Powerbridge'. The marketing schtick could be... "this stick plays smooth like peanut buttah.":roll:

ha! or maybe call it the 'PB and J'? 16x19's are quite usually easier to play..other elements being about equal

ituleb
07-31-2008, 08:08 PM
NoBadMojo - I have a question for you as you are obviously the expert on Volkl/Becker frames! First off thanks for all of your contributions I have been reading up and you have a lot of great info to offer. I live in the US and truthfully don't know much about Volkl/Becker frames, for reasons mentioned in earlier posts in this thread (lack of player exposure, focus on putting more $ into product instead of ads, etc.). I have heard some great things about Volkl though and the products they offer. My local proshop carries their products and really is positive about them.

I went to their website and saw the new powerbridge series - as stated in an earlier post they are already for sale in Europe. How long does it usually take to get them in the US? Based on specs alone, I'd be interested in the Powerbridge 8 and 10. Secondly, in your opinion, what makes a Volkl/Becker frame different from the rest? I read a lot about DNX and wonder how it has an effect on a frame, from your point of view. Also, based on a bunch of posts in this forum, people seem to think that Volkl rackets are very arm friendly and comfortable. Would you agree? Finally, quality control...an issue plaguing Wilson, Prince and Babolat, in my experience. Would you say that Volkl quality control is up to par with the rest? Do you feel this new powerbridge series of frames is a superior product?

I'm a 3.5-4.0 fairly strong player, mainly play from the baseline but am getting more and more comfortable at net. I've had some TE/arm issues in the past. I, admittedly, can be a little lazy on the court at times (I live in Arizona and when it's 110 degrees F outside it's hard not to be) so I enjoy a frame that offers some forgiveness. I currently have the DNX9 and DNX8 on my demo list from Tennis Warehouse.

I recognize some of these questions may be dumb/annoying so I appreciate your time and patience. It's just hard to track down good information on Volkl products. Thanks in advance for your help - I greatly appreciate any and all guidance you could give me.

NoBadMojo
08-01-2008, 05:12 AM
NoBadMojo - I have a question for you as you are obviously the expert on Volkl/Becker frames! First off thanks for all of your contributions I have been reading up and you have a lot of great info to offer. I live in the US and truthfully don't know much about Volkl/Becker frames, for reasons mentioned in earlier posts in this thread (lack of player exposure, focus on putting more $ into product instead of ads, etc.). I have heard some great things about Volkl though and the products they offer. My local proshop carries their products and really is positive about them.

I went to their website and saw the new powerbridge series - as stated in an earlier post they are already for sale in Europe. How long does it usually take to get them in the US? Based on specs alone, I'd be interested in the Powerbridge 8 and 10. Secondly, in your opinion, what makes a Volkl/Becker frame different from the rest? I read a lot about DNX and wonder how it has an effect on a frame, from your point of view. Also, based on a bunch of posts in this forum, people seem to think that Volkl rackets are very arm friendly and comfortable. Would you agree? Finally, quality control...an issue plaguing Wilson, Prince and Babolat, in my experience. Would you say that Volkl quality control is up to par with the rest? Do you feel this new powerbridge series of frames is a superior product?

I'm a 3.5-4.0 fairly strong player, mainly play from the baseline but am getting more and more comfortable at net. I've had some TE/arm issues in the past. I, admittedly, can be a little lazy on the court at times (I live in Arizona and when it's 110 degrees F outside it's hard not to be) so I enjoy a frame that offers some forgiveness. I currently have the DNX9 and DNX8 on my demo list from Tennis Warehouse.

I recognize some of these questions may be dumb/annoying so I appreciate your time and patience. It's just hard to track down good information on Volkl products. Thanks in advance for your help - I greatly appreciate any and all guidance you could give me.

Hi..sure. you're welcome.

The two Powerbridge frames are scheduled for 08.25.2008 in the US. I've spent time w. both (more w. the PB10) and created threads containing the results of my playtests if you want to do a search for them

Suggest you add the becker V1 to your list of demos. The Powerbridge8 is an improvement to the dnx8 I think, but the dnx8 is a nice racquet. Volkl and ProKennex consider arm safety, so both of those companies are good to recommend especially for people w. a history of wrist, arm, elbow, shoulder problems. so from PK, see if they have something in your spec range to make a 4th demo.

Volkl/Becker makes great products and the dnx stuff does work. They keep evolving it with each new product in the line. The started out by putting it only in the V1 and now almost all of the line has it..if it wasnt successful, they wouldnt be doing it. There arent any quality issues with these racquets, and they are known for their comfort.

hope this helps..let us know how this works out for you

ituleb
08-01-2008, 06:00 AM
NoBadMojo: Thanks for the response. I appreciate your recommendations. I'd like to pick your brain a little more if you don't mind...

I think my issue is that I need a frame that falls between the 'tweener' and 'player' racket specs. I have a hard time finding a racket that offers more control/precision/substance than a tweener, but a little more forgiveness and mobility/maneuverability than a players racket (they always seem so heavy to me). I realize that sounds odd, but I'm having a hard time finding something. I recognize that part of this is my talent as a player, and the need to fine tune my game and continue to practice. Obviously the racket isn't going to make or break your game, and I am aware of my weaknesses and the areas of my game that I need to work on. That being said, I want to get into a good frame that will help me improve and grow with me. Based on all of this, could you narrow down the field as far as a frame that could work? I will continue to demo, of course, but I'd appreciate your direction.

I tested the Becker Pro and really liked it, but felt it might be a little too powerful for me. It did feel very nice though - great 'plow through' and feel to it. It was the first Becker/Volkl I demoed, and presume other Beckers/Volkls feel similar. What I did like about it was the forgiveness factor - I have a one handed backhand that I'm still perfecting and it was very forgiving and helpful on mis hits...I am going to try the DNX8 and Powerbridge 8, the DNX 9, and the Powerbridge 10. Also I'm going to try out the V1 per your recommendation, and possibly a Becker 11 Light. Am I on the right track with this?!

Thanks again.

NoBadMojo
08-01-2008, 08:03 AM
NoBadMojo: Thanks for the response. I appreciate your recommendations. I'd like to pick your brain a little more if you don't mind...

I think my issue is that I need a frame that falls between the 'tweener' and 'player' racket specs. I have a hard time finding a racket that offers more control/precision/substance than a tweener, but a little more forgiveness and mobility/maneuverability than a players racket (they always seem so heavy to me). I realize that sounds odd, but I'm having a hard time finding something. I recognize that part of this is my talent as a player, and the need to fine tune my game and continue to practice. Obviously the racket isn't going to make or break your game, and I am aware of my weaknesses and the areas of my game that I need to work on. That being said, I want to get into a good frame that will help me improve and grow with me. Based on all of this, could you narrow down the field as far as a frame that could work? I will continue to demo, of course, but I'd appreciate your direction.

I tested the Becker Pro and really liked it, but felt it might be a little too powerful for me. It did feel very nice though - great 'plow through' and feel to it. It was the first Becker/Volkl I demoed, and presume other Beckers/Volkls feel similar. What I did like about it was the forgiveness factor - I have a one handed backhand that I'm still perfecting and it was very forgiving and helpful on mis hits...I am going to try the DNX8 and Powerbridge 8, the DNX 9, and the Powerbridge 10. Also I'm going to try out the V1 per your recommendation, and possibly a Becker 11 Light. Am I on the right track with this?!

Thanks again.

yes..def the right track. think you will like the dnx9...it's very controllable, not hard to swing, and offers a good amount of power which you can control w. various strings and tension. I like frames like that..ones that work well with a broad tension range and various string types.
there is also a thread i created about customizing the becker11Light..that's what i am playing now. not only does that frame play well with lots of strings and tensions, but is also is very easy to customize.

Automatix
08-01-2008, 01:07 PM
And I am still waiting for the Powerbridge line here... nothing yet and it's a bit frustrating...

ericsson
08-02-2008, 12:03 AM
And I am still waiting for the Powerbridge line here... nothing yet and it's a bit frustrating...

Automatix, i see you are located in Poland, check with your local Volkl dealer, as i said they are out now in Europe...

shiva29
08-02-2008, 07:45 AM
i can't find any volkl powerbridge frames on european tennis dealers! quite weird as someone told us that they are now out in

ericsson
08-02-2008, 07:51 AM
i can't find any volkl powerbridge frames on european tennis dealers! quite weird as someone told us that they are now out in

It's not weird at all, i checked with the Benelux dealer, their in stock now...

click here (http://www.**********s.de/Tennisschlaeger/VOeLKL) (replace the **** with t e n n i s s h o p)
and here (http://www.quartzsports.co.uk/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=15&Itemid=10015) to name a few...

NoBadMojo
08-02-2008, 07:58 AM
perhaps there is a delay...that often happens w. new racquets and new products in general

i spent quite a bit of time w. the Powerbridge10 and created a thread about it for those who wish to do a search. it's a nice frame.