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tennis4losers
06-10-2008, 05:02 PM
While I enjoy using Wilson frames, I propose a petition against them due to their poor quality control on their products. Those who agree, please say something (for example how a racket's spec was way off) and hopefully someone at Wilson Headquarter sees this and does something.

feyya
06-10-2008, 05:03 PM
Wilsons headquarters ,unfortunatly, would not give a sh1t what this message boards has to say.

AlpineCadet
06-10-2008, 05:06 PM
They're mass produced in China. If you want matched sticks, you're going to have to ask for them and/or pay the small labor fees.

meowmix
06-10-2008, 05:39 PM
Matey, good luck with this. It's going to fail miserably, but good luck anyways.

Nitro
06-10-2008, 05:54 PM
You are wasting your time.

netman
06-10-2008, 05:54 PM
Yep. Good old Chinese manufacturing. Labor is so cheap, the mindset is to make 100, figure that 40 are poor quality and they are coming back because its cheaper to make 40 more than it is to get all 100 right the first time. And who knows, maybe the customer is too stupid to know any of those 40 are bad. Sounds kind of like Detroit in the 50s and 60s, doesn't it?

-k-

tennisguy7482
06-10-2008, 05:59 PM
While I enjoy using Wilson frames, I propose a petition against them due to their poor quality control on their products. Those who agree, please say something (for example how a racket's spec was way off) and hopefully someone at Wilson Headquarter sees this and does something.

i actually thought wilson has decent quality control at +/- 7 grams......now prince on the other hand..........

nobody wants 7 grams difference, but thats why there is lead tape for fine tuning for those of us that can feel those differences in weight.

obnoxious2
06-10-2008, 06:23 PM
You are wasting your time.

Matey, good luck with this. It's going to fail miserably, but good luck anyways.

It's mindsets like these 2 which continue to allow companies feeling like they can get away with it. Keep thinking this way and they'll treat you like shiit even more. Get enough petitions, I guarantee you will see results.

meowmix
06-10-2008, 06:34 PM
Look. Statistically speaking, TW members make up maybe .05% of the tennis market. MAYBE. Even if everybody on this board signed this petition, you'd have .05% of the market petitioning against Wilson goods. Do you REALLY think that Wilson's going to care? If it were something like a quarter million people signed it, then Wilson would be forced to do something. But the problem is, the members of this board represent 90% of the people that know the grommets from the throat of a racket. The companies will completely glaze over a petition like this. Sorry, but stats are stats.

Syfo-Dias
06-10-2008, 06:43 PM
i actually thought wilson has decent quality control at +/- 7 grams......now prince on the other hand..........

nobody wants 7 grams difference, but thats why there is lead tape for fine tuning for those of us that can feel those differences in weight.

You're actually satisfied with a +/- 7 gram variance? I can't believe what people put up with from Wilson and some other companies. I've never seen more than a 1 or 2 grams difference with Yonex. In Japan some shops would actually check the weight and balance themselves and label each racquet with their exact specs. I was amazed that so many were exactly the same in weight and balance and some were only off by a gram or two. The last two Yonex sticks that I've owned have been exactly on spec; not even off by 1 gram. And yet Yonex is still able to pay their workers real world wages and keep their prices competitive with Wilson. Kind of makes you wonder.

justacityboy
06-10-2008, 06:53 PM
do you think most wilson frames fall within the +/- of 7 grams?? i don't pretend to know enough about rackets so if you guys could shed some light, that would be fantastic

2nd_Serve
06-10-2008, 07:13 PM
i actually thought wilson has decent quality control at +/- 7 grams......now prince on the other hand..........

nobody wants 7 grams difference, but thats why there is lead tape for fine tuning for those of us that can feel those differences in weight.

You have got to be kidding me. Mine was 17 grams off, and 4mm difference in length. Also, the balance point was off by 3 points. Luckily, I'm pretty close with my pro shop so they fixed everything up for me.

superstition
06-10-2008, 08:22 PM
I bought a Prostaff 85 that felt too light. It was a mistake.

spkyEngrish
06-10-2008, 09:38 PM
You're actually satisfied with a +/- 7 gram variance? I can't believe what people put up with from Wilson and some other companies. I've never seen more than a 1 or 2 grams difference with Yonex. In Japan some shops would actually check the weight and balance themselves and label each racquet with their exact specs. I was amazed that so many were exactly the same in weight and balance and some were only off by a gram or two. The last two Yonex sticks that I've owned have been exactly on spec; not even off by 1 gram. And yet Yonex is still able to pay their workers real world wages and keep their prices competitive with Wilson. Kind of makes you wonder.

Aaahhh yes, Yonex QC. Peeled the plastic off my RDS001 at the pro shop when I bought it, threw it on the scale they have there, and it read "325g" - exactly what was painted on the side of the racquet :) Something so cozy about knowing that you're getting exactly what you paid for.

Snuh
06-10-2008, 09:54 PM
Aaahhh yes, Yonex QC. Peeled the plastic off my RDS001 at the pro shop when I bought it, threw it on the scale they have there, and it read "325g" - exactly what was painted on the side of the racquet :) Something so cozy about knowing that you're getting exactly what you paid for.

Thats why Im happy I switched from Wilsons to Yonex's myself. Althogh I do like the Wilson paint jobs.

Dark_Angel85
06-10-2008, 10:10 PM
I just recently bought 2 frames myself... besides the HL differences (which i fixed with just 3 grammes of tape at the butt cap), they're perfectly fine.

... So, I don't follow. Or maybe I'm just lucky?
:)

RKsemiwestern
06-10-2008, 11:21 PM
omg this happens? i had no idea lol im just dumb i guess.... i have 2 aerogels ones a 500 the others a 500 tour.... should i weigh and check the balance of them?

0d1n
06-11-2008, 12:14 AM
i actually thought wilson has decent quality control at +/- 7 grams......now prince on the other hand..........

nobody wants 7 grams difference, but thats why there is lead tape for fine tuning for those of us that can feel those differences in weight.

Besides being "easily pleased" you are also not very good at mathematics. If the tolerance is +/- 7 grams that means you can have a 14 grams difference between two frames.
For anybody that's any good anything over 10 grams difference between 2 rackets that are supposed to play alike is RIDICULOUS and UNACCEPTABLE.
And trust me ... Wilson doesn't even respect that ridiculously "wide" tolerance.
Fischer frames usually have (had ... before the No Tolerance stuff) a +/- 6 grams tolerance, but I've never found any of their frames to be EVEN CLOSE to the limits of that tolerance (i.e they are within 1-3 grams of each other and of the spec ... EVERY TIME).
Seems to me that anybody who pays a big price (bigger than most Yonex/Fischer ...etc frames) for a "K-Factor" and doesn't get the seller to match it to spec is getting screwed.

PimpMyGame
06-11-2008, 12:20 AM
Wilson make their money on spoilt 14 year-olds demanding 6 Fed rackets, and wide-body ultra light granny sticks. Both sets of demographics would not care about quality control with regard to weight and balance. I admire what you plan to do, but it's doomed from the start.

kalic
06-11-2008, 12:29 AM
Who cares quality control ? They can make all plastic racquets, and it will be the best sellers. The most important thing (for most consumers) is that Fed uses it.

AlpineCadet
06-11-2008, 12:34 AM
Who cares quality control ? They can make all plastic racquets, and it will be the best sellers. The most important thing (for most consumers) is that Fed uses it.
Yeah, so why should they even bother with printing the specs on the frames? It's definitely a waste of paint if you ask me. :roll:

BreakPoint
06-11-2008, 02:56 AM
What bothers me even more are the differences in grip sizes which you notice right away. You can buy six identical racquets all marked 4 1/2 but they will feel like they're anywhere from 4 3/8 to 4 5/8.

tennisguy7482
06-11-2008, 04:07 AM
Besides being "easily pleased" you are also not very good at mathematics. If the tolerance is +/- 7 grams that means you can have a 14 grams difference between two frames.
For anybody that's any good anything over 10 grams difference between 2 rackets that are supposed to play alike is RIDICULOUS and UNACCEPTABLE.
And trust me ... Wilson doesn't even respect that ridiculously "wide" tolerance.
Fischer frames usually have (had ... before the No Tolerance stuff) a +/- 6 grams tolerance, but I've never found any of their frames to be EVEN CLOSE to the limits of that tolerance (i.e they are within 1-3 grams of each other and of the spec ... EVERY TIME).
Seems to me that anybody who pays a big price (bigger than most Yonex/Fischer ...etc frames) for a "K-Factor" and doesn't get the seller to match it to spec is getting screwed.

yes, i realize that you can have 14 grams of difference........but thanks captain obvious........they are not the worst in this area.......most good pro shops should screen racquets to customers buying more than 1.

i was just giving my 2 cents.......lighten up, were all friendly here

zapvor
06-11-2008, 04:13 AM
haha funny sig tennisguy

obnoxious2
06-11-2008, 07:56 AM
Look. Statistically speaking, TW members make up maybe .05% of the tennis market. MAYBE. Even if everybody on this board signed this petition, you'd have .05% of the market petitioning against Wilson goods. Do you REALLY think that Wilson's going to care? If it were something like a quarter million people signed it, then Wilson would be forced to do something. But the problem is, the members of this board represent 90% of the people that know the grommets from the throat of a racket. The companies will completely glaze over a petition like this. Sorry, but stats are stats.

Did I ever say limit it to just this board? Have you been to any sports stores lately? They don't or barely carry any player sticks at all. It's all 9 oz tweener racquets. So the majority of this world who's looking for player sticks are forced to go online such at TW. And you know most people will read the reviews and look on forums to find out other peoples' opinions.

And where the hell are you getting your "statisical #'s" from? You sir are underestimating the power of the internet. Few weeks ago, some BMW dealership shafted some guy who won an auction on a brand new m3 because it hadn't met their bid requirement even though they didn't set a reserve. I'm not going to go into the details since you can look it up yourself but short story, he posted his problem on a BMW forum and it spread like wildfire from there. In the end he got the car at that price.

Serpententacle
06-11-2008, 08:50 AM
My wife's wilson racquet had one side with polished finish, and the other half was rough. And YES... it IS a real Wilson. We decided not to raise a stink about it, though. The distributer (who will remain unnamed), sent us a $20 gift certificate b/c we thought it was too much of a hassle to return the racquet for an exchange.

Despite this defect, the racquet plays as it should.

Syfo-Dias
06-11-2008, 08:57 AM
My wife's wilson racquet had one side with polished finish, and the other half was rough. And YES... it IS a real Wilson. We decided not to raise a stink about it, though. The distributer (who will remain unnamed), gave us a $20 gift certificate b/c we thought it was too much of a hassle to return the racquet for an exchange.

Despite this defect, the racquet plays as it should.

Yikes, that's pretty bad even for Wilson. :shock:

Snuh
06-11-2008, 10:02 AM
My wife's wilson racquet had one side with polished finish, and the other half was rough. And YES... it IS a real Wilson. We decided not to raise a stink about it, though. The distributer (who will remain unnamed), gave us a $20 gift certificate b/c we thought it was too much of a hassle to return the racquet for an exchange.

Despite this defect, the racquet plays as it should.

Its as if someone at the factory licked the polish off one side of the frame! :shock:

Dark_Angel85
06-12-2008, 04:54 AM
To me though, if it's that big of a difference... I wouldn't buy it in the first place...

Always double check... whatever brand

YULitle
06-12-2008, 05:02 AM
OP: How is it that when people are dissatisfied with a companies product, they immediately resort to petitions or other forms of protest? Why don't you just NOT BUY THE PRODUCT. Companies don't get a crap about protest, for the most part. But, if they see it affecting their bottom line, they'll change in a heart beat. So just STOP BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS. That's the most powerful tool in your arsenal.

rooski
06-12-2008, 05:36 AM
All racket companies have some degree of QC issues when it comes to weight tolerances. It's not just Wilson. Some companies do a little better job of culling the extreme variance rackets but they still have +-5-7 grams of variance. I have been playing Wilson rackets for the better part of 30 years and I have always found the weight variances within reason and easily corrected by small amounts of lead tape if necessary. I have 5 nBlades and stock unstrung they were amazingly close in weight.

If you perfectionists need your rackets matched when buying from TW, then just ask them to do it for you. No big deal. If you buy individually of course they can't help you so you'll have to use a little lead.

For those that mentioned length discrepencies you might want to consider the fact that this has a lot to do with stringing. Some frames that are strung significantly higher on the cross strings than on the mains can become elongated on the head and therefore appear to be a few mm's long compared to stock (or shortened if the clamps weren't tight on the stringing machine). Also, if you use full poly in one identical frame and put a poly hybrid in the other it makes a difference in balance. So many variables.

Grip diameter discrepencies. In my experience...99% of this comes from the way the grip is put on at the factory. This is done by a machine but if the overlap at the bottom is a little over the line it makes the grip feel big. This of course is also easily fixed by removing the grip and reinstalling it your self. More variables.

Some of you guys are spoiled. Back in the days of wood rackets they could vary +- 1 full ounce. They grouped them into "light", "medium", and "heavy" categories but even within those groups the variances were significant. I used to take a stack of unstrung "medium" frames and feel each of them so I could pick 3 or 4 of the ones that felt right to me. Ahhh...the good old days.

0d1n
06-12-2008, 06:37 AM
OP: How is it that when people are dissatisfied with a companies product, they immediately resort to petitions or other forms of protest? Why don't you just NOT BUY THE PRODUCT. Companies don't get a crap about protest, for the most part. But, if they see it affecting their bottom line, they'll change in a heart beat. So just STOP BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS. That's the most powerful tool in your arsenal.

Agree completely...and that's exactly what I did. I haven't bought a Wilson racquet in about 1000 years, and I'm very happy with my decision.
I stay with Fischers, Dunlops, Volkls generally. Some Head, Vantage and recently bought a TF.
That's enough options for me...and all those options have been better in the QA department than Wilson.

All racket companies have some degree of QC issues when it comes to weight tolerances. It's not just Wilson. Some companies do a little better job of culling the extreme variance rackets but they still have +-5-7 grams of variance. I have been playing Wilson rackets for the better part of 30 years and I have always found the weight variances within reason and easily corrected by small amounts of lead tape if necessary. I have 5 nBlades and stock unstrung they were amazingly close in weight.

If you perfectionists need your rackets matched when buying from TW, then just ask them to do it for you. No big deal. If you buy individually of course they can't help you so you'll have to use a little lead.

For those that mentioned length discrepencies you might want to consider the fact that this has a lot to do with stringing. Some frames that are strung significantly higher on the cross strings than on the mains can become elongated on the head and therefore appear to be a few mm's long compared to stock (or shortened if the clamps weren't tight on the stringing machine). Also, if you use full poly in one identical frame and put a poly hybrid in the other it makes a difference in balance. So many variables.

Grip diameter discrepencies. In my experience...99% of this comes from the way the grip is put on at the factory. This is done by a machine but if the overlap at the bottom is a little over the line it makes the grip feel big. This of course is also easily fixed by removing the grip and reinstalling it your self. More variables.

Some of you guys are spoiled. Back in the days of wood rackets they could vary +- 1 full ounce. They grouped them into "light", "medium", and "heavy" categories but even within those groups the variances were significant. I used to take a stack of unstrung "medium" frames and feel each of them so I could pick 3 or 4 of the ones that felt right to me. Ahhh...the good old days.

You mean ... the "bad old days" don't you ?? I am aware that one can customize slightly different sticks. However, some differences are just IMPOSSIBLE to compensate. Also ... it takes time and effort to do ... and I for one am only going to do it if I have no choice, or at least I have a damn good reason to do it (i.e ...it's the only stick I can play decent tennis with, or is significantly cheaper than other options).
Given the fact that's not the case (i.e I have plenty of options, Wilson generally asks for BIGGER prices than most other companies for their "flagship" models...and STILL don't get their QA fixed ... I see no reason to change my mind about them).

TripleB
06-12-2008, 06:41 AM
While I enjoy using Wilson frames, I propose a petition against them due to their poor quality control on their products. Those who agree, please say something (for example how a racket's spec was way off) and hopefully someone at Wilson Headquarter sees this and does something.

If you order a pair (or three or four) from T-W, it doesn't matter how bad Wilson's quality control is.

You can have T-W 'match' two/three/etc. racquets to have the exact same specs.

I did this with the two nCode nPro Open racquets I just ordered. Both came to me at 10.7 ounces, 12 5/8" balance point, and a swingweight of 295. Unstrung with plastic on wrap and a vibration dampener. Since I had both strung with different strings they made sure the specs matched before stringing. Obviously the specs don't match exactly now but when I decide on a string they will.

I even ordered a third nCode nPro Open racquet yesterday and they are going to make sure the unstrung specs of it matches those of my other two.

Tennis-Warehouse is incredible when it comes to making sure racquets are exactly the same...making up for manufacturer mistakes!!

TripleB

nickb
06-12-2008, 06:47 AM
If you order a pair (or three or four) from T-W, it doesn't matter how bad Wilson's quality control is.

You can have T-W 'match' two/three/etc. racquets to have the exact same specs.

I did this with the two nCode nPro Open racquets I just ordered. Both came to me at 10.7 ounces, 12 5/8" balance point, and a swingweight of 295. Unstrung with plastic on wrap and a vibration dampener. Since I had both strung with different strings they made sure the specs matched before stringing. Obviously the specs don't match exactly now but when I decide on a string they will.

I even ordered a third nCode nPro Open racquet yesterday and they are going to make sure the unstrung specs of it matches those of my other two.

Tennis-Warehouse is incredible when it comes to making sure racquets are exactly the same...making up for manufacturer mistakes!!

TripleB

Thats the point.

TW shouldnt have to do that and people shouldnt have to pay extra to have them matched.

BreakPoint
06-12-2008, 10:41 AM
Grip diameter discrepencies. In my experience...99% of this comes from the way the grip is put on at the factory. This is done by a machine but if the overlap at the bottom is a little over the line it makes the grip feel big. This of course is also easily fixed by removing the grip and reinstalling it your self. More variables.

Actually, the ones that I have/had with differences in grip sizes, it was the handle underneath the grip itself and not the way the grip was wrapped. I removed the grips completely and the bare handles still felt like they were noticeably different in grip size even though they all had the same grip size number molded right onto the handles. All I can conclude is that their handle molds are inconsistent in size.

rooski
06-12-2008, 01:05 PM
Actually, the ones that I have/had with differences in grip sizes, it was the handle underneath the grip itself and not the way the grip was wrapped. I removed the grips completely and the bare handles still felt like they were noticeably different in grip size even though they all had the same grip size number molded right onto the handles. All I can conclude is that their handle molds are inconsistent in size.

Wow...That's pretty wierd Breakpoint. So you are saying that on an exact same model (not generations before of the same model) you have seen/felt bare handles and they were different diameters? I know some of the Wilson models have slightly different grip shapes (i.e., n6195 vs nBlade) but if you are saying you have seen, for example, two brand new K6195's of the same marked grip size with different pallet diameters then that is news to me. Never seen or felt that in my 35 years with Wilson frames....and I'm pretty picky about my rackets. Maybe I have been lucky.

BreakPoint
06-12-2008, 01:26 PM
Wow...That's pretty wierd Breakpoint. So you are saying that on an exact same model (not generations before of the same model) you have seen/felt bare handles and they were different diameters? I know some of the Wilson models have slightly different grip shapes (i.e., n6195 vs nBlade) but if you are saying you have seen, for example, two brand new K6195's of the same marked grip size with different pallet diameters then that is news to me. Never seen or felt that in my 35 years with Wilson frames....and I'm pretty picky about my rackets. Maybe I have been lucky.
Yes, and it's not just Wilson. I've had this issue with many other brands as well.

Exact same model, exact same brand, exact same marked grip size, exact same month's/year's production, all purchased at exactly the same time, yet the grip sizes can run as much as 1/8 too small or too big from each other.

I now think the grips sizes can vary as much and as often as the variances in weight and balance between frames of the same model.

nickb
06-12-2008, 01:30 PM
^ Strange. Never, ever heard of that happening. I string for a pro that uses stock nsix-one 95s...he has had over 30 of him from wilson...not heard any complaints. I also have owned over 30 wilson frames and never felt a difference. The grips are made/moulded by hi-tec machinery...dont see how they could make mistakes like you mention.

In your head?

Rafael_Nadal_6257
06-12-2008, 01:47 PM
How exactly do you get racquets matched by TennisWarehouse? Is there a link or something you have to click when you purchase them?

KerryJ
06-12-2008, 02:07 PM
In Japan some shops would actually check the weight and balance themselves and label each racquet with their exact specs.

My friend has two of the Wilson K95 X. They're both real, but one is more headlight than another. And it's painted on there, I'll get some pictures of them if I can.

PBODY99
06-12-2008, 03:46 PM
My doubles partner had the Original Wilson 6.3 95 which I tried to match with over 50 frames that came through the shop I worked at in the early 1990. He tried for over five years to find one to match the weight and balance with no luck.

Octavianus
06-12-2008, 05:06 PM
While I enjoy using Wilson frames, I propose a petition against them due to their poor quality control on their products. Those who agree, please say something (for example how a racket's spec was way off) and hopefully someone at Wilson Headquarter sees this and does something.

They are made in China, anything that is made in China IS crap. Unfortunately just about everything is made in China these days and we do not have a choice in the matter. If we want to play with Wilson racquets we are stuck with an inferior product that is Made in China. That is why knowing how to balance racquets and how to use touch up paint for when the racquets chip is so very important.

O

beedlejuice22
06-12-2008, 05:11 PM
I got an N6.2 a couple years ago and then a couple months later I got another one. The second one was so far off. It was probably .5 of an ounce different. The balance point was mainly the problem. But you would think such a big brand would have better quality control

ndtennis
06-12-2008, 06:28 PM
Big companies like Wilson know their position and they know they can get away with their horrible quality.... but yet people still buy

Rafael_Nadal_6257
06-12-2008, 06:33 PM
Again:

How exactly do you get racquets matched by TennisWarehouse? Is there a link or something you have to click when you purchase them?


They are made in China, anything that is made in China IS crap. Unfortunately just about everything is made in China these days and we do not have a choice in the matter. If we want to play with Wilson racquets we are stuck with an inferior product that is Made in China. That is why knowing how to balance racquets and how to use touch up paint for when the racquets chip is so very important.

O

So basically, since everything is made in China, and everything made in China is crap, everything is crap...okay, I got your point.

geesechops
06-12-2008, 06:41 PM
The grip size discrepancy drives me nuts because with my set up I can feel the differences immensely. I might just shave all of them down to match the smallest one.

ollinger
06-12-2008, 06:49 PM
It's odd that Wilson always leads polls on this board for favorite racquet or favorite racquet company. If they're such garbage, why are so many people here (the congnoscenti) buying them?

Syfo-Dias
06-12-2008, 07:16 PM
They are made in China, anything that is made in China IS crap. Unfortunately just about everything is made in China these days and we do not have a choice in the matter. If we want to play with Wilson racquets we are stuck with an inferior product that is Made in China. That is why knowing how to balance racquets and how to use touch up paint for when the racquets chip is so very important.

O

Or you could choose not to accept that and buy some quality stuff not made in China. For example my Yonex racquets were made in Japan, my Nokia cell phone was made in Finland, and my New Balance running shoes were made in the USA. Of course, it's not possible for everything, but a lot of non-Chinese products can still be found.

Dark_Angel85
06-12-2008, 08:39 PM
^ Strange. Never, ever heard of that happening. I string for a pro that uses stock nsix-one 95s...he has had over 30 of him from wilson...not heard any complaints. I also have owned over 30 wilson frames and never felt a difference. The grips are made/moulded by hi-tec machinery...dont see how they could make mistakes like you mention.

In your head?

I second that

I've been buying racquets for quite some time now... never once have i encountered a problem that couldn't be fixed with really minor tweaks.

and most of the time... there aren't any real problems

BreakPoint
06-12-2008, 09:23 PM
^ Strange. Never, ever heard of that happening. I string for a pro that uses stock nsix-one 95s...he has had over 30 of him from wilson...not heard any complaints. I also have owned over 30 wilson frames and never felt a difference. The grips are made/moulded by hi-tec machinery...dont see how they could make mistakes like you mention.

In your head?
No, not in my head. They all look identical so I don't know which one it is when I pick it up until I feel the grip, and the ones that are big are always big and ones that are small are always small. This is why most pros get their handles custom molded so that that are more consistent in size.

Perhaps you just don't notice the grip size differences as much as some others do?

Syfo-Dias
06-13-2008, 06:23 AM
Are you sure your Nokia phone was made in Finland? I think most are made in China or elsewhere in Asia.

Also, most NB shoes are made in China with only a few models that are assembled in the US from parts made in China.

My Nokia says "Made in Finland" under the battery and my New Balance 992's are one of the models only made in the US. Unlike some people, I actually verify my facts before posting them on the internet. :)

rooski
06-13-2008, 06:27 AM
It's odd that Wilson always leads polls on this board for favorite racquet or favorite racquet company. If they're such garbage, why are so many people here (the congnoscenti) buying them?
It's called the vocal minority.

superstition
06-13-2008, 10:31 AM
It's odd that Wilson always leads polls on this board for favorite racquet or favorite racquet company. If they're such garbage, why are so many people here (the congnoscenti) buying them?
McDonald's is really popular, yet hardly high-quality or healthy.

My first Wilson, the Pro Staff 6.0 widebody, snapped in two because of its cheaply made handle. Wilson racquets used to be solid, though. I have a St. Vincent (or Chicago) Kramer Pro Staff and it also has fiberglass in it, but unlike that widebody, it was made to last.

rrhstennis
06-13-2008, 10:42 AM
Also, most NB shoes are made in China with only a few models that are assembled in the US from parts made in China.

If a New Balance shoe simply says "Made in USA" then it has over 70% of its value (parts, labor) in the American market. If it says "Made in USA of imported materials" then it is less than 70%. Some simply say "Made in China."

I can say from personal experience most of the pairs I have worn (and I wear NB exclusively because I have size 16 EE feet) in the last several years just said "Made in USA". However, this could be due to the kind I choose, so I'm not saying that the majority of their shoes are made in USA. I am saying that the majority of the shoes they have sold me have at least 70% of their value in the American market.

Tennis_Freak
06-13-2008, 11:56 PM
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how do you explain this?

Tennis_Freak
06-14-2008, 12:01 AM
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y265/matrix2000x2/DSCF0053.jpg

Tennis_Freak
06-14-2008, 12:01 AM
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y265/matrix2000x2/DSCF0054.jpg
and that^!

Anton
06-14-2008, 06:04 AM
Want to make a statement to Wilson?

Stop buying their frames.

There are plenty other companies with plenty other rackets for you to try.

You can start with a Pk Redondo! :twisted:

roger is the king
06-14-2008, 06:27 AM
they're just business ppl they don't care.........

Hatari!
06-14-2008, 07:52 AM
What's with all the anti-chinese sentiment on this thread? I'm Chinese American and I buy "Made in China" with no guilt. The jobs in the factories are an improvement to the nth when you compare them to working in the fields. For me, it's giving back to the homeland.

As for bad wilson quality control, don't petition with signatures, petition with your wallets.

Hatari!
06-14-2008, 07:55 AM
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/04/20/96-new-balance-shoes/

SFrazeur
06-14-2008, 09:58 AM
I have noticed grip size disparages in same model Wilson racquets before. Hey, it's Wilson. . .

-SF

Octavianus
06-14-2008, 11:21 AM
Again:

How exactly do you get racquets matched by TennisWarehouse? Is there a link or something you have to click when you purchase them?




So basically, since everything is made in China, and everything made in China is crap, everything is crap...okay, I got your point.

Based on everything that I bought that was made in China, yes. But of course I did not buy everything that they manufacture.

Octavianus
06-14-2008, 11:24 AM
Your fault for being so cheap.


I am not cheap, I will gladly pay MORE for an item that is manufactured in North America, Europe or Japan.

Octavianus
06-14-2008, 11:31 AM
Or you could choose not to accept that and buy some quality stuff not made in China. For example my Yonex racquets were made in Japan, my Nokia cell phone was made in Finland, and my New Balance running shoes were made in the USA. Of course, it's not possible for everything, but a lot of non-Chinese products can still be found.

Thank you for the advise, I have already put in an order for two Yonex racquets. Based on this forum they are supposed to be of high quality. I have used Yonex in the past and I thought they were well made.

Octavianus
06-14-2008, 11:35 AM
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y265/matrix2000x2/DSCF0054.jpg
and that^!

THIS IS exactly my POINT. Tennis_Freak THANK YOU for pointing this out.

Ignorant Genius
06-14-2008, 11:36 AM
While I enjoy using Wilson frames, I propose a petition against them due to their poor quality control on their products. Those who agree, please say something (for example how a racket's spec was way off) and hopefully someone at Wilson Headquarter sees this and does something.

They aren't all that great and Wilson has come out with some really horrible racquets in the past 3 or 4 years.

Syfo-Dias
06-14-2008, 12:22 PM
What's with all the anti-chinese sentiment on this thread? I'm Chinese American and I buy "Made in China" with no guilt. The jobs in the factories are an improvement to the nth when you compare them to working in the fields. For me, it's giving back to the homeland.

As for bad wilson quality control, don't petition with signatures, petition with your wallets.

I have no problem with Chinese people at all. In fact, one of my main hitting partners is a Chinese national. What I don't like is the low quality control in OEM factories that happen to be in China. I don't blame the workers, I blame the greedy management that lower the standards like that. I'm sure the workers themselves would prefer to maker a higher quality product, but they can't or basically aren't allowed to. After WW2 Japan had a bad reputation for making poor quality products, but after time they greatly improved and became world renowned for the quality of their goods.

On another note, why is it that certain ethnic groups in America hyphenate their nationality? I mean, I don't go around saying I'm British-American just because my ancestors came from there. And I certainly have no interest in giving anything back to the queen. By the way Americans of Irish descent, don't go around telling people you're Irish because real Irish people will think you're a twat. I've known several people from Ireland who felt like that. If you were born and raised in the USA or even naturalized, then you're just American.

"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all. ... The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic. ... There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else." -Theodore Roosevelt

NoBadMojo
06-14-2008, 12:30 PM
I have no problem with Chinese people at all. In fact, one of my main hitting partners is a Chinese national. What I don't like is the low quality control in OEM factories that happen to be in China. I don't blame the workers, I blame the greedy management that lower the standards like that. I'm sure the workers themselves would prefer to maker a higher quality product, but they can't or basically aren't allowed to. After WW2 Japan had a bad reputation for making poor quality products, but after time they greatly improved and became world renowned for the quality of their goods.

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That's NOT how it works. many of the Chinese factories are capable of producing the finest products available anywhere. The companies they are making the products for TELL them what quality level to make the products along with the other aspects of the products. Or they make them of lesser quality to maximize their profits if they can get away with it. Neither of the above indicates they cant make high quality products, because they clearly can, and do. An example <and I am not saying this is true> would be that very high quality Fischer racquets could be coming from the same Chinese factory making Wilson racquets for Walmart.

Syfo-Dias
06-14-2008, 12:39 PM
That's NOT how it works. many of the Chinese factories are capable of producing the finest products available anywhere. The companies they are making the products for TELL them what quality level to make the products along with the other aspects of the products. Or they make them of lesser quality to maximize their profits if they can get away with it. Neither of the above indicates they cant make high quality products, because they clearly can, and do. An example <and I am not saying this is true> would be that very high quality Fischer racquets could be coming from the same Chinese factory making Wilson racquets for Walmart.

Yes, I know that. That's basically what I was trying to say. When I said management I was actually referring to the companies that tell them what quality to make the products. Wrong choice of words I guess. Let's not get hung up on semantics here. Realistically speaking though, other than Fischer No Tolerance and maybe a few select others, most of the racquet quality controls in China aren't great.

NoBadMojo
06-14-2008, 01:34 PM
Yes, I know that. That's basically what I was trying to say. When I said management I was actually referring to the companies that tell them what quality to make the products. Wrong choice of words I guess. Let's not get hung up on semantics here. Realistically speaking though, other than Fischer No Tolerance and maybe a few select others, most of the racquet quality controls in China aren't great.

I'm not hung up on semantics at all...this is what you said <quote> What I don't like is the low quality control in OEM factories that happen to be in China

Syfo-Dias
06-14-2008, 01:53 PM
I'm not hung up on semantics at all...this is what you said <quote> What I don't like is the low quality control in OEM factories that happen to be in China

Yeah, yeah yeah. The fact is that when it comes to tennis racquet quality control, the OEM factories in China are crap for the most part. Hence the reason this thread was started in the first place. Maybe it's the racquet companies themselves that are truly to blame, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation. There's a difference between what could be and what actually is. Therefore, since I prefer quality, I buy Yonex. But if you prefer all your racquets of the same model to have wildly varying specs, by all means buy Wilson or any other the other Chinese OEM made sticks.

BreakPoint
06-14-2008, 02:05 PM
Newsflash - the quality control of racquets were just as bad or worse when racquets were made in USA, Belgium, Austria, Taiwan, St. Vincent, France, England, etc.

In fact, the reason why Sampras preferred the St. Vincent made ProStaffs was because they were OUT OF SPEC!!!

BreakPoint
06-14-2008, 07:10 PM
Nobody cares about the PS 85 outside of a few people outside of this board. This pre-historic frame was discontinued because it didn't pay to continue to produce them when the masses will go over the K90 or whatever else Roger Federer uses.
Sure, that's why new PS 6.0 85's are selling for close to $1,000 on the big auction site. :-?

Schills
06-14-2008, 07:46 PM
I don't think Wilson is so bad. I have 3 K95s all which come in at 12.4 strung which is .1 oz off of spec. By Babolat's (PD and PDR all come in much heavier than listed and my Yonex's were also much heavier. The upside is that all the rackets weighed the same as their same brand/type. All in all, I think all the mfgs are doing a pretty good job.

Syfo-Dias
06-14-2008, 07:50 PM
I don't think Wilson is so bad. I have 3 K95s all which come in at 12.4 strung which is .1 oz off of spec. By Babolat's (PD and PDR all come in much heavier than listed and my Yonex's were also much heavier. The upside is that all the rackets weighed the same as their same brand/type. All in all, I think all the mfgs are doing a pretty good job.

Are you sure about the Yonex? I've never seen one more than a couple of grams off spec ever. Did you actually weigh it on a digital scale or are you just going by feel?

Cruzer
06-16-2008, 10:49 AM
What bothers me even more are the differences in grip sizes which you notice right away. You can buy six identical racquets all marked 4 1/2 but they will feel like they're anywhere from 4 3/8 to 4 5/8.

Yeah, that is very true. I have four Babolat APD Cortex that theoretically are all 3/8 grips but three of the four are noticeably different even all have identical TW leather grips and Supergrap overgrips.

RFFF
03-19-2011, 01:16 PM
While I enjoy using Wilson frames, I propose a petition against them due to their poor quality control on their products. Those who agree, please say something (for example how a racket's spec was way off) and hopefully someone at Wilson Headquarter sees this and does something.

I agree with you tennis4losers.

Wilson quality is getting worse and worse.