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BeHappy
06-11-2008, 05:34 PM
Very impressive today, taking the ball early and hitting it so hard and deep, on hard he hits it so short and weak, I can't figure out why he does this.He might well be unbeatable on hard too if he hit the ball like that.

Gugafan
06-11-2008, 05:43 PM
Fast hard courts counteract Nadals spin. The ball sits up but does not get too high, which allows players like Tsonga, Blake, Federer, and Djokovic to hit through the court.

Nadal_Monfils
06-11-2008, 06:43 PM
I would like to see Nadal be more aggressive on hardcourts as well.

Nadal_Freak
06-11-2008, 06:45 PM
Nadal is not as comfortable with the movement on hardcourts compared to clay and grass. Nothing to do with the speed but the feel.

BeHappy
06-11-2008, 07:09 PM
Nadal is not as comfortable with the movement on hardcourts compared to clay and grass. Nothing to do with the speed but the feel.

nothing wrong with his movement on hard imo

Nadal_Freak
06-11-2008, 08:33 PM
nothing wrong with his movement on hard imo
He moves much better on clay and grass. Also you use different muscles on hard court than clay and grass. It's a different feel hitting off a hard court. Nadal seems to have trouble with that. More unforced errors and than he gets too defensive.

tennis_hand
06-11-2008, 09:51 PM
nothing wrong with his movement on hard imo

his hard running with big steps is not suitable for hardcourts. Sometimes you even see him sliding on hard courts. lol.
hard court balls are faster, he probably does not have that ample amount of time to prepare his strokes.

Grizvok
06-11-2008, 10:00 PM
his hard running with big steps is not suitable for hardcourts. Sometimes you even see him sliding on hard courts. lol.
hard court balls are faster, he probably does not have that ample amount of time to prepare his strokes.

That most definitely isn't the problem... He plays great on grass.

Vlad
06-11-2008, 10:31 PM
He just likes and is more comfortable on natural surfaces. Agree with whoever said that his movement is better on grass and clay. Not by a whole lot, but still better and it makes a difference.

CyBorg
06-11-2008, 10:39 PM
Nadal gets a nice, healthy bounce on natural surfaces, particularly clay.

On hardcourts the ball come in on him, jams him, particularly when the opponents go for the angles. The more they do this, the less time he has the less power he can generate.

BeHappy
06-14-2008, 03:04 PM
Nadal gets a nice, healthy bounce on natural surfaces, particularly clay.

On hardcourts the ball come in on him, jams him, particularly when the opponents go for the angles. The more they do this, the less time he has the less power he can generate.

I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense, there are two variables, speed and bounce height.

stormholloway
06-14-2008, 07:20 PM
It's a comfort thing. I also think there's a bit of fatigue by US Open time, particularly considering how hard he grinds through spring and summer. Keep in mind he's had great success on hard courts prior to the US Open.

He's only getting better.

CyBorg
06-14-2008, 07:30 PM
I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense, there are two variables, speed and bounce height.

I think that in regards to speed and bounce, both are more to Nadal's liking at Wimbledon than at the US Open, for example.

flyer
06-14-2008, 08:07 PM
There are probably about 10 correct answers to this question, all which play a part in the complete answer, most of the posters so far are on the right track

welcome2petrkordaland
06-14-2008, 09:39 PM
this doesn't really relate to the topic directly, but as i've watched nadal play against both karlovic and roddick, i've noticed his strategy change in terms of HOW he uses his chief weapon, the forehand.

on clay he focuses on kicking the ball up with immense topspin as well as his great angles, accuracy, movement, etc. on grass lately i've seen him go more with sharp angled crosscourt forehands to gain court position and then go inside out for the winner or just gain more position for one more shot. so basically he looks to be angling the ball more on the crosscourt forehand, a little shorter in the court as opposed to his attempts on clay kick it up high, ideally a bit deeper in the corners. this is a distinct contrast in how he uses his forehand but it seems to be working on grass thusfar.

and his backhand looks fine, although his ability to slice lower and deeper and perhaps come in more will become crucial on grass, more than any other surface IMO.

BeHappy
07-22-2008, 08:39 PM
mmmmmmmmmmm?

bebots
07-23-2008, 08:59 AM
I think he'll get the hang of the US Open hardcourts as soon as this year. The surface may be jarring for his athleticism and it is towards the end of the season when he is probably not at his freshest. Didn't he start taping his knees as a permanent precaution at last year's US Open?

Also there are more players that are not as comfortable on grass and clay as they are on hardcourt, all of a sudden 'hardcourt specialists' like a Blake or Roddick or Davydenko become a threat, the surface becomes an equalizer. Especially Djokovic has a better chance on hardcourt. Didn't he lose to Ferrer last year? But Nadal has won in Miami and Indian Wells so there's no reason he won't win a US Open.

willgonase10
07-23-2008, 09:37 AM
Grass and clay are softer which does not wear his knees out. Hard courts are just brutal.

I think he hits the ball as hard on hard courts but the court doesn't favor his spins.