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goforgold99
06-12-2008, 10:35 AM
He said this in the post-match interview today. 2 years ago he was 80 kg he said

malakas
06-12-2008, 10:41 AM
he's gained lots of muscle :)

joeri888
06-12-2008, 10:55 AM
In what context did he say this? Did he say he was still not feeling too fit or anything? It's pretty worrying if it's fat to be honest. If he's pulling weights to try and outmuscle Nadal or something it's something else. it would explain why he's making so many errors as well;)

BeHappy
06-12-2008, 11:00 AM
In what context did he say this? Did he say he was still not feeling too fit or anything? It's pretty worrying if it's fat to be honest. If he's pulling weights to try and outmuscle Nadal or something it's something else. it would explain why he's making so many errors as well;)

how ?

danb
06-12-2008, 11:26 AM
He said this in the post-match interview today. 2 years ago he was 80 kg he said

OMG - he is now (almost) as big as MILKA

Andres
06-12-2008, 12:19 PM
187 cm and 88 kg. Sounds perfectly healthy to me.

baek57
06-12-2008, 12:26 PM
....... is that too skinny? or too fat?

Rafael_Nadal_6257
06-12-2008, 12:33 PM
What's the big deal? With the capitalized "WOW", I was expecting something truly shocking...

And what context was this in?

TheNatural
06-12-2008, 01:02 PM
Nadal fed him an 8 kilo bagel at Roland Garros.

Vision84
06-12-2008, 01:05 PM
That explains the decrease in his level of play.

TacoBellBorderBowl1946
06-12-2008, 01:11 PM
He's stronger this year, though. As long as it doesn't restrict his movement, it's not a problem.

PROTENNIS63
06-12-2008, 01:12 PM
Ok so he is 88 kilos. No big deal.

palikero
06-12-2008, 01:19 PM
88 kg = 193.6 lbs.

I mentioned in a previous thread in the past that Fed does seem to be heavier than the weight list on the ATP site (at the time, he was listed as 77 kg), but many people claimed it impossible for Fed to weigh more than 180 lbs...

who in this thread has ACTUALLY seen Federer in person?
I sure have at the 2007 us open during a practice session with tim henman.. Fed came over to sign autographs after the practice and was face to face with me.

he has a big frame, broad shoulders and thick legs.. i'm not surprised he's 193 lbs.

what is amazing is that at 193 lbs, Fed can move so quickly with such agility.
on the contrary, Roddick at about 200 - 205 lbs is so sluggish on the court in terms of movement.

zagor
06-12-2008, 01:22 PM
Yeah,Fed is a fairly tall,broad shouldered guy.I don't understand why so many people consider him a wimp and skinny here,he has the perfect build for tennis IMO and is very athletic.

palikero
06-12-2008, 01:27 PM
http://www.gerryweber-open.de/en/current-news/interviews/roger-federer-2008-06-12.html?jahr=2008&monat=06

here is the post match interview
the weight issue is mentioned in the response to the 4th question

chris1992
06-12-2008, 01:28 PM
federer is 80 kg. if he was 88kg he would be 3 kg heavier than nadal and im sorry but looking at them there is no chance of that. Roddick weights 88 kg though.

mdjenders
06-12-2008, 01:31 PM
Nadal fed him an 8 kilo bagel at Roland Garros.

:) I laughed at this one.

AlpineCadet
06-12-2008, 01:32 PM
When they put him on the scale, he probably had Barricades, his Rolex, and a few k90's on his back.

jrachiever
06-12-2008, 01:35 PM
There's no way in hell Feder is 88kg. It's not easy to add 8kg of muscle. It doesn't happen without a serious lifting program, it would be VERY apparent and announcers would constantly talk about how much he's bulked, and it would slow him down significantly.

Chad Johnson is 6'1" 192. Does Roger look like this?

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e264/jrangan/chadjohnson.jpg

adlis
06-12-2008, 01:41 PM
There's no way in hell Feder is 88kg. It's not easy to add 8kg of muscle. It doesn't happen without a serious lifting program, it would be VERY apparent and announcers would constantly talk about how much he's bulked, and it would slow him down significantly.

Chad Johnson is 6'1" 192. Does Roger look like this?

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e264/jrangan/chadjohnson.jpg

steroid enhanced athletes should not be compared to rogi

daddy
06-12-2008, 01:53 PM
There's no way in hell Feder is 88kg. It's not easy to add 8kg of muscle. It doesn't happen without a serious lifting program, it would be VERY apparent and announcers would constantly talk about how much he's bulked, and it would slow him down significantly.

If you did not know, fat is actually heavier than muscles. Ask bodybuilders.

100m runners in track and field, at least some of them, were very light compared to the way they looked Maurice Green to name an example. Also bone structure has something to do with it, genetics. Some people are bulky and light, while others looks slim but are heavyer than it seems.

AlpineCadet
06-12-2008, 01:54 PM
http://entrylevelheiress.typepad.com/entrylevelheiress/images/rf1.jpg

He looks a bit less toned now.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/831/248rfed3ho4uc4.jpg

malakas
06-12-2008, 01:59 PM
If you did not know, fat is actually heavier than muscles. Ask bodybuilders.

100m runners in track and field, at least some of them, were very light compared to the way they looked Maurice Green to name an example. Also bone structure has something to do with it, genetics. Some people are bulky and light, while others looks slim but are heavyer than it seems.

no my friend you're wrong.Fat is lighter than muscles but it takes more space.

wangs78
06-12-2008, 02:02 PM
Fed does seem to be bigger now. I think he should lose 5-10 lbs to improve his agility.

uni
06-12-2008, 02:07 PM
it looked to me like he had a bit of a belly at the french

and muscle is definately heavier than fat

SempreSami
06-12-2008, 02:10 PM
There's no way in hell Feder is 88kg. It's not easy to add 8kg of muscle. It doesn't happen without a serious lifting program, it would be VERY apparent and announcers would constantly talk about how much he's bulked, and it would slow him down significantly.

Chad Johnson is 6'1" 192. Does Roger look like this?

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e264/jrangan/chadjohnson.jpg

Yeah but he's got no hair on his head.

malakas
06-12-2008, 02:10 PM
maybe it's all that nose-muscle??

jrachiever
06-12-2008, 02:11 PM
steroid enhanced athletes should not be compared to rogi

I must be ignorant. Can you tell me what differences I should expect between a steroid enhanced 6'1" 192 and a non-steroid enhanced 6'1" 192 assuming approximately the same levels of body fat on two elite athletes?

Rafael_Nadal_6257
06-12-2008, 02:11 PM
Yeah but he's got no hair on his head.

LOL...but hey palikero, in that link you provided, I found no mention of the 88 kilograms that Federer said he weighs. Anybody have the complete interview?

I must be ignorant. Can you tell me what differences I should expect between a steroid enhanced 6'1" 192 and a non-steroid enhanced 6'1" 192 assuming approximately the same levels of body fat on two elite athletes?

Well...Federer probably has a higher percentage of body-fat...not saying he is fat, I'm talking relatively.

Nadal_Monfils
06-12-2008, 02:15 PM
Yea, I noticed a bit of a gut at the French Open when Federer served , but he still is pretty fit.

Rhino
06-12-2008, 02:21 PM
Is this the beginning of the 'Fat Fed thread' era?
Fat Dave will be happy, it takes some of the heat from him. And Mirka, well...

daddy
06-12-2008, 02:23 PM
no my friend you're wrong.Fat is lighter than muscles but it takes more space.

Here's my greek friend to prove me wrong. Actually what I ment to say is that one can look more bulky but not because of muscles but fat storage, the healthy fat storage beneath the skin we all need. You are correct of course, I just wanted to point out that Roddick's lean apearance and yet greater weight than Federer is due to his muscular body whereas Fed is not as muscular but has a good tennis built with broad shoulders as many said.

Thanks !
:)

Ps - healthy is having 16 - 25% of fat in overall body weight. Athletes go as low as 5-6% and some of them, notably body builders n peak for competition while drinking laxatives - they can be as low as 3% and thus they cramp a lot on stage !

Rhino
06-12-2008, 02:27 PM
Yeah but he's got no hair on his head.

and breasts.

PBODY99
06-12-2008, 02:29 PM
steroid enhanced athletes should not be compared to rogi
Picking "Ocho Cinco" means you have picked the one position that enhancement for size help the least. 88 kg in an trained athlete is not a bulky package at all.

dh003i
06-12-2008, 02:59 PM
People here aren't accounting for the fact that there are different kinds of muscle.

Look, the muscle that body-builders build up is different from the muscle of professional weight-lifters. Huge bulky types have a lot of "muscle", for sure, but aren't as strong as power-lifters, who don't look as "bulked up". It has to do with lifting many reps of a lower weight (bulking up), vs. lifting a few reps near your maximum ability to lift (adding muscle density, increasing efficiency of muscle-recruitment, for strength).

Federer could very well be stronger, but not look like that specimen you pointed out.

PascalMariaFan
06-12-2008, 04:43 PM
I doubt he's more than 75 kg.

daddy
06-12-2008, 04:48 PM
I doubt he's more than 75 kg.

Even if he himself said he has 88kg just yesterday ? I assume yougot issuesmy friend, why would he lie ?

PascalMariaFan
06-12-2008, 04:52 PM
**** off daddy

zacinnc78
06-12-2008, 04:54 PM
When they put him on the scale, he probably had Barricades, his Rolex, and a few k90's on his back.

hahahhahah

dh003i
06-12-2008, 05:03 PM
Even if he himself said he has 88kg just yesterday ? I assume yougot issuesmy friend, why would he lie ?

Maybe he stepped on the scale after eating.

baek57
06-12-2008, 05:14 PM
he looks at least 190lb in those pictures

crazytennis
06-12-2008, 06:09 PM
When they put him on the scale, he probably had Barricades, his Rolex, and a few k90's on his back.

Nike won't let him wear Barricades.

AlpineCadet
06-12-2008, 06:10 PM
Would the ATP allow him to wear all that stuff while they weigh him? (^It was a joke, because Barricades are known to be the heavier shoe.)

crazytennis
06-12-2008, 06:12 PM
^It was a joke, because Barricades are known to be the heavier shoe.

haha. I know, I was making another joke which didn't turn out funny i see.

Ronaldo
06-12-2008, 06:23 PM
Middle-age spread found Fed

daddy
06-12-2008, 06:28 PM
**** off daddy

behave young man. Its a fact.

superman1
06-12-2008, 06:49 PM
Chad Johnson is 6'1" 192. Does Roger look like this?

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e264/jrangan/chadjohnson.jpg

Well, that guy has lower bodyfat than Federer. And Fed's giant forearm makes up the rest of the difference.

J011yroger
06-12-2008, 07:48 PM
Ps - healthy is having 16 - 25% of fat in overall body weight.

*gag* I can't imagine having 16-25% body fat, I would feel obese, and revolted.

Is that really considered healthy? I mean, what function does it serve a normal human, nevermind an athelete?

Isn't that like carrying around 20lb backpack full of bacon for the average guy?

J

Blue Drop
06-12-2008, 08:00 PM
There's no way he weighs 193 lbs. In those shirtless pics, look at him compared to the size of his racquet -- and then remember that his racquet has a 90 sq in head. With that in mind, the guy is small. He's more likely closer to 175.

This could be more of the usual inflation that occurs on tour. E.g., all players list themselves as taller than they actually are.

RestockingTues
06-12-2008, 08:04 PM
Nadal fed him an 8 kilo bagel at Roland Garros.

LOL! Ten char

rrhstennis
06-12-2008, 08:14 PM
*gag* I can't imagine having 16-25% body fat, I would feel obese, and revolted.

Is that really considered healthy? I mean, what function does it serve a normal human, nevermind an athelete?

Isn't that like carrying around 20lb backpack full of bacon for the average guy?

J

Haha, I feel you there but again it all depends on your body comp. I am at almost 20% myself but I have a huge frame and so it fits pretty nicely and I'm not particularly overweight. It's all relative.

madmanfool
06-13-2008, 02:47 AM
The scale probably got stuck after Nalbandian stepped on it.

Mikael
06-13-2008, 04:05 AM
Here's my greek friend to prove me wrong. Actually what I ment to say is that one can look more bulky but not because of muscles but fat storage, the healthy fat storage beneath the skin we all need. You are correct of course, I just wanted to point out that Roddick's lean apearance and yet greater weight than Federer is due to his muscular body whereas Fed is not as muscular but has a good tennis built with broad shoulders as many said.

Thanks !
:)

Ps - healthy is having 16 - 25% of fat in overall body weight. Athletes go as low as 5-6% and some of them, notably body builders n peak for competition while drinking laxatives - they can be as low as 3% and thus they cramp a lot on stage !


>30% is considered clinically obese, so I don't think 25% can pass as healthy. For men I believe the "optimal" range is probably around 8-12, and "healthy" could be up to maybe 15-20... Women of course carry more bodyfat naturally, a 16-25% "healthy" range for women sounds more plausible.

On topic: I doubt Federer is more than 175lbs if he's 6ft1. Or maybe he just has super heavy bones...

daddy
06-13-2008, 04:22 AM
*gag* I can't imagine having 16-25% body fat, I would feel obese, and revolted.

Is that really considered healthy? I mean, what function does it serve a normal human, nevermind an athelete?

Isn't that like carrying around 20lb backpack full of bacon for the average guy?

J

Its common for people to think it is a bit too much but unles you got that healthy storage of fat beneath your skin - otherwise you are from Auschwitz. Its not because its distributed a milimetab beneat your skin and its called' health' storage. When you go over the line it gets collected ot one area ( note Nabands gut ) and then you carry how ever name lb you dont need to ( depending on the person.

Btw - have ou done your checkups ? Im sure that mu friend who is ripped like a skelleton is 13% ( he's a tennis / voleyball player - pro in the latter, and weighs in some 190 at 6'4" ) He's 3 inches more than Fed yet lighter by somemargin though, but he has 10s of thousads of jumps per year as he said so its no coincindence.

daddy
06-13-2008, 04:24 AM
>30% is considered clinically obese, so I don't think 25% can pass as healthy. For men I believe the "optimal" range is probably around 8-12, and "healthy" could be up to maybe 15-20... Women of course carry more bodyfat naturally, a 16-25% "healthy" range for women sounds more plausible.

On topic: I doubt Federer is more than 175lbs if he's 6ft1. Or maybe he just has super heavy bones...


TRust me as Ivepiinted out, people lie all over the place abut this. My friend is 13% and he looks like we wish. 25% is probably tops for healthy yet not obese for some kind of peple whos methabolic processes are slower. And as said make the difference of healthy storage vs unhealthy depos at one place.

Mikael
06-13-2008, 05:08 AM
TRust me as Ivepiinted out, people lie all over the place abut this. My friend is 13% and he looks like we wish. 25% is probably tops for healthy yet not obese for some kind of peple whos methabolic processes are slower. And as said make the difference of healthy storage vs unhealthy depos at one place.

In truth this is a tough topic to discuss because there are many ways to measure bodyfat... the most common is with skin calipers, but this tends to underestimate "true" BF. The most accurate apparently is a technique involving total body immersion in a tank of water, it usually adds a couple or even a few %. I remember back in 2003 being measured at 4%, with the caliper method. Of course I knew it couldn't be true as I didn't have pro-bodybuilding like definition, with a more accurate method I would've probably been at around 7%.

However, there is an accepted "truth" in bodybuilding that your full 6 pack starts to show (without flexing) when you get to 10% and under.

Anyway, check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fat_percentage .
No good reason really to have more than 10-15% bodyfat (unless you are a sumo or American football player maybe?) even though it is "acceptable" up to 20% or so.

vigour
06-13-2008, 05:11 AM
you guys are gay.

daddy
06-13-2008, 05:12 AM
In truth this is a tough topic to discuss because there are many ways to measure bodyfat... the most common is with skin calipers, but this tends to underestimate "true" BF. The most accurate apparently is a technique involving total body immersion in a tank of water, it usually adds a couple or even a few %. I remember back in 2003 being measured at 4%, with the caliper method. Of course I knew it couldn't be true as I didn't have pro-bodybuilding like definition, with a more accurate method I would've probably been at around 7%.

However, there is an accepted "truth" in bodybuilding that your full 6 pack starts to show (without flexing) when you get to 10% and under.

Anyway, check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fat_percentage
No good reason really to have more than 10-15% bodyfat (unless you are a sumo or American football player maybe?) even though it is "acceptable" up to 20% or so.

My friend I was referig to is a doctor and Il ask him what methods did he use. Im around 18% or so usually, can go down to 14 - 15% when in form. Ill check and let you know.

Ps - with 7% you are very lean, you know that right ? Whats your regular meal consists of ? Do you eat sweets and such or consume pasta only without bread or ... share your advice man. ;)

daddy
06-13-2008, 05:21 AM
I did more research and see what I bumped into, interesting stuff. From people analising body fat:

Rubin said scientists have known for a good long while that bones that get a lot of shaking tend to get larger. Tennis players are a perfect example.

For instance, "Roger Federer would have 35 percent more bone on his playing arm than his non-playing arm," Rubin said.


Thoughts on this ??

sapient007
06-13-2008, 05:22 AM
it was prob mirka

Mikael
06-13-2008, 05:38 AM
My friend I was referig to is a doctor and Il ask him what methods did he use. Im around 18% or so usually, can go down to 14 - 15% when in form. Ill check and let you know.

Ps - with 7% you are very lean, you know that right ? Whats your regular meal consists of ? Do you eat sweets and such or consume pasta only without bread or ... share your advice man. ;)

Eheh, the 7% was back in the day when I was playing tennis many hours/day...
If you want to drop some BF, don't think in terms of having bread OR pasta, think rather that you can't have the bread NOR the pasta ;-) Choose the meat+vegetables combo instead! It's tastier too...

palikero
06-13-2008, 05:57 AM
LOL...but hey palikero, in that link you provided, I found no mention of the 88 kilograms that Federer said he weighs. Anybody have the complete interview?



Well...Federer probably has a higher percentage of body-fat...not saying he is fat, I'm talking relatively.


http://www.gerryweber-open.de/en/current-news/interviews/roger-federer-2008-06-12.html?jahr=2008&monat=06

read the interview again..

the fourth question is this:

Q: You look very fit and also you have lost some weight since last year. Is that because of your illness or because you purposely tried to do something?

FEDERER: After my sickness actually I thought I gained a little bit of weight. I just thought I was maybe a couple of kilos too much. So, I tried to look at my weight just the last two months or so, and I lost a few kilos, the ones I really wanted to. Thatís maybe one of the reasons I feel better again, Iím moving better. Obviously automatically because Iím doing so much sports the last few months, itís also normal you lose some weight. But, youíre right, Iím in good shape. I feel fine. But compared to two years ago, Iím much heavier than I used to, Iím 88 kg now compared to the 80 kg written in the media guide. But itís not all on the stomach or on the neck, 8 kg hanging off the neck (laughs). Or a 8 kg nose (laughs).

tangerine
06-13-2008, 01:58 PM
I'm surprised he weighs that much he looks underweight to me.

cmb
06-13-2008, 02:18 PM
I think he could drop about 5kgs, you would be surprised how u can stay in points without the extra weight.

chris1992
06-13-2008, 02:20 PM
i want to add further - you can be muscular and not weigh alot. there are lots of professional boxers who only weigh 9 1/2 stone but have impeccable physiques.

daddy
06-13-2008, 03:40 PM
Eheh, the 7% was back in the day when I was playing tennis many hours/day...
If you want to drop some BF, don't think in terms of having bread OR pasta, think rather that you can't have the bread NOR the pasta ;-) Choose the meat+vegetables combo instead! It's tastier too...

Thanks but you got to get some cereals to your body because of health if nothing else. I want no diet, I want a healthy eating habits. Thus I eat pasta in moderate qty once a day. And a lots of fish/meat for lunch with vegetables. And I dont eat after 21h. Bakery and Fast food are out and I dont drink juices so there you go, I eat pretty healthy.

Anyways to be on topic, I know for a fact that Bjarne Riis, winner of the Tour De France 1998 ate around 6 kilos of pasta per day during the competiton ( heard himself say this in interview ) which is ot all that odd considering he had to ride 200km per day on his bike .. ;)

PCXL-Fan
06-13-2008, 04:20 PM
If he gained that weight could the weight (as well as the mono) be a factor Federer's slightly slower footwork and slight degree of sluggishness compared to his 04-07 form?

J011yroger
06-13-2008, 05:41 PM
Its common for people to think it is a bit too much but unles you got that healthy storage of fat beneath your skin - otherwise you are from Auschwitz. Its not because its distributed a milimetab beneat your skin and its called' health' storage. When you go over the line it gets collected ot one area ( note Nabands gut ) and then you carry how ever name lb you dont need to ( depending on the person.

Btw - have ou done your checkups ? Im sure that mu friend who is ripped like a skelleton is 13% ( he's a tennis / voleyball player - pro in the latter, and weighs in some 190 at 6'4" ) He's 3 inches more than Fed yet lighter by somemargin though, but he has 10s of thousads of jumps per year as he said so its no coincindence.

I am 6'3" 165-170lbs. Lightest I ever was was 155 at 6'3" and probably in the best shape of my life. I feel like I still have an extra 5-10 lbs of excess fat on me.

J

Andres
06-13-2008, 06:13 PM
I am 6'4'' and 205 lbs and I have no visible fat whatsoever. Fed sounds about right, being 6'1'' - 6'2'' and weighing 88 kg.

Ignorant Genius
06-13-2008, 06:57 PM
who in this thread has ACTUALLY seen Federer in person?
I sure have at the 2007 us open during a practice session with tim henman.. Fed came over to sign autographs after the practice and was face to face with me.

he has a big frame, broad shoulders and thick legs.. i'm not surprised he's 193 lbs.

what is amazing is that at 193 lbs, Fed can move so quickly with such agility.
on the contrary, Roddick at about 200 - 205 lbs is so sluggish on the court in terms of movement.

I've seen Federer at two tournaments, saw him up close practicing both times. He looks much bigger in person than he does on television.

I've seen Roddick at three tournaments, always practices with his shirt off and looks smaller/thinner in person with his shirt off than he does on television.

chris1992
06-14-2008, 01:06 AM
type roger federer weight into google and 80kg comes up.

Greenfin Beta
06-14-2008, 01:28 AM
Yeah but he's got no hair on his head.

LOL! :?:|:):lol: that's why he's lighter...

Greenfin Beta
06-14-2008, 01:40 AM
http://www.japantravel.co.uk/ask/index.php/2008/02/14/when-and-where-to-see-sumo-in-japan/

here's fat. 12 eggs for breakfast each morning.

EDIT: oops... how do you attach an image?

Lotto
06-14-2008, 03:24 AM
Actually, it is a common mis conception that having muscles slows you down. Muscles in your legs actually are the reason why these athletes can run so fast along with the right technique. The muscles create strength to be able to push off. I find it very interesting that people still think muscles limit people's movement.

dh003i
06-14-2008, 06:11 AM
Actually, it is a common mis conception that having muscles slows you down. Muscles in your legs actually are the reason why these athletes can run so fast along with the right technique. The muscles create strength to be able to push off. I find it very interesting that people still think muscles limit people's movement.

It depends on the kind of muscle. I guarantee you, body-builders are not particularly fast or flexible. Power-lifters, however, can run quite fast.

The kind of muscle that is primarily bulk, will slow you down, without significantly contributing to power. On the other hand, power-lifting increases muscle density as well as neural recruitment, and hence makes one more powerful, without losing speed or flexibility.

Oui, c'est moi.
06-14-2008, 03:43 PM
The scale probably got stuck after Nalbandian stepped on it.
Hahaha.

Federer 'pokes' fun at his own nose.

Mikael
06-14-2008, 03:55 PM
Thanks but you got to get some cereals to your body because of health if nothing else.

You don't really need'em cereals. Back in 10,000BC we were doing all right without any cereal whatsoever... The refined stuff (like white pasta) is obviously much worse than whole grain (like whole wheat pasta). Trust me the "food pyramid" concept is completely wrong - and usually promoted by agro-business companies.