I hate this new message board

[Shaolin]

Thanks for RUINING something that was great before, TW, you guys are great. This is horrible.

[TW Admin]

huh?

[Anonymous]

Pretty intelligent response there TW Admin. Yes, the site was way better before. I dont even want to post here anymore, and this was my favorite site up until now. Its just way too cluttered to look at. Theres something to be said for simplicity in design, but some people just like to fill up the screen with as many blinking emoticons as possible. thanks.

[TW Admin]

I was trying to reply with as much useful information as Shaolin provided in the original post. Anyway, this board is obviously new to us and we're open to feedback as to what could be added, changed or removed. There will be changes but want to make sure to keep the good and only eliminate the bad. FWIW, I could easily live without the emoticons.

[Ariel]

Shaolin, you old tiger. Be ready for change, it's the essence of life. Besides, why don't give the new site a try, some credit before saying something judgemental, even if it's just your own feelings.

We don't wan't you out, so give the new forum an opportunity.

Ps: I don't like the faces either, but you'll see that we, the usual suspects, won't be using them in a regular basis.

[Shaolin]

TW Admin

Like I said, its way too cluttered and basically awful to look at. One thing that would really help is to list the topics in a different shade of blue, like a dark blue so that it stands out from everything else more.

[Shaolin]

Also please make the words in the posts darker or bolder or both so that they stick out from the background more. Look at the contrast in the old forum--Black or dark blue against white, huge amount of negative space (aka white space, blank areas whatever). Now suddenly, a highly congested message board with virtually no contrast between background and posted word. Getting rid of all of the grey would be nice and make it easier to see the posts would be another improvement.

BTW I have a Graphic Design/Fine arts degree in addition to being a USPTA teaching pro. Thanks, Shaolin

[axle]

I welcome the change. I use a lot of boards like this, I used to cringe every time I went to TW's old MB. I found it lacking in many departments but I knew it was the only place to go to have a good discussion about my favorite sport. With a short acclimation period I think you too will come around. I am surprised it took them this long to change. I hate to see anyone go because of such minor details but hey, to each his own. After all, I thought the purpose of this board was to discuss a common interest with others??

[Shaolin]

Axle, yeah it looks exactly the same as every OTHER message board now. Yet another great feature. Anyway my problem is with the congestion, clutter and lack of contrast on this new board, obviously I would like to keep visiting the site as Im putting in the effort to voice my problems with this new board.

[Sean Dugan]

I sense you are not one who readily embraces change. Yes, the old board had its charm, its simplicity, its clean lines.......but me thinks the new board has some cool features......so I'll reserve judgement for a while yet.

[David Pavlich]

This is the way a BBS should run. The old TW board was ok, but as new posts were added, the thread didn't move back up the line. With this style of BBS, if a thread has a post added, it will move to the head of the line. That is a HUGE improvement!

Again, good choice of software. I use it elsewhere and like it.

David

[amarone]

The old TW board was ok, but as new posts were added, the thread didn't move back up the line.
Oh yes it did - you just had to set your personal preferences correctly. I like the new board anyway. It has neat features like "quote", for one.

[WW Volley]

The new boards are far better. Options, features, neater, more efficient.

These are the kind of boards that everybody else in the world is using. I, like others, cringed at having to use the TW system.

Once you adjust, you'll come to realize this is a far better layout.

[Deuce]

I disagree with David. This isn't a BBS - it's simply BS.

My eyes are already tired from reading the extra tiny words that make up each post.

Further, I know most people have been conditioned to believe that MORE information is BETTER - but there is too much information now. Do we really need to know how many others are currently on the boards - and WHO they are? It's all just bells and whistles - gimmicks. THe 'old' boards were more functional, and more practical, with a more user-friendly interface.

As Shaolin mentioned, these 'new' boards are unnecessarily cluttered - there is too much going on. One result of this is the tiny window we have to type and read posts in - resulting in tiny words where previously the words were larger. My eyes are good - but this is tiring. Maybe there's a way I can customize it - I'll check - but even if there is, I can't find any practical advantage whatsoever to these 'new' boards over the 'old' ones.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." [/i]

[Deuce]

On the 'old' boards, I could search for 'deuce', and get every post in which the word 'deuce' was typed AND posts that I posted myself. They would ALL come up in the search at once. That way, I would see not only all the posts that I typed but also all the posts where someone addressed me (such as "Hey, Deuce, you're nuts.", or "Deuce is right.")

I can't do that on these 'new improved' boards. I can search for all the posts that I've typed, OR for all posts with the word 'deuce in the main body of the post - but not together. So I now have to do TWO searches to get the same results that I got in ONE search on the 'old' boards. THis doesn't strike me as being an improvement.

I deliberately selected 'Huge' as the font size of this post - yet when it is finalized and posted, it is the same minuscule size as the rest.

sigh...

[kreative]

deuce, i personally think it's an improvement b/c it focuses the search instead of getting all the stuff i didn't want to see. unlike you, i'd want to search for "kreative" and look for posts like "good one kreative" instead of all my posts. if i wanted to do that, i could just search under my name. on the old boards you couldn't distinguish between the 2. different strokes for different folks.

nice updated boards TW, just sucks that you have to re-register, and that you can't bring the old topics over to an "archives" section, especially the buy/sell references which benefit traders.

[Deuce]

I'm supposed to be able to see a 'DELETE' 'x' on all of my posts when I'm signed in, right?

Well, I don't see it anymore on my first two posts in this thread. It's simply gone. It's probably because I and 'kreative' clicked on 'REPLY' - so if someone clicks on 'REPLY' when your post is the last one in the thread, you no longer have the option of deleting your post. But clicking on 'REPLY' is the ONLY way to be able to reference the previous posts in the thread, as they appear below the compose window only in REPLY mode.

As well, there is no more 'All Messages' option to view ALL the messages in a thread on ONE PAGE. Already, we are on Page 2 of this thread.

This new format is supposed to be BETTER?

In just 15 minutes, I've already found several things that are significantly WORSE in this new format.

Wonderful...

[kreative]

deuce, based on my past experiences w/ similar msg boards, some of the topics will allow deletes, and others won't...perhaps the moderators have disabled "delete" in this section "rants & raves". there is an edit key thou.

[Deuce]

No - the Delete option is there - but only until someone submits a subsequent post. For example, the Delete 'x' is now gone on all my previous posts in this thread - I can still delete this post - but only until someone puts up another post in this thread.

Ridiculous.

I wonder if it'll work if I click 'edit', and simply erase all the words.

Kind of a backwards way of doing it - especially for a format that is supposedly so 'technically advanced'.

It's like yesterday, I was using a beautiful Max 200G, and today, I'm forced to use a dreadful Pure Drive if I want to continue playing.

[Deuce]

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[Deuce]

I've made a bunch of changes in my 'profile' - but NOTHING has changed.

I still can't see colored words in a post I put up that was supposed to be green. I still can't see bigger words, even when I use the 'Huge' option font size...

What good are options if they don't even work?

Hey - I'm making an effort, but this new system seems to be all style and no substance. Bells and whistles...

[WW Volley]

Time to embrace change, Deuce.

And size can be changed.

It's not just bells and whistles for me, it's quite handy. This style of board SHOULD cut down on repeat posts and allow for old and valuable threads to be looked up more.

The biggest problem with the other boards is that old posts were lost forever, despite their great content. With a community such as this, great resources are most easily managed for future reference. On the whole, you may not like it, but this is a more flexible and workable system for everybody.

Well, almost everybody.

[axle]

I'm supposed to be able to see a 'DELETE' 'x' on all of my posts when I'm signed in, right?

no.. If it has been replied to it cannot be deleted (by you anyway, only mods and admins..).

I wonder if it'll work if I click 'edit', and simply erase all the words.

uhh.. no. see above. you can delete your text but not your post.

I still can't see colored words in a post I put up that was supposed to be green. I still can't see bigger words, even when I use the 'Huge' option font size...

What good are options if they don't even work?

Change your profile settings to allow bbcode

hope this helps..

[Deuce]

Ok - so some of you are smarter than me. Thanks for letting me know that size and color are possible. I should be able to work out how to do it myself within a week or so.

I've ENABLED BBCode and I've DISABLED BBCode. No difference. Right now, it's DISABLED in my Profile - but I can still see the big green letters in axle's post.

Now, if I could only convince EVERYONE to use the HUGE font size, my eyes would be much better off. Why aren't there different viewing options - like font size for VIEWING? People with even moderately poor eyesight cannot possibly participate on these kind of boards. This is progress?

As far as deleting goes... clicking on REPLY is the only way to add a post to a given thread. Even if one isn't replying directly to the post above - it is still considered a reply. On the 'old' boards, we always had the option of replying directly to a post, or simply putting up a separate post in the same thread. Here, EVERYTHING is a REPLY to the last post posted, which makes no sense at all. This new format assumes that each successive post can only be a reply to the previous post, and not an independent post on the subject of the thread. It means, as I said earlier, that we can only Delete our own posts until someone else posts in that same thread. As soon as another post is made, we can no longer Delete our own post. Does anyone think this is a good thing?

If we type a post, we should have the right to delete it at any time, shouldn't we? Kind of like 'intellectual property'.

[Verbal_Kint]

edit: I saw someone had made the same point I did already.

Deuce, I think since we read the posts in a chronological order, this is also the way the replies should be organized. I can understand why you're not allowed to delete your post once someone has replied. Wasn't this the case on the old board as well?

Marnix

[Deuce]

I tried that in one of my first posts - but it didn't work.

I'll try again...

Is it working now?

How about now?

...and now?

now?

Man - what is the use of the 'tiny' font size? It cannot be read. Anyone plan to write a disclaimer?

Sorry for the numerous posts - but I gotta test. So far, the new format has failed.

[Deuce]

Every two minutes, I observe things that are lacking in the new format...

Why aren't the posts in a given thread numbered? THis is a useful feature (and one we had back in the good ol' days of the previous board). If one wishes to reference a particular post, we used to be able to write "Rabbit makes a good point in post #7." - but now, the posts are not numbered. Can this be fixed?

See how much easier this is to read? Come on... EVERYBODY - use HUGE for the font size.

[Deuce]

Marnix - yes, but the difference was on the 'old' boards, each post had its own reply button. Hardly anyone used it - so each new post in a thread was just a new post, and not a Reply. So we could always Delete our posts. Here, in the 'new' format, EVERY post is a reply for some stupid reason. There is no other option.

For example, on the 'old' boards, you could now go back and delete your post in this thread if you chose to. Now, in the 'new' format, you cannot - just because someone (me in this case) posted after your post. This is going backward, not forward.

[Verbal_Kint]

You know, there actually is a reason for that.. It makes sure everyone can see you have posted in a thread. This means one can't back out if/when one decides his post was a little stupid. He can edit of course, but that will also be visible.

If/when you've made a 'wrong' post, why not just edit it (which you couldn't do on the old boards) and say so? I don't see the problem here. I just wish the admins will do the same with offensive posts - remove the bad stuff, leave the post and type what was the problem.

Marnix

[axle]

Verbal_Kint, you forgot to post in the large font..j/k

Reality is the old board was a piece of crap with a few good features. This is a good board with a few crap features (and maybe lacking a few good features of the crap board). This board doesn't try to please everybody because it can't. I think it accurately represents what a large population of users actually want. Yeah there are a few quirks. The neat thing about this board is that new features can be written in at any time. Meaning this board is dynamic. Keep asking for stuff that you want on this board. maybe someone out there in phpbb.com land has already written your request, tw just needs to load it onto this board??

[sarpmas]

This new board looks 'powerful' to me. Still in the 'figuring out' stage. Can be a little intimidating initially due to the increased complexity. The old board, though fewer features, is more user friendly to me, IMO. Nonetheless, I'm willing to give myself more time to try out this board, hopefully I will get used to it.

Just testing...

[kmadonna]

My eyes are killing me. Ditch the grey!!

[Kobble]

testing

[Kobble]

"Flux is Crux", but this new background sucks. Please change the color contrast of the background. The black, grey, and bone colors are a little depressing and lifeless.

What was the original motive for changing to this format?

Are you folks trying to cut corners and then trying patch it up with emoticons and other convenient bandages?

If you believe that you have a monopoly on the tennis discussion arena, which gives you the power to ignore are insignificant opinions, then I will counter your arrogance by never purchasing tennis supplies from you ever again.

[Verbal_Kint]

Kobble, why are you so mad? :shock:

Marnix

[Kirko]

The new look is like the corvette forum I liked the old one , but time marchs on. Thanks TW for forum past & present.

[Dedans Penthouse]

@%^&&$%!!!!!!!!!!!

[ps 6.0]

Could definetely use some more color. But they barely enacted the new board. Give the admins a month or so and we'll all be glad they moved the boards over here. Just my 2 cents.

[juu]

I've used similar boards elsewhere and trust me, they are much better than the old TW board software (which I found quite unintuitive, I must say)!

I think the move was good and when the boards get tuned and everybody gets used to them it will become quite clear.

P.S. Yes the colors may use some work, they are depressing.
P.P.S. There needs to be an button to show all threads that you've subscribed to (posting means auto-subscribal) that have new messages. Makes much easier to track interesting threads. The other boards that use this software have it, so it shouldn't be hard.

[Sampragassi]

I have to agree with Shaolin on this one. I hate the new format. Far too busy. It does my head in.

The old board had a certain minimalist charm about it - a certain Bauhaus gestalt. The words were the important thing - whether they were used to inform or insult, at least they stood out.

But this is garish, awful, ugly, and everyotherboardy.

We live in mediocre times and this is a mediocre board.

[Feña14]

Shoalin,
I hope that you don't leave the boards, I for 1 will miss your useful and wise posts!

Thanks

Liam

[ukguy]

this new board is so crap , the old when was perfect and so cosy looking.

dont use it and they might go baCK

[penpal]

I, for one, much prefer the new boards to the old - but of course, everyone has a right to their opinion.

Just an FYI to those of you having difficulty with the size of the text - every browser I know of allows you to change text size on a page. For example, if you're using IE, just click on the View tab and you'll find another tab that says Text Size. From there you can choose to make text bigger or smaller for every web page you visit.

[penpal]

And how cool is that "View posts since last visit" feature on the main page? I love that.

[Verbal_Kint]

Text size doesn't work though...

Marnix

PS: an easier way to change text size is rolling the wheel on your mouse while holding the ctrl button.

[borisboris]

This msg board style has gone backwards-there's no progress

[amarone]

Why aren't the posts in a given thread numbered? THis is a useful feature (and one we had back in the good ol' days of the previous board). If one wishes to reference a particular post, we used to be able to write "Rabbit makes a good point in post #7." - but now, the posts are not numbered. Can this be fixed?
But now instead we have the handy-dandy "Quote" button making it really easy to copy in the point we wish to comment on.

This type of message board is in line with others I use. I much prefer it. The old TW one always seemd so archaic and limited in function.

There are many ways in which the board software can be customized, e.g. to change the colors. However, let us all remember that TW doesn't charge for this board and it is unreasonable for us to demand they spend lots of time addressing our every whim.

[Ben42]

Jeeze. Let's give it a little bit of a chance. It's only been one day.

Try it and let yourself get used to it.

I've never seen board software like the old TW board. I'm sure supporting and maintaining little used software was either getting or going to be a problem for TW. Al least we know that with this software the board will be around for a while.

[ohplease]

Jeeze. Let's give it a little bit of a chance. It's only been one day.

Try it and let yourself get used to it.

I've never seen board software like the old TW board. I'm sure supporting and maintaining little used software was either getting or going to be a problem for TW. Al least we know that with this software the board will be around for a while.

Exactly. PHPBB has TONS of modules that could be plugged-in (like USER IGNORE - hint, hint), and while TW hasn't yet enabled the user-defined skins (so that our more aesthetically, uh, "sensitive" posters can change their colors/font sizes), that's only a matter of time.

That's the whole point of good software - you give the user the power to do what they want, which certainly wasn't a selling point of the old board.

Finally, I can't help but think about how a new situation as insignificant as a new message board system says so much about how we all probably play tennis. Some of us appraise the situation quickly and roll with the punches and look to get the job done.

Some of us throw rackets and whine.

The fact of the matter is that TW is doing a great job. Keep on keeping on, fellas. If the worst thing that happens to me today is getting a curve ball in the form of a new message board, then DAMN it's been a good day

[Shaolin]

TW Admin...

I really hope that you listen to some of the suggestions by me, Deuce, and others. I really dont want to leave these boards but I will if some things arent improved.

Comparing the site now to before is like having a Prestige Classic that you were hitting with perfectly, and then its taken away and youre given a Wilson Hyperhammer with Rollers 2.0 strung with gut at 38 lbs. Okay sure, it has more features and power, thats lovely. Is it better, no way.

Also, for you "time to embrace change" people, Im not the Unabomber or an old man or whatever, Im a young guy and a teaching pro. Im a graphic designer as well and do freelance artwork for clothing companies like Stussy, Volcom and many skate companies. The FEATURES are nice to have on the new boards, but I simply dont want to post when the boards are so cluttered and congested, it looks like crap and the words just become part of the mess. Like some wise poster said before, in the old boards "the words were important". I dont need 40 blinking emoticons to my left to convey my emotions, guess what, my words do that for me.

TW--
some suggestions to make things better:

1. Get rid of the ugly gray background. Its about as uplifting as getting drunk and listening to Tracy Chapman alone in a cemetary.

2. Find a way to minimize all of the 50,000 binking icons, just make a tool bar or something so that the words seem important again.

3. PLEASE separate posts more, right now one post blends into another with just a different shade of gray. THAT IS AWFUL. It makes one post just seem like another post. In the old boards there was a separation between posts that worked nicely, so please improve the orders between posts.

4. Please make the words bolder and a little bigger. Like Deuce, my eyes work fine, but they are being tortured unneccessarily by this site.

Thats all Im going to suggest at this time, please improve those things and that will be a big improvement. Thanks in advance.

[ohplease]

TW Admin...

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1. Get rid of the ugly gray background. Its about as uplifting as getting drunk and listening to Tracy Chapman alone in a cemetary.

2. Find a way to minimize all of the 50,000 binking icons, just make a tool bar or something so that the words seem important again.

3. PLEASE separate posts more, right now one post blends into another with just a different shade of gray. THAT IS AWFUL. It makes one post just seem like another post. In the old boards there was a separation between posts that worked nicely, so please improve the orders between posts.

4. Please make the words bolder and a little bigger. Like Deuce, my eyes work fine, but they are being tortured unneccessarily by this site.

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Again, all of these things are aesthetic. All TW has to do is enable additional board styles to allow people to make their little screens look however they want. Well, except for the emoticons. :roll:

And as long as we're "arguing from authority," me and every other code monkey I've ever met, who make a living reading text on screen btw, have eventually moved to light text on dark background. Usability studies on all that blank white space and its cummulative effect on your eyeballs, blah blah blah. In other words, what works in graphic design doesn't necessarily work on screen.

But then, that's my point. I'm not going to try to force everyone else to have the same colors or fonts sizes. That's why there are THEMES. Which should be ENABLED. Which will probably take some TIME.

[Ash Doyle]

I'm not enjoying the new board either. It's uncomfortable to read. The screens are too "busy". I much preferred the simple layout of the old board...and it worked great.

In tennis terms:

Old board=player's racquet
New board=8 oz. granny stick with all the "racquet technologies"

[python]

I've said it elsewhere, but I'll say it here too. I really like the change.

There's a few under the engine improvements made with the move to phpBB that casual visitors won't necessarily notice but I am sure the TW staff love. Like using a real database to store messages in... Like improved banning tools...Like the ability to implement custom skins and such that WILL address every single one of the complaints we have about appearance and readability.

And I don't doubt the cost of maintaining TalkTennis will plummet for TW in the long run. Makes sense. They're finally using a standardized bbs software.

About time I'd say. Thanks, TW.

[TW Admin]

Skins are in works with the priority on a more contrasting color scheme and larger font.

Adding a spell checker should be doable but it might take us some time.

We'll keep tinkering...and yes the banning/tracking controls are *much* better so it's possible you'll see an improvement in content even if it hurts to read it.

[Sean Dugan]

Geez! What's all this nitpicky bellyaching about? Okay, so this scheme is different than the one we were used to. BFD! Get over it. I don't like this! I don't like that! Waaaaaaaaaaaa! Some of you sound like my friggin' girlfriend when she is pmsing. TW can't possibly make everyone happy. What I may like, you may hate, and so forth. I'm simply grateful they give us this venue.......I'm not going to gripe about whether the screen is gray, or font size, etc. If you are that particular, start your own website. Only TW has any equity here, they rest of us are just visiting. Give them a break already. As for me, I don't see a problem with the new scheme........seems fine to moi. In fact, I think I like it better than the old board. So, unclench fellow boarders........relish in the new. And relax, por favor. You'll live longer. :wink:

[penpal]

TW Admin...
4. Please make the words bolder and a little bigger. Like Deuce, my eyes work fine, but they are being tortured unneccessarily by this site.


Shaolin - did you even attempt the suggestion I made earlier to use your browser's features to increase text size? It's really not that difficult and will resolve one of your complaints instantaneously.

[penpal]

BTW - how did you all do that cool quote thing where the quote is shaded a different color?

[Shaolin]

penpal Ill try that, thanks.

Sean Dugan--you arent even worth the effort to respond to.

[Shaolin]

TW Admin--

Thank you VERY much for working with the skins and font, etc.

[Craig Sheppard]

BTW guys, Shaolin, and others--not sure if you noticed or not, but you can change the colors of the board in your "Profile" section. That's one great thing about this newer style of board, very customizable. You'll get used to it, give it a chance. Lots of interesting info, more about the posters, and more ways to search, plus other things...

Craig

[Craig Sheppard]

Oops my bad, they haven't loaded other options yet. Sorry... Like Billy though, I feel your pain... I'm pretty much a purist/tradilionalist/minimalist, but I got used to the board after reading a bunch of other boards in this format.

[amarone]

BTW - how did you all do that cool quote thing where the quote is shaded a different color?
Like this? Find the post you want to quote and click on the quote button in the top right hand corner of the post.

Or you can code it yourself by putting <quote="whoeversaidit">This is the quoted text.</quote> but replace the angle brackets with square ones to get:This is the quoted text.

[jasonmiller]

I just had to re-register, because my old name/password didn't work. Anyway, I agree with Shaolin and Duece that this new board blows.

[Shaolin]

this new board blows.
Just trying the very handy quote feature :D
very good point Jason

Tw ADMIN--
In my profile it gives me only one screen/post color choice, this terrible gray color, I thought there were supposed to be choices. Whats up?

[chad shaver]

Someone already mentioned that some features are NOT up yet. Give them a bit of time.

[dennis1188]

The new board ( sans-serifs ) is obviously more difficult to read. It is widely agreed in publishing and graphics industry that 'fonts' ( on the old board) with serifs ( the short cross-lines at the ends of the main strokes of many letter in some type faces) is much more readable ( examples r yr daily newspapers and Time magazine) . Too bad TW Admin missed out. You should have stayed with your previous font style i.e. a 'new times roman' font. :?:

[thatballwas_IN]

:shock:

will chad still be able to tell if posters are using multiple screen names? never did figure out how he did that... didnt seem like it was in the html source, so i was baffled.

[axle]

Thu Feb 19, 2004 12:25 pm
Skins are in works with the priority on a more contrasting color scheme and larger font.

Adding a spell checker should be doable but it might take us some time.

We'll keep tinkering...and yes the banning/tracking controls are *much* better so it's possible you'll see an improvement in content even if it hurts to read it.Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:24 pmIn my profile it gives me only one screen/post color choice, this terrible gray color, I thought there were supposed to be choices. Whats up?hmm.. Maybe I missed something but I can't see where TW Admin said it would be done TODAY.. THey said they are working on it.. Give them a chance to work on it.
The new board ( sans-serifs ) is obviously more difficult to read. It is widely agreed in publishing and graphics industry that 'fonts' ( on the old board) with serifs ( the short cross-lines at the ends of the main strokes of many letter in some type faces) is much more readable ( examples r yr daily newspapers and Time magazine) . Too bad TW Admin missed out. You should have stayed with your previous font style i.e. a 'new times roman' font.

thanks for the serif vs. sans-serif tutorial.. Please, can you elaborate more about these and other font styles at talk.whogivesash!t.com?

I do recall them being a tennis-warehouse, not a newspaper. I personally would rather see them stick to what they know, tennis. I for one, am much more interested in the content of these boards vs. the presentation.

[Deuce]

Dugan wrote:

"TW can't possibly make everyone happy. What I may like, you may hate, and so forth. I'm simply grateful they give us this venue.......I'm not going to gripe about whether the screen is gray, or font size, etc. If you are that particular, start your own website."

Sean - that's the thing. On the 'old' boards, it was much easier to set the font (and color) to one's personal preferences - thus pleasing just about everyone. This cannot be done here. Not at this point, anyhow. If the 'new' format is decidedly uncomfortable for several people to read and/or follow, then that is a significant issue, whether you deem it so or not. If important things like font size and layout are not customizable, then how can this be called an improvement?

Wow - I just Copied and Pasted the above quote from Sean. That took SO MUCH more work than using the handy 'quote' button. Are we that bloody lazy now that Copy and Paste is actually too much trouble? Do we truly need a 'one button for everything' lifestyle? Jeez...

The problem with North American culture (aside from an ever growing laziness) is that most people have been conditioned to believe that anything new is inherently better. It works with just about everything... it works with tennis racquets, it works with toothpaste, and it works with message boards. Add a few gimmicks, call it 'new and improved', and all things previous are instantaneously rendered 'old and lousy'.

If it were the other way around - if this 'new' board was the one we had been using for a long time, and if the 'old' board was being introduced as the 'new, improved' board - people would praise the 'old' board because it would be new to them, and marketed as 'new and improved'. Man, it's disturbingly easy to sell people on things.

[Phil]

I knew you were a whinner, Deuce, but BOY, it's really spewing out now. Give it time-let TW sort out any bugs (that doesn't mean individual biases, preferences, etc.).

The format's fine, though the background could be darker. For reference, check out this board, which uses the same software:

http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/

Anyway, this is my "Cherry" post on the new format.

[Verbal_Kint]

The new board ( sans-serifs ) is obviously more difficult to read. It is widely agreed in publishing and graphics industry that 'fonts' ( on the old board) with serifs ( the short cross-lines at the ends of the main strokes of many letter in some type faces) is much more readable ( examples r yr daily newspapers and Time magazine) . Too bad TW Admin missed out. You should have stayed with your previous font style i.e. a 'new times roman' font. :?:

Dennis, you're right and wrong here. It has been widely agreed fonts with serifs are more readable on paper. On screens, it is a different matter (which I have investigated in a little experiment myself). When we talked about websites in class, we were told not to use fonts with serif. However, when we print parts of the website, we should do it using a font with serifs.

Marnix

[Sean Dugan]

I had a really difficult time reading Deuce's last post as the font is far too small. :wink: Combined with the "plain jane" font style and the gray background, I be traumatized, bros. My eyesight has been adversely affected, and I think I'm developing cataracts. 8) This new board is absolutely diabolical, perhaps even apocalyptic. Someone mentioned adding spell check, I'll second that emotion. It had occured to me as well that if the old board had replaced the new, the criticism would probably be just as strident. Human nature, I suppose. Personally, I find it difficult to muster that much passion about the nuances of a message board. Is this software of British or Canadian origin? I noticed the anglicized spelling of "colour." Anyway, the new scheme seems servicable enough. Nothing is perfect.

[galain]

So this is where everyone has gone! I've been visiting the old board for the last 2 days thinking "Gee - nobody has much to say this week". If I'm such a techno cripple to not even work out that we've all moved house I'm going to have a fun year working out how to use this board!

[penpal]

If the 'new' format is decidedly uncomfortable for several people to read and/or follow, then that is a significant issue, whether you deem it so or not. If important things like font size and layout are not customizable, then how can this be called an improvement?

A) As has already been discussed, font size can be changed on this board, and any other, by simply using the tools that come with your browser.

B) You need to face facts; though you liked the old board better, not everyone else did. In this thread I've read many posters who like the new board better. What you are saying is, "I don't care about everyone else, I want the old board ... GIVE ME, GIVE ME, GIVE ME." Grow up.

The problem with North American culture (aside from an ever growing laziness) is that most people have been conditioned to believe that anything new is inherently better. It works with just about everything... it works with tennis racquets, it works with toothpaste, and it works with message boards. Add a few gimmicks, call it 'new and improved', and all things previous are instantaneously rendered 'old and lousy'.

This is an old and ignorant argument. Thousands of new products and services are released to the North American public everyday. Most are disliked and quickly discontinued, and only a few are actually seen as improvements and are accepted by the masses. This is the reality of a capitalistic society. Now there certainly are a small minority of people who will prefer new things just for their "newness," just as there are a minority who will rail against anything new because they fear change.

Man, it's disturbingly easy to sell people on things.

It is also disturbingly easy for people to convince themselves that their opinion is the only one that matters :roll:

[edited for spelling]

[Verbal_Kint]

Penpal, have you actually tried to change the font? I haven't been succesful..

Marnix

[vin]

I'd like to cast my support for this new board.

Searching is much more powerful and accurate.

I really like email notification of thread replies. You can also 'watch' threads and be emailed when responses are added even if you haven't posted on the thread.

Most of what everyone has been complaining about can be configured in personal settings or by moderators.

Deuce - You can change the settings in your browser to override the font size of all web sites that you look at. If you have trouble reading this one, you probably have trouble with others as well.

Even though I like this board much better than the old one, I would continue to participate in these forums regardless of the board software simply because this is the best place on the internet to discuss tennis. I think that's why so many people dealt with the old board.

[penpal]

Penpal, have you actually tried to change the font? I haven't been succesful..

Marnix

Yeah, I've tried on two browsers - Mac OSX and IE. Admittedly, the font change is more pronounced on the Mac, but I can see a difference in IE also. To make it even larger in IE, you can also select the "Full Screen" option under the View tab.

[vin]

I think another advantage of this board is that as more people find the email notification feature and use it, the board will see more posts and more information will be shared.

[@wright]

I love the new board, once you get used to all the options it's really nice. You can easily figure out whether there are new posts to look at, and it's easy to get to the latest post. TW can tweak the features of course, but I think the board is great.

[David Pavlich]

I am always amazed that on just about every board I've ever visited, the complaints and the whining about a FREE BBS!

If we were paying for the privilege to post here, then I would understand the whining. But TW is doing this as a service to us. Sure, they have a sort of captive audience and it helps their business, but the long and short of it is...TW is providing it for free.

Where would you go if TW decided it wasn't producing enough revenue to justify this board and cancelled it?

Consider what this is costing you while you complain that it isn't to your liking.

David

[SonicSpeed]

This new message board is by far better than the old one. Pretty much all other forums are like this. The old TW MB was way outdated and looked downright primitive.

[Ash Doyle]

The old TW MB was way outdated and looked downright primitive.

Yeah, but it worked very well. It was easy to find threads because they didn't move around depending on when the last time someone posted to them and it was easier to read.

I used to really enjoy reading this message board, and I checked it probably 10 times a day while at work. Now, I barely check in twice a day because it's hard for me to enjoy this new board.

[Sampragassi]

I agree completely. CAn't we go back to how it was!!! This board sucks big time. I've even invented a new word to commemorate the new TW boards - "everyotherboardy".

How do you like it??

[AAAA]

Personally I'm more into ASP myself rather than PHP but this BBS uses CCS files to define each display scheme/theme. The CCS file defines visual characteristics likes text color, border color/thickness and text size(ie font size: 11px). Although I haven't studied the CCS file is detail nor do I have developer knowledge of the BBS program structure changing the default text size should be a simple case of editing some definition file. The CCS file even has comments. I found the following line in the CCS file:

/* The content of the posts (body of text) */.postbody { font-size : 12px;}

Changing 12px to something like 18px shouldn't take too long. Make the change; test it and if it breaks things because of other dependencies then change it back but apart from possible formatting problems it should be painless.


If I was a hacker I'd go in there and make the change myself;-p (just kidding)

[AAAA]

To confirm:

I am kidding about the hacking, I don't have that kind of experience.

[axle]

To confirm:
I am kidding about the hacking, I don't have that kind of experience.I am sure they wouldn't have been too concerned anyway.. If your reffering to a cascading style sheet ".CSS" I think they rest assured.. Its a CSS file, not CCS.

cool, used quick reply for this!! Nice addition..

[Brent Pederson]

Is there a way to set preferences so that the threads don't jump up the to the top when a new post is added? This new style is driving me slightly batty!

[Ash Doyle]

I have the same question as Brent? Can we change it so threads stay in the order they were created. When you want to look back at an old thread it's harder to find now.

I don't like this new board; but I've got to say that the TW Staff is doing a great job in trying to make changes to make everyone happy. Thanks.

[Deuce]

No, Penpal - you've deliberately misinterpreted my meaning.

What I'm saying is that if this new board were truly as progressive as people claim it is, then individuals could customize things to their own unique and particular liking. Not just me, but everyone. Even sour people like you. If someone preferred larger fonts, they could have them. If another preferred smaller fonts, that would be no problem, as well. THAT would be an improvement. But, as it is, several useful and very practical options on the 'old' board are no longer available, having been replaced by bells and whistles and gimmicks which are of less practical value (E mail notification? How lazy can one be? Quote? Does 'Copy and Paste really require too much time and effort?). The problem is that too many people will settle for nothing less than the ultimate in convenience and gimmicks. These are the people who are critical of the old board.

(By the way, enlarging the fonts in the IE 'View' tab makes a difference so slight that it is imperceptible. I have to click on the 'ignore font sizes and styles on webpages', as well as try to find a font that will fit the width of my monitor - which I still have yet to do successfully.)

Further, one of the most significant changes is what Brent and Ash refer to - on the 'old' board, people who wanted the thread with the latest POST at the top (even if it's a 3 week old thread) could have it that way if they wanted - AND people like us who want to have the latest THREAD at the top could have it that way. But here on the new board, there is only ONE choice - the thread with the most recent post goes to the top. If someone writes "My name is Mickey" in a 3 week old post, it'll go to the top now. It seems that this board is designed for internet junkies who want to monitor the board for 20 hours a day and read every single post - God forbid they miss a post - but if they do somehow miss one, they'll get a bloody E mail notification! It's absurd. So, this is one of the more significant elements of the board - what is at the top of the list - because it determines the priority of the entire content - and it is LESS customizable than on the old board. This thinking doesn't strike me as being an improvement in any way, shape, or form for ANYONE.

[Morpheus]

I like many of the new features, such as seeing all the new messages since my last log on. Searching used to be a big pain in the old format too.

The biggest issue is that you've got to find a view that is easier on the eyes. They are all too harsh.

[Craig Clark]

The new board has a number of problems:

1. Clutter
2. WAYY TOO SMALLL font size (and my vision is 20/15, 20/15, even at age 42!)
3. Too many options, bells, whistles....whatever you'd like to call them!

Might we please simplify and increase the font size?

The TW boards have been THE best place (by far) to discuss tennis on the net. Let's get it right!

CAC

[Craig Sheppard]

Please Deuce, enough with the gigantic font. One paragraph takes up my whole browser window, and I run a 19" display at 1280x1024. The standard 11pt (font size 2 for your HTMLers) is just fine, and it's what you see *everywhere* on the web. TW is no different than 90% of the web sites out there.

What are you people talking about easier on the eyes? Are you insane? The standard Verdana font is one of the easiest fonts to read, and it's on a light gray background. Back in, oh, 1994 or '95, when NCSA came out with their first browser, Mosaic, the standard was this same gray background!

You guys who whine about the board are a bunch of Luddites. The web is going to evolve, get used to it. This board ROCKS now. It's so much easier to use and to find new information. The fresh threads bump to the top where they belong so you can easily see what's been added to.

I say GREAT JOB TW!

-Craig.

[@wright]

I agree with Craig, it's easy to read for me. I have no problem with the subsilver theme either. It's not like we're sitting here for 8 hours a day reading posts. BTW I love the quick reply window, it makes posting sooooo easy, much simpler than the old board.

[sseemiller]

I love the new format, too. I also visit many forums, and this format is what I'm used to in many ways. I think it's great, and I think it may prevent some of the problems the Board has had in the past.

Well done to TW.

Susan

[Deuce]

Well, Craig, I've read numerous complaints that the font is too small (and it won't recognize IE font sizes), so I make the font big (when I remember to) for these people. Since I, too, think the font is much too small, it's a natural for me to make it bigger.

You're not going to make your font bigger for our benefit, so I'm not going to make mine smaller for your benefit.

What we need is a personalized option to customize font size to our individual preferences. If this new board were truly an improvement, it would have such a simple and practical option.

[mattlikovich]

I LOVE THE NEW BOARD!!! W00000T!!!!!

[TW Admin]

Deuce,

Many of those posts are from you. Your desire for a larger font size was duly noted many posts ago.

I've switched you from the subSilver theme you've been complaining about to the redIce theme we added to address some of your concerns.

The new software does many things better, some things differently and a few things maybe not as well. That's life. We are looking for mods to improve this board further. On that list are user definable font sizes and, now that it's become an issue, I wouldn't mind a system-wide maximum on font size.

[twos]

this is wierd...

[python]

Deuce,

Many of those posts are from you. Your desire for a larger font size was duly noted many posts ago.

I've switched you from the subSilver theme you've been complaining about to the redIce theme we added to address some of your concerns.

The new software does many things better, some things differently and a few things maybe not as well. That's life. We are looking for mods to improve this board further. On that list are user definable font sizes and, now that it's become an issue, I wouldn't mind a system-wide maximum on font size.

Amen. It's like anything else. The silent majority who either like the changes or do not care remain silent while the squeaky wheels get the brunt of the attention. I applaud TW for their huge patience on this issue, even to the extent of carting out multiple skins for the convenience of their users. I would suggest that their patience is close to being exhausted along with many of the majority's. Enough hijacking of this board already. Let's see the limit on font sizes imposed.

[Max G.]

I'd just like to note that, when you first switched to this board, there were plenty of little things that irked me, that I liked more on the old one.

Every single one of them has been resolved - either it was added, or I finally realized how to use the new boards.

Great job, TW! Awesome boards! :D

[mojo]

The new software does many things better, some things differently and a few things maybe not as well. That's life. We are looking for mods to improve this board further. On that list are user definable font sizes and, now that it's become an issue, I wouldn't mind a system-wide maximum on font size.

Amen. As a long-time reader, but infrequent poster, who values the content here, I applaud the board modernization. Other mods and features -- e.g. spell check -- would be nice, but I'm willing to do without some bells and whistles. I commend TW for acting quickly on other issues, like multiple color schemes.

But some users, who are either unable or unwilling to change the font size on their individual computer screens or adjust their personal board options, are rendering the whole thing completely useless by commandeering entire pages of the board with single posts in extra large fonts. That kind of behavior is inconsiderate and, on other boards, simply not allowed. A fixed font size or system-wide maximum is necessary to prevent that kind of behavior.

[topspin]

mojo that's your opinion, this font is MUCH easier to read and I take the time to set it to this out of consideration for the eyes of readers, if you don't like it then tough cookies :P

[Simba]

It looks weird probably because it is new. I don't mind the change itself but the new message board is missing something. Despite of huge efforts of TW, this change may bring about not that deisrable result.

As complained by many, the main message should have been more emphasized, and the changing pages in the same thread is a pain (hard to find the link and to wait).

I am willing to adjust myself in this new system, but I just feel that can not be done solely by myself.

[Deuce]

It seems that those who like the new board cannot seem to understand those who do not. THEY like it, so all must be fine in the world - and anyone who expresses a dislike is just a "whiner".

It sure seems that it is such people - not those complaining about the new boards - who lack consideration and understanding for others. Now that they have what they want, no other perspective matters.

[Phil]

It seems that those who like the new board cannot seem to understand those who do not. THEY like it, so all must be fine in the world - and anyone who expresses a dislike is just a "whiner".

It sure seems that it is such people - not those complaining about the new boards - who lack consideration and understanding for others. Now that they have what they want, no other perspective matters.

Deuce - Yes, I think those who like the board probably CAN understand it. And no, anyone who expresses a dislike is not a whiner, but YOU most certainly ARE-your old lady, squeaky voiced protestations go well beyond merely "expressing your opinion". Man, are you in the least capable of stepping back and LISTENING to yourself? That you aren't, we've known for years.

The fact that TW went out of their way, despite your shrill whinning, to help you is an indication of how much they value their die hard members-even the cranky ones. Have you ever CONSIDERED the people who DO like the board? No, just your own stinkin', selfish self.

You're obviously a Luddite who cannot tolerate anything even remotely new. Fine. Go catch the next stage coach to Manitoba.

[Phil]

It seems that those who like the new board cannot seem to understand those who do not. THEY like it, so all must be fine in the world - and anyone who expresses a dislike is just a "whiner".

It sure seems that it is such people - not those complaining about the new boards - who lack consideration and understanding for others. Now that they have what they want, no other perspective matters.

Deuce - Yes, I think those who like the board probably CAN understand it. And no, anyone who expresses a dislike is not a whiner, but YOU most certainly ARE-your old lady, squeaky voiced protestations go well beyond merely "expressing your opinion". Man, are you in the least capable of stepping back and LISTENING to yourself? That you aren't, we've known for years.

The fact that TW went out of their way, despite your shrill whinning, to help you is an indication of how much they value their die hard members-even the cranky ones. Have you ever CONSIDERED the people who DO like the board? No, just your own stinkin', selfish self.

You're obviously a Luddite who cannot tolerate anything even remotely new. Fine. Go catch the next stage coach to Manitoba.

[Deuce]

If you could see past your not so subtle prejudice, and actually place things in their proper context, rather than deliberately twisting it, you would see that the changes I would like the new board to implement will not deprive anyone of anything - it would only ADD OPTIONS, so that more people could be happy.

We had more options - that means CHOICES to those of you who don't understand - on the old board.

You can continue to deliberately 'misunderstand', twist context, and call people names if it makes you feel 'better', or you can realize that more options is a GOOD thing, as it means that more people can participate on these boards at their own individual comfort level.

[amarone]

Good god, I agree with Phil on something.

[Ash Doyle]

I agree with Deuce. The new board totally kills the user experience for me, and I don't even come to the boards as much as I used to because of it. Changes he is asking for only supply options, not take away stuff that others may want.

Change, in and of itself, is neither good nor bad. It just happens that to some of us THIS change was BAD.

[python]

I agree with Deuce. The new board totally kills the user experience for me, and I don't even come to the boards as much as I used to because of it. Changes he is asking for only supply options, not take away stuff that others may want.

Change, in and of itself, is neither good nor bad. It just happens that to some of us THIS change was BAD.

And to some of us, the change was good. I like having a useful search feature that does not return large amounts of bogus records. The highway runs in both directions.

[Ash Doyle]

And to some of us, the change was good. I like having a useful search feature that does not return large amounts of bogus records. The highway runs in both directions.

Exactly. Deuce is not asking that any of these new features be taken from you, just that some features be added back as an OPTION so that we can have them while you have your new features. This argument is actually pointless. You are arguing not to have something taken away, we are arguing to have the option to have something closer to how it was before. The key word in that last sentence being OPTION.

[penpal]

Duece - so it sounds like you have two main gripes:

1) The fonts aren't customizable
2) You don't have the option to arrange posts in chronological order with respect to the date they were originally entered

Am I missing anything here?

Now, evidently, changing your text size in your browser isn't working for you. Maybe as an alternative solution you could try changing your resolution. As it sounds like you're using a PC, just go to your Start menu, select your Control Panel, select Themes and Appearances and change your resolution to 800X600. This will definitely make everything bigger on every site you visit.

Another thing you might want to try is press the Shift-Left Alt-Print Screen keys all at once. This should convert your screen to High Contrast - a feature included with Windows for those who have vision problems. If you don't like the contrast features, you can change the options in your Themes and Appearances menu - you should find an option for High Contrast Advanced settings somewhere in there.

Now, you still won't be able to order the posts as you like, but if that's your only remaining complaint about the new board I'd have to say it's pretty minor in the big scheme of things.

[python]

And to some of us, the change was good. I like having a useful search feature that does not return large amounts of bogus records. The highway runs in both directions.

Exactly. Deuce is not asking that any of these new features be taken from you, just that some features be added back as an OPTION so that we can have them while you have your new features. This argument is actually pointless. You are arguing not to have something taken away, we are arguing to have the option to have something closer to how it was before. The key word in that last sentence being OPTION.

Fine, Ash. Let's be more specific: It may be that TW will be unwilling or unable to accomodate you any further. They're in the business of selling gear after all, not software development.

There are plenty of things I WANT on this board (like a stronger moderation policy for example), but I'm prepared for the eventuality that they will never come to fruition. Perhaps the same should hold true for others? Give TW a few months to move in. If after that point you still don't enjoy visiting here, don't. Endless complaining about the same point over and over again just annoys other people who frankly don't care about the gripe. Don and company have received the message loud and clear. Give them some time to work on things.

[@wright]

Amen python. I bet these bellyachers can guess how much money TW pulls in from this board. About the same amount I make from playing tennis. At least some of them are trying to get used to it instead of the sarcasm constantly.

[chad shaver]

My big gripe is the fact that some folks gripe...and gripe...and gripe...and gripe. WE GET THE POINT.

[mojo]

mojo that's your opinion, this font is MUCH easier to read and I take the time to set it to this out of consideration for the eyes of readers, if you don't like it then tough cookies :P

First of all, topspin, there's nothing "MUCH easier to read" about your large dark blue type on the dark background of my color scheme. In fact, it's impossible to read; I could only decipher your message after I quoted it in the white reply box.

So you actually proved my point: You have no idea which color scheme I use -- and it wouldn't be an issue if the board had a consistent set of rules that prohibited riduculous color choices and maintained a standard font size and style. If YOU prefer to read everything in large, dark purple, set your own computer to render it that way or find an 8th-grader in your neighborhood who can do it for you. But don't force it on the rest of us, and don't pretend to be acting out of "consideration for the eyes of readers" -- leave that to the board admin.

[Frodo Baggins]

Fun Times!!! :D

[Camilio Pascual]

I don't like the new message board, either, but I'll get used to it. It looks too busy to me and all kinds of options don't interest me. It is the text of the people's messages I pay attention to. The strong feelings expressed here about the design/functioning of a message board surprised me a lot.

[TW Admin]

We have added the ability to sort posts by either last reply (the default) or creation date. Go to your profile and look for "Sort topics by last post".

[Verbal_Kint]

Well Done! Thanks! You guys are the Greatest. So let's start posting tennis messages now :)

Marnix

[topspin]

yo mojo, it's not my fault that the themes aren't smart enough to realize that blue text won't be readable on a blue backgroud...ok???

and no I don't need an 8th grader like u to tell me what to do, if you understood pc's like u seem to suggest you do, you would realize that changing resolution to accomodate this one website would mess up everything else and is no solution at all. Once again it seems that those who are happy with the way things are now are unwilling to add options for those of us who want some of the old features. None of us want to remove any of your features though, so what's the big deal?

Anyhow I'm happy to report that at least TW is sensitive to the concerns of some of us and they have already added the option to view the threads in the order they were posted instead of by last post. Good job TW.

[mojo]

yo mojo, it's not my fault that the themes aren't smart enough to realize that blue text won't be readable on a blue backgroud...ok???

It has nothing to do with the intelligence of the themes.

and no I don't need an 8th grader like u to tell me what to do

Remember, this rant began when I replied to the board admin -- not you -- in support of the admin's suggestion that a maximum font size may be in order. You replied to me that if I didn't like large fonts it was "tough cookies" and ended your post by sticking out your tongue: :P. So who's the 8th-grader?

Once again it seems that those who are happy with the way things are now are unwilling to add options for those of us who want some of the old features. None of us want to remove any of your features though, so what's the big deal?

An electronic bulletin board like this requires a level of consistency and readability in presentation to keep the information from becoming obscured. That's why successful boards have rules governing font size, use of colors, html, etc. As for the "old features," the previous board had no features. Things like how posts are ordered should be changeable via personal preferences, since you and I may not agree with the system default. But things like font size or typeface should be controlled by the admin to prevent the whole thing from looking like a circus.

[Phil]

Allright, Deuce; point taken re. the board format. My comments aren't really about that as much as about your childish outbursts here. Anyway, like Camilio, I just read the text, and write. Whatever "options" are available are well and good, but as long as I can open the thing up (the Board, that is), read it, and then type something in, the rest doesn't interest me all that much. Maybe you'd like a few more emoticons with your pancakes?

[@wright]

I'm glad everyone is on their way to being a happy board contributor. I think TW is doing a fantastic job at trying to please everyone, which really isn't worth their time.

[Shaolin]

I wish everyone could chill a little...

If you like the way new Boards look, just be happy that youre happy...........If you are not as happy with them, like Deuce or Ash is, or I was, keep posting and try to get things changed, its already having positive effects, such as skins changes, topics listing options, etc.

If someone doesn't like the new Boards and wants them back in certain ways as they were before, its not a personal attack against anyone, or "whining" for no reason, its because we liked how theboards were before and would like to enjoy them as we did before.

Also, like its been said before, new technologies arent always better because theyre new. I would take an old POG over a new 28" Hyperhammer with rollers, etc. anyday. You might like the older frame, you might like the newer frame, no one is right or wrong.

IMO, and others, there was a lot right with the old one, and its going to take time to adjust to the new one. If you immediately loved the new Boards, then consider yourself lucky and be happy. Dont sit there and throw rocks and make fun of the people that are having a hard time with it.

Also try to respect other posters. We are more alike than we are different. Does your girlfriend care about the difference between a 310 and a 340 swingweight, or 16 vs 18 mains? She doesnt give a sh*t, nor do most people, but its important to us, so stick together.

Thanks everyone and happy posting.

[topspin]

mojo, it would make sense to design the themes so that the colors would not clash...as far as me answering to you, well too bad, this is a message board and i can reply to whoever i want, i won't even reply to your tongue thing, if you can't take a joke well that's not my problem

[Deuce]

Very well said, Shaolin.

Thanks for efficiently providing necessary insight and context.

[Verbal_Kint]

The problem is the same thing is said about a million times, every day. When multiple people have got a problem with something, chances are TW is working on that.

If someone wants them to adress a problem, then E-MAIL them. This is a much better way to ask for changes, because you adress someone, instead of voicing your complaint to the whole board. Voicing your complaint to the whole board is not a problem either, just don't do it ten times a day, have a little patience..

Marnix

[chad shaver]

Marnix, you are my favorite Dutchman. Just so you know. Well stated.

[mojo]

...as far as me answering to you, well too bad, this is a message board and i can reply to whoever i want, i won't even reply to your tongue thing, if you can't take a joke well that's not my problem

Next time I'll activate the board's "Canadian Humor" translator. :wink:

But seriously, isn't our ability to carry on this discussion -- however tedious it may be -- proof that we can all adjust to the new landscape? I for one can't wait to get back to discussing the really important stuff -- who makes the best shoe for people with two left feet, the molecular structure of LiquidMetal and who has the better serve: Flavio Saretta or Filippo Volandri? :D

[Shaolin]

Thanks Deuce. I felt like I had to say something, you guys are my people. When I started this thread I just wanted to express the pain I was feeling about the change at that moment, I really didnt want to instigate a fight between posters. Anyway, I hope the board is more to your (and everyones) liking soon.

Mojo--You left out Irakli Labadze and Ladislav Svarc, dont forget those guys!

[@wright]

Shaolin, you created a thread that has 130 replies, very impressive! That's the biggest thread i've ever seen, even on the old board.

[mojo]

You left out Irakli Labadze and Ladislav Svarc, dont forget those guys!

My bad. I didn't want to dis players who are household names.

[Max G.]

My bad. I didn't want to dis players who are household names.

HAHA. Awesome stuff, mojo... :D

[topspin]

mojo, not a problem, my advice is to drink some real Canadian beer and then you'll get the humor maybe, lol

actually you know I do agree with you that standards should be in place, all I was saying is that the default font is kind of small compared to the old one, the solution is to offer us a choice of viewable font sizes, the themes do that but more themes are needed, anyhow slowly tw is getting things right, i can practically hear the click click of their keyboards as the programmers work to resolve these issues

[mojo]

my advice is to drink some real Canadian beer and then you'll get the humor

You're absolutely right. I had a Molson with dinner and it immediately reminded me of the Canadian who was walking down the street with a case of beer under his arm. His friend Doug stopped him and asked, "Hey Bob! Whacha get the case of beer for?"

"I got it for my wife, eh," Bob answered.

"Oh!" Doug exclaimed, "good trade."

[Frodo Baggins]

Come Again :shock: :roll:

[Shaolin]

Thanks for the props, Awright. :lol:

Maybe we can keep it going forever, just keep posting random crap. Its already gone so off topic, no one has to have it relate to anything really. We could make this the official "mullet-talk" thread, see if we can get it to 1000+ posts. See, with the new technology, this post can stay alive forever :D
I dont even hate the new board anymore. So, post whatever random thing you want, guys.

By the way, you should change your name to Aiiight, instead of Awright...its more gangsta.

[topspin]

ok shaolin, uhmmm who likes pizza??? haha

[Cypo]

or what about..

The answer is "The rooster clucks defiance."
What was the question ?

[@wright]

Broccoli give me HORRIBLE gas...

Mullet talk eh? I saw this mullet yesterday in a car behind me in the bank line, it was grey, feathered on top, and curly and frizzy in the back. The guy also had a 'stache and some mirrored aviator sunglasses, he must have really thought he was a rock star...That was the best one I've seen in months.

[Shaolin]

Oooh. thats pretty nasty...you shouldve gotten out of your car and given him the old "Mtv Real World" slap :twisted:

Mullets tend to be dangerous and unpredictable though, so you probably should not engage. Unless theyre smaller than you and have no available weapon, but even then be careful. They can be ingenious in the weapon dept, theyve probably been in jail, and could probably find a way to make a shank out of a book of matches, or a napkin or something.

I saw a nasty Fe-mullet yesterday, feathered on the sides really huge, then coming down straight and long in the back..."the Peacock"is its formal name. Ugggghhhhh....horrible.

[@wright]

This one wouldn't be a mullet to mess with, I'm pretty sure he had a deer rifle in the extended cab of his early 90's Ford F-150, plus this was lunch time, so I'm sure he was already intoxicated from drinking natural light tall boys on the way to the construction site.

[Shaolin]

LOL Alan...Of course he had a rifle in his Ford F150, that comes standard with the mullet in most states.

You could get away with it though, because any self-respecting mullet will be sitting on 2 strikes already (one for domestic violence, one for aggrivated assault/burglary) and cant do anything to you. So taunt away!

Then again, a true mullet will be owing tons of alimony and months of child support, will be drunk (as you said) and will also have just lost his job that morning at the factory, and will have problems with his truck, so theres also that possibility that he might just "snap" and get out that rifle.

So actually, no, dont taunt a mullet in person. Come to these boards to taunt them.

[@wright]

LOL Ed, that was classic. How about 3 things most likely to happen at a family reunion: 4)arson 3)grand theft auto 2)homicide 1)conception.

[Gary Britt]

Axle, are you a German who played at Westside Tennis Club in Houston during the 80's and 90's?

Gary

[10s247]

why is it horrible?

[equinox]

Sorry to see you leave shaolin. ;)

[AlpineCadet]

Sorry to see you leave shaolin. ;)Did you check the thread date? 2004. :|

[HyperHorse]

You guys know about the BBC car show, Top Gear?
You know they did a special episode about their road trip in the US, and they managed to piss off some Alabama people along the way.

[rommil]

You guys know about the BBC car show, Top Gear?
You know they did a special episode about their road trip in the US, and they managed to piss off some Alabama people along the way.

Doesn't take much for people in Alabama to get pissed. I like the big oafy guy in TG, he is funny.

[Duzza]

You guys know about the BBC car show, Top Gear?
You know they did a special episode about their road trip in the US, and they managed to piss off some Alabama people along the way.

Yeah I heard about that. What's the deal?

[beernutz]

Doesn't take much for people in Alabama to get pissed. I like the big oafy guy in TG, he is funny.

Hey, I'm pissed!

Seriously, generalize large diverse populations much?