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radical1
01-25-2005, 09:26 PM
anyone notice some of the pros using very thin beam racquets? coria and fed i believe are using 16mm frames. anyone know the benefits of a very thin frame? and anyone know what the thinniest frames that are available for public purchase?

Noelle
01-26-2005, 02:21 AM
Guillermo Canas is also using a thin beam racquet.

BLiND
01-26-2005, 03:46 AM
you can get a LOT more spin from a thin beam frame

degreefanlindi
01-26-2005, 05:50 AM
I can't say I blame them...thin beams are ideal I think.

ollinger
01-26-2005, 07:26 AM
Are you suggesting a thin racquet would offer more spin and/or play better than a wider frame with, say, the same flex rating? Why would that be? (let's assume one could generate comparable head speed with both, noting that at sub-sonic speed, pointier objects are NOT more aerodynamic, which is why race cars and airliners are curved rather than pointed in front).
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BLiND
01-26-2005, 07:43 AM
Because with a thin beam, you can hit a much more severe brushing angle for spin shots, without the ball hitting the beam.

Mies
01-26-2005, 07:49 AM
I seriously doubt whether a 30 mm beam would make you frame more shots than a 16mm beam considering how "closed" your racket face would have to be for the frame to actually interfere with the path of the ball. A ball framed with a 30 mm beam would probably be a serious mishit with a 16 mm beam as well, even if it hit the stringbed.

It can be calculated of course, if someone feels like it (considering this written at 16.47 local time and my working day is nearly finished, I'm not gonna do it :).....)

ollinger
01-26-2005, 08:47 AM
Exactly. Take a look at still photos of heavy topspin players (abundant photos on web during AO) and you'll see that the racquet's angle of attack on the ball leaves PLENTY of margin for a wide frame, not even close to contacting the ball with the frame.
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hummer23
01-26-2005, 09:39 AM
case and and point, andy roddick

Ronaldo
01-26-2005, 11:19 AM
Not sure if a thin beam cures all ills, fewer mishits yes but picked up a few thin beams that vibrated like a tuning fork.

BLiND
01-26-2005, 01:57 PM
I disagree... I frame more shots with thick beam racquets.

Also... Andy rodick hits fairly flat, he's not a spin artist... players like, Hewit, Coria, Federer all have <21mm beams. There will be some exceptions but thinker beams are more prone to framing.

netpunk
01-26-2005, 02:36 PM
There will be some exceptions but thinker beams are more prone to framing.

Do thinker frames figure out the best shot? Or is it a hybrid of a thin frame and a thick one? Please, tell me!

splink779
01-26-2005, 04:11 PM
[QUOTE=BLiND]
Also... Andy rodick hits fairly flatQUOTE]

I strongly disagree. He has to hit with a lot of topspin to keep his shots in. Not to mention his insane running forehand on a low ball. That thing curves!

deflori
01-26-2005, 06:05 PM
most use thin beams,the only rackets i noticed is the pure drive team and the head instinct on the atp circuit,which are thicker...

perfmode
01-26-2005, 06:46 PM
Because with a thin beam, you can hit a much more severe brushing angle for spin shots, without the ball hitting the beam.


You don't know anything, do you?

If you hit the sweetspot, the frame doesn't matter. There's no way in hell you can shank a ball hit in the COP.

perfmode
01-26-2005, 06:47 PM
[QUOTE=BLiND]
Also... Andy rodick hits fairly flatQUOTE]

I strongly disagree. He has to hit with a lot of topspin to keep his shots in. Not to mention his insane running forehand on a low ball. That thing curves!

Roddick does hit the ball relatively flat. He brushes up and through the ball, giving it a lot more pace but a lower trajectory.

hummer23
01-26-2005, 08:41 PM
does coria really use a very thin frame stick? i thought the POG was 19mm or so thick? he has something specially made then?

charles_boey
01-26-2005, 08:49 PM
I think thin beams flex more and offer a more traditional feel. You can get more spin cause the frame cups the ball longer.
Boxed frames also offer more flex than compared to oval cross section frames.
As for framing balls.. i suppose it's very obvious during mishits. take 2 identical mid sized racket frames and the one with a thicker beam will suffer the consequenses more.
in the case of Pure drives.. i don't see the problem of framing cause it has a generous 100sq in hitting area
now if wilson were to make a 30mm frame for a 85sq...that'd be something.

Underhanded
01-26-2005, 08:52 PM
Wider beamed racquets tend be made of stiffer composites than the more flexible thinned framed sticks. Which leads me to a quote taken from the Tennis Warehouse racquet guide, "A lesser known effect of frame stiffness is the amount of spin that can be generated. Generally speaking, stiffer racquets provide less spin than flexible racquets because the ball leaves the stringbed more quickly."

gmlasam
01-26-2005, 09:07 PM
you can get a LOT more spin from a thin beam frame
That explains why the POG is such a fantastic spin monster. It's beam is 19 width.

hummer23
01-26-2005, 09:46 PM
no sir, the pog isnt a good spin frame because of its beam, but rather because of the very open string pattern. the wid has just 14 mains. the prestige calssic, same head size, has 18 mains by contrast. the thin beam does make hte frame more flexible, which holds the ball on hte stringbed a littel bit longer, but the prestige also is a flexible frame. the main differnce between the POg and other frames of same head size that determines how much spin the produce, is string pattern.

gmlasam
01-26-2005, 09:51 PM
Yes, but having a thin beam and an open string pattern contributes to the POG's very high spin potential. Comparing the POG with the Prestige, the POG would have greater spin potential overall because of the open string pattern and thin beam combination.

hummer23
01-26-2005, 09:55 PM
they are both 19mm frames, both standard leanth. the only variables taht are different are weight and string pattern, as head size is also the same. there is no doubt that the POG is more spin friendly, and because thier frames have the same width, the string pattern is the reason for this. if youve ever strung a POG mid, you know just how easy it is, takes 15 minutes if you dont rush.

charles_boey
01-26-2005, 10:20 PM
sorry but i have to go with splink776 on this one..

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=52064976&cdi=0
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from the pictures...it's impossible to hit a flat ball with his arm curved like that.

Roddick does hit the ball relatively flat. He brushes up and through the ball, giving it a lot more pace but a lower trajectory.

that sounds like spin to me... :)

gmlasam
01-26-2005, 10:23 PM
sorry but i have to go with splink776 on this one..

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=52064976&cdi=0
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=52064920&cdi=0
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from the pictures...it's impossible to hit a flat ball with his arm curved like that.



that sounds like spin to me... :)Yes he uses a full western grip. Such grip is known for its extreme topspin potential. Brushing up on a ball from low to high equals spin.

charles_boey
01-26-2005, 10:27 PM
not to mention...u really need to impart spin while using Pure Drives.
it's kind like a way of hitting that is required while using Pure Drives. flat strokes just don't cut it.
that's why spinmasters..ie the Spanish players and claycourt specialist prefer a racket that can generate more spin. in other words..no spin no money.

BLiND
01-27-2005, 03:18 AM
I still think Andy doesn't use spin half as much as those players I mentioned... with the babs, charles is right... because they have a much larger head (100") than most, they won't suffer so much... if they had a 90", with their beams, they would be horrible to hit heavy spin with. Can anyone think of a Mid size frame with 21mm> beam?

So, I guess, we should say, its not just the beam, its the head size, beam, and string density. All I am saying is that thinner beams are better for lots of spin... but not the be-all and end-all in spin!

Ash_Smith
01-27-2005, 03:32 AM
Does anybody remember or even use those Wilson Spin framed rackets from about 10 years ago, they were never released in the UK (I don't think so anyway) but I bought a couple from Spain. I found one in the garage the other day, think I used it between the ages of 13-16, completely forgot I still had it. The premise there was that the thin beam would present greater potential for spin, I used to hit okay with it as I remeber. The frame is similar in dimensions to a thin piece of dowling.

Ronaldo
01-27-2005, 04:00 AM
Wilson Hammer 5.5 w/15mm beam.

winks
01-27-2005, 04:04 AM
......So, I guess, we should say, its not just the beam, its the head size, beam, and string density. All I am saying is that thinner beams are
better for lots of spin... but not the be-all and end-all in spin!

True dat.

Does anybody remember or even use those Wilson Spin framed rackets from about 10 years ago, they were never released in the UK (I don't think so anyway) but I bought a couple from Spain. I found one in the garage the other day, think I used it between the ages of 13-16, completely forgot I still had it. The premise there was that the thin beam would present greater potential for spin, I used to hit okay with it as I remeber. The frame is similar in dimensions to a thin piece of dowling.

Wilson 5.5 Hammer Spin - This from the "thin frame racquets" thread going on right now on the racquets forum. There are several posts on this racquet...
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=39408

And (just in) here "thinnest racquet ever"...
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=39496.

I think beam width is very important and IMO thinner beam = easier to impart more spin on the ball. I think it would be useful if TW added beam-width to their racquet-search parameters.