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Nanshiki
08-02-2008, 09:12 PM
I saw something about Lacoste's "guitar" racquet that supposedly gives a bigger sweet spot... is this the same concept that the Wilson Pro Staff has, with the little buldges in the middle of the head? It seems to give the same shape without looking so silly.

Did they copy it or buy the design from Lacoste (who designed the T2000 as well).

*breaksracquet
08-02-2008, 09:17 PM
I saw that same special on tennis c h a n n e l (Lacoste's special). I too, wonder if that is true? That design is still seen in K Factors, Ncodes, etc.

Nanshiki
08-02-2008, 09:26 PM
Just realzed they were called PWS... not sure what that means but I bet it's power something )
(wing?) system...lol

SFrazeur
08-02-2008, 09:28 PM
The little "buldges in the middle of the head" are PWS (Premier Weighting System). Originally PWS was just weight riveted to the frame. (See '80s Wilson Ultra I racquet) Later they added the PWS bumps you see up through today; I recall reading from a poster that Wilson may have had to have gone to the bumps due to a conflict with Yonex's IPS system--I'm not sure on that though.

-SF

DarthCow
08-02-2008, 10:45 PM
I just think of the PWS as a bit of lead at 3 and 9.

adams_1
08-02-2008, 11:54 PM
The little "buldges in the middle of the head" are PWS (Perimeter Weighting System). Originally PWS was just weight riveted to the frame. (See '80s Wilson Ultra I racquet) Later they added the PWS bumps you see up through today; I recall reading from a poster that Wilson may have had to have gone to the bumps due to a conflict with Yonex's IPS system--I'm not sure on that though.

-SF


Sorry, had to do it :P

m1stuhxsp4rk5
08-03-2008, 12:31 AM
how does this racket play? sorry to ask this in your thread

Dino Lagaffe
08-03-2008, 03:03 AM
A few comments:

- The sweet spot is a spot and cannot really be enlarged. What you can do, and what Lacoste did, was to make the string bed more forgiving on off-sweet spot hits. It should really be compared to Yonex's isometric head shape, rather than Wilson's PWS-system, which is a weighting system.

- PWS = Perimeter Weighting System (not Premier).

- The specs of the Lacoste LT301:

Static Weght: 358 g / 12.63 oz
Swing Weight: 330
Flex: 62

The racquet plays pretty much as you would expect from the stats (like most racquets do), but maybe has a more cushioned feel than the flex rating indicates. Maybe this is due to its anti-vibration device; the racquet has a rubber "thing" coming out of the handle, supposedly leading the vibrations out into the rubber thing rather than into the handle.

beedlejuice22
08-03-2008, 04:49 AM
^^Like cortex?

Nanshiki
08-04-2008, 06:46 PM
A few comments:

- The sweet spot is a spot and cannot really be enlarged. What you can do, and what Lacoste did, was to make the string bed more forgiving on off-sweet spot hits. It should really be compared to Yonex's isometric head shape, rather than Wilson's PWS-system, which is a weighting system.

- PWS = Perimeter Weighting System (not Premier).

- The specs of the Lacoste LT301:

Static Weght: 358 g / 12.63 oz
Swing Weight: 330
Flex: 62

The racquet plays pretty much as you would expect from the stats (like most racquets do), but maybe has a more cushioned feel than the flex rating indicates. Maybe this is due to its anti-vibration device; the racquet has a rubber "thing" coming out of the handle, supposedly leading the vibrations out into the rubber thing rather than into the handle.

Every single racquet company has some sort of "technology" that supposedly gives you a bigger sweet spot. I realize this is basically just marketing technobabble and I'm basically just humoring them when I say it SUPPOSEDLY gives it a bigger sweet spot (you can move a sweet spot but it's basically impossible to make it bigger without making the whole racket bigger...).

Rabbit
08-04-2008, 07:04 PM
The most famous user of the LaCoste racket you mention was Guy Forget. In an inteview, he said he was contacted directly by Rene LaCoste to try the frame. Forget said he was more than skeptical, but after hitting with the frame was enamored.

The frame's indentions were in the same vein as Rossignol's inverted bridge. The PWS (Perimeter Weighting System) was different. It was done to add weight at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions for added stability.

SFrazeur
08-04-2008, 07:11 PM
Sorry, had to do it :P

Not sure why you're sorry. Yeah, I misspell words that windup turning into other words all the time. READ: Badly Dyslexic.

Now, at least I did not use and misspell gentle or wore.

-SF

adams_1
08-05-2008, 12:39 AM
Not sure why you're sorry.

A lot of people get annoyed when i'm in grammar/spelling **** mode on other forums ;)

VGP
08-05-2008, 09:13 AM
I think the Wilson PWS bumps could be more for stiffness than weight. Kinda like the "anti-flexpoint" since the bulges don't seem to me to add much weight......

superstition
08-05-2008, 09:30 AM
This racquet is very rare, right? I had not even heard of it until I saw that TT thing.

Rabbit
08-05-2008, 11:24 AM
Most all Lacoste frames are rare to tell you the truth, at least in the States. I don't know of anyone who sold them since I've been playing.

The frame Forget played with had problems with breaking as I remember.

Rabbit
08-05-2008, 11:25 AM
I think the Wilson PWS bumps could be more for stiffness than weight. Kinda like the "anti-flexpoint" since the bulges don't seem to me to add much weight......

Originally, at least, I think they had something in them. I seem to remember folks complaining about them rattling after some use. The name itself, Perimeter Weighting System implies that it was more for weight than stiffness though.

xtrakewl
08-05-2008, 11:28 AM
can we get some pics???

superstition
08-05-2008, 11:43 AM
I did a quick Google images search and couldn't find one.

Ronaldo
08-05-2008, 11:45 AM
Recall Value City/Shottensteins closing out Rossignol/Lacoste/Donnay/Snauwaert racquets about 15-20 yrs ago for $10 each. That Hi-Ten with 12 mains was one of them and this Lacoste racquet may be included. Only recall that rubber appendage from the butt of the racquet like the T-5000.

VGP
08-05-2008, 12:09 PM
Originally, at least, I think they had something in them. I seem to remember folks complaining about them rattling after some use. The name itself, Perimeter Weighting System implies that it was more for weight than stiffness though.

Yeah, I understand that, but I'm sure it's not the first time that something works better in a way than it was initially intended......(i.e. rogaine, viagra)

BTW, here's a pic of Guy Forget with the Lacoste frame....

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/files_tennis/FORGET_Guy_1992_SF_T.jpg

Ronaldo
08-05-2008, 01:06 PM
I did a quick Google images search and couldn't find one.

http://home.hetnet.nl/~jam2000/LacosteEquijet255G21a.jpg