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benlance
01-29-2005, 05:08 PM
Hi,

am a satellite/futures player using Babolat pure drive (like most). Have been experimenting with weight and balance. Would love to get info on setup (weight, balance and positioning of tape, string and tension) for PD users amongst pro's: Roddick, Moya, Lapentti, Clement, Nadal (similar style frame), etc.... and opinions regarding weight and arm soreness issue. Thanks a lot!

fedex27
01-29-2005, 05:16 PM
i no roddick uses babolat pro hurricane 16 in the mains and vs natural touch in the crosses. 67 lbs i think.

finchy
01-29-2005, 06:16 PM
roddick puts alot of lead tape between 8 & 10 and 2 & 4.

his racquet is very head heavy.

hummer23
01-29-2005, 06:32 PM
roddick has thick and long peices of leasd at 3 and 9, as well as pleanty of lead under the bumper at 12. search for grant morgan, or andy roddick pure drive pics, and you can see his frame and just how much lead he's got on the head. finshy is quite right, it is head heavy.

hummer23
01-29-2005, 06:37 PM
similarly, moya's frame is very very head heavy. in fact, he doesnt use a bab. pure drive, rather he has a babolat soft drive. this is a lighter model, and he just adds loads of lead on the head. most players add lead at 3 and 9 for more stability on this frame, and if you can swing it, some lead at 12 really gives some more power. it all depends on your arm. this racquet is light enough to mess around with tho. just start with 9-12 grams at 3 and 9. if thats good, at 4 grams to 12 and see how taht goes. i think that should be a nice combo for a pd.

benlance
01-31-2005, 04:05 AM
Thanks all, very good advice hummer23. I had heard that roddick used it pretty much off the shelf and this accounted for his arm soreness, but your explanation sounds right. Any others? Fele Lopez? Also, I have always used Babolat polymono 17 guage. I know most now use big banger> Any noticable advantage?

david aames
01-31-2005, 11:52 AM
Make that 62-63.

i no roddick uses babolat pro hurricane 16 in the mains and vs natural touch in the crosses. 67 lbs i think.

david aames
01-31-2005, 11:54 AM
Far from a lot. And certainly not 'very head heavy'.

roddick puts alot of lead tape between 8 & 10 and 2 & 4.

his racquet is very head heavy.

david aames
01-31-2005, 12:00 PM
How do you know he puts lead at 12? Can you tell how the lead is layered at 3 and 9? What makes you think he doesn't have lead in the handle or under the grip? ...

You guys should refrain from making assumptions just looking at pictures you see on Getty... Racquet customization is all but reverse engineering.

roddick has thick and long peices of leasd at 3 and 9, as well as pleanty of lead under the bumper at 12.

pro10is
02-22-2005, 02:43 PM
If you really care about your arm, go to where the pro's get it done. Bosworth International 6401 Congress Ave. #140, Boca Raton, Florida 33487 USA
Tel: +1 561-241-9966
You kids are so lucky now. It took me 10 years and lots of conections (+ dead arm trying to do it myself ) to find this stuff out. Best of luck. It really does make a differance.

Swan Song
02-22-2005, 07:55 PM
similarly, moya's frame is very very head heavy. in fact, he doesnt use a bab. pure drive, rather he has a babolat soft drive. this is a lighter model, and he just adds loads of lead on the head. most players add lead at 3 and 9 for more stability on this frame, and if you can swing it, some lead at 12 really gives some more power. it all depends on your arm. this racquet is light enough to mess around with tho. just start with 9-12 grams at 3 and 9. if thats good, at 4 grams to 12 and see how taht goes. i think that should be a nice combo for a pd.

He does actually use the old Pure Drive. The old Soft Drive looks like the Pure Drive cosmetic wise, string pattern, and the bumper guard on the 3 and the 9 o'clock postion , but it has a box shaped shaft as opposed to the tubular/aerodynamic shaft on the Pure Drive.

jura
02-25-2005, 03:13 AM
Hi,

am a satellite/futures player using Babolat pure drive (like most). Have been experimenting with weight and balance. Would love to get info on setup (weight, balance and positioning of tape, string and tension) for PD users amongst pro's: Roddick, Moya, Lapentti, Clement, Nadal (similar style frame), etc.... and opinions regarding weight and arm soreness issue. Thanks a lot!
Here are some dates (from 2003 Monte Carlo):
Benneteau: 343 gr., 32 cm balance, 70 cm length, strung with VS/Polymono
Roddick: 310/33/70/Polymono (now changed)
Alberto Martin: 318/32/68,5/Big Banger original
Ljubicic: 352/31,5/68,5/VS/Polymono
Escude: 321/32,5/70/VS
Arthurs: 310/32/70/VS/Luxilon
Moya: 310/36,5/68,5/Big Banger original
Lapentti: 345/31,5/68,5/VS

Marius_Hancu
02-25-2005, 02:18 PM
Here are some dates (from 2003 Monte Carlo):

Roddick: 310/33/70/Polymono (now changed)
Arthurs: 310/32/70/VS/Luxilon
Moya: 310/36,5/68,5/Big Banger original


Interesting, these are lighter that the stock PDs or PD+s, aren't they? Special molds for the pros?

Taking into account that Moya is mentioned as using lots of lead (one can see that from the balance, too), how light would be his racket without lead?

Marius_Hancu
02-25-2005, 02:37 PM
If you care are about your arm and your long-term future in tennis, check these threads:

Babolat = elbow pain? (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=27161)

Tennis elbow & Pure Drive ? (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=24756)

Need ideas to help reduce elbow problems w/ my current Pure Drive specs (inside)!!!! (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=41093)

In terms of tennis elbow, you seem to have made the worst possible racket choice, as shown by very many threads at this site. And probably worsened it by, I presume, choosing to play with Luxilons.

Hopefully this is not too late for you,
so you might want to read the posting by Ted in:
Has anyone tried shock wave therapy for tennis elbow? (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=41122)
He got TE from a Pure Drive, had to go to surgery and other nasty things.

Not something you would want to wish your enemy, thus ... forget about Babolats, if you want to play tennis for many years to come. Use heavier AND less rigid rackets.

And don't think only about elbows, think about the wrists too. And Kim Clijsters and her story.

Also, check this article (http://www.stms.nl/june2001/artikel23.htm)
by specialists of the French Federation:
and see the conclusions at the end.

And don't tell me you're young and can withstand the shocks better. I know personally one of the top 5 juniors in the WORLD and she had to give up on PDs as a result of this two years ago. At least her and her coach made the good choice and now she's able to play at the top.

No endorsement money is worth losing one's perfect health.

foetz
02-25-2005, 03:32 PM
well, i guess it's not surprising.
babolat racquets are just marketing toys. nothing serious.
i can't think of any special any babolat club has over others that would justify a purchase.

Metzler
02-25-2005, 08:30 PM
David, exactly right. Once you get the idea that all players on the tour use a 14 0z. head-heavy stick, you "just know" it and all evidence to the contrary is part of the "conspiracy" to keep the truth of real men using heavy racquets from the public at large.
BTW, I used a 31 oz. baseball bat when I was 10 years old - Norm Cash used a 30 oz. bat to hit .361 in 1961(Sport Magazine Baseball Preview, February 1962). It's just a personal preference in any sport with a stick, not who's is heaviest ='s who's the best.

jura
02-25-2005, 10:33 PM
Interesting, these are lighter that the stock PDs or PD+s, aren't they?
No, they are not. These are unstrung weights and the normal Pure Drive is less than 300 gr.

gregraven
03-05-2005, 08:14 PM
Far from a lot. And certainly not 'very head heavy'.

Andy's racquets are only about 17 grams heavier than stock, even including the "rubber band" dampener and overgrip, and the balance is almost identical to a stock racquet. The swingweight is higher, but it's not crazy (that is, nowhere near what Taylor Dent's racquet is, for example). Anyone could buy a stock Babolat PD+ and create a very similar racquet with a bit of lead tape.

ragnaROK
03-12-2005, 07:54 PM
Marius, there are PLENTY of stiffer frames out there than the PD. Playing with a PD isn't automactically gonna give you a bad elbow. Now it certainly doesnt help with some tennis related injuries but quit singling out Babolat. If everyone needed surgery after using a PD all the rest of you playing with tweeners are in trouble too.