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Eph
08-15-2008, 10:01 AM
It looks much better; I'm not sure on the footwork, and I am still not jumping up (at least not in these videos, but it feels I am...), but I *am* throwing the ball much higher.

I need to work on getting an effective toss. Can somebody explain how/when to do that?

The first video shows the full serve; the next is just mainly my feet, although it shows my racquet.

Another thing I realise; I don't really have a racquet drop. Feel free to be brutal, as long as you have some constructive criticism. : )

Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjzz-0DBLYY (sorry, should have put the camera higher)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTDsgTBfdDY (foot-view serve, and yes, I realise the horrible first serve; I usually have 2-3 when I first start)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX_sZF1VDY8 (feet again; the sound is better here)

jules2
08-15-2008, 10:24 AM
Great vids :)

Feel free to be brutal, as long as you have some constructive criticism. : )



Your racquet is nice. K90?

albino smurf
08-15-2008, 12:19 PM
Many, many issues. You are the guy who practiced a 1000 a day or whatever, right? Get a coach. Stick with it. Be prepared for some harsh critiques on this site.

LawnChairGeneral
08-15-2008, 12:41 PM
you are all upper body. get your legs involved and explode up to the ball. the main culprit here is your toss... you may be tossing it higher, but you are letting it drop too low at contact. you should be connecting with the ball at the peak of the toss. at contact point, your arm should be at full extension after pushing off with your legs. try tossing even higher and really force yourself to extend your entire body to reach up for the ball. it may feel weird at first, but you've got to go out of your comfort zone to break some habits.

Phil
08-15-2008, 12:57 PM
Recruit your hips, legs and shoulders in the service motion. Oh, and go easy on the donuts.

Eph
08-15-2008, 01:48 PM
Many, many issues. You are the guy who practiced a 1000 a day or whatever, right? Get a coach. Stick with it. Be prepared for some harsh critiques on this site.

I am working on a contract with a coach for ~5 days a week/1 hr a day when I get back, and when I'm not away following that.

Eph
08-15-2008, 01:50 PM
Oh, and go easy on the donuts.
I haven't had a doughnut in years, nor do I eat a lot of junk food (maybe none, depending on your definition of "junk food"). I don't want this to turn into another weight thread, thanks.

nickb
08-15-2008, 01:58 PM
You go on about string setups like Luxilon and natural gut in the strings section and if im right you had your racket/gear customized by Roman Prokes?

What a joke...someone needs to tell you...your a complete beginner...quit messing around with heavy/small rackets like the K90...using expensive and hard to use strings and start playing tennis.

Its harsh...but its the truth. I havent seen a serve that needs that much work in a long time.

Eph
08-15-2008, 02:02 PM
You go on about string setups like Luxilon and natural gut in the strings section and if im right you had your racket/gear customized by Roman Prokes?

What a joke...someone needs to tell you...your a complete beginner...quit messing around with heavy/small rackets like the K90...using expensive and hard to use strings and start playing tennis.

Its harsh...but its the truth. I havent seen a serve that needs that much work in a long time.

1) I can afford the services
2) Want to see worse? Go look at my serve videos from April
3) I've demoed lighter/midsized+ racquets; I don't like them. One was okay; the rest were bad, one was horrible.
4) "You're" not "your"

TonLars
08-15-2008, 02:10 PM
Best illustration is the first video at 1:30. The biggest fix you need to make is your contact point. You are collapsing down with the whole upper body as you hit; at such a low point of contact as someone previously pointed out with you letting the toss drop extremely low before striking.

Concentrate on hitting the ball earlier. Extend your arm fully up at the ball. Some other things which may help this would be to think about keeping your head, and left arm up much longer throughout the serve until you have hit it.

SFrazeur
08-15-2008, 02:19 PM
1) I can afford the services
2) Want to see worse? Go look at my serve videos from April
3) I've demoed lighter/midsized+ racquets; I don't like them. One was okay; the rest were bad, one was horrible.
4) "You're" not "your"

You may not like them as much or like the idea of them as much as the k90, however, you would be better off with a lighter MP size racquet. Learning tennis should not include overcoming a hurdle that, in all honesty, you have put in your own hands. And that is what that racquet is for you, a hurdle. One that has no real reason to exist.

-SF

tennisplayer20002000
08-15-2008, 02:29 PM
Agree with TonLars on the collapsing. Maybe you played ball and remember what it's like to throw or pitch. Well, now throw that baseball almost straight up, hard, toward the sun at 1 oclock. You hip will push forward to get those shoulders tilted to the max, and then you go up after it. Overall you got some good things going on there. Not too hitchy on the back swing, not too fancy on the footwork. Good luck bud.

SFrazeur
08-15-2008, 02:43 PM
Eph, excellent observations by TonLars here:

Best illustration is the first video at 1:30. The biggest fix you need to make is your contact point. You are collapsing down with the whole upper body as you hit; at such a low point of contact as someone previously pointed out with you letting the toss drop extremely low before striking.

I would practice his advice on your own, as well I would suggest getting with a pro soon and have him/her go over it with you and ask that they transfer you over to stepping foreword over the line with your non-dominate (left) foot instead of your dominate (right) foot.

Upper body collapsing is one of the problems that often occurs with stepping with the dominate foot forward over the line, it invites the upper body to collapse. Stepping with the non-dominate foot, however, is a far more efficient use of the service hitting structure and does not include the strong predilection for collapsing down as stepping with the dominate foot does.

-SF

Eph
08-15-2008, 05:55 PM
You may not like them as much or like the idea of them as much as the k90, however, you would be better off with a lighter MP size racquet. Learning tennis should not include overcoming a hurdle that, in all honesty, you have put in your own hands. And that is what that racquet is for you, a hurdle. One that has no real reason to exist.

-SF

I don't want to turn this into a choice-of-racquet-thread either. I've made my decision for several reasons and none have to do with it being the racquet Fed uses.

Thanks for the advice; I'll work on that.

jules2
08-15-2008, 06:40 PM
Your enthusiasm for tennis is admirable.

I terms of advice, slow everything down and concentrate on hitting the serve correctly without trying to bash the ball so hard. A good example of what I mean can be observed by watching the pro's warming up before a game. No jumping into the court etc. After all, if you can't do it slowly, you've no chance of doing it at speed. Smooth silky swing. Treat your serve like you'd treat a woman. (And I don't mean ask it to do your washing).

LuckyR
08-15-2008, 07:02 PM
Well, I would say that you have a motion with a few hitches (unnecessary motions) in addition you are essentially "arming" the ball over. That is you are using so much arm force that you are losing control of the ball. If you had a more traditional motion, you could slow your arm down (for control) yet have plenty of energy to have a serve with better pace, at the same time.

You know yourself better than we do, so whether lessons with a Pro, a video or a book will be best is up to you.

Venetian
08-15-2008, 07:07 PM
I would just say you need to study and try to emulate some pro strokes, as well as probably grab an instructor.

lkdog
08-15-2008, 07:23 PM
Head on over to Fuzzy Yellow Balls.

http://www.fuzzyyellowballs.com/

Check out the Serve videos. Work on the fundamentals.
The Serve is complex.
Good luck and keep at it.

volusiano
08-15-2008, 07:37 PM
Head on over to Fuzzy Yellow Balls.

http://www.fuzzyyellowballs.com/

Check out the Serve videos. Work on the fundamentals.
The Serve is complex.
Good luck and keep at it.

Yes, this is a good place to start, next to having a real coach.

Very first thing to change is the grip. It looks like you use the eastern forehand grip. Change it to continental to begin with.

Satch
08-15-2008, 07:53 PM
funny, i do think you need the services. After watching your video, you have no right to say this to him.
and btw somebody needs to tell you you're a beginner.

haha, nickb's game and the OP's game is like Roger's compared to mine...

[K]aotic
08-15-2008, 10:48 PM
funny, i do think you need the services. After watching your video, you have no right to say this to him.
and btw somebody needs to tell you you're a beginner.
well if you watch his vid.. u'll notice that :
1. The ball is traveling WAY faster than whatever kind of shot you hit.
2. He's taking them on the rise.(hint notice how deep the shots he's hitting are)
3. He's not missing that many!
4. His serve may be rushed, but they are still way harder, more controlled than your serve ever will be.
5. Even at his level... he can barely handle the k90 so go figure.



Ok back to the OP... this may seem harsh, but it is all business, nothing personal my friend. Every time you miss a shot, you should be thinking "man what did i do wrong?? why am i missing?" So on your serve, don't work on jumping yet or anything, just work on getting your upper body working in a smooth clean motion that you feel confident with. Now, all your serves are flying long, so obviously you should close the racket face a little... or snap your wrist down. also, are you using the right grip? make sure you're using continental. Your toss... you seem taking the ball way too low so you're "falling" onto the court. so there are 2 ways of fixing this... either hit the ball earlier or toss it higher. thats all for now.

ogruskie
08-15-2008, 11:13 PM
In my opinion, spending an hour with a coach will be much more invaluable than reading internet advice. Not to say that advice here is not credible, but there are many limitations as to what WE see from the tiny video box on YouTube. A coach will be there to scrutinize every part your technique and give you feedback right away.

Just my 2 cents.

Eph
08-15-2008, 11:15 PM
I do have a coach now (as I said in another thread, 5x a week), but I'm leaving in two days for a month and a half holiday in Europe and hope to play a bit while I in Europe.

coonio
08-16-2008, 12:53 AM
Eph
Got to give you props for your calm handling of people's rude posts.
I'd say you need to work to gain control of the small muscle portion of the serve (the wrist snap) and then work on the rest of the serve. Practice snapping up and into the ball using just the rotation of your forearm, then work on the body motion. You'll be surprised how little forward motion it takes to generate sufficient pace when you execute your wrist snap correctly.
Keep at it. It's obvious you want to improve and are willing to work at it, and that's more than half the battle.

Headshotterer
08-16-2008, 04:33 PM
i lol'd
so first, get the basic stroke down
then add footwork

Ian Stewart
08-16-2008, 04:57 PM
Best illustration is the first video at 1:30. The biggest fix you need to make is your contact point. You are collapsing down with the whole upper body as you hit; at such a low point of contact as someone previously pointed out with you letting the toss drop extremely low before striking.

Concentrate on hitting the ball earlier. Extend your arm fully up at the ball. Some other things which may help this would be to think about keeping your head, and left arm up much longer throughout the serve until you have hit it.

Good, thoughtful post TonLars. :) I've seen a few your videos. I enjoyed them very much. You are a fine player, no question about it. :)

Fintendo
08-16-2008, 05:04 PM
You go on about string setups like Luxilon and natural gut in the strings section and if im right you had your racket/gear customized by Roman Prokes?

What a joke...someone needs to tell you...your a complete beginner...quit messing around with heavy/small rackets like the K90...using expensive and hard to use strings and start playing tennis.

Its harsh...but its the truth. I havent seen a serve that needs that much work in a long time.

I think after watching your vids your serve needs alot of work and you might aswell chop off your left arm the amount you use it. Anyway OP I think definitely fall on your serve which probably doesn't help with it's consitency but I'm no coach I'm just a 16 year old junior so hey. P.S what are you looking to get out of tennis?

Ian Stewart
08-16-2008, 05:16 PM
To Eph.

First off thanks for posting the videos. I always enjoy seeing people playing our game. :)

For now I would just like to talk about how I start the service motion, to help you chunk down the whole service motion..

First, after I toss the ball (and the toss is always first), I coil my legs and visualise pushing my left hip (for a righty), in to the net. At the same time I am hunkering down to gain explosive power. I am afraid I see none of this in your videos.

Here is another thing. Your toss is too low. Ideally you want to hit the ball when the kinetic energy of the toss and the gravitational energy of the Earth are in rough equilibrium. In other words, the highest point you can reach with the ball neither ascending or descending.

For now, my immediate suggestion is to practice the toss. Draw a circle with chalk on the court and try to land the ball consistently in the circle. See how often you can do it. As you toss, visualise (1) reaching as high as you possibly can and (2) pushing your left hip in to the court.

Getting the toss right is critical to a good serve. Try that for starters.

And yeah, www.fuzzyyellowballs.com. Great resource and free as well.

Eph
08-16-2008, 05:36 PM
As for the OP, yes a coach is a good option, others can see what you don't see/feel.

I do have one as I moved back to Manhattan; I just enjoy getting others' opinions as well. I don't think there can ever be too much opinions - within reason (as there certainly are exceptions, eg. nickb).

Eph
08-16-2008, 05:40 PM
LOL...hi again....you seem to follow me around a lot....I will take it as a compliment.

Ask yourself this...

- Would the OP be BETTER OFF with a bigger racket?
- Would the OP be able to get rid of some arm pain (which he complained about in another thread) by dropping the Luxilon and small racket?
- Does the OP REALLY NEED his racket to be customized by the worlds best?

1) No - I'm happy with my racquet for several reasons.
2) The arm pain is due to a trauma and previous neurosurgeries on my neck (I have a neurotmesis in my R arm which needs to be surgically repaired when I return.) Has nothing to do with the racquet or string bed.
3) Why not? I can afford it. There's always little tweaks that can be done that make the racquet a bit better. He's a few blocks from my apt. and gives the best service - much better than Mason's for example.

Eph
08-16-2008, 05:44 PM
(ya ya money doesn't "buy" happiness, but I don't fully agree on that logic).
It doesn't but it makes life more fun. Like the other day when I was looking for a new car, the rep goes "When you have this amount of money, it's all about you and what you want. Prices don't matter."

Eph
08-16-2008, 05:51 PM
P.S what are you looking to get out of tennis?
To have fun, get better, and beat some of the former varsity players in my House at my alma mater at the 15th reunion. ;p 5th reunion would be fine, too, but I think I'll need more time. ;p

I have to get more fit, and that should come, once all the surgeries are over and I can work out on a consistent basis. With the regiment I have now, I'm very happy, but I travel a lot, so I have to find a way to incorporate it in my travels.

Satch
08-16-2008, 05:53 PM
nickb have a point here...

OP's game is near as good that something small even like racquet he use, not to mention the strings or something about the racquet setup will make his game better... there is a lot to practice before he needs to even think about it, he need to concetrate on his game and strokes, everything else is just a waste of time IMO.

Phil
08-16-2008, 10:13 PM
I haven't had a doughnut in years, nor do I eat a lot of junk food (maybe none, depending on your definition of "junk food"). I don't want this to turn into another weight thread, thanks.
"Another one"-you mean there's already been one or more? Anyway, sorry for making that assumption about the donuts...I mistakenly thought, for some reason, that you may eat some now and then. My bad.

Eph
08-16-2008, 10:15 PM
"Another one"-you mean there's already been one or more? Anyway, sorry for making that assumption about the donuts...I mistakenly thought, for some reason, that you may eat some now and then. My bad.

Yes, all my critique threads turn into "you're fat, exercise" and "get a different racquet".

Your implication was that I don't exercise nor care about my weight. I've had 5 knee surgeries in the past four years, a few neck surgeries hence why I am fat. There was a time when I was 7% body fat, but until I get back to 100% health, I won't be. And there's NOTHING I can do about it. Every time I lose weight, I gain it back after a surgery. And then some.

Phil
08-16-2008, 11:07 PM
Yes, all my critique threads turn into "you're fat, exercise" and "get a different racquet".

Your implication was that I don't exercise nor care about my weight. I've had 5 knee surgeries in the past four years, a few neck surgeries hence why I am fat. There was a time when I was 7% body fat, but until I get back to 100% health, I won't be. And there's NOTHING I can do about it. Every time I lose weight, I gain it back after a surgery. And then some.
Well, I didn't know all that. But...you seem to be in a Catch-22 situation. You can't take off the weight due to your condition, but...the stress the weight puts on your knee may lead to further injury. I don't want to derail your thread so I'll only say, don't even walk on a tennis court until you can take the weight off. I know this from my own knee problem.

Eph
08-16-2008, 11:12 PM
My surgeon cleared me. After I go skiing in two weeks at Zermatt and get back in October, we'll decide whether to do another knee surgery (I have a torn ACL from a previous revision and a stretch LCL at the moment).

I've been listening to doctors for years, and all it has done is brought my health (both physical and mental) to an all time low. Now I'm getting back into my old habits and am feeling much better about myself, and am losing some weight in the interim.

I don't mind talking about the weight issue in this sense; I mind being berated with fat joke comments when people have no idea the crap I've gone through in the past ~6 years ever since my first skiing accident.

I do listen to my body, and try to take it easy; but I always ask myself "when is it the quitting point?" and there really isn't an answer. It's hard to say; sometimes I am tired and just don't feel like going, but do I have more in me? Maybe. I tend to push limits; I know, but it's better than sitting on a couch, depressed, and sleeping the day away.

Phil
08-16-2008, 11:39 PM
My surgeon cleared me. After I go skiing in two weeks at Zermatt and get back in October, we'll decide whether to do another knee surgery (I have a torn ACL from a previous revision and a stretch LCL at the moment).

I've been listening to doctors for years, and all it has done is brought my health (both physical and mental) to an all time low. Now I'm getting back into my old habits and am feeling much better about myself, and am losing some weight in the interim.

I don't mind talking about the weight issue in this sense; I mind being berated with fat joke comments when people have no idea the crap I've gone through in the past ~6 years ever since my first skiing accident.

I do listen to my body, and try to take it easy; but I always ask myself "when is it the quitting point?" and there really isn't an answer. It's hard to say; sometimes I am tired and just don't feel like going, but do I have more in me? Maybe. I tend to push limits; I know, but it's better than sitting on a couch, depressed, and sleeping the day away.
You're going skiing and playing tennis on surgically-repaired knees that, as you said, may need more surgury...so the question you have to ask yourself is: do I want to spend the rest of my life, and especially in old age, in constant pain and risk the possibility of totally losing mobility (i.e. the simple, everyday ability to do things for yourself that require some walking)?

If you can go skiing or play tennis, then you can ride a stationery bike in the gym, and hence, lose the weight. I had a knee injury last summer that kept me off the courts for three months. It was an excruciating decision to quit playing...I can't go for even a week without playing before I get tennis withdrawal. But the time spent on the stationery bike and the results of rehab made it worth it. I can play now, though not on hard courts. I think you'll do okay if you consider all your options...you won't have to stay on the couch. Talk to a PT-though I'm sure you already have...

Seany
08-17-2008, 01:46 AM
Use a smaller racket, your game is not up to the right standard to be using a 90 sq inch head, or you can keep tricking yourself into believing that "it's the right racket for you."

Seany
08-17-2008, 01:47 AM
Larger racket even *just woke up firgive me lol*

nickb
08-17-2008, 07:30 AM
I think after watching your vids your serve needs alot of work and you might aswell chop off your left arm the amount you use it. Anyway OP I think definitely fall on your serve which probably doesn't help with it's consitency but I'm no coach I'm just a 16 year old junior so hey. P.S what are you looking to get out of tennis?

I have changed my serve. Still my old serve still had more pace/spin/consistency than the OP will ever have.

nickb
08-17-2008, 07:33 AM
1) No - I'm happy with my racquet for several reasons.
2) The arm pain is due to a trauma and previous neurosurgeries on my neck (I have a neurotmesis in my R arm which needs to be surgically repaired when I return.) Has nothing to do with the racquet or string bed.
3) Why not? I can afford it. There's always little tweaks that can be done that make the racquet a bit better. He's a few blocks from my apt. and gives the best service - much better than Mason's for example.

- Have fun then...even Roger is having trouble winning with the K90...im sure you will be fine :shock:
- Right...sure it did. Thats why you made a thread about luxilon giving you arm pain right> :oops:
- If I lived next door to him I wouldnt go near him....I dont need bits of lead tape to "improve" my game.

nickb
08-17-2008, 07:34 AM
nickb have a point here...

OP's game is near as good that something small even like racquet he use, not to mention the strings or something about the racquet setup will make his game better... there is a lot to practice before he needs to even think about it, he need to concetrate on his game and strokes, everything else is just a waste of time IMO.

Thank you. Someone has to say it. Yes it sounds harsh but its TRUE.

es-0
08-17-2008, 08:10 AM
Man, all the brits amass in force. Quite intimidating, I think both parties are a bit out of line, but I would have to side with NickB.

What he's saying does make sense. When I first started out I was playing with racquets that were below 90 in (barely, but still below that). They felt nice to hit with and are perfectly fine, but I couldn't get enough power or time the ball well enough the play competitively with them. I moved up about 10 in to a 98 in frame and am very happy. I'd be happy if I could play well with a K90 but I haven't hit with one and doubt I could.

I can't suggest anything for Eph's serve as he has taken down the videos (most likely to the endless flaming of this thread) but I can confidently say that NickB is at a level high enough to be giving him advice.

And, I think NickB has undoubtedly the coolest toss in the world (unless he has changed it, then it would be had).

10nistennis
08-17-2008, 08:36 AM
Hmm, I have to side with nick on this one here, and other people that are giving you the RIGHT advice. Don't rely on your equipment, you have to rely on YOUR STROKES AND TECHNIQUE. Getting a customed racquet is not going to make you a better player. Does it look good on paper? Yes, it does, but it doesn't show that you're a good player just because you have your racquet done by Roman. A 6 year old could go to Roman and get his racquet customized, but will it make him into a top ranked junior? I doubt it. Will practicing hard and condition make him into a top ranked junior? It is probable.
What I'm meaning here Eph, is that you don't need all these fancy equipment. Yes you could afford them, but i feel that you're wasting your money on it. Get your tennis game better, not just your racquet. If you gave me your racquet that was customized for you, I would most definitely serve way better than you. I'm not meaning that as an insult, I'm proving that just because you have great stuff, doesn't mean you'll ever be a good player. Do I think that you will be a good player in the future? It's likely, with practice. You have always said there a re several reasons why you use the K90, but never gave it to us. Please share those reasons. I hope you recover from your surgeries, and get better.

~~~~~~~

nickb
08-17-2008, 08:46 AM
Man, all the brits amass in force. Quite intimidating, I think both parties are a bit out of line, but I would have to side with NickB.

What he's saying does make sense. When I first started out I was playing with racquets that were below 90 in (barely, but still below that). They felt nice to hit with and are perfectly fine, but I couldn't get enough power or time the ball well enough the play competitively with them. I moved up about 10 in to a 98 in frame and am very happy. I'd be happy if I could play well with a K90 but I haven't hit with one and doubt I could.

I can't suggest anything for Eph's serve as he has taken down the videos (most likely to the endless flaming of this thread) but I can confidently say that NickB is at a level high enough to be giving him advice.

And, I think NickB has undoubtedly the coolest toss in the world (unless he has changed it, then it would be had).

Not really...what 4 of us? :)

I have changed the ball toss...so its had :cry:

Nick

es-0
08-17-2008, 08:53 AM
Not really...what 4 of us? :)

I have changed the ball toss...so its had :cry:

Nick

Awww... no more crazy toss. Where is the fun in that, now your serve is lacking the pizazz it once had. That I'm sure.

It seemed like there was more than four, but still, quite intimidating. :)

Purostaff
08-17-2008, 01:36 PM
vid not wurking

Rickson
08-17-2008, 04:20 PM
All I can say about your serve is that it's non existent.

justsomeguy
08-19-2008, 05:08 AM
I don't want to turn this into a choice-of-racquet-thread either. I've made my decision for several reasons and none have to do with it being the racquet Fed uses.

Any racquets that perform as well, or better than the K61 90 tour?

Looking for a change, maybe. I have a lot of power behind my swing, I favour control and the ability to put a lot of spin over power (since I can do that myself). I'm not much into customizing racquets - as I wouldn't know what to tell a shop to do. The reason I picked the K61 90 tour in the first place is because Federer uses it and I like the small head size...

So which is it? Not that it really matters.

If you keep practicing that serve one thing will happen. Your timing will improve and your bad serve will become more consistent. Then you will have a bad serve that goes in the box more often. Is this your goal?

I have seen all your vids. The only thing that has improved is that you are learning to time that awful serve better. Do you see that? The serve isn't really much different. You have all the same problems and hitches.

If you want to have a good serve, you may need to admit you could be wrong. Maybe it's the racquet. Maybe it's your instruction. Maybe it's a matter of athleticism.

All I know is that what you have accomplished is to really ingrain some bad habits into your serve. Spend less time hitting baskets of serves and more time with the pro. There is no point in doing something fundamentally wrong 1000s and 1000s of times.

Eph
08-19-2008, 10:56 AM
As I've explained before (and since 5 pages of this thread was deleted) I'm not getting far into it, I use it because I like to use the best equipment possible. I've given analogies before; you may not agree with it, but that's that.

baek57
08-19-2008, 01:46 PM
dont listen to all these people giving you flak about your racquet choice. yes, there easier racquets to use. no, the racquet will not make you play better. use whatever you like and are comfortable with.

Satch
08-19-2008, 05:03 PM
As I've explained before (and since 5 pages of this thread was deleted) I'm not getting far into it, I use it because I like to use the best equipment possible. I've given analogies before; you may not agree with it, but that's that.

Haha and what describes k90 the best equipment available? Best in what way? Is it because best player “use” it, or because it best suit your game?
you see this comment and a lot of other of your comments are just perfect for making a fun of you...

martin8768
08-19-2008, 05:12 PM
Haha and what describes k90 the best equipment available? Best in what way? Is it because best player “use” it, or because it best suit your game?
you see this comment and a lot of other of your comments are just perfect for making a fun of you...

i agree, if you want to stop people from bashing you your going to have to think about what you say, because right now you look like a big tool, using a k90 because it is the "best" equipment available is not a good answer at all. it just shows us that you know absolutely nothing about rackets and the PROPER selection of a racket that suits your own level and playing style, so just stop all this ego and admit that the racket you are using does not suit your level of play and style and we can move on to giving you tips on improving your serve

if not then nobody in this forum will be able to get past it and take you seriously

TropicThunder
08-19-2008, 05:33 PM
Awww... no more crazy toss. Where is the fun in that, now your serve is lacking the pizazz it once had. That I'm sure.

It seemed like there was more than four, but still, quite intimidating. :)

hey, where can I see a video of nickb serving? I just saw the one with him hitting groundstrokes. BTW, is he the little skinny guy second from left to right in that picture on his website?

NickC
08-19-2008, 05:42 PM
To the OP: please do these two things:

~Post those videos again, I'd like to view them, as this is the point of the entire thread, no?

~With regards to the post where you oh-so-slyly flaunt your wealth: SHUT UP. You've been acting like you're a class above all the other posters because you use "the best equipment possible" and when you are out car shoppong "when you have this kind of money, it's all about what YOU want". That's not going to go down well with some people who you are asking to help you out. (If you're going to respond with a comment like "I'm not flaunting my wealth", don't even try. I'm from Greenwich, Conneticut. I've lived there for 11 years, and I know EXACTLY when someone is acting high-and-mighty due to their wealth.) Honestly, if you're asking for help, be modest and thankful, if you act like some kind of god you're only asking for people to nitpick each and every single hitch in your service motion and tell you that you suck at tennis, and while the first part of that is good in retrospect, you're probably not going to get the desired response.

And as the poster two spots above me said, stop contradicting yourself, it makes you look stupid.

NickC
08-19-2008, 05:46 PM
And the k90 is NOT the best piece of equipment, by the way. Last time I checked, the #1 Player in the world in the mens or the womens isn't using it, nor is the #3, 4 or even the rest of the top 100 in the world on the men's tour. Only Rodger. And if it was seriously that good, EVERYONE would use one.

ramseszerg
08-19-2008, 05:50 PM
IMO there is no "best" frame out there. There are different frames, but not the best. Roman Prokes also said in his interview that all the companies make great racquets. So it comes down to playing level, fitness/strength and personal taste.

TropicThunder
08-19-2008, 05:51 PM
And the k90 is NOT the best piece of equipment, by the way. Last time I checked, the #1 Player in the world in the mens or the womens isn't using it, nor is the #3, 4 or even the rest of the top 100 in the world on the men's tour. Only Rodger. And if it was seriously that good, EVERYONE would use one.

Or, hasn't it occured to you that maybe the rest of the players have some pride or ego, and that they won't accept to use what the best player is using, that they want to win with their own equipment, not copy the rest? Same goes for playing style

ramseszerg
08-19-2008, 05:57 PM
Or, hasn't it occured to you that maybe the rest of the players have some pride or ego, and that they won't accept to use what the best player is using, that they want to win with their own equipment, not copy the rest? Same goes for playing style

This is either poorly executed sarcasm or the most absurd most I've read in a long time..

Props to Nadal then, for sticking to his Babolat and his Western forehand to work his way up to #1 when he could've easily just used K90 to play just like Federer.

NickC
08-19-2008, 06:16 PM
Oh, the best player right now isn't Federer, your comment is invalid.

Oh by the way, isn't imatation the highest form of flattery?

Just a thought...

Satch
08-19-2008, 06:24 PM
Oh, the best player right now isn't Federer, your comment is invalid.

Oh by the way, isn't imatation the highest form of flattery?

Just a thought...

in this particular moment no, but he is the best player on tour right now if we look at the whole picture...

TropicThunder
08-19-2008, 06:42 PM
This is either poorly executed sarcasm or the most absurd most I've read in a long time..

Props to Nadal then, for sticking to his Babolat and his Western forehand to work his way up to #1 when he could've easily just used K90 to play just like Federer.

You didn't get what I meant, forget it.

Oh, the best player right now isn't Federer, your comment is invalid.

Oh by the way, isn't imatation the highest form of flattery?

Just a thought...

He isn't the best at the moment, but you can't deny he's the best of all time

[osu]ilovecows
08-19-2008, 06:55 PM
Eph, I've come to a conclusion -- you're hopeless. Those injuries you have? They'll keep getting worse if you don't listen to what the posters here are telling you. THERE'S A REASON WHY EVERYBODY IS SAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

If you truly want a better serve, consult a pro, because obviously the only way you'll listen is if you pay for it. Honestly, I'm disgusted by your shallow approach to life. But hey, your money right?

justsomeguy
08-20-2008, 04:41 AM
As I've explained before (and since 5 pages of this thread was deleted) I'm not getting far into it, I use it because I like to use the best equipment possible. I've given analogies before; you may not agree with it, but that's that.

Fair enough. It isn't the racquet, anyway. You could be out there with a big ol' feather weight Prince and your motion will still be the same. I just don't much care for liars.

If you have actually spent time with a pro, you either aren't doing as instructed or need a different teacher. It's hard to believe that your progress is this stagnant with professional instruction.

Go back and reread your other serve threads. All the advice in those still applies. Your new video has all the same problems as your old video. All the tips will be the same.

Good luck to you.

mdrew9
09-01-2008, 04:15 PM
As I've explained before (and since 5 pages of this thread was deleted) I'm not getting far into it, I use it because I like to use the best equipment possible. I've given analogies before; you may not agree with it, but that's that.

There is a difference between using the best equipment possible and using the best equipment but something made for your level. If your using a racquet that is way to advanced for your abilities (which it seems from your videos) then its just hurting you. These racquet companies make great lines, just not just one great racquet. So maybe you should look for a high quality racquet for a 2.0-3.0 player.